creationist museum

[TheKingOfImmortality]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzjjxi7f0Oc

your thoughts?

I am trying to see what differnt Christains actully think of things like this.

[kobuk]

I've actually been to another very well known Creationist Museum. The one in San Diego run by the Institute for Creation Research.

In fact i plan on doing so telephone questioning of some of the workers there soon.

While it's very clear that Genesis is to be literally interpreted, i don't always agree entirely with the views of thos interpretations by Creation Science researchers.

Currently i'm really perplexed over the issue of predation in the explanation that most Creation Scientists offer. They are unanomous in their agreement that the predators of today all ate others things in the Garden of Eden besides food that required the killing of another animal. For instance, i've studied the Great White Shark and have to disagree or tentatively disagree, until i can unravel this mystery to my own satisfaction. I don't understand how finely tuned predators that were clearly designed for killing other animals, had originally been on just a vegetarion diet during the time before THE FALL in the Garden of Eden.

Someone please tell me what the diet of a Great White Shark was if it were a vegetarian in Eden?

One possible explanation is that after THE FALL and THE CURSE on all Creation as the result, many plant eaters were cursed and re-created into predators.

Anyhow, the longer i live the more disgusted i get over seeing predators preying on other animals. I think that predation is madness. The result of the curse. Because it is extremely brutal and painful.

[DerSchweik]

Oh my. I saw the video and I have to say I am embarrassed. Raptors as pets of Adam and Eve?

Someone posted a question in another thread wondering whether Christians believed in dinosaurs - presumably to see how Christians resolved the archeological evidence for dinosaurs (millions of years old) and the genealogical timeline we have in the Bible for creation (i.e. some 6,000 years old, give or take).

While I believe firmly in the Bible as the inspired Word of God, I think Christians commit such silliness as this museum to try to make it "fit" with observable facts that seem to contradict what we believe.

Here is what I told that person in the other thread. First, I firmly believe the Bible is God's Word, inclusive of creating the heavens and earth in six days as Genesis states. How did God do that? I've not a clue. :scratch: But I believe He did it nevertheless.

I also believe in dinosaurs - well, more specifically dinosaur bones. And I believe in fossils and petrified trees. Why? Well for one reason, I can drive some 20 miles and see all of them tomorrow. I can see them and I can touch them. So we have the bones and we have the fossils and we cannot deny their existence.

So how do I reconcile the existence of million-year old dinosaur bones and the 6000 years of Biblical genealogy?

I posed this hypothetical - now my reasoning could be flawed, I admit, but it is how I think of this issue and it is how I resolve this seeming conflict to my satisfaction. Please feel free to argue my reasoning, I'll listen with an open mind, I promise. Here is the hypothetical: I believe God created the heavens and earth as His Word states. Suppose you had the ability to create a tree, let's say a nice maple tree; and you did. First off - cool! :thumbsup: But now that you've created the tree, how old would it be? Well, it would be brand new, wouldn't it? But, how old would your brand new tree look? Think about it; I mean, if I or someone were to cut down the tree to look at its rings, how many rings would we see? How many rings did you put in your tree when you created it?

So I asked myself, "If God created the heavens and the earth as His word tells us, how old would His new creation appear?" Would it be unreasonable to think God gave His new creation the appearance of age, yet it still be brand-spanking new? I don't know - I think it would be.

But then consider what Peter said, "But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8). Suppose the six days of creation were in fact six thousand years? Or six million? Or six hundred million? We tread on thin ice to take the Bible too literally, knowing full well God speaks to us often in allegory - and well for that matter, parables too.

When I get to heaven, I'll ask Him. :help: Such knowledge now is not necessary to that end.

Back to the Creation Museum. For what it's worth, I apologize. I think such efforts are misguided at best, embarrassing at least.

In Him,

[arunma]

While I disagree with almost all the teachings of creationism (except of course for their belief in the inerrency of God's word), I think that this might actually be a good idea. Atheists worship science, and though this museum will likely spread scientific error, it will also send a message that many of us do not bow to the idol that they have erected.

As for the fact that children will be poorly educated in regards to evolutionary theory, this just doesn't bother me that much. It might concern me if creationists actually knew that most of their scientific models are grossly inaccurate. But given their own scientific misunderstandings, I can't really make any suggestions of hypocrisy. Yes, it's bad, but misunderstandings about evolution never sent a soul to hell. And contrary to atheist propaganda creationist children don't grow up to be incompetent doctors or engineers. So I don't have much of a reason to be terribly concerned about the creationist museum.

[lismore]

Oh my. I saw the video and I have to say I am embarrassed. Raptors as pets of Adam and Eve?


Its a thousand times more realistic than the evolutionary displays in the Natural History Museum of London.

If it werent for the Emperors New Clothes and peer pressure I dont think anyone would believe Evolution Theory!

So fair play to the Creation Museum. Go for it!

Jesus Christ believed in a literal creation 6,000 years ago, why shouldnt we?

:wave:

[Project 86]

My web filter blocks You Tube but I take it that this is the AIG museum (http://www.creationmuseum.org/)? I love what I have seen. I plan to take the family there to visit some time in the future. Many families from my church have already been there and had a lot of praises to give it. As for animals eating animals before the fall I agree with AIG that this did not happen.

Genesis 1:30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food; and it was so.

[Vambram]

This is a GREAT museum, and I hope to get to go it one day before long.

[horuhe00]

This might seem like it has nothing to do with the thread, but...

In Genesis 1...

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...
...3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day...
...13 So the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.
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First God created the Earth.
Then He created the light.
Then He creates day and night.
Then He creates the Sun and Moon, both of which create light.
Then He creates the stars.

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Let's say that God created the Earth first. Fine.

If He created the light and made day and night on day 1, and created the Sun, moon (which does not create light), and the stars on day 4...

[jslevinson]

My wife and I are looking forward to visiting the Creation museum. We donated to the AIG Creation museum project. It is very exciting.

How one interprets the evidence for an old earth depends on one's presuppositions.

The "fall" was a supernatural event and could have resulted in genetic changes in the original animal population, turning animals designed for vegetarianism into carnivores. We aren't talking something scientific here that can be disproved by scientific evidence. We are talking about a supernatural intervention in the order of nature. The "fall" could have affected many things - not just genetic structure, but the laws of physics. We cannot scientifically comprehend an event of this supernatural magnitude. We can't use science to disprove things that are miracles. If we could, then we could disprove Jesus resurrection as well. There are things we cannot understand with the scientific mind.

I'm grateful that the AIG Creation Museum supports the inerrancy of Scripture and makes the case for a literal interpreation of Genesis 1-11.

I agree with the poster who said we live in a science worshipping culture and that we've made an idol out of science.

AIG is to be commended for defending the Christian faith and defending the faith of ordinary Christians.

[Aibrean]

Very interesting. I would like to go and take a look at the museum with my fiance just to see what they did. The concept is definitely we need more of at this day in age!

[ChristianWife]

My family went to the creation museum this summer right after it opened. It was amazing, and packed. It was one of the first weekends it was open. I could have spent all day there. The movies were awesome and fun for all ages with great messages about love and salvation. The exhibits were just amazing with so much detail. My whole family loved it. I hope to go back when it is not so busy, so I am all for this museum.

[tamtam92]

I have to manage to get to this conference (for work) in San Diego and have the opportunity to visit ICR Museum. The AiG one i don't know if i'll be able to go! I think it's really good work. I don't know how interestings the museums are, but the books i read where quite convincing, and contained good arguments.

[PooperScooper]

These hebetudinous museums should be kept open and active if only to show the biliously creative past Creationism has had.