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freakazoid
31st August 2007, 04:48 PM
ok, this isnt a joke, but do you fundamentalists not believe in dinosaurs?
HypnoToad
1st September 2007, 02:29 AM
I don't think either believing or not believing is a "Fundamentalist" position. I personally have no problem with their existence.
kobuk
1st September 2007, 03:51 PM
ok, this isnt a joke, but do you fundamentalists not believe in dinosaurs?
When hiking in parts of Montana's or Patagonia's heavily eroded sedimentary rock terrain, you can trip and fall over a T-Rex skull. Or you can bump your own head into a Stegasourus thighbone at the Smithsonian in Wash. DC. ;)
Welcome to the Sola Scriptura Fundamentalist Congregation area freakazoid. ;)
DerSchweik
1st September 2007, 08:35 PM
Personally, I do believe in dinosaurs - well, to be much more specific - I believe in dinosaur bones. It would be silly not to believe in them, given the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. However, the existence of bones does not necessarily imply the existence of dinosaurs. Apart from Jurassic Park ;) , no one has ever actually seen a dinosaur, so we cannot be absolutely certain they did exist.
Hypothetically, if you had the ability to create a tree, and you did, how "old" would it be? Obviously, it would be brand new - but, how old would it look? It's your tree and only you can answer that, but if we were to cut it down and counted its rings, how many would you have "built" into your new tree?
I believe God created the heavens and the earth; how He did it, I've not a clue. :scratch: But I believe in His Word, the Bible, and if it says He created the heavens and the earth, and He did so in six days, then I believe He did so in six days.
There is a website you might look at for some further information on this topic; it's called "AnswersInGenesis" dot org (sorry, I'm too new to post links) - but it has quite a bit of information in this genre.
Hope this helps at least a bit to answer your question.
In Him,
flaja
17th September 2007, 12:07 AM
Personally, I do believe in dinosaurs - well, to be much more specific - I believe in dinosaur bones. It would be silly not to believe in them, given the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. However, the existence of bones does not necessarily imply the existence of dinosaurs. Apart from Jurassic Park ;) , no one has ever actually seen a dinosaur, so we cannot be absolutely certain they did exist.
Hypothetically, if you had the ability to create a tree, and you did, how "old" would it be? Obviously, it would be brand new - but, how old would it look? It's your tree and only you can answer that, but if we were to cut it down and counted its rings, how many would you have "built" into your new tree?
I believe God created the heavens and the earth; how He did it, I've not a clue. :scratch: But I believe in His Word, the Bible, and if it says He created the heavens and the earth, and He did so in six days, then I believe He did so in six days.
There is a website you might look at for some further information on this topic; it's called "AnswersInGenesis" dot org (sorry, I'm too new to post links) - but it has quite a bit of information in this genre.
Hope this helps at least a bit to answer your question.
In Him,
You are describing a variation on the appearance of age theory. What could dinosaur bones mean if not dinosaurs? If the bones don’t mean dinosaurs, why would God create them?
flaja
17th September 2007, 12:13 AM
Darwinism:
01. There is no way to scientifically test (by experimentation) any explanation for the origin of the universe, the earth or the life therein. Anything anyone believes is a matter of faith. Darwinism and Creationism (in any form) are equally faith systems, neither being true science.
02. Micro-evolution, i.e., speciation by Darwinian mechanisms, may be possible within the narrow genetic limits of the kinds that God created. As some Creationists speculate, the “kind” of Genesis chapter 1 may indicate a higher level of classification than the species, genus or even the family.
03. Macro-evolution, i.e., the origin of higher taxa or levels of classification higher than the species, is impossible as far as science is concerned. There is no irrefutable observational evidence and absolutely no experimental evidence for macro-evolution. Any and all molecules to man scenarios are little more than science fiction.
04. No one will become a Christian simply because they do not believe in Darwinism. Neither will someone accept Darwinism simply because they reject Christianity. It is imperative that Christians study and understand Darwinism, but only so they can better understand correct Christian doctrine. Christians should not hope to convert Darwinists by disputing with them. The best a Christian can hope for in such disputes is that he can waste Satan’s time by aggravating his servants while also diverting his attention from other Christians who may not be as able to defend the Christian faith.
Age of the earth
01. The Bible does not expressly say when God created anything. Neither does the Bible say how long it took Him to complete His creative acts since the translation of the Hebrew equivalent of “day” in the context of Genesis chapter 1 and 2 is disputed.
02. Science is incapable of telling us the age of the universe, the age of the earth or when life originated. No one was around to observe these events so we do not know what conditions must be duplicated in order to conduct an experiment with a control group in order to test any proposed hypothesis. And without experimentation, there can be no scientific explanation for anything.
03. There is some archaeological and documentary evidence that the earth has not always had 24-hour solar days or 365.25 day years. Furthermore, the 2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake gave us an ample demonstration of how the earth’s solar orbit, and thus its day length, can be disrupted. Extrapolating the 24 hour day or the 365.25 day year back to Genesis Chapter 1 is pointless.
04. Since neither science, nor the Bible tells us beyond a doubt the age of the universe or the age of the earth or when living things originated, such matters must have no place in Christian doctrine.
05. Spiritual death and physical death are part and parcel of the same thing. You cannot have one without eventually having the other.
06. Any form of old-earth creationism that maintains or implies that any living thing suffered physical or spiritual death before Adam and Eve sinned is not supported by the Bible and must be utterly rejected. A God that would create something just to let it die is not a God worthy of worship. Death did not enter the world until after sin had entered the world and sin did not enter the world until Adam and Eve disobeyed God by eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Noah’s Flood
01. The Flood was a worldwide event.
02. The physical dimensions of the Flood, as given in Genesis, are, no doubt, dependent on the earth’s physical conditions at the time of the Flood. The earth’s landscape has most likely been greatly altered since the time of the Flood. Just because Genesis says that the Flood covered the highest mountain, there is no reason to assume that the Flood covered Mount Everest because there is no reason to assume that Mount Everest existed in Noah’s day or that it was then the world’s highest mountain if it did.
03. The Flood killed all humans other than Noah and his family.
04. The Flood killed all land-dwelling, air-breathing animals other than the ones that had refuge on Noah’s Ark.
05. The Flood killed all birds other than the ones that had refuge on Noah’s Ark.
06. The Flood likely killed most aquatic animals, but it certainly did not kill all aquatic animals because the Bible gives no indication that Noah had any way to re-populate aquatic environments after the Flood.
07. Most, if not all, bacteria, protests and fungi likely survived the Flood either by entering a dormant state or being taken onto the Ark as a matter of course or by using the surviving organisms, that were not on the ark, as hosts.
08. Some plants certainly survived the Flood by either being taken onto the Ark or through the normal survival mechanisms found in nature (seeds, roots et cetera).
09. The Flood is not likely the first, nor the only, worldwide natural catastrophe the earth has endured and it is not likely to be the only cause of the earth’s geologic column or fossil record.
Project 86
17th September 2007, 07:45 AM
ok, this isnt a joke, but do you fundamentalists not believe in dinosaurs?
All the fundamentalists I know believe in dinosaurs. In fact I collect dinosaur fossils. Most believe in a young earth that is about 6,000 years old. There is both scientific and biblical evidence for this.
anonymous1515
11th February 2008, 02:35 AM
flaja, i find it comical that you call "Darwinists" servants of Satan. I assume by Darwinist you mean those people who accept evolutionary theory, but I don't see the link between evolution and Satan.
DeaconDean
11th February 2008, 02:51 AM
What we have here, is, failure ta communicate.
flaja, i find it comical that you call "Darwinists" servants of Satan. I assume by Darwinist you mean those people who accept evolutionary theory, but I don't see the link between evolution and Satan.
Friend, since you are not a Fundamentalist, I must ask that you refrain from debating.
Let me post the rules for your reference:
A) For the purposes of this sub-forum, we adopt the Definition by the World Congress of Fundamentalists in 1976, to wit:
A born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who
Maintains an immovable allegiance to the inerrant, infallible, and verbally Inspired Bible;
Believes whatever the Bible says is so;
Judges all things by the Bible, and is judged only by the Bible, aka - "Sola Scriptura";
Affirms the foundational truths of the historic Christian Faith:
The doctrine of the Trinity
The incarnation, virgin birth, substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, ascension into Heaven, and Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ
The new birth through regeneration of the Holy Spirit
The resurrection of saints to life eternal
The resurrection of the ungodly to final judgment and eternal death
The fellowship of the saints, who are the body of Christ;
Practices fidelity to that faith, and endeavors to preach it to every creature;
Exposes and separates from all ecclesiastical denial of that Faith, compromise with error, and apostasy from the Truth; and
Earnestly contends for the Faith once delivered.Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.
Thus a Fundamentalist can be from quite a few Protestant denominations, even nondenominational. Those that defer to a view that sacred tradition is equal to scripture (not sola scriptura) would not.
B) Whilst we welcome non-Fundamentalists (anyone who does not adhere to the above definition) to our forum any questions must be made in the subforum "Ask a Fundamentalist".
C) Guests can debate in the formal inter-denominational debating forum or formal debating area outside the entire congregational fora. To retain this forum a safe haven for the fundamentalists, we don't allow guests to debate the fundamentalist doctrines stated here.
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Please be aware of this in the future.
Thank you.
Carry on.
God Bless
Till all are one.
NewGuy101
11th February 2008, 03:46 PM
I'm old earth and I believe in dinos
DeaconDean
13th February 2008, 06:23 AM
I'm old earth and I believe in dinos
Well, to be honest, it gives validity to the "Gap Theory."
God Bless
Till all are one.
NewGuy101
13th February 2008, 12:38 PM
Well, to be honest, it gives validity to the "Gap Theory."
God Bless
Till all are one.
it?
DeaconDean
14th February 2008, 12:21 AM
it?
Old earth.
Have you studied the "Gap theory?"
God Bless
Till all are one.
NewGuy101
14th February 2008, 01:00 AM
Old earth.
Have you studied the "Gap theory?"
God Bless
Till all are one.
I hold huge ross position and yes I have studied the gap theory
DeaconDean
14th February 2008, 03:38 AM
I hold huge ross position and yes I have studied the gap theory
That is why I say, an "Old Earth" theory, does lend support for the "Gap Theory."
God Bless
Till all are one.
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