Non-members reporting posts, etc

[GreenMunchkin]

Hiya, everyone! I think we've kind of ascertained that most of us aren't overly chuffed with what's been happening, and Letalis has found out that we can write it into our wiki who can and, more imprtantly, can't report posts in CC and who can, and can't, participate in CC reports.

If a non-member has been reported, it's only fair that they be allowed to explain their position in the actual report, but aside from that, we can specify that no non-member be allowed to participate.

Assuming we get a definitive vote, we'll need to wiki it and snapshot it fairly quickly, so I'll only make this a 3-day poll, if that's ok?

I know we've already talked about it, but please talk about it in here if you want to, or if you think of anything :hug::hug:

(Also, I bugsy Hen to write it... :P)

[Greenthumb]

Um...been a little awol as of late and don't really know what all is going on about here. :blush:

So what you're saying is that if a non-member's post is reported, they can defend themselves or participate in the report, but other non-members who have nothing to do with the thread, post or issue will not be allowed to post in the report? And...are we also addressing those who may just pop in and read something and report something, but are not members and do not contribute in anyway to this forum? Hmm...I think I just confused myself.

[GreenMunchkin]

Hey, sweetie :hug:

This (http://foru.ms/t6025671-liberal-christians-reporting-in-cc.html) is the discussion thread about it all, and this (http://foru.ms/t6025220-conservative-christians-mrjim-09-02-2007.html) is the latest report that broke the camel's back.

[Greenthumb]

Okay...I think I get it now. :)

[desmalia]

This is really needed. In addition, the report decisions should not be made by liberal or non-Christian mods.

This sort of garbage happens to the Fundamentalist section too. Non-fundies go in there regularly only to report pretty much anything they disagree with. And they often get their way. Not good.

[Lisa0315]

Okay, I do not know where Hen is at the moment, but I will take a shot at this:

Non-members may not report Member posts in CCC forums. Non-members may not participate in reports on CCC members for posts written within Conservative Christians forums. If a non-member is reported within a CCC forum, they may participate in the report to defend themselves or explain their post.

[ContentInHim]

Okay, I do not know where Hen is at the moment, but I will take a shot at this:

Non-members may not report Member posts in CCC forums. Non-members may not participate in reports on CCC members for posts written within Conservative Christians forums. If a non-member is reported within a CCC forum, they may participate in the report to defend themselves or explain their post.
Sounds like a good start!

[Criada]

Haven't voted - to be honest, am really unsure about this...
Cos - it seems to be giving members of this forum the right to say what they like about people without comeback.
And - really - shouldn't we be trying to ensure that we speak to guests here repectfully, even where we don't agree with them.
In which case, they wouldn't need to report us anyway...

1 Peter 3
15 But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander

[Miss Shelby]

I said no because it seems this offense is predominatley being made by one person. I say we deal with the individual because I don't like creating a rule that will apply to several people when only one person is currently trolling and reporting stuff. It's also handing her a lot of power, she's single handedly making us become more restrictive.
(or he whatever the case may be--she told me she's female but apparently she uses the male icon)

Also, I reported someone in WWMC today. I would feel hypocritical doing that if we have a rule against it.

[GreenMunchkin]

I had the same thoughts, actually, Miss. In terms of allowing *one* person to force us to alter stuff. But this same person, for some inasane reason, is absolutely determined to impose herself upon this forum.

http://foru.ms/t6026753-very-concerned-should-this-become-common-practice-here.html

If we have to do something drastic to become self-sustaining without any persistent outside trolling and involvement, it's irritating beyond belief, but necessary.

[GreenMunchkin]

EP, why did you vote? You're well aware you're not entitled to :)

[Hentenza]

Hey guys,

I am going to pray about this rule for a little while. The need for this rule is somewhat cloudy for me right now.:sorry:

[GreenMunchkin]

Oof, Hen, if you can come up with a less draconian alternative, that'd be great. This really is a last resort thing :(

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

EP, why did you vote? You're well aware you're not entitled to :)
Neither is TOM...though I'm not sure if he knows it.

[GreenMunchkin]

Isn't TOM on our membership list? :scratch: I remember the name, for sure.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I'm very encouraged by this post (http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=38440398&postcount=10)...

I'm afraid you have this inverted. Forum and subforum rules can supercede sitewide rules. Otherwise, the sitewide rules could prohibit a congregation from being able to share their faith, or infringe on them in any number of ways. Subforum rules, policies, and protocols may also supercede the site wide rules, policies and protocols and are only constrained by the 5 principles, rules ver 1.0, and a few other specific mandates. There was an annoucement made on this a while back, but we need to make some tweaks, and then republish it.

Now, it may be that in the future, forums, subforums and the site wide rules may wish to have greater convergence, and the members can certainly create rules with that in mind.

In the ideal world, the forum and subforum rules would be further expansions of the site wide rules. That level of continuity and cooperation is probably long into the future, as with the current site wide rule set, we would end up having to shut down approximately 20 or so forums as their existence would be prohibited.

And yes, subforums can determine their own protocol for rules handling, that includes issues up to and including the issuance of FSB's, but they cannot create their own rules for normal or emergency bans, as those are outside their jurisdiction. An example of this, is that some forums and subforums are already working on implementing a warning system, to help with the issuance of FSB's.

That being said, that even though a forum or subforum can limit who can report, there are secondary issues such that doing so can be problematic. Ie, if someone spams porn, that needs to be dealt with by whomever is around. It should not have to wait for a subforum or forum member to report it.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Isn't TOM on our membership list? :scratch: I remember the name, for sure.
I don't believe so...not this particular TOM. I just double checked. He's not in the sign in thread.

[GreenMunchkin]

I don't believe so...not this particular TOM. I just double checked. He's not in the sign in thread.Maybe he was added to the list that got scrapped? But, no, if he's not on your list, his vote needs to be deleted, too.

Been thinking about this, and the fact we have to do something this drastic is horrible. Do you reckon there *is* an alternative?

[Criada]

[COLOR=#008000]Been thinking about this, and the fact we have to do something this drastic is horrible. Do you reckon there *is* an alternative?

Very much praying that there is!!
:hug:

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Maybe he was added to the list that got scrapped? But, no, if he's not on your list, his vote needs to be deleted, too.

Been thinking about this, and the fact we have to do something this drastic is horrible. Do you reckon there *is* an alternative?
Well, what this whole situation tells me is that we really do need to be able to ban people from our forum. Would you agree that this would be a situation that would warrant it?

I don't see a problem with a rule that bars non-members from reporting posts in CC and participating in CC reports. Trying to put the shoe on the other foot actually. How would I feel if I went into the lib forum and found an out and out flame post against me and wasn't able to report it? Not sure I would care to be honest. I think this rule is a necessary evil...don't like it, but it seems it has to be done.

