Dissident Adventist receives supernatural revelation

[Bourbaki]

Dissident Adventist receives supernatural revelation. Top Adventist scholars reject the new light on Scripture because it is too Adventist.

Exhibit 1

The Adventist scholar Raymond Cottrell had no problem recognizing how intensely Biblical and Adventist my interpretation of Daniel and Revelation is. I've had many long discussions with Cottrell in the early 1980s at both Loma Linda University and in his home. Cottrell said that my view is amazingly consistent. He had no Biblical objections against it because of its internal consistency but he rejected it because he presupposed that I was biased. For Cottrell, it all boiled down to this. He accused me of trying to prove the traditional view. That was his rebuttal. That's the only argument he had. His accusation is nonsense because my view came by revelation at a very inconvenient time. It was the Friday just before finals week at the end of my first year at the University of Calif., San Diego. I was a student of mathematics. I should have been studying for finals. There was absolutely no outside influence to motivate me to study Daniel and Revelation at that juncture. I was a typically stupid Adventist at that time. Then at 1 A.M. on Sabbath morning and for every conscious moment after that for three solid weeks, other than going to school to take my final exams, I was supernaturally driven to study the book of Daniel and was in a constant state of being continually overwhelmed by revelation. At the end of it I was a Bible scholar that had all of Daniel and Revelation figured out. I can not be accused of bias. For those who understand my notes (http://www.everythingimportant.org/eschatology) I think it's obvious that the conclusions I came to were given to me by God. Even the connection between Daniel and Revelation is without bias. I remember that when I had finished studying Daniel and having a complete understanding of it, I then turned to Revelation. In so doing I remember the trepidation I felt, literally trembling at the thought that God was guiding me and I had no idea what I would find. It quickly came to my mind, having read the book of Revelation before, that I couldn't even remember what the seven seals and seven trumpets were about. I couldn't remember anything about those sections. As I said previously, I was a typically stupid Adventist at the time. I had no idea or even a recollection of what Adventists thought it meant. As I tried to remember, nothing came to mind from talks or sermons that I might have heard or from Adventist books that I had read. Within seconds of opening the book, I knew instantly by revelation that the predominant structure of the book of Revelation concerns multiple scenarios (http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=987). I was in complete awe and totally amazed by the revelation. As I skimmed though the book, the revelation was confirmed. It was all there. It was so obvious.Source: Who Am I? (http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=34)

[RC_NewProtestants]

And who is the I, why not post something that says something instead of a section from some website.

Personally I don't believe much of anything you say but that's just me. Do you have some letters or something from Cottrell, something to back up your statements? I hope you are posting on the Traditional Sub forum because that is really where someone like you should be spreading your supposed God given inspiration.

[Bourbaki]

1. My Daniel commentary alone is 100 pages. I don't think the owners would be pleased if I were to copy it all here.

2. Exhibit 1 says a lot. Yes, I have letters from Cottrell and Dr. Desmond Ford on this topic.

3. I am a dissident Adventist so I believe that my posts belong here.

[tall73]

Everyone is welcome in the progressive section.


And I have posted 37 pages at a shot.

I have seen no rule against 100.

Feel free as far as I am concerned. But note that you have a character limit unless you become a donor.

You can either spread it out over several posts or become a donor and put it all in one.

[tall73]

I should note that I may in fact read it as I am in the market for an internally consistent view at this point.

[Sophia7]

I should note that I may in fact read it as I am in the market for an internally consistent view at this point.

His "revelation" could be internally consistent yet still wrong if it contradicts the Bible.

[JonMiller]

There are differences between internally consistent, complete, and not contradictory.

JM

[tall73]

Agree. But I have not found one that passed all the tests. So bring it on.

[woobadooba]

Dissident Adventist receives supernatural revelation. Top Adventist scholars reject the new light on Scripture because it is too Adventist.

Exhibit 1

Source: Who Am I? (http://www.everythingimportant.org/viewtopic.php?t=34)

Ha!

You are the same guy that threw me into your virtual hell because I tried to open someone's eyes to the true meaning of a simple passage.

[StormyOne]

Ha!

You are the same guy that threw me into your virtual hell because I tried to open someone's eyes to the true meaning of a simple passage.
I got thrown in Jail at his place.... seems like we all got banished to somewhere in his maze of categories......lol

[woobadooba]

I got thrown in Jail at his place.... seems like we all got banished to somewhere in his maze of categories......lol

Hey, at least you got thrown into jail. I got thrown into the bottomless pit where the supposed demons roam;) I can't remember if this happened on my first day or second day, but it was quick.

Eugene has a great way of making friends doesn't he!

[tall73]

The higher forums are only for stating things in line with Eugene's ministry. But he still does let you say it somewhere else.

Therefore I suppose it is not censorship, but he does keep things pretty well sorted out.

Incidentally I had a three pip rating and could roam about, but one of my threads was moved when I didn't agree with Eugene on prophetic interpretation.

[JonMiller]

This sounds like a fun game, please link? Do you get special attacks/defenses?

JM

[woobadooba]

This sounds like a fun game, please link? Do you get special attacks/defenses?

