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Nicki4Christ
5th September 2007, 12:37 PM
Do you think we should have a Closed Sub-Forum , where we would be able to write our rules and hold our polls?

We need member participation on this. So please if you think this is a good or bad idea, share your thoughts.

(also this is my first thread starter, ^_^ )
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Addicted2~Jesus
5th September 2007, 12:40 PM
I'm not sure exactly whatchya mean by a closed subforum, closed to whom? Currently you've got to affirm to be CC in order to have a say in the rules an the like correct? So if someone comes in an causes trouble durin the process isn't it witin the power of the moderators to simply delete thier post? I'm actually not to sure on the rules governin that off hand, I need to go look em up agin.

GreenMunchkin
5th September 2007, 12:42 PM
I'm just not sure it warrants its own sub-forum, sis. I think it's a great idea, but in practise, it won't hardly be used. Even our debate sub-forum is slow traffic... I dunno.

Hentenza
5th September 2007, 01:02 PM
Hi Guys,

I can't put my arms around a closed sub-forum. Somehow it seems like something that won't used much and the purpose itself is blurry to me. Lets discuss more and see where the discussion leads us.:)

~*Lady Trekki*~
5th September 2007, 01:02 PM
I like the idea of a closed sub forum for times when we don't want or need nonmembers comments. It may not be used all that much...but would be nice to have in case we need it.

Hentenza
5th September 2007, 01:26 PM
OK, so the thought is to have two debate subforums? One for debate with non-conservative folks and one for members only?

Tonks
5th September 2007, 01:31 PM
What is a closed sub-forum? I don't get it. :scratch:

GreenMunchkin
5th September 2007, 01:35 PM
Somewhere non-members can't go, at all.

Criada
5th September 2007, 02:00 PM
Not keen.
But - can't really think of a good reason...just seems ...dunno...sorry - I'll go away and try to come up with smething more coherent!:P

Tonks
5th September 2007, 02:12 PM
Somewhere non-members can't go, at all.

You mean actual sofware-coded or non-member posts are just removed?

GreenMunchkin
5th September 2007, 02:16 PM
You mean actual sofware-coded or non-member posts are just removed?Um. I don't know how Nicki sees it being... I'd imagine the latter. But, essentially, the sub-forum would be on total lock-down.

Macrina
5th September 2007, 02:19 PM
Well, I don't have a preference either way about the question of it being closed or not, but I would really like to have a sub-forum for all the policy discussions. As much as I very much appreciate the hard work that goes into them, I only have the energy to participate in so many policy discussions at a time. It would be nice to come into the forum and see more general threads, then go into the policy-development section when I'm up for it. :)

~*Lady Trekki*~
5th September 2007, 02:39 PM
Well, I don't have a preference either way about the question of it being closed or not, but I would really like to have a sub-forum for all the policy discussions. As much as I very much appreciate the hard work that goes into them, I only have the energy to participate in so many policy discussions at a time. It would be nice to come into the forum and see more general threads, then go into the policy-development section when I'm up for it. :)
:thumbsup:

Lisa0315
5th September 2007, 02:48 PM
A closed forum for Rules and Polls would go a long way in my opinion. Here is why:

#1, All of them will be in the same place, so easier for members to find and participate.

#2, It has been generally where we have had the most reported guest participation.

This would mean Main Forums (Open), Debate Forums (Open), and Rules and Polls (Closed). A place for everyone, easy to mod, and for those who do not like conflict, an easy way to avoid it.

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
5th September 2007, 02:48 PM
Except, we're on the home straight now... :scratch: I totally understand the logic, but do y'all really think it would get used? In a couple of days, all this will be sorted out, anyway :clap:

Lisa0315
5th September 2007, 02:51 PM
Except, we're on the home straight now... :scratch: I totally understand the logic, but do y'all really think it would get used? In a couple of days, all this will be sorted out, anyway :clap:

Okay. :) Again, it can always be added later.

Lisa

Lisa0315
5th September 2007, 02:52 PM
Do you think we should have a Closed Sub-Forum , where we would be able to write our rules and hold our polls?

We need member participation on this. So please if you think this is a good or bad idea, share your thoughts.

(also this is my first thread starter, ^_^ )
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You are doing a wonderful job. Thank you for taking the lead on this.