[ContentInHim]

Well, what this whole situation tells me is that we really do need to be able to ban people from our forum. Would you agree that this would be a situation that would warrant it?

I don't see a problem with a rule that bars non-members from reporting posts in CC and participating in CC reports. Trying to put the shoe on the other foot actually. How would I feel if I went into the lib forum and found an out and out flame post against me and wasn't able to report it? Not sure I would care to be honest. I think this rule is a necessary evil...don't like it, but it seems it has to be done.
I've not voted yet but this is sort of where I'm at also!

I just strolled through WWMC for the first time in years and I have to be honest that I really want to stick some fingers down my throat and throw up. This is why I don't go there and report their posts! And why I won't go back anytime soon. Why they are soooo obsessed with us, I have no idea. Proper medication would probably be helpful for their OCD. :)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I've not voted yet but this is sort of where I'm at also!

I just strolled through WWMC for the first time in years and I have to be honest that I really want to stick some fingers down my throat and throw up. This is why I don't go there and report their posts! And why I won't go back anytime soon. Why they are soooo obsessed with us, I have no idea. Proper medication would probably be helpful for their OCD. :)
^_^ Yep...let's bring out the cod liver oil. :P ;)

[GreenMunchkin]

That's sort of the thing. The flaming in there is awful. It isn't in here. So we're very much on the defense. I know I'd never report a WWMC post, because that's their domain, and their safe haven. This is ours. But, truthfully, it's *one* person causing all the problems for us. Ugh.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

That's sort of the thing. The flaming in there is awful. It isn't in here. So we're very much on the defense. I know I'd never report a WWMC post, because that's their domain, and their safe haven. This is ours. But, truthfully, it's *one* person causing all the problems for us. Ugh.
If it weren't her it would be someone else I think.

What I don't get is why the morbid curiosity on their part? Do any of them think they will change our minds by acting against us like they do?

It's so reminiscent of the attitude of homosexuals. It's not enough that they be allowed to choose their way of life but they want everyone to pat them on the back for it and say "well done". :doh:

[Lisa0315]

Okay, I just typed a long rant, but I am not going to stir things up.

Y'all may or may not know that there is a wiki discussion in Support discussing this rule. Guess who the OP is. Anyway, do me a big favor. If you go participate, please stay rational. It is enough to make me pop an artery. I posted my thoughts and left. Pray for me that I stay calm when posting there.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Oh, and ignore the non-member vote in this poll. It will be removed at the end.

Lisa

[Hentenza]

Okay, I just typed a long rant, but I am not going to stir things up.

Y'all may or may not know that there is a wiki discussion in Support discussing this rule. Guess who the OP is. Anyway, do me a big favor. If you go participate, please stay rational. It is enough to make me pop an artery. I posted my thoughts and left. Pray for me that I stay calm when posting there.

Lisa

Yeah, I posted my thoughts also. I pray that the sups and admins can nip this before we have to go through with this. If they don't then I think we have no choice but to protect ourselves. The selfishness and childlike behavior that Roshir has shown is not becoming a moderator and it shows her inability to being partial. She needs to be dealt with.

[GreenMunchkin]

It was the wording in her post, too. As if we flame people all the time, and don't want anyone being able to stop us. Argh!!

But, something just struck me. God may use that, because people will obviously follow her link, and they may lurk a little and see how very unlike that it is, and maybe the loveliness of the forum will be a witness to people :clap:

God is aces like that :hug: Yay God!! :clap:

[Lisa0315]

Yeah, I posted my thoughts also. I pray that the sups and admins can nip this before we have to go through with this. If they don't then I think we have no choice but to protect ourselves. The selfishness and childlike behavior that Roshir has shown is not becoming a moderator and it shows her inability to being partial. She needs to be dealt with.

Well, one thing that some forums are doing are initiating warning systems again. We could potentially do that if we are not allowed to do that. That would be a slower way to take care of the problems, but it would do it eventually. I just have a feeling that if we get rid of one problem, then, another will be "recruited" to take their place.

Okay, I gotta shut my mouth before I stop acting like a mod. When I think of Mr Jim going a little loco over this and losing him...and STILL it goes on!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Lisa, Hen and I have been chatting a little, and he reminded me y'all are on a 3-day weekend (and you only told me yesterday :doh:) so please can this be extended to the usual 7 days? Otherwise we probably aren't getting an accurate representation of of how the entire forum feels. Sorry about that, everyone :hug:

[Hentenza]

Well, one thing that some forums are doing are initiating warning systems again. We could potentially do that if we are not allowed to do that. That would be a slower way to take care of the problems, but it would do it eventually. I just have a feeling that if we get rid of one problem, then, another will be "recruited" to take their place.

Okay, I gotta shut my mouth before I stop acting like a mod. When I think of Mr Jim going a little loco over this and losing him...and STILL it goes on!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Lisa

Lisa, I read MrJim's post last night and cringed. I happen to like him a lot but his reaction was not very well thought out. With that being said, if Roshir would not have posted, the whole thing could have been avoided.
I pray that Christ gives MrJim peace of mind and the wisdom to return to work through this. :prayer:

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, Hen and I have been chatting a little, and he reminded me y'all are on a 3-day weekend (and you only told me yesterday :doh:) so please can this be extended to the usual 7 days? Otherwise we probably aren't getting an accurate representation of of how the entire forum feels. Sorry about that, everyone :hug:

Sure will...

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Poll has been extended until September 9th.

The POWAH, THE POWAH!! :ebil:

Sorry, I really love my mod tools. :sorry:

Lisa

[Hentenza]

Poll has been extended until September 9th.

The POWAH, THE POWAH!! :ebil:

Sorry, I really love my mod tools. :sorry:

Lisa

^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^:P:P:P:P

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Poll has been extended until September 9th.

The POWAH, THE POWAH!! :ebil:

Sorry, I really love my mod tools. :sorry:

Lisa

:eek: :help:


^_^

[FriendsFellowship]

Well guys, I haven't voted yet, but I'm inclined to vote no.

As a Conservative Christian, at least in my thinking, we are to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Flaming of anyone, no matter how much trolling is going on should not be tolerated. If it is, what kind of example are we setting for others? Biblically, we should turn the other cheek.

CC should not be a safe place to speak badly about others. Period.

[GreenMunchkin]

Well guys, I haven't voted yet, but I'm inclined to vote no.

As a Conservative Christian, at least in my thinking, we are to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Flaming of anyone, no matter how much trolling is going on should not be tolerated. If it is, what kind of example are we setting for others? Biblically, we should turn the other cheek.

CC should not be a safe place to speak badly about others. Period.Woah, Marty, that's not what it's about. Honestly. Have you read the thread and report that led to all this?

[Lisa0315]

Well guys, I haven't voted yet, but I'm inclined to vote no.

As a Conservative Christian, at least in my thinking, we are to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Flaming of anyone, no matter how much trolling is going on should not be tolerated. If it is, what kind of example are we setting for others? Biblically, we should turn the other cheek.

