Where is the love when traditional SDA beliefs are challenged?

[NightEternal]

Has anyone else here noticed this?

When Maco posted the first set of results from his research on the Sabbath/covenant issue, it was met with anger, outrage and hostility by certain Trads. He was rewarded with a locked thread and cries that he yield his SDA icon.

Now he posts the second set of results from his research, and suddenly he is showered with accolades and praise, and the same Trads who cried out against him previously are now falling over themselves to show him the love. Why? Because now the results align with thier Traditional views.

:confused: :confused:

Am I the only one who sees the glaring inconsistency of this? It's almost embarrasing. Do the Trads realize just how bad this looks for them? Maco should have been treated just the same by them before as he is now, instead of viewed as a 'lost sheep' who has returned to the fold.

Not trying to be cynical, just an observation. It makes me wonder how quickly the pariah/ostracizing treatment of Desmond Ford would end if he was to recant his research on the IJ and accept the party line.

Where is the love when Adventists challenge the traditional views? It's never apparent. But come back into formation and watch the parade begin. Conditional acceptance based upon doctrinal belief.

It's a dysfunctional pattern that no one seems eager to change. :sigh:

[StormyOne]

in a very legalistic mind, being loving is not a priority.... look at the story of the woman caught in adultery. Those men schemed, and hatched a plot to catch Jesus so they could find reason to kill him and they were more than willing to sacrifice a woman to ensure that they were successful.....

as for what goes on with those who are in the traditional mindset, we need not return evil for evil.... love them, have mercy on them, and remain humble.....

[NightEternal]

I was intrigued by Senti's comment on that thread asking if anyone thinks for themselves.

I would like to hear him elaborate more on that in here, where he won't get tarred and feathered.

[Sophia7]

Has anyone else here noticed this?

When Maco posted the first set of results from his research on the Sabbath/covenant issue, it was met with anger, outrage and hostility by certain Trads. He was rewarded with a locked thread and cries that he yield his SDA icon.

Now he posts the second set of results from his research, and suddenly he is showered with accolades and praise, and the same Trads who cried out against him previously are now falling over themselves to show him the love. Why? Because now the results align with thier Traditional views.

:confused: :confused:

Am I the only one who sees the glaring inconsistency of this? It's almost embarrasing. Do the Trads realize just how bad this looks for them? Maco should have been treated just the same by them before as he is now, instead of viewed as a 'lost sheep' who has returned to the fold.

Not trying to be cynical, just an observation. It makes me wonder how quickly the pariah/ostracizing treatment of Desmond Ford would end if he was to recant his research on the IJ and accept the party line.

Where is the love when Adventists challenge the traditional views? It's never apparent. But come back into formation and watch the parade begin. Conditional acceptance based upon doctrinal belief.

It's a dysfunctional pattern that no one seems eager to change. :sigh:

I noticed this, too.

[freeindeed2]

Has anyone else here noticed this?

When Maco posted the first set of results from his research on the Sabbath/covenant issue, it was met with anger, outrage and hostility by certain Trads. He was rewarded with a locked thread and cries that he yield his SDA icon.

Now he posts the second set of results from his research, and suddenly he is showered with accolades and praise, and the same Trads who cried out against him previously are now falling over themselves to show him the love. Why? Because now the results align with thier Traditional views.

:confused: :confused:

Am I the only one who sees the glaring inconsistency of this? It's almost embarrasing. Do the Trads realize just how bad this looks for them? Maco should have been treated just the same by them before as he is now, instead of viewed as a 'lost sheep' who has returned to the fold.

Not trying to be cynical, just an observation. It makes me wonder how quickly the pariah/ostracizing treatment of Desmond Ford would end if he was to recant his research on the IJ and accept the party line.

Where is the love when Adventists challenge the traditional views? It's never apparent. But come back into formation and watch the parade begin. Conditional acceptance based upon doctrinal belief.

It's a dysfunctional pattern that no one seems eager to change. :sigh:
You are not alone...

[tall73]

It made me sick.


In contrast I just got a voice mail from one of the nicest ladies I have ever known, who was one of the members in my district.

She just called and said

" I miss you, and if you are ever in town you can stay at my house."