Lisa

Nicki4Christ
5th September 2007, 02:55 PM
Well, I don't have a preference either way about the question of it being closed or not, but I would really like to have a sub-forum for all the policy discussions. As much as I very much appreciate the hard work that goes into them, I only have the energy to participate in so many policy discussions at a time. It would be nice to come into the forum and see more general threads, then go into the policy-development section when I'm up for it. :)
Thank you! That is exactly what I needed to say in the thread starter, Can I have a Do over:doh:

;)

GreenMunchkin
5th September 2007, 02:59 PM
Thank you! That is exactly what I needed to say in the thread starter, Can I have a Do over:doh:

;):D :hug:

Sis, do you mean for rulesy stuff solely, or as a total "safe place" for the members to be talky about anything and everything?

Nicki4Christ
5th September 2007, 03:19 PM
The proposed sub-forum would be soley for the rule making discussion and for polls.

I lost count at around 30, of the polls and policy threads. I think it would be nice just to have an area for disscussion for rules and polls.

This way if you come into fellowship you dont have to weed through the rulesy stuff.

GreenMunchkin
5th September 2007, 03:24 PM
The proposed sub-forum would be soley for the rule making discussion and for polls.

I lost count at around 30, of the polls and policy threads. I think it would be nice just to have an area for disscussion for rules and polls.

This way if you come into fellowship you dont have to weed through the rulesy stuff.

Ahhh, so ideally, everything would be moved in there retroactively? I hadn't thought of that, actually. We do have enough rules and poll threads to fill a sub-forum...

We'd need Letalis to weigh in about it cos he's the forum/sub-forum expert.

I see your point, though, about people not wanting to wade through policy threads to get to the good shtuff.

Nicki4Christ
5th September 2007, 03:33 PM
Ahhh, so ideally, everything would be moved in there retroactively? I hadn't thought of that, actually. We do have enough rules and poll threads to fill a sub-forum...

We'd need Letalis to weigh in about it cos he's the forum/sub-forum expert.

I see your point, though, about people not wanting to wade through policy threads to get to the good shtuff.


:thumbsup:

Tonks
5th September 2007, 03:40 PM
Additionally, if a sub-forum was created for rules and such it would only take about a minute to move all of the threads over via a mass move.

FWIW, most places I've seen in ET have the main forum for the members and an open debate forum. Seems pretty std.

GreenMunchkin
7th September 2007, 01:18 PM
I really think we should get moving on this one, because I know people are staying away from CC cos they feel like all they can see are rules threads. Which is a necessary evil for all of us, but not all of us want to be involved in hammering out the details, so we actually do very much need a Rules Discussion sub-forum.

Was a great idea, Nicki :hug:

Greenthumb
7th September 2007, 01:29 PM
I really think we should get moving on this one, because I know people are staying away from CC cos they feel like all they can see are rules threads. Which is a necessary evil for all of us, but not all of us want to be involved in hammering out the details, so we actually do very much need a Rules Discussion sub-forum.

Was a great idea, Nicki :hug:
:) Was just thinking this very thing right now. :hug:

Hmm...editing to add...maybe not a 'closed' subforum...just another subforum for all the inhouse discussions and polls that members would be posting in.

Criada
7th September 2007, 01:59 PM
:) Was just thinking this very thing right now. :hug:

Hmm...editing to add...maybe not a 'closed' subforum...just another subforum for all the inhouse discussions and polls that members would be posting in.
I prefer that idea...
Somehow making it closed just looks very exclusive.
Can't see many guests wanting to visit it anyway :D

LivingLifeHisWay
7th September 2007, 02:01 PM
Well...having it closed actually makes sense b/c guests can't vote or get involved in the rule making anyway....

GreenMunchkin
7th September 2007, 02:03 PM
The crazy thing is, technically we'd need to start *another* poll to se if people support the idea, and add yet *another* rulesy thing to the forum. Yack.

I'll pm Letalis and ask him to look in.He may be able to tell us what our options are :)

LivingLifeHisWay
7th September 2007, 02:11 PM
Eeeeekkkk! Not another poll. :swoon: ^_^

Greenthumb
7th September 2007, 02:18 PM
The crazy thing is, technically we'd need to start *another* poll to se if people support the idea, and add yet *another* rulesy thing to the forum. Yack.