CC should not be a safe place to speak badly about others. Period.

This is not about flaming others. It is about one Liberal Mod who has taken it upon herself to try to control and manipulate this forum. She currently has a wiki discussion trying to stop our liberty of creating this rule. If it is voted down by membership, no problem. However, no one outside of this forum should be telling us what we can and cannot do here. Plus, the only reason this rule has come up is because members are trying to find a way to get her to stop trolling specifically just to report people. It is causing people to get so angry that they do dumb things and end up getting reports outside of this forum. We even lost a member today because he could not take it anymore.

Lisa

[tulc]

:sigh:

[GreenMunchkin]

Really? I'm just wondering which of the threads did you look at? I went looking and couldn't find anything that seemed about you guys. Do you remember any names of the threads? :scratch:
tulc(kind of curious) :):wave: I rather took exception to the post/s claiming all us conservatives need to come out of the closet :)

[Lisa0315]

Really? I'm just wondering which of the threads did you look at? I went looking and couldn't find anything that seemed about you guys. Do you remember any names of the threads? :scratch:
tulc(kind of curious) :)

Tulc, Don't right now, okay. People are upset. This is going to just provoke more.

Lisa

[FriendsFellowship]

This is not about flaming others. It is about one Liberal Mod who has taken it upon herself to try to control and manipulate this forum. She currently has a wiki discussion trying to stop our liberty of creating this rule. If it is voted down by membership, no problem. However, no one outside of this forum should be telling us what we can and cannot do here. Plus, the only reason this rule has come up is because members are trying to find a way to get her to stop trolling specifically just to report people. It is causing people to get so angry that they do dumb things and end up getting reports outside of this forum. We even lost a member today because he could not take it anymore.

Lisa

This rule is exactly about flaming.

If there was no flame in the post, there would have been no report.

It's that simple.

[tulc]

:sigh:

[tulc]

:sigh:

[GreenMunchkin]

Tulc? :hug: You only asked a question. Tis completely ok :hug:

EDIT: Just saw Lisa's post :) I get what you're saying, sis, but I think Tulc is genuinely trying to understand. That can only be a good thing, I think. Have never known him to be snarky. Tis really good you're looking out for the forum, though :hug:

[JimfromOhio]

I can't decide what to vote for yet. Its too early for me to decide.

[Hentenza]

This rule is exactly about flaming.

If there was no flame in the post, there would have been no report.

It's that simple.

FF,

The problem is that the report came from some one that has been asked asked time and time again to not get involved in CC. She has been asked very politely, however, she continues to not just post here, but also get involved in the running of this forum. This is unacceptable.
This person is a mod trainee that should show the maturity required to exact the self discipline needed to be impartial. However, her actions are contradictory to her mod functions. This is a problem that, if not nipped now, will grow into a considerable bigger problem later.
Look, the flame should not have happened but it did. She should not have posted here, but she did. If we allow people to openly and blatantly bait the members of this forum, then this forum should just change it's name and be a free for all. We welcome anyone here for fellowship and questions, but we are not going to continue to indulge a person that obviously has a private agenda to disrupt this forum.
I pray that the sups and admins will take care of this problem.

[Miss Shelby]

tulc's always been very cool.

[Hentenza]

tulc's always been very cool.

Agreed. Tulc is great guy.:wave:

[ContentInHim]

Really? I'm just wondering which of the threads did you look at? I went looking and couldn't find anything that seemed about you guys. Do you remember any names of the threads? :scratch:
tulc(kind of curious) :)
I was disgusted not necessarily just by the attitudes towards conservatives that I read, but rather the subject matter of the threads themselves. The approval of rank sin. Laughing at the idea of any sort of godly righteousness. I want to make it clear that I'm responding to your question. I am not intending to flame. :(

Why do you all care? Why do we have to be like you? I simply don't understand.

And for the record, I agree that tulc is a great guy!

[ContentInHim]

I can't decide what to vote for yet. Its too early for me to decide.
I haven't either, Jim. I just don't know the best way to handle trolling.

[FriendsFellowship]

FF,

The problem is that the report came from some one that has been asked asked time and time again to not get involved in CC. She has been asked very politely, however, she continues to not just post here, but also get involved in the running of this forum. This is unacceptable.
This person is a mod trainee that should show the maturity required to exact the self discipline needed to be impartial. However, her actions are contradictory to her mod functions. This is a problem that, if not nipped now, will grow into a considerable bigger problem later.
Look, the flame should not have happened but it did. She should not have posted here, but she did. If we allow people to openly and blatantly bait the members of this forum, then this forum should just change it's name and be a free for all. We welcome anyone here for fellowship and questions, but we are not going to continue to indulge a person that obviously has a private agenda to disrupt this forum.
I pray that the sups and admins will take care of this problem.

I agree with you. Maybe the actions of this "some one" were not appropriate.

However two wrongs don't make a right.

If the rules are broken, they should be reported; whether or not the reporting person is a member of CC.

We need to be accountable for what we say.

[Lisa0315]

I agree with you. Maybe the actions of this "some one" were not appropriate.

However two wrongs don't make a right.

If the rules are broken, they should be reported; whether or not the reporting person is a member of CC.

We need to be accountable for what we say.

The problem is that CCC members do not have a chance to gently rebuke each other. We find ourselves on the defensive because this one person trolls our site looking for things to report. Yes, some of them were indeed violations, but most of them were not. However, none of us ever even got the chance to counsel upset members. This person has taken it upon themselves to be our personal conscience. The behavior of this person is stunting the growth and maturity of this forum. We don't have a chance to reach out to each other before this person has called us to task.

Lisa

[Macrina]

My vote is "no," and here's why:

~ Tailoring a general policy to a specific situation is... well, bad policy. Such things tend to backfire when another, unforeseen, situation arises.

~ Even here in the "privacy" of our own forum, we should still hold ourselves to a standard of Christlike conduct, and seek to post with a spirit which is humble, kind, and obedient to the rules.

~ If a post breaks site-wide rules, it should be reported. The reporter can be conservative, liberal, or space alien, as long as he or she is capable of recognizing a rule violation.

~ If any particular person -- member or non-member -- demonstrates a habit of reporting posts which are not rule violations, then that person should be temporarily banned from this forum so as to make it clear that this behavior is unacceptable. If we need to make a policy for this, so be it -- but this should only be a pattern of reporting posts which do not violate the rules, not for pointing out where we have violated the rules. Even if the motivation of the reporter is to disrupt the forum, we still bear the first responsibility for our own conduct.

~ Conservative Christians already have a reputation as being elitist. Let's not add fuel to the fire by taking action that would leave non-members helpless to report a legitimate offense.

[FriendsFellowship]

Preventing someone from reporting an offensive post in my opinion is not a biblical response.

