So many prophets today

[stone]

Have you guys noticed that we have so many folks today that claim to be prophets?

I've heard some say that it is prophesizeing just to teach the scriptures.

Isn't there a test in the scriptures left by Moshe, that is to be used to determine if one is or is not a prophet? Even after that test, its written that if that prophet leads the people stray, that prophet is to be killed.

I've mentioned these scriptures to them and they give me the same old routine about those scriptures being in the old testament and we don't live by the old testament any more, we live by the new testament.

Yet, what i have seen is deception cloaked in this claim by many that are self proclaimed prophets. The deception comes to them just as it comes to us. There are wolves in sheeps clothing among us. They give what they call a word to their sock puppets and act out a dramatic scene of some kind of salvation or claim to some miracle that came to pass.

When i provide evidence that the test are still valid they ignore it. Everything that they say is painting a picture of a bed of roses, and winning the lottery and everything that any person would love to hear. In the scriptures most of the prophets that give these words are written to be false prophets.

Edification is their justification. They claim that by simply speaking positive words that it will result in a positive outcome. I would like to take these self proclaimed prophets with me on a trip through the projects or into a hospital to clear it out.

Perhaps i should propose a challenge to all of those that claim to be prophets? My only concern is that none will accept the challenge.

[christianmomof3]

I think there is a difference in being a prophet and prophesying. An Old Testament Prophet was one who God spoke to and spoke through because He did not speak to and through all of His people at that time. The Prophets spoke for God.
Now, the Lord speaks to and through all of His believers. The Bible says that all can prophesy one by one. 1 Cor 14:31 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=46&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=31) For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

All regenerated believers can contact God and He can speak to us and through us. That does not mean we will predict future events or that we are all like the OT prophets. But, if we contact the Lord and allow Him to speak through us, He can speak through us to teach and comfort others and He does.

[stone]

I think there is a difference in being a prophet and prophesying. An Old Testament Prophet was one who God spoke to and spoke through because He did not speak to and through all of His people at that time. The Prophets spoke for God.
Now, the Lord speaks to and through all of His believers. The Bible says that all can prophesy one by one. 1 Cor 14:31 (http://bibledatabase.org/cgi-bin/bib_search/bible.cgi?BIBLE=48&BOOK=46&CHAP=14&SEARCH=jesus king lord&Read=Read&FIRST=OK&HV=31) For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

All regenerated believers can contact God and He can speak to us and through us. That does not mean we will predict future events or that we are all like the OT prophets. But, if we contact the Lord and allow Him to speak through us, He can speak through us to teach and comfort others and He does.


Right, like folks didn't claim to speak for g-d in the old testament too. This is the reason for the test. It's not predicting the future, it's being raised up by g-d.

[stone]

I'm well aware of the scripture you posted too, these prophets would have already passed the test to even be considered a prophet.

You can't just stand up and say, "look at me, I'm a prophet, listen to me! " but it does bring in the $.

[christianmomof3]

I'm well aware of the scripture you posted too, these prophets would have already passed the test to even be considered a prophet.

You can't just stand up and say, "look at me, I'm a prophet, listen to me! " but it does bring in the $.
We who are believers have the living Lord within us annointing us and letting us know if those who are speaking are really speaking from Christ or from themselves. If we are unsure we have the other members of the Body of Christ who can also help us to discern whether someone is speaking from Christ or not.

There are many false prophets today just as there were in the past. Often, the ones who are lead astray are those who do not know the Lord and are seeking simply prosperity or other things and not seeking the Lord.
I don't think it is our job to kill the false prophets. :swoon:
The Lord will deal with the false prophets. He will let them know that He never knew them.

[ContentInHim]

I like the prophets like Rick Joyner and The Elijah List, et al. who excuse the fact that they are correct with their prophecies about 65 % of the time with "Well, only the OT prophets were correct 100% of the time". :eek:

[stone]

blind leading the blind

[Bananna]

Anyone believer or otherwise my occassionally have a prophetic word of future events. Of application of scripture or direct word of wisdom from God.

That does not make us a prophet sent from God. Prophets sent from God cannot be wrong. However the scriputes do meantion a death of a prophet because of another prophet lying to him. So prophets can lie.

First test
Do they speak against God or Torah? If so do not fear their predictions.

This would one reason IMO that Jews need not fear hell and fire when Christians come in a manner that threatens them if they don't believe in Yeshua. Most Christians present a gospel that is without Torah appears polytheistic.

The next test is to see if it agrees with scripture or comes to pass.

Now only Samuel was 100% all the time. He never spoke a word not from God... until Yeshua. If they say... Thus says the Lord... it better be true and come to pass because the death penalty was for failure to be a prophet if you claimed to be one.

I've heard lots of prophesies. Some people are gifted. None of them claimed to be prophets.

I hear false prophesies from people claiming to be prophets. HMMMM does lack of humility blind one?
bananna

[stone]

Do you think anyone would accept a challenge, that claim to be prophets?

We could start up a thread, have them sign in, all pray for a dream, then come and document it in the thread. Then we can see how many pass the test.

[cyberlizard]

i know just what you're saying, I spend most of my time in the SF / PC forum, and it is like banging your head against a wall a lot of the time.

what really annoys me most about my charismatic buddies on the forum, is the way they bandy around scripture, take things from context and then try to use them as proof text. When you pointed out you get slated for being legalistic and quenching the spirit.

Does your head in, doesn't it

[ContentInHim]

i know just what you're saying, I spend most of my time in the SF / PC forum, and it is like banging your head against a wall a lot of the time.

what really annoys me most about my charismatic buddies on the forum, is the way they bandy around scripture, take things from context and then try to use them as proof text. When you pointed out you get slated for being legalistic and quenching the spirit.

Does your head in, doesn't it
I know what you mean. I used to post there quite a bit under another CFID. It's called proof-texting - problem is they never ever link up the context which would dis-prove their claims! I believe in the gifts and healing and blessings - I just don't believe in the name it and claim it stuff.

Ever read the prophecies of Kim Clement? He's prophesying health and prosperity to all of God's people. Problem is, he has never defined his God and I've never heard him talk about Jesus. He's a great fund-raiser though and occasionally gets a prophecy spectacularly correct - but then 100 monkeys can type out Shakespeare, right? :P

[visionary]

Anyone who has had an experience with God and come to learn things that they wish to share, will find it unwelcome. Those who share what God has revealed to them should pass the test. It was the HOLY One of Israel and they know by the experience what Holy truly is. There is no contradiction with scripture. Though it will contradict and clash with theologies of man in all religions.... that is what makes it stand out. For the explanations, what has confused many, sits in the heart of the hearer/believer and has the Holy Spirit confirm it in their heart that it is so or not.

That is what made Paul so enlightened. It was not his education, but the Lord put His Light on it and cleared out the clutter that was so badly needed. Paul passed on the message of hope to all as he came to know it. Is Paul a prophet?