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stranger
1st September 2007, 01:10 AM
Hi,
I am a 'stranger' to Israel, I believe in Jesus/Yeshua as the messiah, annointed king, christ, of Israel, the prophesied one king come to re-unite the Jews with the lost house of Israel ... this after all is what he says in scripture :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The obvious question is why was he sent by God to teh House of Israel, not to the Jews [house of Judah] ? and the answer may be in this scripture, which Paul repeats in the NT :-

Deuteronomy 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

The irony for MJ is that christianity is not for most part the religion of Jews , and the implication here is that it is that a remnant of the LOST house of Israel, who will emerge from the gentiles, will amke the Jews 'jealous' with knowledge of their long-awaited messiah ...

This then is what moves me to be here, I think that there is a 'messianic' message to the Jews which WILL be heard by a few , those Jews who work 'but one hour' in the vineyard for a full days 'pay' of salvation at Jesus' return ...

The problem as always with mankind's religion is that men cannot agree on what is written, despite that the saints assure us that it is NOT of ANY private interpretation .. we know that christianity and Judaism alike are DIVIDED right down to personal individual beliefs, which shows that much called belief MUST logically be false [since there is but one truth of God which MUST be consistent with ALL scripture IF it is the inspired word of God.. [as I belieev it originally was ]

The point then is that there are very real signs that much has been carried across into MJ from christianity and Judaism WITHOUT reproof to ALL the scruipture of God...

This then I think a worthy task, to WORK in congregation and fellowship at REPROOF of belief in MJ ... it mission then is truly scriptural if my reading of the above scripture be true , but its opponent is wily beyond the wits of most men ... thus it is far from clear to em if this congregation can measure up to what God requires in scripture ...

As for being a 'Jew' , I am circumcised [as my family always has been] but have no awareness of being a 'Jew'... but i think the scripture very clearly shows that the LOST House of Israel have been living amongst gentiles for millenia now WITHOUT JUDAISM , so the criterion of 'being a Jew' is something unclear in itself, but also there are MANY of children of Israel from the lost house of Israel who were never Jews , never accepted Judaism, lived as gentiles all their lives, but are TRULY descendants of Jacob and thus of course potentially heirs of the promise by descent in Israel , but not as a Jew...

Thus the reoproof to scripture rather significantly affects the STRUCTURE of this forum, and in partcular thsi area of it ... [would I could convince Erwin that scripture AS A WHOLE singlke truth is a better basis for defining 'christianity' than any number of DIVIDED creeds, most [or all!] of which must be wrong because there is but one truth of God GIVEN IN SPIRIT BAPTISM [John 16:13] by PROMISE of the messiah !

visionary
1st September 2007, 10:18 AM
Hey stranger... how about making this a thread in itself.. upon which we can descuss this further?

stranger
2nd September 2007, 07:34 AM
Jews, oh, let's say Hebrew, since that sounds less Jewish.This is such a common mistake that it bears repeating that MOST of Israel NEVER were Jews, never accepted Judaism ... they worshipped pagan gods, not the God of scripture , and for that God disassembled and scattered a WHOLE NATION called the House of Israel

They have lived and thrived , scattered amongst gentile nations for millenia now, living as gentiles ...

The point here however is that MOST of Israel is NOT VISIBLE as a people , unlike like the Jews who have benn visible and persecuted all that time...

BUT Jesus/ Y'shua was sent ONLY to this LOST anation of the sheep of Israel , he said so :-

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

It makes understanding scripture impossible if one does not recognise who the House of Israel are and their role as the nation which ceased to be a people , but now are made the people of God by their new covenant with God :-

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Thus counter to christian teaching worldwide, the new covenant is with those whose fathers broke the old covenant, with no-one else, with the House of Judah [the 'Jews] AND with the non-Jewish House of Israel who are no longer a recognisable nation but have grown inumerable as prophesied without beig a nation in theior own name ...

Jesus/ Y'shua then was SENT by God to reach NON-Jewish Israel FIRST - and used Jewish disciples to continue doing so after his death -

Matthew 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[Messiah of Israel!]

The TAASK of the Messiah [the Christ] is given in scripture , it is to become king of a re-united Israel , to gtaher the House of Israel from amongst the gentiles and join them with the Jews into one holy nation of kings and priests ... this was said by God long ago through His prophets, but the time is not yet because many of Israel died sinners without belief in Y'shua [and so cannot live again until after the second resurrection]

The point is made by Jesus/Y'shua then that he will NOT be king in THIS earth :-

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world

BUT the kings and priests rule ON THE EARTH , not in heaven as many preach :-

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Clearly then the scripture shows the mistake of traditional christianity, Jesus' kingdom , the kingdom of the annointed Christ, Y'shua, is iin the new earth, not here, not now [except that as God says in the new covenant with israel-Jer 31:31-34- that the kingdom IS i the hearts and minds of His saints because He puts it there Himself , His very spirit is in them]

Thus we find the reference to this starnge nation who are not a people any longer in the NT over and over for they are the ones God chose to be the first to provide a remnant few among the 144,000 firstfruits who are taken at Jesus' return ...

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

although all Israel will ebe saved .as Paul states , Jesus cannot save anyone until they follow him in perfection of love during life, ceasing to break the Law of Love, ceasing to be sinners... so the redemptio of all Israel and of the countless gentile sinners cannot even begin until all are alive again after the second resurrection ... and thus , as Jesus says i rev 7:9-10, the gentiles too are saved , but only few find tha narrow strait way of following Jesus in this earth, not the many gentiles ad not even most of Israel!

Thus men are righteous saints in the new earth, after the second resurrection and BEFORE judgment, that is thus when most are saved..

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

There is simply no chance of the masses of gentiles being saved before the priesthood and kings who will administer and minister to them have been set up in God's kingdom in the new earth, but the scripture underlines WHY Paul was sent to teh gentiles to taech them the value of praying for Israel's salvation becaiuse their own DEPENDS upon Israel's remnat few surviving their baptism of 'fire' [trial of faith] with PERFECT love, NO SIN ... since Jesus will NOT take any sinner and has said so :-

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [sin!]

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Do you then see what a massive misunderstanding of scripture it is not to distinguish the massive lost NON-JEWISH nation of teh House of Israel from the Jews ?

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

stranger
2nd September 2007, 08:25 AM
Hey stranger... how about making this a thread in itself.. upon which we can descuss this further?

OK, I'll call it 'the salvation of the gentiles' then

visionary
2nd September 2007, 09:05 AM
Done...