[Lisa0315]

Your post makes a lot of sense Macrina. I have to say that I felt pretty neutral on the subject until Rochir started the thread to try and force us to NOT have this rule. I am tired of the membership not even having the opportunity to rule themselves without Rochir taking it upon herself to rule for us. That is really the issue and why this poll got started to begin with.

Okay, members, what do you say about setting up a three strikes you are out rule? Vote in our poll? Strike one. Troll for reports that are ruled NV? Strike 2 Post a non-fellowshippy post? Strike 3. You are out. FSB!

Lisa

[Macrina]

Your post makes a lot of sense Macrina. I have to say that I felt pretty neutral on the subject until Rochir started the thread to try and force us to NOT have this rule. I am tired of the membership not even having the opportunity to rule themselves without Rochir taking it upon herself to rule for us. That is really the issue and why this poll got started to begin with.

I understand why you're upset. We do, of course, want to decide on our own rules. But deciding to have a rule because Rochir doesn't want us to have it isn't an ideal reason. ;) :)

Okay, members, what do you say about setting up a three strikes you are out rule? Vote in our poll? Strike one. Troll for reports that are ruled NV? Strike 2 Post a non-fellowshippy post? Strike 3. You are out. FSB!

Lisa

Although I don't know about the specifics (something along the lines you suggest, I think), this is a much better approach to the problem. It allows us to focus on actions that are rule violations, while not prohibiting legitimate actions.


For example, if I called you a poopy-headed poopface, then tulc should be allowed to report me for flaming you, even though he isn't a member of this forum. And then everyone can laugh in the report thread about how I can't think of a good insult. :D ^_^ ;) :)

[GreenMunchkin]

My main concern is her insistence on trolling, participating in our reports, in what's happening with NG, in our policy making... it's just ludicrous. If this is the only way of preventing it, I still support it. If we *can* come up with an alternative idea, it would be preferable.

[FriendsFellowship]

My main concern is her insistence on trolling, participating in our reports, in what's happening with NG, in our policy making... it's just ludicrous. If this is the only way of preventing it, I still support it. If we *can* come up with an alternative idea, it would be preferable.

Our number one responsibility is to the Kingdom. I don't think any of us should support a rule that has the slightest possibility of appearing unbiblical.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Our number one responsibility is to the Kingdom. I don't think any of us should support a rule that has the slightest possibility of appearing unbiblical.
:wave: Hi Marty!

You know I don't think anyone was suggesting that we do anything improper or unbiblical. This was a desperate suggestion born from a desperate and sad circumstance. I think those of us who have been trying to protect the forum are tired. We're tired of getting bloodied by liberal folks who want to do harm.

I hope folks here understand this and do not judge harshly. :)

Suggestions are welcome to help this forum get to a place where we are not constantly on the defense.

[Macrina]

Our number one responsibility is to the Kingdom. I don't think any of us should support a rule that has the slightest possibility of appearing unbiblical.

I agree.

GreenMunchkin, what do you think about Lisa's "three strikes" rule, or some variation thereof?

[Macrina]

:wave: Hi Marty!

You know I don't think anyone was suggesting that we do anything improper or unbiblical. This was a desperate suggestion born from a desperate and sad circumstance. I think those of us who have been trying to protect the forum are tired. We're tired of getting bloodied by liberal folks who want to do harm.

I hope folks here understand this and do not judge harshly. :)

Suggestions are welcome to help this forum get to a place where we are not constantly on the defense.

Oh, I totally get the reasoning, even if I don't think this is the solution. It is indeed frustrating to feel disrespected like this, and I know well how it feels. Sometimes one wants to crawl into a cave and hide there until people stop coming around... but that tends not to be the most feasible solution. ^_^ I hope that a warning --> FSB policy might accomplish the purpose in a more precise way, without the unintended side effects.

[Lisa0315]

Well, I am not done being snarky about it. I think we should all vote yes, and then, not actually do it. :ebil:

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

You're gonna need to explain to me how this could be seen as unBiblical, I'm afraid.

3-strikes is possible. I saw mnphysicist say some forums have reinstated the warning system. We could possibly do that. But it still doesn't solve our immediate problem.

[Macrina]

Well, I am not done being snarky about it. I think we should all vote yes, and then, not actually do it. :ebil:

Lisa

Haha!

I get it. I really do.

But think of the satisfaction of responding with grace and humility. :angel:

[Lisa0315]

You're gonna need to explain to me how this could be seen as unBiblical, I'm afraid.

3-strikes is possible. I saw mnphysicist say some forums have reinstated the warning system. We could possibly do that. But it still doesn't solve our immediate problem.

No, it doesn't. However, Rochir has made a very public move to control this forum. There can be no question about hostile motivation now.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Oh, I totally get the reasoning, even if I don't think this is the solution. It is indeed frustrating to feel disrespected like this, and I know well how it feels. Sometimes one wants to crawl into a cave and hide there until people stop coming around... but that tends not to be the most feasible solution. ^_^ I hope that a warning --> FSB policy might accomplish the purpose in a more precise way, without the unintended side effects. Oh I know you do hon...you've been going through the fire the last few days. :hug:

Well, I am not done being snarky about it. I think we should all vote yes, and then, not actually do it. :ebil:

Lisa ^_^ You nut! :hug:

You're gonna need to explain to me how this could be seen as unBiblical, I'm afraid.

3-strikes is possible. I saw mnphysicist say some forums have reinstated the warning system. We could possibly do that. But it still doesn't solve our immediate problem.

3 strikes is cool...but I think a certain mod has already past that. :doh: Remind me again of why the warning system was taken out? :confused:

[Lisa0315]

Haha!

I get it. I really do.

But think of the satisfaction of responding with grace and humility. :angel:

Dang it! I'm bringing Church Lady back!

Okay, okay, I will be graceful and humble, but I don't gotta like it. :sigh:

Lisa

[FriendsFellowship]

:wave: Hi Marty!

You know I don't think anyone was suggesting that we do anything improper or unbiblical. This was a desperate suggestion born from a desperate and sad circumstance. I think those of us who have been trying to protect the forum are tired. We're tired of getting bloodied by liberal folks who want to do harm.

I hope folks here understand this and do not judge harshly. :)

Suggestions are welcome to help this forum get to a place where we are not constantly on the defense.

Hi GT! :wave:

I know that everyone is just reacting to a bad situation! :)

But sometimes the way we react defines us in the eyes of others. :)

How would it look to a non-conservative if we were to remove their ability to report posts that we obviously breaking the rules?

[Hentenza]

Dang it! I'm bringing Church Lady back!