JM

All you have to do is disagree with Eugene and 'Game Over'!

[StormyOne]

This sounds like a fun game, please link? Do you get special attacks/defenses?

JM
http://www.everythingimportant.org/

have fun....

[Bourbaki]

The higher forums are only for stating things in line with Eugene's ministry. But he still does let you say it somewhere else.

Therefore I suppose it is not censorship, but he does keep things pretty well sorted out.

Incidentally I had a three pip rating and could roam about, but one of my threads was moved when I didn't agree with Eugene on prophetic interpretation.

tall73,

Your post was moved because debating is not allowed in the higher forums. It's a rule that comes from the Spirit of prophecy in the context of how Sabbath Schools should be conducted. But you rank very high over there (http://www.everythingimportant.org/) so if you want to challenge me, you are free to post on Mars Hill.

The jail forum is defined by the aberrational posts that are found there. It's the perfect place for all those who are incapable of respectable dialogue and those who refuse to follow forum rules.

Here's a friendly reminder of forum netiquette, which is being violated in this thread:

"Defamation is not allowed. Defamation is an attempt to damage the reputation of a person or persons by slander or libel."

"Flaming is defined as the posting of inflammatory or unsubstantiated accusations or the use of rude, hurtful, insulting, or belittling language."

"Sharing of information about one's beliefs, for instance by quoting Bible verses or witnessing, is encouraged."

"Thread hijacking, off-topic posting, and derailment are forbidden."

[StormyOne]

tall73,

Your post was moved because debating is not allowed in the higher forums. It's a rule that comes from the Spirit of prophecy in the context of how Sabbath Schools should be conducted. But you rank very high over there (http://www.everythingimportant.org/) so if you want to challenge me, you are free to post on Mars Hill.

The jail forum is defined by the aberrational posts that are found there. It's the perfect place for all those who are incapable of respectable dialogue and those who refuse to follow forum rules.

Here's a friendly reminder of forum netiquette, which is being violated in this thread:

"Defamation is not allowed. Defamation is an attempt to damage the reputation of a person or persons by slander or libel."

"Flaming is defined as the posting of inflammatory or unsubstantiated accusations or the use of rude, hurtful, insulting, or belittling language."

"Sharing of information about one's beliefs, for instance by quoting Bible verses or witnessing, is encouraged."

"Thread hijacking, off-topic posting, and derailment are forbidden."
if you are here, who is keeping order over there?

[woobadooba]

[QUOTE] "Defamation is not allowed. Defamation is an attempt to damage the reputation of a person or persons by slander or libel."

Can you prove that any one of us has intentionally said something false about you to your hurt?

"Flaming is defined as the posting of inflammatory or unsubstantiated accusations or the use of rude, hurtful, insulting, or belittling language."

We merely spoke the truth about our experience in your forum. How is that flaming?


"Thread hijacking, off-topic posting, and derailment are forbidden."

You came in here to talk about yourself. We are telling you what we think about you. So how are we off topic?

[Bourbaki]

We merely spoke the truth about our experience in your forum. How is that flaming?

You insinuate that you are qualified to be a member of the high mountain and heavenly forums. That's not true. You then insinuate that you don't belong in the bottomless pit. That's also false. The bottomless pit is precisely for those who ruin threads, like you are doing here.

[StormyOne]

You insinuate that you are qualified to be a member of the high mountain and heavenly forums. That's not true. You then insinuate that you don't belong in the bottomless pit. That's also false. The bottomless pit is precisely for those who ruin threads, like you are doing here.
then it is indeed a blessing that you are not in control here.... otherwise we would not get the opportunity to tell you how much we disagree with your ideas, thoughts, and pet theories....

[woobadooba]

You insinuate that you are qualified to be a member of the high mountain and heavenly forums. That's not true. You then insinuate that you don't belong in the bottomless pit. That's also false. The bottomless pit is precisely for those who ruin threads, like you are doing here.

Here you won't get away with the Pharisaical nonsense that you do in your forum. Try that here and you will find yourself getting booted out!

[Bourbaki]

“ ‘He that is not with Me is against Me,’ Christ declares, ‘and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad.’ God has given to every man his work. He expects every follower of His to exert an influence that will tell for the upbuilding of His kingdom. He who is not actively engaged in promoting love and unity and equity is exerting an influence that is opposed to Christ.” SpTB02, 44.

[woobadooba]

“ ‘He that is not with Me is against Me,’ Christ declares, ‘and he that gathereth not with Me scattereth abroad.’ God has given to every man his work. He expects every follower of His to exert an influence that will tell for the upbuilding of His kingdom. He who is not actively engaged in promoting love and unity and equity is exerting an influence that is opposed to Christ.” SpTB02, 44.

Are you doing these things in your virtual world?

[Bourbaki]

There are many among us who are prejudiced against the doctrines that are now being discussed. They will not come to hear, they will not calmly investigate, but they put forth their objections in the dark. They are perfectly satisfied with their position. "Thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Revelation 3:17-19).

This scripture applies to those who live under the sound of the message, but who will not come to hear it. —Ellen G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, pp. 413-414.