I'll pm Letalis and ask him to look in.He may be able to tell us what our options are :)
That is part of what is making me crazy...so many polls and discussions. Yes, rules are important, and I know that this forum is still in it's infancy, but there is so much emphasis being put on the making of rules and discussion of rules and polls of rules, that there is no time left for fellowship. :sigh: And trying to keep up with it all is mind-boggling. :swoon: Hmm...maybe I need to move this post to the venting thread. :sorry:

Macrina
7th September 2007, 02:26 PM
That is part of what is making me crazy...so many polls and discussions. Yes, rules are important, and I know that this forum is still in it's infancy, but there is so much emphasis being put on the making of rules and discussion of rules and polls of rules, that there is no time left for fellowship. :sigh: And trying to keep up with it all is mind-boggling. :swoon: Hmm...maybe I need to move this post to the venting thread. :sorry:

Yeah, I kinda feel like CC is the policy-making forum. :sorry:


Let's move on making a subforum as quickly as possible, ok? We don't have to make it closed, just pull all the policy threads into one spot. Then later we can determine specifics about it, like if we want there to be any more rules than there are for the forum in general.

But really, this forum would have more members if it weren't for the many rule discussions. I understand how important they are, but there are some people (like me) who can only tackle a limited amount of it before we need something else in the mix.

Jim47
7th September 2007, 03:19 PM
Re-opened for discussion, but please don't take it to a poll until I hear from our policy manager.

Letalis
7th September 2007, 07:04 PM
Checking in.

GreenMunchkin
7th September 2007, 07:06 PM
wo0t! Does this idea conflict with something somehow?

Lisa0315
7th September 2007, 07:07 PM
It might. We are not to restrict visitors from posting, I think is what might be the problem. I think it will come back fine though.

Lisa

Jim47
7th September 2007, 07:10 PM
It might. We are not to restrict visitors from posting, I think is what might be the problem. I think it will come back fine though.

Lisa


Exactly

GreenMunchkin
7th September 2007, 07:11 PM
It might. We are not to restrict visitors from posting, I think is what might be the problem. I think it will come back fine though.

LisaChe? But that was never the suggestion, was it? Am getting so confused tonight. The idea is just to have a sub-forum where we hammer out the technical stuff so people don't have to wade through it if they just wanna fellowship, etc.

Was the suggestion to make it Officially Out of Bounds? Cos, honestly, I think its being mind-numbingly dull will keep people away much more than sanctions :P

Letalis
7th September 2007, 07:13 PM
I don't see any conflict, but the Policy Director has been contacted, so I'll wait until he looks it over. I think it's a good idea.

About restricting participation, please see this thread:

I want to emphasize that this is absolutely not the case. As members of a forum, you can customize forum-specific rules through the wiki found in that category's directory. For example, the members of the "purple church" forum can say that only Nicene-agreeing Christians who are regular attendees of a "purple church" can post in the "purple church" forum, except for [open] threads. This is allowed.

http://foru.ms/t5702921

Lisa0315
7th September 2007, 07:13 PM
Che? But that was never the suggestion, was it? Am getting so confused tonight. The idea is just to have a sub-forum where we hammer out the technical stuff so people don't have to wade through it if they just wanna fellowship, etc.

Was the suggestion to make it Officially Out of Bounds? Cos, honestly, I think its being mind-numbingly dull will keep people away much more than sanctions :P

Well, I did propose a closed forum for rules and polls. We have had problems with people voting in our polls and opining our rules.

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
7th September 2007, 07:17 PM
Well, I did propose a closed forum for rules and polls. We have had problems with people voting in our polls and opining our rules.

LisaPfft, votes won't count. But, I was thinking about this, actually, and aside from the odd troll who'll get in the mix to ensure it gets rowdy, the perspective of a non-member doesn't hurt. For example, Joykin's thoughts on our fellowship/debate quandry was pretty helpful.

But if y'all want it completely closed, I recall Ron saying sub-forums are pretty much wholly autonomous, so it probably won't be a problem.

Jim47
7th September 2007, 07:19 PM
Well, I did propose a closed forum for rules and polls. We have had problems with people voting in our polls and opining our rules.

