Taboo subjects

[GreenMunchkin]

I wanted to ask whether saying certain subjetcs can't be debated in here is the right way to go.

We have some awesome apologeticists in CC, and people whose ministry *is* debate, so allowing these topics will be a way to witness to non-members. Things like the abortion and homosexuality... we know how we view those, and they're not issues we'd ever debate amongst ourselves, but I don't think I understand why some don't want them discussed in here, at all...

[Criada]

?
I thought that we were allowed to debate them in here?
Isn't that what the sub-forum is for? :scratch:

[GreenMunchkin]

In the thread where we were deciding who should be able to debate in here, if am remembering right, it would decided that certain topics weren't open to discussion, full stop. Will try to find it :hug:

[Criada]

Must have been away then...
Why? Cos - if we can only debate things we agree on, there seems little point.
Surely if guests want to know why we believe things, we should be able to discussit. :scratch:

[Simon_Templar]

I am not opposed to discussing homosexuality or abortion, however, the problem with such debates is that they generally have two opposing sides which have no common point of reference.

That is to say, the arguments from those who are pro are based, for the most part, on foundations that are completely different than the foundations of our world view.
It is nearly impossible to have productive conversation, or even debate on an issue unless the participants share a common point of reference. Debates on these topics always break down into a squable of what the concepts involved really mean because the participants don't agree even on those basic levels.

For example, in the congregational forum I used to participate in, Every conversation, no matter if it was originally about abortion, or homosexuality, or any other topic, always ended up being about the authority and inspiration of scripture, or the nature of absolute truth, because the two sides had significantly different views on what scripture really was and how truth really works.

If you open up conversation on these issues, almost all of the conversations will actually end up being on the issues of what is absolute truth, and what is scripture, rather than homosexuality, or abortion. Which is a reflection of the fact that those issues, abortion and homosexuality, and other issues like them are not the root problem, they are merely symptoms, or results of the real issue. The real issue is the rejection of God's authority and scriptural truth.

Francis Schaefer went into this at length in his book "A Christian Manifesto" but these social issues are not the problems we must address, they are the inevitable results of deeper shift in world view.

[GreenMunchkin]

Huh. Actually, that's a very good point.

Ok, so it raises the question: can people discuss the inerrancy of Scriptures in this sub-forum?

Am actually inclined to say no on that one, but I do think it's possible some people could benefit from the discussion if it was handled well.

[Debi1967]

Huh. Actually, that's a very good point.

Ok, so it raises the question: can people discuss the inerrancy of Scriptures in this sub-forum?

Am actually inclined to say no on that one, but I do think it's possible some people could benefit from the discussion if it was handled well.
I am inclined to say No because of this

The forum affirms:

The Holy Scriptures are inspired, the written Word of God. Scripture is revelation from God given for the instruction of his people in faith, morals, and doctrine. The revelation of scripture is completely reliable and authoritative.

2Ti 3:15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures which can instruct thee to salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

[Criada]

I am inclined to say No because of this

The forum affirms:

The Holy Scriptures are inspired, the written Word of God. Scripture is revelation from God given for the instruction of his people in faith, morals, and doctrine. The revelation of scripture is completely reliable and authoritative.

2Ti 3:15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures which can instruct thee to salvation by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.

Agreed! :)

But - these are rules of membership - if non-members are allowed to debate in the sub-forum, should we not be able to tell them why we believe this?
And can we do that without allowing them to put their point of view...

:scratch: Actually not clear on this...

[Debi1967]

Agreed! :)

But - these are rules of membership - if non-members are allowed to debate in the sub-forum, should we not be able to tell them why we believe this?
And can we do that without allowing them to put their point of view...

:scratch: Actually not clear on this...
What we affirm should not be debatable in this forum. If they have honest questions as to our beliefs and why we believe the way we do then I say ask away otherwise then all it is, is to challenge our way of thinking in reality and in reality they are not really open to hearing the other side, take this from an apologist. Your an apologist because your stance is already rooted and firm.

[Criada]

k :)

Just seems a bit...dunno...um..no, sorry. Nothing coherent to add at the moment!
Need coffee! :D

[MrJim]

k :)

Just seems a bit...dunno...um..no, sorry. Nothing coherent to add at the moment!
Need coffee! :D

I heard on Rush about a flavored coffee "Maple & Bacon Morning"...ya know I love coffee as much as anyone, and some flavored is ok, but bacon flavored:sick:

OK, back to taboo stuff...

[Hentenza]

I heard on Rush about a flavored coffee "Maple & Bacon Morning"...ya know I love coffee as much as anyone, and some flavored is ok, but bacon flavored:sick:

OK, back to taboo stuff...