Then she filled me in on some details of our small group that meets in her home ,etc.

Almost all of my members treated me this way, despite me telling them outright that I have a doctrinal issue. I really appreciate it.

[freeindeed2]

It made me sick.


In contrast I just got a voice mail from one of the nicest ladies I have ever known, who was one of the members in my district.

She just called and said

" I miss you, and if you are ever in town you can stay at my house."

Then she filled me in on some details of our small group that meets in her home ,etc.

Almost all of my members treated me this way, despite me telling them outright that I have a doctrinal issue. I really appreciate it.
That's awesome Tall. If only that were the case in other places!

[StormyOne]

It made me sick.


In contrast I just got a voice mail from one of the nicest ladies I have ever known, who was one of the members in my district.

She just called and said

" I miss you, and if you are ever in town you can stay at my house."

Then she filled me in on some details of our small group that meets in her home ,etc.

Almost all of my members treated me this way, despite me telling them outright that I have a doctrinal issue. I really appreciate it.
and that is as it should be..... the one thing that any christian should be able to do is to show His love..... yet that seems to be the thing we have the most trouble doing... we are more concerned with the "truth" and being right... IMO....

[NightEternal]

and that is as it should be..... the one thing that any christian should be able to do is to show His love..... yet that seems to be the thing we have the most trouble doing... we are more concerned with the "truth" and being right... IMO....

Stormy makes an excellent point. :thumbsup:

[JohnT]

Hello,

I an expanding from CARM and another site inhabited by aliens from outer space. :D

Therefore, I seek advice before I tread on some of the SDA beliefs.

First, is this the proper place?

Second, how does this differ from CARM?

[StormyOne]

Hello,

I an expanding from CARM and another site inhabited by aliens from outer space. :D

Therefore, I seek advice before I tread on some of the SDA beliefs.

First, is this the proper place?

Second, how does this differ from CARM?
welcome John.... I suppose this is the place moreso that the other areas.... rules are simple, discuss anything, no flaming...

I cannot say for certain how this sub-forum is different from CARM, even though I am a member there.... I guess you will notice some differences as you interact..... again welcome...:thumbsup:

[tall73]

Welcome :)



Carm is primarily an apologetics board.

This board is more general. But this section (the progressive) and the Debate section (http://christianforums.com/f841-discussion-and-debate.html) allow for debate of the Adventist theological positions.

Now some will not like that, as you can see by some posts around here. But that is what the rules say.

As for other rules, check here:

http://christianforums.com/rules

[freeindeed2]

Hello,

I an expanding from CARM and another site inhabited by aliens from outer space. :D
LOL!

Therefore, I seek advice before I tread on some of the SDA beliefs.

First, is this the proper place?

Second, how does this differ from CARM?
This is the proper place. It differs from CARM in that if you disagree with certain posters you'll get reported A LOT. But this is the place to discuss/debate anything having to do with SDAism. Just avoid personal attacks and flaming and stick to the teachings/beliefs themselves. You'll still probably get reported, but you'll have less of a chance of it turning into warnings, infractions or bans (although it's not a guarantee!).

I recognize your name from CARM. I have over 3000 posts there too.

In Christ alone...

[Adventtruth]

Hello,

I an expanding from CARM and another site inhabited by aliens from outer space. :D

Therefore, I seek advice before I tread on some of the SDA beliefs.

First, is this the proper place?

Second, how does this differ from CARM?

Hi JohnT. I'm happy you came over. You won't see as may formers here as at CARM. But as free said, you will get reported here. So just watch out how you respond.

AT

[Sophia7]

Hello,

I an expanding from CARM and another site inhabited by aliens from outer space. :D

Therefore, I seek advice before I tread on some of the SDA beliefs.

First, is this the proper place?

Second, how does this differ from CARM?

Welcome, John. :)

[NightEternal]

Hi John. :wave:

Actually, it was when I was posting on CARM that I found out about this place. The poster in question was talking about how nice it was to have the freedom of speech CARM offers. Then, he said something to the effect of: "Not like the SDA section of Christian Forums!"

:o

I had to see it for myself, as I thought he might be over-reacting.

Almost a year later, having been an active participant here, I have to say-he was entirely correct!