Jesus is an Edomite

[visionary]

http://foru.ms/t6016491-you-dare-say-the-ot-is-done-away.html&page=13

.......................According to Strong's Greek Lexicon, the English word "Jewry" in this verse was translated from the Greek word #2449 Ioudaia {ee-oo-dah'-yah} feminine for the land of Judea. Modern translations no longer use the word "Jewry" but the correct translation, "Judea," as in the New American Standard Bible: "And after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him." The New International Version uses the same word. However, these translations continue to improperly use the word "Jews" in the same verse. A consistent translation would read: ". . . He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Judeans were seeking to kill Him."


Had Jesus been a Judean it is very likely He would have been an Edomite, not a kinsman to Adam, and thereby disqualified from being the Holy One of Israel, the last Adam, who was born to redeem the first (Leviticus 25; Ruth). Were Jesus a so-called Jew He would not have been Messiah whom the Lord prophesied would dwell in Galilee of the Gentiles (Isaiah 9:1-7). Jesus did not live in Judea and dared not walk in Jewry (i.e. Judea), "for fear of the Jews" who sought to kill Him.

[ChazakEmunah]

http://foru.ms/t6016491-you-dare-say-the-ot-is-done-away.html&page=13

.......................According to Strong's Greek Lexicon, the English word "Jewry" in this verse was translated from the Greek word #2449 Ioudaia {ee-oo-dah'-yah} feminine for the land of Judea. Modern translations no longer use the word "Jewry" but the correct translation, "Judea," as in the New American Standard Bible: "And after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him." The New International Version uses the same word. However, these translations continue to improperly use the word "Jews" in the same verse. A consistent translation would read: ". . . He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Judeans were seeking to kill Him."


Had Jesus been a Judean it is very likely He would have been an Edomite, not a kinsman to Adam, and thereby disqualified from being the Holy One of Israel, the last Adam, who was born to redeem the first (Leviticus 25; Ruth). Were Jesus a so-called Jew He would not have been Messiah whom the Lord prophesied would dwell in Galilee of the Gentiles (Isaiah 9:1-7). Jesus did not live in Judea and dared not walk in Jewry (i.e. Judea), "for fear of the Jews" who sought to kill Him.

A "so-called Jew?" C'mon vis, that's not cool.

[visionary]

Yeah, I thought that when I seen it posted on another section of the forum... Had to see if any of you have seen the likes.

[Steve Petersen]

Somebody brought that up here once.

How do you get from Idumaen (Edomite) to Iudaos (Judaean)?

[visionary]

Sad day when they take away Yeshua's heritage.

[ChazakEmunah]

Yeah, I thought that when I seen it posted on another section of the forum... Had to see if any of you have seen the likes.
Oh you were asking if anyone else had heard that before? My bad... You really should clarify yourself better. ;)

[GerTzedek]

vis:

A lot of anti-semitics try to say that Jesus isn't a Jew, and that the Jews aren't really Israel. You stumbled onto one of their websites. There is lots and lots and lots of garbage on the web. I've run into these Jew-haters in chats for decades. Sometimes they pop into Christian rooms and try to sell their vomit. Usually I get kicked out of the Christian chats for calling them the Anti-Semites that they are, LOL. But at least they are exposed.

[visionary]

vis:

A lot of anti-semitics try to say that Jesus isn't a Jew, and that the Jews aren't really Israel. You stumbled onto one of their websites. There is lots and lots and lots of garbage on the web. I've run into these Jew-haters in chats for decades. Sometimes they pop into Christian rooms and try to sell their vomit. Usually I get kicked out of the Christian chats for calling them the Anti-Semites that they are, LOL. But at least they are exposed.Hey it is that thread over in Necene Theology that you invited everyone to, that I got this post. http://foru.ms/t6016491-you-dare-say...y.html&page=13

[GerTzedek]

Hey it is that thread over in Necene Theology that you invited everyone to, that I got this post. http://foru.ms/t6016491-you-dare-say...y.html&page=13
LOL, vis, are you TRYING to get me to loose my temper and get kicked out of here??????

I will let the others handle the excrement she is dishing out. Most Christians will not accept another calling Yeshua a descendent of Esau. And they won't come out swinging the JDL hammer the way I would.

I had to edit out all the mean things I said behind her back. Lashon hara...

[Bananna]

http://foru.ms/t6016491-you-dare-say-the-ot-is-done-away.html&page=13

.......................According to Strong's Greek Lexicon, the English word "Jewry" in this verse was translated from the Greek word #2449 Ioudaia {ee-oo-dah'-yah} feminine for the land of Judea. Modern translations no longer use the word "Jewry" but the correct translation, "Judea," as in the New American Standard Bible: "And after these things Jesus was walking in Galilee; for He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Jews were seeking to kill Him." The New International Version uses the same word. However, these translations continue to improperly use the word "Jews" in the same verse. A consistent translation would read: ". . . He was unwilling to walk in Judea, because the Judeans were seeking to kill Him."


Had Jesus been a Judean it is very likely He would have been an Edomite, not a kinsman to Adam, and thereby disqualified from being the Holy One of Israel, the last Adam, who was born to redeem the first (Leviticus 25; Ruth). Were Jesus a so-called Jew He would not have been Messiah whom the Lord prophesied would dwell in Galilee of the Gentiles (Isaiah 9:1-7). Jesus did not live in Judea and dared not walk in Jewry (i.e. Judea), "for fear of the Jews" who sought to kill Him.
We are all related to Adam I think you meant someone besides Adam...

bananna

[visionary]

We are all related to Adam I think you meant someone besides Adam...

banannaHey... Everyone... The quotes are not mine. They are a shock to me that someone who even consider this and then say the believe in Yeshua. Oh... that right.. they say they believe in Jesus.. What that expains it... wasn't it the Edomites that moved to Roman?

[visionary]

Now it makes sense...
The Spirit of God identifies Edom with Babylon. (See Ps. 137:7 and 8.) "Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom, in the day of Jerusalem, who said Raze it, raze it," (i.e. make bare or destroy the Temple, as Edom did under the Romans,) "even to the foundation thereof." "O daughter of Babylon," &c. Here we see, without any possibility of mistake, that Edom is Babylon , and all sacred and profane history confirms it. Chaldea, or Babylon, was established by Assyria. Isaiah 23:13, says, "Behold the land of the Chaldeans, this people was not till the Assyrian founded it for them. The capital of Chaldea was Babylon. The Assyrian empire embraced the country on both sides of the Tigris. Babel, or Babylon, was founded by Nimrod, (see Gen. x. 10,) about A. M. 3416. The Assyrians descended from Taurus, and Caucasus conquered and destroyed Jerusalem, together with Syria; and these, with Phoenicia, became the Roman Empire, and was called Chaldea; as it was in the time of Jesus under Tiberius Caesar. (See Luke 3:1.) From the East the Chaldeans, or Romans, peopled all the west; first Italy, Rome, France, Germany, England and America. Rome was founded by Romulus, 750 B. C. After Jesus 325, Christianity became the established religion, under Constantine;* hence Babylon, Rome, Edom, and Christianity are synonymous.

http://www.jewish-history.com/Cresson/cresson25.html

[Steve Petersen]

In Rabbinic writings Rome is referred to as Edom (by virtue of Herod's Edomite origins.)

But if you are saying that Italy was settled by Edomites or Assyrians or Phonecians, I think most historians would disagree. There were settlements from various nations on the Italian penninsula, but I seem to recall that the Roman people themselves were descendants of the Etruscans.

[visionary]

In Rabbinic writings Rome is referred to as Edom (by virtue of Herod's Edomite origins.)

But if you are saying that Italy was settled by Edomites or Assyrians or Phonecians, I think most historians would disagree.The quote came from JewishHistory website. They made the connection.

On another website came more insight into this analogy and where and why it happened.

An examination of other Talmudic sources related to this problem reveals that it had not been completely resolved by the Sages of Yavneh. The first chapter of tractate Sanhedrin deals at length with leap-years; why and when they were decided upon, and the procedure involved. Incidentally, the Talmud records there an interesting episode. It was during the time when Rome had become Christian (c. 330) and Jews were prohibited from observing their religious practices, including the declaration of a leap-year, without which the Jewish festivals could not be properly designated and observed. It became necessary, therefore, for the High Court in Erez Yisrael to adopt clandestine measures by which to advise the Jews in the Diaspora that a leap-year had been declared. The Court dispatched a missive to Raba, head of the Academy in Mehoza-Babylonia (338-352), in language that could be understood only by Jews as referring to the declaration of a leap-year. Thus, the word neziv (prefect) alluded to a month, since King Solomon had appointed twelve prefects governing all Israel (I Kings 4:7), and the word edomi (Edomite) alluded to Rome, "who would not allow us to add a neziv to the year" (B. Sanhedrin 12a). http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-14234288.html"edomite" seems to be an insulting term.

[Steve Petersen]

I did a little more work on this. According to sources cited at Wikipedia, Italy was first settled by people from the Iberian penninsula or from the Danube region in the Stone Age or Early Bronze age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Italy

See the link in the article to the Terramare peoples.

[visionary]

Haman, the descendant of Edom, the eternal enemy of Israel.... Herod, an Edomite.... So for a connection between Jesus and Edomites is the highest of insults that could be given.