Okay, okay, I will be graceful and humble, but I don't gotta like it. :sigh:

Lisa

Church lady? LOL!!!^_^^_^^_^^_^^_^ Did anyone say SATAN?:P:P

[FriendsFellowship]

Well, I am not done being snarky about it. I think we should all vote yes, and then, not actually do it. :ebil:

Lisa

^^^ LOL

:D

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Hi GT! :wave:

I know that everyone is just reacting to a bad situation! :)

But sometimes the way we react defines us in the eyes of others. :)

How would it look to a non-conservative if we were to remove their ability to report posts that we obviously breaking the rules?
GT? :o Where? :D ;)

[FriendsFellowship]

You're gonna need to explain to me how this could be seen as unBiblical, I'm afraid.

3-strikes is possible. I saw mnphysicist say some forums have reinstated the warning system. We could possibly do that. But it still doesn't solve our immediate problem.

Scripture gives us lots of examples of how we are to react when someone wrongs us!

But right now, we don't need to debate each other! :hug:

[FriendsFellowship]

GT? :o Where? :D ;)

OK, LT! you caught me goofing up! (oops!) :blush:

[Lisa0315]

OK, LT! you caught me goofing up! (oops!) :blush:

No wonder I couldn't find GreenThumb's post! :doh: ^_^

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Scripture gives us lots of examples of how we are to react when someone wrongs us!

But right now, we don't need to debate each other! :hug:I'm not asking to debate. I'd like to know how this would be unBiblical. Given I started the thread, the accusation is at me. So I'd like to understand what I'm being accused of exactly.

[Hentenza]

I agree with you. Maybe the actions of this "some one" were not appropriate.

However two wrongs don't make a right.

If the rules are broken, they should be reported; whether or not the reporting person is a member of CC.

We need to be accountable for what we say.

Hey FF,

I agree. I just wish we could find a solution that wouldn't be as drastic. The basic problem is that this person is walking the thin line between braking the rules and being right at the edge. Most of her posts are really not violations but are gray area baiting. To me it borders on trollish.
Of course, we know how accurate the definition of troll is here in Foru.ms.;)
I am all for a solution that will deliver the same result. Any ideas would be appreciated.:wave:

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

OK, LT! you caught me goofing up! (oops!) :blush:

No wonder I couldn't find GreenThumb's post! :doh: ^_^

Lisa

^_^ It's ok Marty...I don't mind being mixed up with GT. :thumbsup: ;)

[Lisa0315]

We need some kind of warning system. However, apply it only to non-members. We should always be able to extend grace and forgiveness to each other. Again, I suggest the Three Stikes You Are Out Rule. Three violations of any kind...Forum Specific Ban.

Lisa

[Macrina]

I'm not asking to debate. I'd like to know how this would be unBiblical. Given I started the thread, the accusation is at me. So I'd like to understand what I'm being accused of exactly.

If I may jump in here?

I don't think he was accusing you of being unbiblical -- at least, that's not how I took it. He said to avoid anything that had the least chance of appearing unbiblical, which is a different thing.

My desire is that we err on the side of being too forgiving, too gracious, too turn-the-other-cheeky. While your suggestion wasn't "wrong," I think there may be alternatives which might better accomplish the tone we're trying to set for the forum. :)



I like the three-strikes thing, if the potential violations are spelled out well in advance. I wouldn't want it to be ambiguous and then have someone say we were just out to get them.

[Macrina]

We need some kind of warning system. However, apply it only to non-members. We should always be able to extend grace and forgiveness to each other. Again, I suggest the Three Stikes You Are Out Rule. Three violations of any kind...Forum Specific Ban.

Lisa

The FSB is for a limited amount of time, right? So we would be able to offer the individual an opportunity for reconciliation after that time has passed?

[FriendsFellowship]

I'm not asking to debate. I'd like to know how this would be unBiblical. Given I started the thread, the accusation is at me. So I'd like to understand what I'm being accused of exactly.

To remove someone's ability to report a post that is breaking the rules in my opinion lacks integrity, that's why I questioned this solution.

Munchie, no one is accusing you of anything! :angel:

I just think this solution wasn't analyzed from all angles! :)

And Munchie, I would never accuse you of a lack of integrity! :hug:

[FriendsFellowship]

If I may jump in here?

I don't think he was accusing you of being unbiblical -- at least, that's not how I took it. He said to avoid anything that had the least chance of appearing unbiblical, which is a different thing.

My desire is that we err on the side of being too forgiving, too gracious, too turn-the-other-cheeky. While your suggestion wasn't "wrong," I think there may be alternatives which might better accomplish the tone we're trying to set for the forum. :)



I like the three-strikes thing, if the potential violations are spelled out well in advance. I wouldn't want it to be ambiguous and then have someone say we were just out to get them.

Yea, what she said! :thumbsup:

[Hentenza]

Hey guys,

Here is something to keep in mind. There are presently nine reports on Rochir archived since July 20. Out of these, only two resulted in other than NV, one RFE and one deletion. The other seven were posts that edged the line but did not cross it. There is presently one report waiting to be actioned and is tilting towards a delete.
For this one person, under the three strike rules, it would have taken 6 weeks before the FSB process would have began.
This is just some info to stimulate thought.:idea:

[Lisa0315]

The FSB is for a limited amount of time, right? So we would be able to offer the individual an opportunity for reconciliation after that time has passed?

Yes, it can be anywhere from 24 hours to permanant depending on the situation. There is alot of leeway there.

Lisa

[No Swansong]

I said no because it seems this offense is predominatley being made by one person. I say we deal with the individual because I don't like creating a rule that will apply to several people when only one person is currently trolling and reporting stuff. It's also handing her a lot of power, she's single handedly making us become more restrictive.
(or he whatever the case may be--she told me she's female but apparently she uses the male icon)

Also, I reported someone in WWMC today. I would feel hypocritical doing that if we have a rule against it.
As someone who has considerable time on staff you can rest assured it will be repeated. It will happen over and over again with different posters. Some will be socks others not but it will happen. It seems to have a protocol in place would be best.

[Lisa0315]

Well, I just submitted formal charges of harrassment on behalf of this forum. If I have acted in haste, y'all can ream me later. However, GreenMunchkin just left. I am hoping she will be back, but that was the last straw for me. First MrJim and now GM. That is two in one day.

Lisa

[No Swansong]

By the way I voted other.

I do not oppose non-members making reports. This is sometimes necessary. For example let's assume that perhaps one of us is quoted on WWMC but we are misquoted on purpose. (yes it has happened) we should have the opportunity to report that. Likewise we should leave that opportunity open here. Yet I do not support non-members having a say in the report thread. Let the reporter make their argument in the report so that the board can consider the merits of the argument.

[mnphysicist]

I've been looking at this a bit, and here is another possibility. Its a power tool which staff considered, and dismissed, as its dangerous. On the other hand, it does give your staff the tools and the discretion needed to deal with non-members pushing the limits.

Non members will not post anything that disrupts the peace and harmony of this forum. If there is even border line trolling in the forum, or the report threads, an immediate forum specific ban including report threads is mandated. This specifically includes: posters with the intent of stirring things up or sowing discord with a purely destructive motive against the ethos of the forum.

