JAS4Yeshua
5th September 2007, 06:56 PM
Charismatic Forum Rules
Rule 1.1 Debate by Non-Members
All posts by members who are not in line with the definition of Charismatic, (Section 2, below) are asked not to debate (whether debating beliefs or matters of forum policy) or post teaching or instruction regarding such matters.
Rule 1.2 No Accusations of not being Charismatic enough
Any accusation that a member is not Charismatic, or not Charismatic enough, when he has identified himself as being in line with the Charismatic beliefs (Section 2), is forbidden. If a member directly contradicts a statement within this article, please use the 'report' button to report the post to the moderators, and the user will be contacted by them. Let the moderators handle such action officially, rather than taking it into your own hands, as it will make their job easier.
Rule 1.3 Rules carried over
We ask that all posts in this forum adhere to the rules of this site. All of the Forum Specific rules (http://foru.ms/t6005089-sticky-spirit-filled-pentecostal-charismatic-forum-rules.html) of the parent forum, 'Spirit-Filled, Pentecostal/Charismatic,' which are not superseded by Charismatic Forum rules, are also to be observed. Moderators will be enforcing those rules in this subforum as well. This would include issues such as the No Flaming rule, for example.
Charismatic Beliefs
The Charismatic forum is a place welcome to all people who consider themselves to be Charismatic. For the purposes of this forum, we define a member of this Charismatic forum, as a member who is in line with the following beliefs.
For the definition of the Charismatic Subforum of Spirit-filled Pentecostal/Charismatic, the following are the distinguishing marks of a Charismatic believer, and we use this definition to show who can and cannot debate within our forum. If your views on these doctrines are contrary to our outline, we ask that you do not participate in discussions about the interpretation and application of these particular doctrines. Such discussions are more appropriate in the SF/PC main forum.
Trinitarian
We believe that in order to be charismatic, one must believe in a Triune God, in line with the teachings of the Nicene Creed (used as a reference point for clear trinitarian teaching which must be adhered to, not required to assent to as a matter of belief) and with the teachings found within the Bible, both Old and New Testament. We respectfully request that non-trinitarian people not debate within this forum.
Church:
Charismatics can belong to non-denominational churches or traditional denominations; we are found in all walks of the Christian life: "For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ." [1 Corinthians 12:12, NASB]
Gifts of the Spirit
All charismatic believers believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within believers; in the continuation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit today; and that the Holy Spirit comes as he wills, working through our prayers as he pleases, rather than coming at any man's command.
We do not believe that there is any gift that is 'evidence' of the filling of the Holy Spirit, rather that the Holy Spirit gives gifts as he chooses for the purposes of the Building up of the Body of Christ. The fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), as seen in a change of character, is a better indication of the filling of the Spirit.
"There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men." [1 Cor, 12: 4-6 NIV]
"All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines." [1 Cor 12:11 NIV]
Healing:
All Charismatic believers believe in the gift of Healing and that God can and does heal. We believe in praying for healing as a significant part of our ministry. However, following on in the example of the Apostle Paul, we believe that healing does not always occur, and that God does not come at our bidding, but rather he works through us serving him in prayer. Sometimes we must acknowledge that healing does not occur so that He may be glorified. Like Job, we can honestly testify, "The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised." (Job 1:21)
"To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me." [2 Cor 12:7-9]
Poverty and Wealth:
Charismatic believers come from all walks of life, from extreme poverty through to extreme wealth. We believe that wealth is a gift from God and carries enormous responsibilities. We believe that while God does not necessarily give us money from Heaven, he provides for our needs--sometimes in quite basic ways--rather than providing every little thing we could ever want. We believe in miraculous provision, not as a right to be claimed, but as an answer to prayer as He wills. Jesus taught us to pray for daily bread--implying that we should rely on God daily for our needs.
"He said to them, "When you pray, say:
" 'Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And lead us not into temptation.' " [Luke 11:2-4 NIV]
God speaks today:
Charismatic believers believe that God speaks today through the ministry of people given the gift of Prophecy, and others who have studied. However, we firmly believe that all ministers, teachers and prophets should have their teaching examined closely, according to the Word of God, and that if it fails to come into line with what God has already revealed, then it must be discarded and labeled as false teaching and prophesy. (2 Timothy 3:16).
Further, we must closely examine all prophecies, and any prophet who prophesies contrary to the Word of God, or if his or her prophecy does not come to pass, must be closely examined as to whether or not they really have this gift. As a significant gift within the church we must be aware that some people are seeking attention through it, and to be wise as 'Bereans', always comparing new teachings and prophetic words with the Scriptures to see if they are from God.
"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." [Acts 17:11 NIV]
Snapshot Taken: Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 4:55 PDT.