Lisa


This should be entireedly do-able, and per protical is only right

Lisa0315
7th September 2007, 07:43 PM
I don't see any conflict, but the Policy Director has been contacted, so I'll wait until he looks it over. I think it's a good idea.

About restricting participation, please see this thread:

I want to emphasize that this is absolutely not the case. As members of a forum, you can customize forum-specific rules through the wiki found in that category's directory. For example, the members of the "purple church" forum can say that only Nicene-agreeing Christians who are regular attendees of a "purple church" can post in the "purple church" forum, except for [open] threads. This is allowed.

http://foru.ms/t5702921

Thanks for posting that! I added this to our Resource Sticky!

Lisa

No Swansong
7th September 2007, 07:56 PM
I strongly support such a subforum and I strongly support it being closed to everyone except members. This is after all our subforum and we have been granted to autonomy to make our own rules. We should not be constantly subjected non-member opinions about our rules etc.

Lisa0315
7th September 2007, 08:00 PM
Well, closing it to non-members is only one of the reasons. We are also doing this to clean up the Main area. This will make it nicer for visitors and members alike so they don't have to scroll through pages to find fellowship and discussion. It will also help members go straight to all the rules and polls, or allow them to ignore them as some have expressed.

Lisa

Macrina
7th September 2007, 08:28 PM
While we're still debating about it being closed, can we go ahead and create it in open form? Is that permissible, and then deal with closing it later if appropriate?

FWIW, I don't think we need to close it, but I'm not opposed to the idea.

JimfromOhio
7th September 2007, 09:33 PM
I am torn. I just don't want to push the world out by being isolated in our own clinking group. I am leaning to not closing any forums but only allow members of the forum to vote (if that is possible).

No Swansong
7th September 2007, 09:41 PM
Not allowing non-members to comment in business that isn't really theirs isn't isolating them.

Lisa0315
7th September 2007, 10:05 PM
Well that is why we have a discussion thread before we go to poll. We can have the sub forum, keep it open, and let the rules cover any violations. We are close to having a warning system now anyway. (Strike 3 Rule)

So, if it seems a bit snarky to have it closed, we do not HAVE to do that.

I like two option polls and I would rather everyone decide here, but if we have to, we can have a poll with more than a Yes or No.

Whatever y'all think is best...

Lisa

Greenthumb
7th September 2007, 10:24 PM
Well that is why we have a discussion thread before we go to poll. We can have the sub forum, keep it open, and let the rules cover any violations. We are close to having a warning system now anyway. (Strike 3 Rule)

So, if it seems a bit snarky to have it closed, we do not HAVE to do that.

I like two option polls and I would rather everyone decide here, but if we have to, we can have a poll with more than a Yes or No.

Whatever y'all think is best...

Lisa
Snarky...that's a good word. :)

I'm not particular about either open or closed, I would just like to see all this stuff in one area. Easier to weed through and find. Besides, it really doesn't concern those who aren't members, so why should they have to weed through it all either, unless they want to.

Tonks
8th September 2007, 01:46 AM
Semper Reformanda has a similar setup so I don't see the problem. Likewise, if a non-member starts a thread one can just move it to the debate subforum.

We can't say "you can't post here...period" but we can direct where they can post, IIRC.

Jim47
8th September 2007, 10:17 AM
Our policy directors reply to me



""Almost....

A subforum can be autonomous, until its rules and policies impact other forums or the site wide ones.

So, a subforum can make a rule to prohibit folks from reporting.

A subforum cannot make a rule which would affect a category, or the site.

Thus, to restrict members from posting in a report thread, is outside the domain of a subforum, as the report thread is in the category, not in the subforum. This however, doesn't preclude a category from creating some type of protocol to do so.

It is the same with a subforum trying to rewrite the appeals process. That is a site wide constraint.... However, this doesn't preclude a subforum from enacting some type of internal process to review their own threads.

This is the current thinking, we are still tweaking some documents to square things up. Hopefully sometime this weekend. I need to bug Erwin a bit more.""

Letalis
8th September 2007, 10:36 AM
So there is no objection?

Floodnut
8th September 2007, 01:13 PM
We had a closed sub forum for CREATIONISTS only, but TEs and Outright EVO-atheists still came in and disrupted and mocked and ridiculed the Creationists and their viewpoint, calling them liars and deceivers and ignoramuses, and Nazis, and equating them with Islamic fascists or violent jihadists. It was a joke.