It would need tweaking to make it not so threatening of course, as you don't want to push aside non-members difficult questions. On the other hand, it has significantly less secondary consequences than restricting reporters.

[synger]

I voted no. While there are definitely some problem with this particular poster, the rules are already fairly clear about what is and is not allowed by posters in this forum, whether members or guests. If those rules should be expanded to include something more specific, like baiting, then that is what should be changed.

The proposed change here, though, doesn't have to do with the initial problem (the baiting posts) but with the next step of the process, reporting and report commenting. That's not specific to the problem we have... and if the baiting problem were addressed in the rules, the reporting problem wouldn't be a problem.

I think the process for reports should be as open as possible. However, the rules for what acceptable for posting, and what is unacceptable, can be further refined to help avoid problems such as we are seeing.

[BelindaP]

If you don't permit non-members from making reports, what is to prevent this forum from degrading into a place where people can be as mean as they want to 'outsiders' with no recourse for the victims. If you want to play that game, you will only be talking to yourselves. No outreach will occur, because nobody will want to waste their time coming here.

[ContentInHim]

I voted no. While there are definitely some problem with this particular poster, the rules are already fairly clear about what is and is not allowed by posters in this forum, whether members or guests. If those rules should be expanded to include something more specific, like baiting, then that is what should be changed.

The proposed change here, though, doesn't have to do with the initial problem (the baiting posts) but with the next step of the process, reporting and report commenting. That's not specific to the problem we have... and if the baiting problem were addressed in the rules, the reporting problem wouldn't be a problem.

I think the process for reports should be as open as possible. However, the rules for what acceptable for posting, and what is unacceptable, can be further refined to help avoid problems such as we are seeing.
If it's acknowledged that there are problems with this poster who is also a mod trainee, why has nothing been done to counsel her? Why has she not been called to task as NG was? Why is it our fault that R is obsessed with our every word?

[Lisa0315]

If you don't permit non-members from making reports, what is to prevent this forum from degrading into a place where people can be as mean as they want to 'outsiders' with no recourse for the victims. If you want to play that game, you will only be talking to yourselves. No outreach will occur, because nobody will want to waste their time coming here.

Well, Belinda, the problem is that no one bothers reading our rules before they enter. For example, this is not a fellowship post, and you as a non-member should not be trying to influence the membership here.

Members have already discarded this idea. However, this is an example of what has happened a million times here. I don't mind that you are here. However, my opinion of you, and my friendship with you cannot overwrite the rules of this forum. I am not going to report you, but I am just pointing out the problem.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

If it's acknowledged that there are problems with this poster who is also a mod trainee, why has nothing been done to counsel her? Why has she not been called to task as NG was? Why is it our fault that R is obsessed with our every word?

EGGzactly!

Lisa

[BelindaP]

Well, Belinda, the problem is that no one bothers reading our rules before they enter. For example, this is not a fellowship post, and you as a non-member should not be trying to influence the membership here.

Members have already discarded this idea. However, this is an example of what has happened a million times here. I don't mind that you are here. However, my opinion of you, and my friendship with you cannot overwrite the rules of this forum. I am not going to report you, but I am just pointing out the problem.

Lisa

The attitude you're displaying is exactly why I'm not a member here. I'm fully conservative enough to be a member. I'm just not going to jump through all the silly hoops to prove to you guys that I'm 'worthy' of membership.

[Lisa0315]

The attitude you're displaying is exactly why I'm not a member here. I'm fully conservative enough to be a member. I'm just not going to jump through all the silly hoops to prove to you guys that I'm 'worthy' of membership.

<sigh> There are no hoops to jump through. There is no attitude. You are making a judgement based on a small amount of knowledge. Our membership consists of two "hoops". Read our statement, and if you agree, sign in. That is it! Again, if you had read our rules, you would not be so eager to be so judgemental of us.

Would it be right if I were to go to OBOB and express a negative opinion about one of their rules?

Would it be right for me to go into any forum without having first read the rules?

As a mod, you should know better than this.

Lisa

[Jim47]

I feel that I can't vote on this. I know we have a problem but I don't think this is the way to solve it, I also don't think it will be allowable unless Erwin changes the base site rules.

One of the big reasons I'm against this is that its the same as muzzling out free speach and would be much like repealing the 1st ammendment. There are better ways to fix this problem then going down that road.

What its going to require is to open up communication between liberals and conservatives, but not the kind of communication which we have now.

We need to learn that we each have different views on things and each party believes that he is right and the other is wrong. I will make clear that I will never change my beliefs about being conservative, Conservative is who I am and a zebra can't change his stripes.

There has to be a way to co-exhist without these wars and strifes and without the creation of yet more rules. Do you realize that we now have over 100 times as many rules as we did before the 7/7 reform? It hasn't helped a thing has it? And more rules won't help either.

What we need to do is to learn to respect each other and bury the hatchet in the dirt instead of in each others back. I really mean this. These constant flame wars are getting us no where. I do believe though for the most part these wars are kept alive by a few, and it is to those few that I am making an appeal. Please knock it off :P

I have a simple suggestion here. If you see one of your friends make a heated reply, get his/her attention and request them to edit their post. Really folks, its about time we start doing this.

I just started a thread over in WWMCL, so far I have not had one person give me an ounce of grief. Guess what that tells me? If you go into someone elses forum just be courteous and respectful and you will be treated in like manner. If you go there to stir the pot then you will get what you were looking for.

I hope I wrote that clear enough that you understand my intentions. My mind is a little foggy as insomnia has been sapping the life out of me for several weeks now.

My suggestion is this. When you see a liberal write something here that you don't like remember this. If you react in a negative way only more strife will be what you get. If you reply calmly and make an appeal to knock it off and do so in a polite manner you may get a reformation.

Try Pm'ing them and discuss calmly. I've done this and had really good results. Rochir and I are now friends and each is trying to figure the other out instead of trying to make war. I know she has caused strife here along with some other liberals, but if we keep feeding the fire it will fix nothing.

With I wish you all a happy labor day.

[Macrina]

I feel that I can't vote on this. I know we have a problem but I don't think this is the way to solve it, I also don't think it will be allowable unless Erwin changes the base site rules.

One of the big reasons I'm against this is that its the same as muzzling out free speach and would be much like repealing the 1st ammendment. There are better ways to fix this problem then going down that road.

What its going to require is to open up communication between liberals and conservatives, but not the kind of communication which we have now.

We need to learn that we each have different views on things and each party believes that he is right and the other is wrong. I will make clear that I will never change my beliefs about being conservative, Conservative is who I am and a zebra can't change his stripes.

There has to be a way to co-exhist without these wars and strifes and without the creation of yet more rules. Do you realize that we now have over 100 times as many rules as we did before the 7/7 reform? It hasn't helped a thing has it? And more rules won't help either.