Rule 1.1 Debate by Non-Members
All posts by members who are not in line with the definition of Charismatic, (Section 2, below) are asked not to debate (whether debating beliefs or matters of forum policy) or post teaching or instruction regarding such matters.
Rule 1.2 No Accusations of not being Charismatic enough
Any accusation that a member is not Charismatic, or not Charismatic enough, when he has identified himself as being in line with the Charismatic beliefs (Section 2), is forbidden. If a member directly contradicts a statement within this article, please use the 'report' button to report the post to the moderators, and the user will be contacted by them. Let the moderators handle such action officially, rather than taking it into your own hands, as it will make their job easier.
Rule 1.3 Rules carried over
We ask that all posts in this forum adhere to the rules of this site. All of the Forum Specific rules (http://foru.ms/t6005089-sticky-spirit-filled-pentecostal-charismatic-forum-rules.html) of the parent forum, 'Spirit-Filled, Pentecostal/Charismatic,' which are not superseded by Charismatic Forum rules, are also to be observed. Moderators will be enforcing those rules in this subforum as well. This would include issues such as the No Flaming rule, for example.
Charismatic Beliefs
The Charismatic forum is a place welcome to all people who consider themselves to be Charismatic. For the purposes of this forum, we define a member of this Charismatic forum, as a member who is in line with the following beliefs.
For the definition of the Charismatic Subforum of Spirit-filled Pentecostal/Charismatic, the following are the distinguishing marks of a Charismatic believer, and we use this definition to show who can and cannot debate within our forum. If your views on these doctrines are contrary to our outline, we ask that you do not participate in discussions about the interpretation and application of these particular doctrines. Such discussions are more appropriate in the SF/PC main forum.
Trinitarian
We believe that in order to be charismatic, one must believe in a Triune God, in line with the teachings of the Nicene Creed (used as a reference point for clear trinitarian teaching which must be adhered to, not required to assent to as a matter of belief) and with the teachings found within the Bible, both Old and New Testament. We respectfully request that non-trinitarian people not debate within this forum.
Church:
Charismatics can belong to non-denominational churches or traditional denominations; we are found in all walks of the Christian life: "For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ." [1 Corinthians 12:12, NASB]
Gifts of the Spirit
All charismatic believers believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within believers; in the continuation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit today; and that the Holy Spirit comes as he wills, working through our prayers as he pleases, rather than coming at any man's command.
We do not believe that there is any gift that is 'evidence' of the filling of the Holy Spirit, rather that the Holy Spirit gives gifts as he chooses for the purposes of the Building up of the Body of Christ. The fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), as seen in a change of character, is a better indication of the filling of the Spirit.
"There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men." [1 Cor, 12: 4-6 NIV]
"All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines." [1 Cor 12:11 NIV]
Healing:
All Charismatic believers believe in the gift of Healing and that God can and does heal. We believe in praying for healing as a significant part of our ministry. However, following on in the example of the Apostle Paul, we believe that healing does not always occur, and that God does not come at our bidding, but rather he works through us serving him in prayer. Sometimes we must acknowledge that healing does not occur so that He may be glorified. Like Job, we can honestly testify, "The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised." (Job 1:21)
"To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me." [2 Cor 12:7-9]
Poverty and Wealth:
Charismatic believers come from all walks of life, from extreme poverty through to extreme wealth. We believe that wealth is a gift from God and carries enormous responsibilities. We believe that while God does not necessarily give us money from Heaven, he provides for our needs--sometimes in quite basic ways--rather than providing every little thing we could ever want. We believe in miraculous provision, not as a right to be claimed, but as an answer to prayer as He wills. Jesus taught us to pray for daily bread--implying that we should rely on God daily for our needs.
"He said to them, "When you pray, say:
" 'Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
Give us each day our daily bread.
Forgive us our sins,
for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.
And lead us not into temptation.' " [Luke 11:2-4 NIV]
God speaks today:
Charismatic believers believe that God speaks today through the ministry of people given the gift of Prophecy, and others who have studied. However, we firmly believe that all ministers, teachers and prophets should have their teaching examined closely, according to the Word of God, and that if it fails to come into line with what God has already revealed, then it must be discarded and labeled as false teaching and prophesy. (2 Timothy 3:16).
Further, we must closely examine all prophecies, and any prophet who prophesies contrary to the Word of God, or if his or her prophecy does not come to pass, must be closely examined as to whether or not they really have this gift. As a significant gift within the church we must be aware that some people are seeking attention through it, and to be wise as 'Bereans', always comparing new teachings and prophetic words with the Scriptures to see if they are from God.
"Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." [Acts 17:11 NIV]
Snapshot Taken: Wednesday, September 5, 2007, 4:55 PDT.