Criada
8th September 2007, 01:19 PM
Can't really see that being too much of a problem on rule-making threads! :)

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 02:22 PM
Thing is, whether it's closed or not is less important than its being created, cos we can work out its logistics from *inside* it, but people are staying away from CC because it's so rulesy. Which means we're failing at the moment :(

LivingLifeHisWay
8th September 2007, 03:13 PM
I motion for the creation of a sub-forum for rules and polls. ::): Hey...it's worth a try.....

Letalis
8th September 2007, 03:47 PM
There seems to be enough support for it.

Are there any objections?

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 03:52 PM
No-one who's commented on it has said they object and it's been open for a little while, so it's looking fairly unanimous. People seem to either support it or don't mind either way.

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 03:54 PM
Is 4 days of discussion enough? I guess not all discussions have to go for a week or whatever. Niki is the OP and it is traditional for the OP to start the poll.

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 04:05 PM
I honestly don't think we need to poll this one. Hardly anyone has voted in the Fellowship/Debate one because everyone is tired of it all. Each poll or rules discussion drives people away. They're absolutely necessary, and they'll hold us in good stead, but if you look at our members list and at how many people are active, and how more and more people seem to be drifting away... this one is super-important, and another poll could tip the scales :(

Jim47
8th September 2007, 04:07 PM
Has evryone seen this?

http://foru.ms/t6060111-before-anything-else-has-a-snapshot-taken.html

Perhaps we should wait a few more days?

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 04:13 PM
Has evryone seen this?

http://foru.ms/t6060111-before-anything-else-has-a-snapshot-taken.html

Perhaps we should wait a few more days?For our FSB protocol and our fellowship/debate definitions, yeah, cos the announcement may clarify some stuff, but this one is the most pressing, and it doesn't clash with any site wide rules. It will make CC more hospitable, though, both for members and non-members.

Watching our numbers dwindle cos of all of the rulesy stuff is really, really sad :(

Letalis
8th September 2007, 04:13 PM
There's nothing that contradicts what's being proposed here. I have no problem waiting if that's what you all would prefer, though.

Criada
8th September 2007, 04:14 PM
Can we just clear it all away into a sub-forum now, and decicde whether or not it's closed later?

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 04:15 PM
Has evryone seen this?

http://foru.ms/t6060111-before-anything-else-has-a-snapshot-taken.html

Perhaps we should wait a few more days?

Exactly, what is a snapshot? All we have been doing is adding the rules, redating the title and closing it. Since we do not use wiki here, (rarely), we cannot "protect" our rules other than closing the thread. I have been practicing opening upon member request and closing the new rules upon member request with a member actually updating the rules. That is not always the case, but my preference, and an attempt to not violate MNPhysicist's announcement a week or so ago.

Lisa

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 04:17 PM
For our FSB protocol and our fellowship/debate definitions, yeah, cos the announcement may clarify some stuff, but this one is the most pressing, and it doesn't clash with any site wide rules. It will make CC more hospitable, though, both for members and non-members.

Watching our numbers dwindle cos of all of the rulesy stuff is really, really sad :(

Of all the members who have left, I don't know of a single one who has left because of the rules. I received PM's from every single member who has left, and rules were never the reason cited. :scratch:

Lisa

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 04:20 PM
I think we need to slow down a bit here folks. Only a handful of members have weighed in here. The discussion thread is supposed to take the place of the wiki in that this is where we are writing our rules. The poll is supposed to be the way (although not recommended by protocol, but not against the rules) we know for sure that the majority agrees to do this.

Lisa

Criada
8th September 2007, 04:22 PM
Of all the members who have left, I don't know of a single one who has left because of the rules. I received PM's from every single member who has left, and rules were never the reason cited. :scratch:

Lisa
Don't think it's so much people *officially* leaving, just that a lot don't come here very often cos it's all rulesy. Inevitable - but it would be good if we could just put it all out of the way, so it isn't the main focus...
(still don't think it should be closed, tho!)
:hug:

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 04:25 PM
Well, I will do as directed here. I am just trying to avoid what happened when the rules were changed and most of the members didn't even know about it.