What we need to do is to learn to respect each other and bury the hatchet in the dirt instead of in each others back. I really mean this. These constant flame wars are getting us no where. I do believe though for the most part these wars are kept alive by a few, and it is to those few that I am making an appeal. Please knock it off :P

I have a simple suggestion here. If you see one of your friends make a heated reply, get his/her attention and request them to edit their post. Really folks, its about time we start doing this.

I just started a thread over in WWMCL, so far I have not had one person give me an ounce of grief. Guess what that tells me? If you go into someone elses forum just be courteous and respectful and you will be treated in like manner. If you go there to stir the pot then you will get what you were looking for.

I hope I wrote that clear enough that you understand my intentions. My mind is a little foggy as insomnia has been sapping the life out of me for several weeks now.

My suggestion is this. When you see a liberal write something here that you don't like remember this. If you react in a negative way only more strife will be what you get. If you reply calmly and make an appeal to knock it off and do so in a polite manner you may get a reformation.

Try Pm'ing them and discuss calmly. I've done this and had really good results. Rochir and I are now friends and each is trying to figure the other out instead of trying to make war. I know she has caused strife here along with some other liberals, but if we keep feeding the fire it will fix nothing.

With I wish you all a happy labor day.

QFT :thumbsup:

[Miss Shelby]

If you don't permit non-members from making reports, what is to prevent this forum from degrading into a place where people can be as mean as they want to 'outsiders' with no recourse for the victims. If you want to play that game, you will only be talking to yourselves. No outreach will occur, because nobody will want to waste their time coming here.
Unfortunatley, this whole thing started due to the actions of one individual who did decide she wants to waste her time with scum like us. She pretends to be nice on the surface, then hunts around for things she can report. Where I come from, that's called being a two faced back stabber.

You don't want to be a member of this forum, that's your prerogative. I wouldn't suggest it since you find the place so repulsive.

I do think it's unfortunate that because of the actions of one bad apple, we're trying to become more restrictive to the membership as a whole. I'll reiterate that I think we should deal with this individual and not try to take it out on everyone else.

I've already seen it that we're hesitant to talk to other well meaning liberals because our defense is up. That is VERY unfortunate. The person who started all of this does not represeent the liberal population.

[Criada]

I feel that I can't vote on this. I know we have a problem but I don't think this is the way to solve it, I also don't think it will be allowable unless Erwin changes the base site rules.

One of the big reasons I'm against this is that its the same as muzzling out free speach and would be much like repealing the 1st ammendment. There are better ways to fix this problem then going down that road.

What its going to require is to open up communication between liberals and conservatives, but not the kind of communication which we have now.

We need to learn that we each have different views on things and each party believes that he is right and the other is wrong. I will make clear that I will never change my beliefs about being conservative, Conservative is who I am and a zebra can't change his stripes.

There has to be a way to co-exhist without these wars and strifes and without the creation of yet more rules. Do you realize that we now have over 100 times as many rules as we did before the 7/7 reform? It hasn't helped a thing has it? And more rules won't help either.

What we need to do is to learn to respect each other and bury the hatchet in the dirt instead of in each others back. I really mean this. These constant flame wars are getting us no where. I do believe though for the most part these wars are kept alive by a few, and it is to those few that I am making an appeal. Please knock it off :P

I have a simple suggestion here. If you see one of your friends make a heated reply, get his/her attention and request them to edit their post. Really folks, its about time we start doing this.

I just started a thread over in WWMCL, so far I have not had one person give me an ounce of grief. Guess what that tells me? If you go into someone elses forum just be courteous and respectful and you will be treated in like manner. If you go there to stir the pot then you will get what you were looking for.

I hope I wrote that clear enough that you understand my intentions. My mind is a little foggy as insomnia has been sapping the life out of me for several weeks now.

My suggestion is this. When you see a liberal write something here that you don't like remember this. If you react in a negative way only more strife will be what you get. If you reply calmly and make an appeal to knock it off and do so in a polite manner you may get a reformation.

Try Pm'ing them and discuss calmly. I've done this and had really good results. Rochir and I are now friends and each is trying to figure the other out instead of trying to make war. I know she has caused strife here along with some other liberals, but if we keep feeding the fire it will fix nothing.

With I wish you all a happy labor day.
Amen!

[Lisa0315]

I feel that I can't vote on this. I know we have a problem but I don't think this is the way to solve it, I also don't think it will be allowable unless Erwin changes the base site rules.

One of the big reasons I'm against this is that its the same as muzzling out free speach and would be much like repealing the 1st ammendment. There are better ways to fix this problem then going down that road.

What its going to require is to open up communication between liberals and conservatives, but not the kind of communication which we have now.

We need to learn that we each have different views on things and each party believes that he is right and the other is wrong. I will make clear that I will never change my beliefs about being conservative, Conservative is who I am and a zebra can't change his stripes.

There has to be a way to co-exhist without these wars and strifes and without the creation of yet more rules. Do you realize that we now have over 100 times as many rules as we did before the 7/7 reform? It hasn't helped a thing has it? And more rules won't help either.

What we need to do is to learn to respect each other and bury the hatchet in the dirt instead of in each others back. I really mean this. These constant flame wars are getting us no where. I do believe though for the most part these wars are kept alive by a few, and it is to those few that I am making an appeal. Please knock it off :P

I have a simple suggestion here. If you see one of your friends make a heated reply, get his/her attention and request them to edit their post. Really folks, its about time we start doing this.

I just started a thread over in WWMCL, so far I have not had one person give me an ounce of grief. Guess what that tells me? If you go into someone elses forum just be courteous and respectful and you will be treated in like manner. If you go there to stir the pot then you will get what you were looking for.

I hope I wrote that clear enough that you understand my intentions. My mind is a little foggy as insomnia has been sapping the life out of me for several weeks now.

My suggestion is this. When you see a liberal write something here that you don't like remember this. If you react in a negative way only more strife will be what you get. If you reply calmly and make an appeal to knock it off and do so in a polite manner you may get a reformation.

Try Pm'ing them and discuss calmly. I've done this and had really good results. Rochir and I are now friends and each is trying to figure the other out instead of trying to make war. I know she has caused strife here along with some other liberals, but if we keep feeding the fire it will fix nothing.

With I wish you all a happy labor day.

Thank you, Jim.

The problem though is before any member here can council another member here, Rochir reports it.

We are not going though with this. It is pretty obvious even if the poll is not closed. The OP has even left 4U. I will be setting up another thread to discuss a new rule proposal, but in the meantime, please understand that this has gotten the members here very frustrated. This poll would not exist if we had been allowed to discuss our business without interference from Liberals.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

This can be closed.

[Hentenza]

I feel that I can't vote on this. I know we have a problem but I don't think this is the way to solve it, I also don't think it will be allowable unless Erwin changes the base site rules.

