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GerTzedek
4th September 2007, 06:19 PM
The Templemount Faithful are a group which try each year to conduct a sacrifice on the foundations of the Temple (near the Western Wall) using a portable altar. They base this on the writings that during the time of Ezra, sacrifices began on the foundation of the second Temple before it was complete.

I realize that the secular government of Israel doesn't take the Templemount Faithful seriously, and rather considers them a threat to stability of Jerusalem (a possilbe cause of Muslim rioting).

Does the Sanhedron take them seriously?

What stand does the Sanhedron take regarding a third Temple?

muffler dragon
4th September 2007, 08:52 PM
The Templemount Faithful are a group which try each year to conduct a sacrifice on the foundations of the Temple (near the Western Wall) using a portable altar. They base this on the writings that during the time of Ezra, sacrifices began on the foundation of the second Temple before it was complete.

I realize that the secular government of Israel doesn't take the Templemount Faithful seriously, and rather considers them a threat to stability of Jerusalem (a possilbe cause of Muslim rioting).

Does the Sanhedron take them seriously?

What stand does the Sanhedron take regarding a third Temple?

What Sanhedrin?

The group of scholars/rabbis that make up that group in Israel doesn't really have any authority at present (if this is the group your asking about).

GerTzedek
4th September 2007, 08:55 PM
What Sanhedrin?

The group of scholars/rabbis that make up that group in Israel doesn't really have any authority at present (if this is the group your asking about).
Presently in Israel, people may choose between the civil courts and taking their cases to a beit din. The Sanhedron may currently lack power, but it exists. The day will come when the civil govenment will lose its credibility. Everything is in place.

TheRabbi
5th September 2007, 11:04 AM
The Sanhedrin that is in place at this time is made up of 70 Rabbis from every part of the spectrum of Orthodox Judaism. Some of the greatest Rabbinic minds of this generation sit on the Sanhedrin. Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz, the first Nasi of the Sanhedrin, is the only human to have put together a commentary on the entire Talmud. The Steinsaltz Talmud is a standard study text in Yeshivos all over the world.

Having said that, the Sanhedrin's purpose is not to start "Running the show". Their purpose is to set the foundations of the organization. They want to put an organizational structure in place and gather information. Rabbi Elyashiv (Leader of Ashkenazi Jewry) does not sit on the Sanhedrin, but he has his own representative sitting on the Sanhedrin.

To say that a unified organization of 70 highly respected Orthodox Rabbis has no authority, is a bit of a stretch. Especially since the highest authorities in the Orthodox world recognize them as "THE" Beis Din for Bnei Noach.

Many of these rabbis are considered great authorities in and of themselves. People who oppose the idea love to make noise and say that the Sanhedrin has no authority. This is usually because the rabbi they associate themselves with was not consulted during the early stages when the smicha process was being renewed.

TheRabbi
5th September 2007, 11:15 AM
The Temple mount faithful are a fringe group made up of about four people, headed by a man named Gershon Solomon. Gershon is not a religious Jew and says that he mainly wants a temple as a nationalistic symbol. He is banned from ascending the temple mount and the mainline temple mount organizations try to keep from being associated with him.

Last Passover, the Sanhedrin bought a herd of Sheep and Sanhedrin member Rabbi/Professor Hillel Weiss petitioned the Supreme court to allow the building of an altar on the mount for the Pesach offering. The high court naturally rejected this petition as they have done in the past. But in their decision, they added that they have taken into consideration the pain caused by Jewish rights being suppressed at Judaism's holiest site. This was a very big deal.

stone
5th September 2007, 11:32 AM
The entire time that the jews have retaken their land back, all of the surrounding countries have tried, and to this day conitinue to attempt and push the Israeli's into the sea. How is takeing the mount back and destroying that thing on it going to make any differences from the surrounding countries from how they respond today?

I know that the common answer is that they fear the beginning of world war 3, but i can't help to think that, that implies very little faith in g-d to come through for you, as i know he will.

TheRabbi
5th September 2007, 11:33 AM
The two mainline Temple organizations are the Temple Institute and the Tnuah Lkinun HaMikdash. The Temple institute started small, but now it's filled daily with public school groups and their Machzorim are standard Bar-Mitzvah gifts in Israel. The menorah they built is one of the most popular postcard photos in Israel and the Israel museum consults them for any Temple related project. Sometimes things start small and gradually gain a foothold. Every orthodoxy begins as a heresy.

TheRabbi
5th September 2007, 11:40 AM
The entire time that the jews have retaken their land back, all of the surrounding countries have tried, and to this day conitinue to attempt and push the Israeli's into the sea. How is takeing the mount back and destroying that thing on it going to make any differences from the surrounding countries from how they respond today?

I know that the common answer is that they fear the beginning of world war 3, but i can't help to think that, that implies very little faith in g-d to come through for you, as i know he will.
I agree. Anytime we mention the temple mount, they always schlep out the old "world war III" line. When the government reopened the temple mount to non-muslims, the Arabs promised WWIII. They swore to send human waves of Shihadim to spill their blood for Al Aksa. They huffed and puffed for a few days and then forgot all about it. It's all hype and scare. If the Arabs even thought they had any remote hope of backing up their WWIII threat, they would have done it a looooooong time ago.

GerTzedek
5th September 2007, 01:10 PM
The Temple mount faithful are a fringe group made up of about four people, headed by a man named Gershon Solomon. Gershon is not a religious Jew and says that he mainly wants a temple as a nationalistic symbol. He is banned from ascending the temple mount and the mainline temple mount organizations try to keep from being associated with him.

Last Passover, the Sanhedrin bought a herd of Sheep and Sanhedrin member Rabbi/Professor Hillel Weiss petitioned the Supreme court to allow the building of an altar on the mount for the Pesach offering. The high court naturally rejected this petition as they have done in the past. But in their decision, they added that they have taken into consideration the pain caused by Jewish rights being suppressed at Judaism's holiest site. This was a very big deal.
Ahhhhh! See, this is what I have wanted for so long. Someone actually in Israel to tell me how things actually are. It's so hard to sort through what I hear. I heard about what happened last Passover... :( But it was just a few sentences, no detail about who had been in charge of it.