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 04:35 PM
Of all the members who have left, I don't know of a single one who has left because of the rules. I received PM's from every single member who has left, and rules were never the reason cited. :scratch:

LisaSorry, my phrasing is rubbish :) I mean members who just aren't coming here and posting rather than people who have actively left the forum. My bad :)

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 04:39 PM
Sorry, my phrasing is rubbish :) I mean members who just aren't coming here and posting rather than people who have actively left the forum. My bad :)

I don't know if that is the reason or if it is because we currently have a bad reputation. Either way, anything we can do to improve on that, I am all for.

Lisa

Criada
8th September 2007, 04:45 PM
Free ice cream for all visitors? :P
(and members, obviously!)

LivingLifeHisWay
8th September 2007, 05:02 PM
Free ice cream for all visitors? :P
(and members, obviously!)


Mmmm I like icecream. :D

Jim47
8th September 2007, 05:38 PM
I have no problem using a poll, in fact I prefer it,
Wiki's are evil :P

But I do suggest that when it goes to a poll that the poll last at least 10 days. That way most members will have a chance to vote, Since wiki's usually take monthes I don't think 10 days is too long to wait.

Greenthumb
8th September 2007, 05:57 PM
I honestly don't think we need to poll this one. Hardly anyone has voted in the Fellowship/Debate one because everyone is tired of it all. Each poll or rules discussion drives people away. They're absolutely necessary, and they'll hold us in good stead, but if you look at our members list and at how many people are active, and how more and more people seem to be drifting away... this one is super-important, and another poll could tip the scales :(
I think opening a subforum for this is a great idea, as if you didn't figure that out from my previous posts. :doh: ;) And I meant to go vote in the other poll, but I forgot. :o :sorry:

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 06:00 PM
I think opening a subforum for this is a great idea, as if you didn't figure that out from my previous posts. :doh: ;) And I meant to go vote in the other poll, but I forgot. :o :sorry::hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: We're all poll-weary. But once we've got the sub-forum, things will be better :clap:

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:01 PM
I have no problem using a poll, in fact I prefer it,
Wiki's are evil :P

But I do suggest that when it goes to a poll that the poll last at least 10 days. That way most members will have a chance to vote, Since wiki's usually take monthes I don't think 10 days is too long to wait.

"Wikis Are Evil!" should be our motto! ^_^

We didn't really get a final vote on the Rules Protocol. I don't even remember why now, but we were leaning towards 7-10 days for every poll. Generally, that gives every member time to vote. We have alot of members here, but only about 30 who are regulars.

Discussion threads could be as short as three days. We have passed that, but the time frame is generally when we have plenty of members chiming in. What is hateful about polls is if we haven't discussed long enough and then members want to change something. You can't change mid poll because those members who have already voted might feel a bit cheated.

Short of another Alpha team, we just do the best that we can on each rule.

Lisa

Greenthumb
8th September 2007, 06:09 PM
Wiki's are evil :P

"Wikis Are Evil!" should be our motto! ^_^Maybe we could get a sign made for the armoury? ;) :D

Macrina
8th September 2007, 06:13 PM
Please let's get a subforum made quickly. Keep it open. Talk about the rest of these questions in the subforum. But please let's make a subforum right away, so we can clear out the policy-development threads!

Part of our bad reputation is that we are always making rules upon rules, and when half our threads are policy-related, it's hard to refute that.

Please. I know the policies are super-important, but not everyone has the mind or the energy for it, and some are driven away because of it. I have a hard time feeling like I belong to this forum because I'm not a policy person. If policy questions were less dominant, then I might feel more at home here. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way -- maybe I'm just the only one who says it. ;)

What is preventing us from making an open subforum? No one objects to that.

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:15 PM
I am not sure that Niki is here today, but someone, please go ahead and set up the poll.

Lisa

Criada
8th September 2007, 06:16 PM
Please let's get a subforum made quickly. Keep it open. Talk about the rest of these questions in the subforum. But please let's make a subforum right away, so we can clear out the policy-development threads!

Part of our bad reputation is that we are always making rules upon rules, and when half our threads are policy-related, it's hard to refute that.

Please. I know the policies are super-important, but not everyone has the mind or the energy for it, and some are driven away because of it. I have a hard time feeling like I belong to this forum because I'm not a policy person. If policy questions were less dominant, then I might feel more at home here. I know I'm not the only one who feels this way -- maybe I'm just the only one who says it. ;)

What is preventing us from making an open subforum? No one objects to that.
:amen:
Please!

