Change Forum Name?

[Tamara224]

I am making this poll in response to this thread:
http://foru.ms/t5708262-new-forum-name-leave-it-or-change-it.html

There has been much discussion on whether or not we should change our forum name.

Therefore, this poll will hopefully settle that question.

If you believe we need a new name, vote Yes.
If you believe we should keep our current name, vote No.

This poll will be open for two weeks.

[JAS4Yeshua]

Thanks for starting this poll, Tamara. I know not everyone will agree on this subject, but I just want to offer my opinion (as a member, nothing more). In my opinion, this forum name can appear to be prejudicial, even though we know that isn't the intent. I am against prejudice and even the appearance of prejudice. That is totally contrary to the will of Christ. I hoping we can avoid appearance of evil, and conduct ourselves in a manner worthy of the Gospel of Christ. Will that apply to everyone? It isn't my place to say. That is between the individual and the Holy Spirit.

We should make a stand in exactly what we believe, not in what we don't believe. There are many ways we can name this forum, make it clear where we stand, without offending (intentionally or unintentionally).

[Tamara224]

I understand your position on this J. I think we've thoroughly hashed and rehashed this out in the other thread.

This thread is just to get a vote and a final decision of the members.

If anyone is interested in reading the discussion and getting the reasons why several people (including myself) do not believe that the current name is prejudicial and the reasons why it shouldn't be changed... please check out the link provided in the OP.

[jeolmstead]

I voted No, leave it like it is.

It has not been our goal to offend anyone. The only “offended” people I’m aware of are the folks who “drop by” to do a “drive by”

They drop in to tell us how offensive we are and leave. Yes, frankly I believe there is something wrong with WOF doctrine. I do not wish to debate them. (I have to no avail) I do not wish to change their minds. They have their own site, they are free to it, I stay off of it.

The people who come here are looking for answers from a non WOF perspective. (That’s why they look in here)


John O.

[didaskalos]

I have changed my mind.
Leave it the same.
It is accurate.
If that is what you are all about... then leave it as is. No need to hide your true colors.

[JimfromOhio]

I have changed my mind.
Leave it the same.
It is accurate.
If that is what you are all about... then leave it as is. No need to hide your true colors.

Some people reveal their true colors more than others. ;)

[JAS4Yeshua]

Dids, please give it a rest.

[jeolmstead]

I find it odd that there are 13 votes, who is voting? Do we have 13 people who call this place home?

John O.

[JAS4Yeshua]

Actually, I think the real count is 11. One person is new (forrestcup) and one person isn't even a member of this forum (Dids).

Current vote is 5 yes, 6 no (despite the 6/7 displayed ;))

[JAS4Yeshua]

Oh, John, click on a number to see who is voting.

[Redheadedstepchild]

I'm for changing it. I think it's better to define ourselves by what we are rather than what we are not.

[JAS4Yeshua]

So far we're still 50/50. If this doesn't pass, then I won't bring it up again for a while. At least not before the end of the year. ;)

[geetrue]

I'm for changing it. I think it's better to define ourselves by what we are rather than what we are not.

Agreed ...

So far we're still 50/50. If this doesn't pass, then I won't bring it up again for a while. At least not before the end of the year. ;)

Plus the end of the year is not that far away and that's when a whole lot of things are going to happen around here with other polls ...
misewell wait. We will have a stronger data base by then anyway.

Hopefully a little holiday cheer will clear the air ... ;)

[JK]

I voted No, leave it like it is.

It has not been our goal to offend anyone. The only “offended” people I’m aware of are the folks who “drop by” to do a “drive by”

They drop in to tell us how offensive we are and leave. Yes, frankly I believe there is something wrong with WOF doctrine. I do not wish to debate them. (I have to no avail) I do not wish to change their minds. They have their own site, they are free to it, I stay off of it.

The people who come here are looking for answers from a non WOF perspective. (That’s why they look in here)


John O.

i agree

[cyberlizard]

i would like to see a name change and a philosphy change as well.

What do I mean... i think it should be open to any that believe in the gifts of the Spirit.

I do not think it should be like pentecostal forum with there rigid demand on initial evidence. Nor do I think it should demand adherence to the nicene creed... I say this because many Messianic Jews believe in the 'trinity' but despise the word and so would not class themselves as trinitarians (plus the fact the word is not found in scripture).

So what would I name the forum 'Open Charismatic - for those following the Spirit'. or something twee like that

[JAS4Yeshua]

What you are suggesting is exactly what the main forum is. This purpose of this subforum is for what we agree on, without having to defend those beliefs from those who don't agree (this applies to many who follow Word of Faith teachings).

[zaksmummy]

I think you should call it "no name it and claim it brigade allowed" forum:D

But Im sure this will offend even more.

