Whoa man! drugs and getten high!

[BlueAfgani]

Yea...drug, man...

Lol, anyway, I like this forum, just found it, figured I could find someone here that disagrees that the drug war is essentially the root of most drug drime in America, and in the world. That it has destroyed far more live than any drug ever could, essentially.

[Aibrean]

While I understand the need to have drugs illegal, Ron Paul has an interesting point:


For the first 140 years of our history, we had essentially no Federal war on drugs, and far fewer problems with drug addiction and related crimes was a consequence. In the past 30 years, even with the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on the drug war, little good has come of it. We have vacillated from efforts to stop the drugs at the source to severely punishing the users, yet nothing has improved. This war has been behind most big government policy powers of the last 30 years, with continual undermining of our civil liberties and personal privacy. Those who support the IRS's efforts to collect maximum revenues and root out the underground economy, have welcomed this intrusion, even if the drug underworld grows in size and influence.
The drug war encourages violence. Government violence against nonviolent users is notorious and has led to the unnecessary prison overpopulation. Innocent taxpayers are forced to pay for all this so-called justice. Our eradication project through spraying around the world, from Colombia to Afghanistan, breeds resentment because normal crops and good land can be severely damaged. Local populations perceive that the efforts and the profiteering remain somehow beneficial to our own agenda in these various countries.
Drug dealers and drug gangs are a consequence of our unwise approach to drug usage. Many innocent people are killed in the crossfire by the mob justice that this war generates. But just because the laws are unwise and have had unintended consequences, no excuses can ever be made for the monster who would kill and maim innocent people for illegal profits. But as the violent killers are removed from society, reconsideration of our drug laws ought to occur.

[BigNorsk]

Well the drug war is a disgrace, but I would say the real root problems tend to be loving to get high, and loving money.

Some problems could probably be better dealt with through legalization, but even if you legalize some I think there would be more than a few people who are always on the prowl for the next drug without regard to their own or others safety. Legalization won't end problems, it would in some cases change them though.

Why do you think so many people are so intent on messing themselves up with drugs?

Marv

[kobuk]

There are a lot of approaches to the discussion of this problem. Bignorsk makes the valid point that no matter what is made "legal" there will always be a few unique drugs that are so harmful that there is no choice but to illiminate them or face a destroyed segment of the population who have blown their minds or worse.

Aibrean mentions Congressman Ron Paul's approach. It's an approach that goes far but not all the way in solving the drug problem, as BigNorsk makes clear.

Let's now look at some other facts. Heroine and cocaine are shipped in by the CIA. If you laugh or become stupid about that i'll understand. You just don't know how the world really works, who are the most corrupt and what's the result of all of that corruption. Documenting all this are thousands of whistleblowers who have written hordes of materials on this as well as given their verbal testimony.

We can even watch a Congressman call a sitting assistant Secretary of State "Mr Cocain" during Hearing on Capital Hill. It's very open knowledge what's really going on.

My own approach would be to legalize all drugs that are no more harmful than alcohol. Alcohol too is a drug (it's active ingridients are drugs) and it is actually way more devastating on society that probably all other drugs like coke and heroine combuned. Next i'd gradually empty our prisons of all non-violent drug offenders. Giving them treatment and lining up job training and addressing their addictions directly with proper councilling.

Banned will have to be futuristic drugs that very rapidly blow the minds of people far greater and faster than alcohol and the other standard drugs just mentioned. There will always be a problem in that catagory. It's a criminal catagory like mirder and other things that involve true extreams that require extreme counter measures or society will be rapidly destroyed.

Give people good job prospects and help in training and giving decent pay and they naturally will go for that freedom and independence out of prisons. The hardcore criminals can just stay in the pen. We can put them to work breaking rocks or punching out licence plates If they are just to violent or stupid to help themselves out of a life of self-destruction..;)