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:17 PM
I mean, I don't guess we HAVE to go to poll on this. There is no rule that says we must.

Lisa

Criada
8th September 2007, 06:18 PM
Surely we can move stuff without a 10 day poll?
Then have a poll to decide whether it should be open or closed..

Greenthumb
8th September 2007, 06:19 PM
Surely we can move stuff without a 10 day poll?
Then have a poll to decide whether it should be open or closed..
That's a good idea. :)

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:22 PM
Okay. This is not like a rule that people will be enforced by. How do we create the subforum? :scratch: I can move all of the rules stuff there once it is created, but I do not know how to create a whole new forum. Jim?

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 06:24 PM
Letalis can create it.

Macrina
8th September 2007, 06:25 PM
I'll bet Brother Letalis can help! :clap:

Macrina
8th September 2007, 06:25 PM
Oh, are we really gonna do it? WOOOOOOOO!!!! :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu:


(I think it's a good idea. ;) )

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:26 PM
Cool. I also sent a PM to Supes and our mod trainees. Whomever can do it is fine. I will move everything as soon as it is available.

Lisa

Criada
8th September 2007, 06:27 PM
Oh, are we really gonna do it? WOOOOOOOO!!!! :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu:


(I think it's a good idea. ;) )


You seem a bit unsure...^_^


:clap: :pink: :clap: :pink: :clap: :pink: :clap:

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 06:29 PM
Oh, are we really gonna do it? WOOOOOOOO!!!! :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu: :tutu:


(I think it's a good idea. ;) )Heh, it looks like an alien race chorus-line :P

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:31 PM
Heh, it looks like an alien race chorus-line :P

It reminds me of Madeline L'Engle's book, A Wrinkle in Time. Anyone ever read that?

Lisa

Macrina
8th September 2007, 06:40 PM
Cool. I also sent a PM to Supes and our mod trainees. Whomever can do it is fine. I will move everything as soon as it is available.

Lisa

Yay Lisa! WOOOOOOO!!! :clap: :cool: :clap: :cool: :clap: :cool: :clap: :cool: :clap:

You seem a bit unsure...^_^


:clap: :pink: :clap: :pink: :clap: :pink: :clap:

^_^




:cry: :cry: :cry: I'm just so :cry: happy:cry: that we're not going to have another poll. :cry: *sniff* :cry: :cry: :cry:

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:43 PM
Okay, I got the WORD. We are definitely okay to move forward on this. Before I send a PM to request it from Geo, buttermilk, or Letalis, I need to know what you guys want to call it.

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 06:47 PM
Rules and Policy Sub-Forum

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:50 PM
Rules and Policy Sub-Forum

That was my exact thought as well. :)

Lisa

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:50 PM
Everybody good with that? We could call it "Wiki's Are Evil!" ^_^

Lisa

Macrina
8th September 2007, 06:54 PM
Maybe "wikis are evil" can be a subtitle. ;)

Greenthumb
8th September 2007, 06:55 PM
Rules and Policy Sub-Forum
Sounds good to me.

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 06:57 PM
It would make DrStevej over the moon...^_^

OkieDokie, Sending PM to get our new Rules and Policies SubForum up and running!

Lisa

Letalis
8th September 2007, 07:06 PM
Will do this now. :)

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 07:07 PM
Yaaaaay!! Thank you! :hug: :clap:

Letalis
8th September 2007, 07:08 PM
http://foru.ms/f834

Lisa0315
8th September 2007, 07:08 PM
Yaaaaay!! Thank you! :hug: :clap:

Hey, Why don't you ask Jo or Jim or whomever your trainer is to see if you can move stuff as part of your training. Either way, I don't mind doing it myself. Just thought I would offer...

Lisa

GreenMunchkin
8th September 2007, 07:16 PM
Cheers :) I asked Jim, so just waiting for the yay or nay now :)

Nicki4Christ
10th September 2007, 11:38 AM
I am so glad this took off. :) Thank you Lisa for the idea to start this thread. I was at the beach this weekend, so I was not here. But I am really glad we could come together and make this happen without a poll!!

:)