Its fine as it is. Other peoples offence is their offence, they have to take responsibility for it. They have their own forum to gripe on, this forum was set up to give the rest of us some space, and a place to get away from the distain of others. I think Flaglady blessed it as such when it started. Long may it continue to be like this and be a haven of peace.

Catrin xx

[TasManOfGod]

I dont think any group -particularly a Christian one -is justified in calling themselves a negative version of another in the Body

[zaksmummy]

Yes we know that some WoF people dont like it, but its is our forum, so I think that we can call it what we like! It is not a personal offence to people who are WoF, many of my friends are, it just distinguishes us from the WoF movement, some of which we find distasteful. This is not meant to provoke a debate, just stating how I see things.

[zaksmummy]

I was lying in bed trying to sleep (I'm on nights tonight) and it hit me why WoF are so offended by the use of nonWoF.

They believe that if you say something negative, then you "speak" it into existence for example a few weeks ago my son had a bit of a temperature, my friend who is WoF was round for a drink. I said to my husband, I think hes getting a cold maybe we should give him some calpol" she says "Dont speak that into him"

Now not being WoF I think what on earth is she going on about, how can you "speak" a cold into someone.

As far as they are concerned saying something positive/negative can bring something into reality.

Us not be WoF believe that you cannot "speak" anything into anyone, and before you ask, no my little boy didnt develop a cold.

Catrin xx

[ANM29]

I am really wondering how WOF'ers are so offended by this name. ( I am really getting disturbed about this )

If they can choose to 'label' themselves, can't we? This is censorship for absolutely no reason other than insecurities. I really hope Admin, or whoever gets the last word sees this as such. It would be considered discrimination if we can't use the name. :(

What does being a non-WOF'er have to do with WOF'ers at all is my question. If you are secure in your beliefs, then the "terminology" of another group would be the last thing offending you. This is madness..

[JAS4Yeshua]

Madness or not, many are offended, even if they don't come over here and post their objections. If there is a better way of stating what we are without sounding prejudicial, why wouldn't we consider it? Especially in light of Scripture telling us that we shouldn't offend if it is possible to not offend. Will there be some that will be offended regardless, yes, but we should at least give a good faith effort not to offend, IMO.

Now, according to this poll, we're not going to be changing our name at this time. I really doubt the Yes is going to get enough votes in the next couple of days to turn the tide. Am I disappointed, yes, but I have no problem abiding by the majority. I won't revisit this issue before April of next year, which is the six-month required waiting period. After that time, I may, or may not, bring it up again.

[ANM29]

Many are offended by the name "WOF", but I don' see anyone breaking any chains to get rid of that..

Ok, All is well...I will let it go..:) May God Bless them!

[JAS4Yeshua]

I, personally, don't understand why anyone would be offended by either name. Also, I've seen far more people offended by the name non-WoF than the name WoF. When I've seen offense at WoF, it wasn't at the name, but at the individuals who were involved in WoF that were offensive in their words and actions. Every belief movement and denomination has individuals like that, just as they have individuals who aren't like that.

I personally think we need to get past names, labels, and icons and treat each other with the Love of Christ.

[ANM29]

I wish it were that easy. I really wish it were.. :). It should be.

[synger]

Madness or not, many are offended, even if they don't come over here and post their objections. If there is a better way of stating what we are without sounding prejudicial, why wouldn't we consider it?

We have considered it. We've discussed it before this forum was created. We discussed it after this forum was created. I can think of at least four threads off the top of my head that dealt with this exact same issue.

No one's really come up with any other idea that fits the variety of what we are (no one denomination) and yet what we don't have as doctrine (the doctrinal specifics which, when taken together, come out to be WoF doctrines).

So until we've actually got some options to work from, I'm voting no.

[Simon Peter]

There are a couple of voters, on both sides, who should not have cast votes; as they they are not 'members' or don't belong in the Charismatic non-WoF forum.

It won't change the outcome at all, but here's a heads up in case someone wants to start counting how many corners the chad is hanging by...:D

Who is thereisnogreaterlove? He attends a Baptist church and has never posted in this forum!

I guess when it comes to self determination, people want it for themselves, but not for others.

[JAS4Yeshua]

I've been looking at that as well, and taking that into consideration. You're right, it doesn't look like it affects the outcome, because there are a couple on both sides of the coin.

[Tamara224]

Okay, well this poll closed yesterday and the official results are:

8 people in favor of a name change and 14 people against. (Three people's votes were disqualified for either not being members of this forum or for too few posts).

Therefore, the name will remain the same.

Thanks everyone!

Jason, can we close this thread now?

[JAS4Yeshua]

Closing at the request of the OP.