Bacon flavored coffee, scrambled eggs and pancakes!!! Toss the cofee and we got a deal!!!:D
I'll make the real bacon and some good old coffee.:yum:

[Hentenza]

Hey guys,

I don't think that we should have restriction on subjects in the debate subforum. We believe what we believe because we have researched it and are passionate about it. Who better than to debate this issues than us?
Heck, I'll be happy to show them the errors of their ways.;)

With that being said, as a mod, I will not extend much grace to those that get out of hand or flame.http://bestsmileys.com/hitting/6.gif ^_^^_^^_^

[Lisa0315]

Well, I love a good old debate as the next guy. I think we said from the beginning that we wanted our cake and eat it too. We wanted our debate sub forum to debate anything with anyone and we wanted our main area for fellowship and ministry.

Lisa

[Criada]

Sounds good!
:hug:

[Lisa0315]

Maybe, we should move this to the Rules Sub Forum and continue to discuss?

Lisa

[Josephcanuck]

online Baptists are attacking everything under the sun from other Christians to Spiritualist groups. Jews, Moslems, gays etc..You name it.
According to these guys everyone is going to hell.
Baptists attacking Unitarians and other spiritualist groups
Because of the restraints of the forum i cannot post a link but if you google baptists for brownback you will find them. They are located at Wordpress.
The problem I have with groups like this is that there is clear support for them. These folks like the Fred Phelps Baptists are spewing hate with every breath and no one does anything (or so it seems) to try and stop the regurgitated mess. I am a Baptist but I feel like the original and my voice is out there in the wilderness not being heard. We all get tainted when folks like these get to have too much say in things. I don't profess to tolerate gay people so I am not going to feed you a line here but I also do not tolerate people assigning themselves the role of the Almighty as these have done.

[Hentenza]

online Baptists are attacking everything under the sun from other Christians to Spiritualist groups. Jews, Moslems, gays etc..You name it.
According to these guys everyone is going to hell.
Baptists attacking Unitarians and other spiritualist groups
Because of the restraints of the forum i cannot post a link but if you google baptists for brownback you will find them. They are located at Wordpress.
The problem I have with groups like this is that there is clear support for them. These folks like the Fred Phelps Baptists are spewing hate with every breath and no one does anything (or so it seems) to try and stop the regurgitated mess. I am a Baptist but I feel like the original and my voice is out there in the wilderness not being heard. We all get tainted when folks like these get to have too much say in things. I don't profess to tolerate gay people so I am not going to feed you a line here but I also do not tolerate people assigning themselves the role of the Almighty as these have done.

Hi JC and welcome to the board,

There are fanatics in just about every denomination. There are people out there that make themselves judge, jury, and executioner. God directly spoke against judging anyone. Jesus was specific about that. We can use our gift of discernment but we are not to judge.
I just ignore them and follow what the Lord commanded us to do.:)

God Bless

[Lisa0315]

online Baptists are attacking everything under the sun from other Christians to Spiritualist groups. Jews, Moslems, gays etc..You name it.
According to these guys everyone is going to hell.
Baptists attacking Unitarians and other spiritualist groups
Because of the restraints of the forum i cannot post a link but if you google baptists for brownback you will find them. They are located at Wordpress.
The problem I have with groups like this is that there is clear support for them. These folks like the Fred Phelps Baptists are spewing hate with every breath and no one does anything (or so it seems) to try and stop the regurgitated mess. I am a Baptist but I feel like the original and my voice is out there in the wilderness not being heard. We all get tainted when folks like these get to have too much say in things. I don't profess to tolerate gay people so I am not going to feed you a line here but I also do not tolerate people assigning themselves the role of the Almighty as these have done.

Hi
I do understand where you are coming from. I was raised fundamentalist Baptist, and still attend one. However, I am fortunate enough to have escaped that element of fanaticism that seems to dominate many Baptist churches.

Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. He also told us that we are to love one another. Paul said that without love, the rest means nothing. So, when you put all of that together, while we may not judge these individuals, we can know in our hearts that their teachings are not of God.

So, I say to you. Find a church in which both love and sound doctrine abounds. That is alot easier to say than do, I realize, but pray on it and the Lord will guide you to the right place.

As for the Phelps gang, may God have mercy on them. I mean think about it. If you were Satan, what would you do? Two things: 1) Take the love and remove the sound doctrine, 2) Keep sound doctrine and remove the love. These two things go hand in hand. You cannot have one or the other, but it must be both.

It is just like with our Lord. He is BOTH Just and Loving. He is not one or the other, but Both at the same time, and so we must be.

Love in Christ,

Lisa

[Time2BCounted]

I would be happy to debate the inerrancy of scripture or the supremecy of the kjv over the niv, or just about anything that comes personally.

I believe at times it is the only way to convince. I know many are adverse to debate because it can break down nastily, but if we dont allow things to degenerate in such a way, i believe they can profit everyone including the opposition.

[Izdaari]

As for the Phelps gang, may God have mercy on them. I mean think about it. If you were Satan, what would you do? Two things: 1) Take the love and remove the sound doctrine, 2) Keep sound doctrine and remove the love. These two things go hand in hand. You cannot have one or the other, but it must be both.

It is just like with our Lord. He is BOTH Just and Loving. He is not one or the other, but Both at the same time, and so we must be.
:thumbsup:

A big amen to that!

:amen: