Question for nasa

[GerTzedek]

nasa:

Is there anything in this forum you want to discuss, anything you want to do BESIDES starting threads advocating your supersessionist ideas about "spiritual Israel" replacing "natural Israel" ?????

I would like to have a regular discussion with you.

[muffler dragon]

good.
luck.

[nasa1]

Hello Ger,


What do you want to talk about? You can start a topic.



Psalm 15
O LORD, who may abide in Your tent?
Who may dwell on Your holy hill?
He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness,
And speaks truth in his heart.
He does not slander with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor takes up a reproach against his friend;
4In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,
But who honors those who fear the LORD;
He swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He does not put out his money at interest,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent
He who does these things will never be shaken.

[visionary]

Hello Ger,


What do you want to talk about? You can start a topic.



Psalm 15
O LORD, who may abide in Your tent?
Who may dwell on Your holy hill?
He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness,
And speaks truth in his heart.
He does not slander with his tongue,
Nor does evil to his neighbor,
Nor takes up a reproach against his friend;
4In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,
But who honors those who fear the LORD;
He swears to his own hurt and does not change;
He does not put out his money at interest,
Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent
He who does these things will never be shaken.You could talk about this Psalm. While we have learned much in the last century about the forms and the social setting of the psalms, it remains a fact that we know very little about how the Psalter was used in public worship before the rise of the synagogue. That some psalms were used to accompany a sacrifice (Ps 50:24) or that others were used as entrance liturgies (Psalms 15 and 24) or in the course of pilgrimages or processions (Psalms 120-134) is true, but these contributions to our understanding of how psalms were used in public worship remain fairly rudimentary. Suggestions within psalms, such as "Bind the festal procession with branches, up to the horns of the altar" (Ps 118:27) or exhortations to perform music, such as "Blow the trumpet at the new moon, at the full moon, on our festal day" (Ps 81:4) provide limited access to how psalms were actually used.

Do we know when this Psalm was used?

[nasa1]

I think the words of the Psalm are more important that how it was used, personally.

For one, this psalm says it is ok to hate one who has turned against Yeshua. I think there are many who need to hear that. There are many who are on the brink of turning away. Yeshua said those people are only worthy of being trampled on.

NASA

[visionary]

I think the words of the Psalm are more important that how it was used, personally.

For one, this psalm says it is ok to hate one who has turned against Yeshua. I think there are many who need to hear that. There are many who are on the brink of turning away. Yeshua said those people are only worthy of being trampled on.

NASA I did not see any hate in the Psalm. I thought the Psalm was about the way a righteous person dealt with those around him and these are character traits in which you can recognise the connection with God.

When you read the Words of God, who do you think that speak of? When you read Psalm 15 did it speak to your heart, saying these things I need to do. Here we are coming on the days of repentence...awe all before Yom Kippur. This is an excellent Psalm to put your character up against and see it is a match.

O LORD, who may abide in Your tent?Pray without ceasing

Who may dwell on Your holy hill? May your eyes be lifted up and see Mount Zion

He who walks with integrity, and works righteousness,May we live out in our daily lives that which is honest and true, and all that we do is right with God.

And speaks truth in his heart. May we not kid ourselves nor think to poorly of those around us.

He does not slander with his tongue,May we not think badly of others and tell our neighbors these evil thoughts of them. Think on these things.. pure..good...

Nor does evil to his neighbor,That our actions do not reflect evil deeds for spite, for malice, or for vengence.

Nor takes up a reproach against his friend; Nor think poorly of his friends and slander them by association.

4In whose eyes a reprobate is despised,For they can in turn hate you.

But who honors those who fear the LORD;Just make your preference those people who fear the Lord, worship the Father, and seek His Presence always.

He swears to his own hurt and does not change; Do not go so far in your ill will intentions that you do not even realise the end result of harboring these ill feelings towards your fellow man, for it will cause all kinds of ailments of the mind, the body into the soul.

He does not put out his money at interest,Give with gladness, expecting nothing in return.

Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent No offer is good, when its purpose is to discredit the truth.

He who does these things will never be shaken.Integrity, honesty, and love for our fellow man will go a long way in having the Lord back you up in all your endeavors of life.

[simchat_torah]

For one, this psalm says it is ok to hate one who has turned against Yeshua.Wow, you'll make up anything to expose your hate, won't you?

[nasa1]

Visionary, that psalm clearly states that the righteous person should despise one who has turned against the L-rd, but you are free to see it as you choose. David has said in another psalm that he hated those who hated the L-rd. It is perfectly acceptable to hate the one that hates the beloved Son, Jesus Christ.


If you do not hate the one who has turned against the Son, you will in turn hate the Son, for bad company corrupts good morals.


This is also why believers should be in the company with believers, unequally yoked.

NASA

[GerTzedek]

How about, instead, an uplifting conversation, on a Psalm which inspires all of us, so that we may build each other up? Psalm 19 has been one of my favorites since I was a teenager. (I know. My kids have a hard time imagining I was ever a teenager. :D ) We used to sing it.

7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes.