One of the big reasons I'm against this is that its the same as muzzling out free speach and would be much like repealing the 1st ammendment. There are better ways to fix this problem then going down that road.

What its going to require is to open up communication between liberals and conservatives, but not the kind of communication which we have now.

We need to learn that we each have different views on things and each party believes that he is right and the other is wrong. I will make clear that I will never change my beliefs about being conservative, Conservative is who I am and a zebra can't change his stripes.

There has to be a way to co-exhist without these wars and strifes and without the creation of yet more rules. Do you realize that we now have over 100 times as many rules as we did before the 7/7 reform? It hasn't helped a thing has it? And more rules won't help either.

What we need to do is to learn to respect each other and bury the hatchet in the dirt instead of in each others back. I really mean this. These constant flame wars are getting us no where. I do believe though for the most part these wars are kept alive by a few, and it is to those few that I am making an appeal. Please knock it off :P

I have a simple suggestion here. If you see one of your friends make a heated reply, get his/her attention and request them to edit their post. Really folks, its about time we start doing this.

I just started a thread over in WWMCL, so far I have not had one person give me an ounce of grief. Guess what that tells me? If you go into someone elses forum just be courteous and respectful and you will be treated in like manner. If you go there to stir the pot then you will get what you were looking for.

I hope I wrote that clear enough that you understand my intentions. My mind is a little foggy as insomnia has been sapping the life out of me for several weeks now.

My suggestion is this. When you see a liberal write something here that you don't like remember this. If you react in a negative way only more strife will be what you get. If you reply calmly and make an appeal to knock it off and do so in a polite manner you may get a reformation.

Try Pm'ing them and discuss calmly. I've done this and had really good results. Rochir and I are now friends and each is trying to figure the other out instead of trying to make war. I know she has caused strife here along with some other liberals, but if we keep feeding the fire it will fix nothing.

With I wish you all a happy labor day.

Wow! Wait one minute. I agree with most of your post but let me make something perfectly clear, WE are not the ones that started this. Second, WE know the differences between liberal and conservatives which is why we are here and not there. Rochir was asked politely to stop interfering with this forum. Rochir chose to disregard the wishes of the members here by willfully ignoring the request of the members. Rochir chose to interfere with the inner workings of CC, no one here invited her. I am sorry if I seem harsh but the truth sometimes is.
Jim, since July 20th there are 9 archived reports on Rochir and one being actioned. We need to act on this information because it shows the blatant disregard by Rochir of the requests made by the members of this forum. Was worse is that she is a mod trainee who is displaying very poor judgment.

Alright, off the soap box.:cool:

You have a great holiday also.:wave:

[Lisa0315]

This can be closed.

Hi!!!!! Are you back? Please say you are. Read all the posts all over this board. We love you. We need you. :hug:

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

http://foru.ms/t6030876-new-rule-proposal-thread-for-dealing-with-problem-guests.html

Please come here for an alternative to this poll.

Lisa

[BelindaP]

Forgive me. I didn't read the rules TODAY. Last time I read the rules, one had to submit an application to be included.

FWIW, I have counseled Rochir to stay out of the forum. I don't know why she's so obsessed with it. It probably has to do with a sense of justice or something like that.

Initially, I wasn't repulsed by the forum. However, I don't like what it has become, and I don't like the way people who frequent this forum have changed. I've kept coming back because I had hope things might change. Seeing the change it has made in a sweet person like Lisa, I know that was foolish.
*shakes the dust off her sandles once and for all*

[GreenMunchkin]

Yeah, if this could now be closed to Belinda could step off her soapbox, I'd be grateful :)

[FriendsFellowship]

Forgive me. I didn't read the rules TODAY. Last time I read the rules, one had to submit an application to be included.

FWIW, I have counseled Rochir to stay out of the forum. I don't know why she's so obsessed with it. It probably has to do with a sense of justice or something like that.

Initially, I wasn't repulsed by the forum. However, I don't like what it has become, and I don't like the way people who frequent this forum have changed. I've kept coming back because I had hope things might change. Seeing the change it has made in a sweet person like Lisa, I know that was foolish.
*shakes the dust off her sandles once and for all*

Thanks for trying to fix this situation! :)

But you didn't have to come in to our forum and speak against us! :(

[Lisa0315]

Forgive me. I didn't read the rules TODAY. Last time I read the rules, one had to submit an application to be included.

FWIW, I have counseled Rochir to stay out of the forum. I don't know why she's so obsessed with it. It probably has to do with a sense of justice or something like that.

Initially, I wasn't repulsed by the forum. However, I don't like what it has become, and I don't like the way people who frequent this forum have changed. I've kept coming back because I had hope things might change. Seeing the change it has made in a sweet person like Lisa, I know that was foolish.
*shakes the dust off her sandles once and for all*

Belinda,
Being sweet does not equate to getting walked on. I am sweet but I can be a bulldog with a bone when I have to be. You are placing the blame on the wrong people here. How can we be at fault when we are in our own forum minding our own business and a guest comes in and makes trouble? Then, that same said guest goes all over the forum and villifies us? Are we supposed to just sit back and continue being "sweet"?

I extended a hand of friendship to Rochir. Many others did as well. GreenMunchkin probably reported her more than anyone else, but defended her to the teeth when she felt it was the right thing to do. Jim47 did the same. We have acted upon our own members to make sure Rochir was treated fairly. Yet, Rochir votes in our polls, makes threads about us, just HAS to put her 2 cents in no matter what we are talking about.

You are just not seeing this clearly. You would have to have been here and gone through it and that is why it is so unfair for you to say these things about this forum.

The people are good here. They are loving towards each other and fair to guests. They love God and they are devoted to living their lives according to His will. We have had our moments. We have had bad days. We are not perfect, so why are we the only forum being taken to task as if we are some rotten, exclusive country club who are treating guests in some shameful way. It just isn't true and I resent it.

Lisa

[HypnoToad]

Initially, I wasn't repulsed by the forum. However, I don't like what it has become, and I don't like the way people who frequent this forum have changed. I've kept coming back because I had hope things might change. Seeing the change it has made in a sweet person like Lisa, I know that was foolish.
*shakes the dust off her sandles once and for all*
If there is *one* thing responsible for the stress on Lisa, it sure as HELL is NOT the CC forum!!:mad:

unbefreakinlievable

[GreenMunchkin]

I extended a hand of friendship to Rochir. Many others did as well. GreenMunchkin probably reported her more than anyone else, but defended her to the teeth when she felt it was the right thing to do.Really? I can only remember reporting her twice. Will double-check when I can see who made reports. Lisa, they don't care about us trying to be as fair as possible.

Honestly, can this please be closed now.

[Lisa0315]

Sorry for making you dizzy with the Close/Open/Close. I always forget to throw a Mod hat when closing.

Closed at the request of the OP

[jameseb]

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Sorry, didn't realize the thread had been locked.