Would you like to share with us?

[norbie]

Orthodox Catholic in the English Style

The above statement is from Paladin as we all know. But I realy would like to know what is behind, for example Orthodox Catholic in English style? What do you believe different from the main stream Anglican? Do you share the Eucharist every week and so on.
We have many different congretations in our STR so it would be nice to know each other - we would then also understand the posting from that person more easy.

[karen freeinchristman]

Orthodox Catholic in the English Style

The above statement is from Paladin as we all know. But I realy would like to know what is behind, for example Orthodox Catholic in English style? What do you believe different from the main stream Anglican? Do you share the Eucharist every week and so on.
We have many different congretations in our STR so it would be nice to know each other - we would then also understand the posting from that person more easy.
Norbie, are you asking for a response from PaladinValer only? Or are you asking for others to respond with what their self-identification is?

[PaladinValer]

Orthodox Catholic in the English Style.

English Style=Anglican
Orthodox=Right Believing
Catholic=The Complete, Ancient Faith, in its Fullness

[karen freeinchristman]

Orthodox Catholic in the English Style.

English Style=Anglican
Orthodox=Right Believing
Catholic=The Complete, Ancient Faith, in its Fullness
So you see, Norbie, that it is about the true definitions of these words, as PV has shown above, and not about the way that those words have been defined by the denominations that are called by that name.

[PaladinValer]

Well, the whole thing means "Anglican," not just the "in the English Style."

We Anglicans (and Old Catholics too!) are a branch of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. We got it all.

[karen freeinchristman]

We Anglicans (and Old Catholics too!) are a branch of the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. We got it all.
:amen:

[norbie]

Norbie, are you asking for a response from PaladinValer only? Or are you asking for others to respond with what their self-identification is?
I would be happy if we all can share for more better understanding each other.

[norbie]

So what is 'Old Catholics'? Are they Catholics by heart but for example don't accept the Pope?

[norbie]

So you see, Norbie, that it is about the true definitions of these words, as PV has shown above, and not about the way that those words have been defined by the denominations that are called by that name.
so this would mean we are all 'Orthodox Catholics', English style or even Australian Style?

[Albion]

so this would mean we are all 'Orthodox Catholics', English style or even Australian Style?

I myself am an Anglican, which says it all quite well just like that.

Hyphenated Anglicans and modified Anglicans (by their own choice) have always seemed to me to be Anglicans trying to find themselves.

[AngCath]

Hyphenated Anglicans and modified Anglicans (by their own choice) have always seemed to me to be Anglicans trying to find themselves

I presume that you are referring to people such as myself who identify themselves as an Anglo-Catholic (etc.) and I would like to assure you that it is quite the opposite and am quite sure of the Faith to which I adhere.

[norbie]

Could you tell us please why you are an Anglo-Cath.? Do you celebrate mass, but don't accept the Pope? Or what's the difference?
This is a very interesting thread I hope some more people could tell us about their believe under the big Anglican umbrella.

[PaladinValer]

If you understand Anglo-Catholicism, you understand Anglicanism.

[AngCath]

I am a Catholic because I recognize 7 Sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, Unction, Reconciliation, Ordination, and Eucharist), I recognize the 3 orders of ordained ministry (bishop, priest, and deacon), I read a Bible with the complete Canon (including Tobit, Sirach, etc.) and read it through the eyes of Sacred Tradition, I pray the Divine Office and attend Mass as often as I can, I ask the saints (on earth and in heaven) for intercession...and so on...

I am an Anglican rather than Roman Catholic because my theology is not Aristotelean in nature, I do not believe in Papal infallability, I prefer the language of the Book of Common Prayer to the Novus Ordo, because I received the Catholic faith from my family who are English with a long history in the Church of England and her daughter Churches (whereas my wife, being Hispanic, grew up in the Roman branch of the Church)...and so on...

I would be happy to expand upon any of this.

[Albion]

I presume that you are referring to people such as myself who identify themselves as an Anglo-Catholic (etc.) and I would like to assure you that it is quite the opposite and am quite sure of the Faith to which I adhere.

I have no desire to offend anyone; what I wrote was just my longstanding and considered feeling on the matter, given because the issue was raised. This is not to deny that, on occasion, we all are called upon to describe the qualities of our faith with words like catholic, reformed, high church, low church, etc.

[Wigglesworth]

so this would mean we are all 'Orthodox Catholics', English style or even Australian Style?

Polish style here.

We can't all be orthodox, because we do not all agree on doctrines - unless Christian belief is a multiple choice test with no wrong answers.

Peace be with you.

:crossrc:

[norbie]

I am a Catholic because I recognize 7 Sacraments (Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, Unction, Reconciliation, Ordination, and Eucharist), I recognize the 3 orders of ordained ministry (bishop, priest, and deacon), I read a Bible with the complete Canon (including Tobit, Sirach, etc.) and read it through the eyes of Sacred Tradition, I pray the Divine Office and attend Mass as often as I can, I ask the saints (on earth and in heaven) for intercession...and so on...

I am an Anglican rather than Roman Catholic because my theology is not Aristotelean in nature, I do not believe in Papal infallability, I prefer the language of the Book of Common Prayer to the Novus Ordo, because I received the Catholic faith from my family who are English with a long history in the Church of England and her daughter Churches (whereas my wife, being Hispanic, grew up in the Roman branch of the Church)...and so on...

I would be happy to expand upon any of this.
Thank you for your great response. I am realy interested in it because of very simmilar facts here except the opposite: my wife non catholic and I am catholic abringing.
But now I need a little more help.
Unction, - I was brought up in the r.k. German language so please what is Unction?
Aristotelean what you mean by this?
Of course I understand your wife believe very much, Spanien was always a very r.k. country like Austria. Even the Cursillo movement which is now all over the world comes from Spanien. And you ask your dear wife what Ultreya means - it's one of the most important word in the Church.
Thanks for sharing

[PaladinValer]

The Sacrament of Holy Unction, sometimes called the Sacrament of the Sick or Anointing, is the sacrament given to those who are infirm either physically or spiritually.

When a person is nigh death, it then becomes known as Extreme Unction and is expanded to include additional rubrics and the administration of the Sacrament of Holy Confession and Absolution as well as Holy Communion.

[AngCath]

Ultreya means "persevere" and is what the Cursillo movement calls the larger gathering of reunion groups.

By Aristotelean, I mean that Roman Catholic theology is grounded (particularly because of the Scholastics) on the Greek philosophy of Aristotle. Two examples of this is the definition of the Real Presence as Transsubstantiation[ in which the substance of the bread and wine are changed (into the Body and Blood) while the accidents (the outward appearance) stays the same] and the use of the teleological argument against birth control [the telos (purpose) of sex is procreation, therefore any intentional interruption of that purpose violates natural law...].

[PaladinValer]

As a good Anglican, I think a middle ground much be reached between Scholasticism and Nominalism.

Just as Scholasticism can be nitpicky at its extreme, Nominalism can be too lazze-faire at its extreme.

[AngCath]

As a good Anglican, I think a middle ground much be reached between Scholasticism and Nominalism

I concur.

[norbie]

Thank you so much all for sharing, I did know about this Holy Sacrament, but I did not know the English for it. Thanks.

[Colabomb]

If you understand Anglo-Catholicism, you understand Anglicanism.

Boo.

[PaladinValer]

Boo.

No, logic.

It is all about the lowest common denominator. Evangelicalism is much more narrow than Anglo-Catholicism. Since Anglicanism adheres to Apostolic doctrine and fully allows, with blessing, devotions and disciplines that we share with the EOs and VCs, then Anglo-Catholicism is the benchmark.