9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.

[nasa1]

Why is the commandment to not have fellowship with unbelievers not uplifting? That commandment is pure, is it not? It is one of the greatest commandments, for Yeshua wants to protect the children from the devils.



It is a main requirement.


Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
17"Therefore come out from them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you."
18"I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."




This forum must realize that it is no different from a church, housechurch, cell group, or synagogue of messianic believers. The same rules must apply. G-d is going to hold the people in charge of this place accountable - for all who have been led astray by traitors, the devils, the atiChrists and liars, who have in turn led others astray here in this place. A judgement will occur for them.

NASA

[visionary]

Do you find us all so vile, that condemnation is all you have for us?

[GerTzedek]

nasa...

um... does that mean you don't want to discuss psalm 19?

[muffler dragon]

For one, this psalm says it is ok to hate one who has turned against Yeshua.

:eek:

One word: eisegesis.

[nasa1]

Do you find us all so vile, that condemnation is all you have for us?



I find those that claim to keep the commandments yet cannot keep many found in the New Covenent to be hypocrites.

NASA

[visionary]

I find those that claim to keep the commandments yet cannot keep many found in the New Covenent to be hypocrites.

NASA How are you doing with them? any better?

[nasa1]

nasa...

um... does that mean you don't want to discuss psalm 19?



Of course I do, I love that one -the Psalms are my favorite in the whole book, that and 1st John.


Now, just for the record, when I said "hate", I meant hate as in Yeshua taught to hate - that we must hate everyone but love Yeshua.


Anyway, to me, the commandments are the whole Bible, not just what people call the Torah. To me, the New Covenent commandments nullify many Torah commandments. Yeshua has the authority, as G-d, to add commandments and change them. He basically simplied them: love Yeshua and the brethren. Love fulfills the whole Law.

So that is what I like about Psalm 19, because it says that commandments are pure, enlightening the eyes. All of Yeshua's commandments bring true enlightenment.

NASA

[nasa1]

How are you doing with them? any better?


You are defensive. Any reason for that?


Do you keep the New Covenent commandments?

nasa

[visionary]

You are defensive. Any reason for that?


Do you keep the New Covenent commandments?

nasa In spirit and in truth... how are you doing with the spirit ...

[nasa1]

So how do you keep the commandments in the Spirit? How do you personally do it?

NASA

[nasa1]

As I thought, you have no idea.

nasa

[muffler dragon]

As I thought, you have no idea.

nasa

Just glad to see that you are "loving your neighbor as yourself". :thumbsup:

Keep up the wonderful example. :amen:

[Bananna]

Visionary, that psalm clearly states that the righteous person should despise one who has turned against the L-rd, but you are free to see it as you choose. David has said in another psalm that he hated those who hated the L-rd. It is perfectly acceptable to hate the one that hates the beloved Son, Jesus Christ.


If you do not hate the one who has turned against the Son, you will in turn hate the Son, for bad company corrupts good morals.


This is also why believers should be in the company with believers, unequally yoked.

NASA

The psalm clearly states that you will be despised for your evil if you treat your neighbor or friend in an ungodly manner. You have turned it around to give yourself permission to sit in Yeshuah's seat and act dishonorably... You really need to get your teaching from some where else because this sort of teaching will make your body very ill especially if you are keeping Yom Kippur or Passover with this sort of attitude.

God Bless you Vis for trying...
bananna

[ChazakEmunah]

Man, aint no love up in this joint... Guess that's what happens when you chuck the Torah out the window....

[GerTzedek]

nasa, I will pray for you, that you will come to a truer understanding, before He divides the sheep from the goats. Everyone who loves is born of G-d and knows G-d. He who loves not, knows not G-d, for G-d is love. My heart breaks for you.

I will not post with you further. I think it would be cruel to draw you out in that way.

[nasa1]

nasa, I will pray for you, that you will come to a truer understanding, before He divides the sheep from the goats. Everyone who loves is born of G-d and knows G-d. He who loves not, knows not G-d, for G-d is love. My heart breaks for you.

I will not post with you further. I think it would be cruel to draw you out in that way.

I showed you all the scriptures in the "conversion" thread which show G-d even claiming to hate people.

There is a difference between godly hate and devilish hate. Even Jesus said we must hate everyone and put him first in order to be his disciple.

nasa

[visionary]

I showed you all the scriptures in the "conversion" thread which show G-d even claiming to hate people.

There is a difference between godly hate and devilish hate. Even Jesus said we must hate everyone and put him first in order to be his disciple.

nasaYeshua said that we are to put God first .. true. Yeshua never said for us to hate, that is incorrect. There is a big difference between godly hate... you have heard ...hate the sin, love the sinner.

[Bananna]

When we take up Yeshua's teachings then we are forsaking all other teachers.

To 'misei' other authorities in this context means to rank them under or not at all as we obey the teachings of Yeshua.

For this reason some will not pledge allegiance to anyone or any country other than God.

To detest the liar is not to hate a person, but a type.

Only God can righteously hate an individual in the sense that He passes judgement on the individual according to His righteous judgements.