Why should we stay on this site

[Hentenza]

You know guys, I have been giving this a lot of thought and have come to a conclusion. As long as we are here so will Jesus. Erwin can change whatever he wants but he has nothing on Jesus our Lord.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.


The light shines in the darkness, that is us guys. We are the light.!! We shine in the dark days and we will bring light to his site. I say we rejoice in the gift that we can still fellowship together and have the opportunity to spread the gospel. Praise God!!!:clap::clap::amen::amen:

[Project 86]

You know guys, I have been giving this a lot of thought and have come to a conclusion. As long as we are here so will Jesus. Erwin can change whatever he wants but he has nothing on Jesus our Lord.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.


The light shines in the darkness, that is us guys. We are the light.!! We shine in the dark days and we will bring light to his site. I say we rejoice in the gift that we can still fellowship together and have the opportunity to spread the gospel. Praise God!!!:clap::clap::amen::amen:

Very good point. I have gotten in trouble before for posting the gospel message where I was allowed to post. I think I'll try it again soon in several areas for a stretch of time. If I get banned then so be it. At least it is better then just leaving the site without a fight for the gospel truth. :thumbsup:

[kobuk]

It's important to understand the significance of the change from "Christian Forums" to "Foru.ms". I think mostly it represents this Forum owner's original desire to have a hassle free Forum.

I've mentioned in another post what a major conflict it was to have people "self defining christianity" as the only basis of establishing themselves as being christians. It was an impossibility trying to become possible. It was illogical.

Yahshua saves lost sinners. It's only that conversion that makes a true christian. Not anything that's just in someone's head.

[DeaconDean]

You know guys, I have been giving this a lot of thought and have come to a conclusion. As long as we are here so will Jesus. Erwin can change whatever he wants but he has nothing on Jesus our Lord.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.


The light shines in the darkness, that is us guys. We are the light.!! We shine in the dark days and we will bring light to his site. I say we rejoice in the gift that we can still fellowship together and have the opportunity to spread the gospel. Praise God!!!:clap::clap::amen::amen:


Brother, I can sympathize with you. I see that your intentions are honest, sincere, and well mean. But, (you knew there would be a but didn't you) what has been done in the last month and a half is inexcusable.

Yes, we need to stay to continue to witness for Christ, you'll get no argument from me about that. But as more and more non-Christians come here, there are more and more complaints about the "Christians." And there is already agnostics and atheists complaining about the Christians here.

Christians are not perfect, we are just as human as the next person. But here, in light of the agnostics and atheists, we are supposed to be. And when we aren't, that is being used against us.

We forgiven, not perfect. But we will be one day, praise God.

The second thing is that in light of Erwin's first round of reforms, we can no longer question as to whether or not the Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Mormons are Christians. Whereas scriptures tell us that anybody who denies the deity of Christ is "antichrist," we can't even use scripture for that purpose.

Thirdly, the mission of this web-site was to unite Christins in universal praise of our Lord Jesus Christ. not to unite all Christians in one "universal church." Now, the mission is gone.

Fourthly, Erwin has stated that his vision now is for more outreach. Well the fact stands that with the new name change, Christian Forums can no longer be found. Googling "Christian" and Forums" would bring this place right to the top of the list. That no longer is happening. Googling "Christian" no longer even associates this place with Christ.

Fifth, with Christ taken out of the equation, this place might as be one of any number of "chat rooms" out there on the World Wide Web.

Sixth, with Christian taken out of ther name, the focus is gone. The primary focus of this forum was Christ. but with "Christain" gone, the focus is no longer on the Christian or Christ. Its just a place to come and chit-chat, and if Christ happens to come up, "OK."

Seventhly, the owner of this web site repeatedly said he would follow with what the majority wanted. 55% to 45% is a majority, granted its a small majority, but a majority nonetheless. And he has not adhered to that.

Eighth, while technically people have been working hard to exclude others from these rooms unless they are adhereants to whichever belief applies, what will happen when the JW's, and the Mormons, and the Unitarians, and the Humanists, are given their own room in the faith section and then moderators and supervisors and eventually, administrators are brought in. Soom all focus on "Christianity" will be gone. Rules will be ammeded to reflect the beliefs of those who are not part of "Orthodox" Christianity.

I came to this forum to fellowship with fellow Baptist, Fundamental, Reformed Christians. To help those who were "new" to the faith in their beliefs. I tried to witness and instruct in the former "Unorthodox Theology" and "Liberal Theology" sections, but with Orthodox beliefs being attacked and the person presenting these beliefs, it became not worth the effort. So I started focusing on helping those weak and new to the faith. And so far, I met with good success. But that will soon be gone.

Those who were restricted to Unorthodox and Liberal Theologies, are now free to roam these rooms and attack at liberty any tenant of Christianity as they see fit.

I gave up my position as Supervisor when Erwin initiated his first round of reforms. And the only reason I hang around here is to defend my Reformed, Fundamental, Orthodox, Baptist beliefs. And if I help a newbie in the process, I've acomplished my mission here.

But I also am practical. For I see the handwritting on the wall:

"Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided," -Dan. 5:24-28 (KJV)

Remember this, this place was once ran by Christians, for Christains. But Erwin has divided this place. This place is wanting. Christians are screaming all over this "forum" and it is falling on deaf ears. The focus has shifted from Christ to the secular, what good can come from that?

Before the reforms, I had friends all over this forum. But since I have resigned my position on the staff, those former friends are having nothing to do with me. So be it.

Friend I will support you till hell freezes over in your witnessing, but my primary focus here now, since Erwin killed everything we worked so hard for over the last three years, is to defend my Baptist beliefs, and help those new to the faith. I have been called to preach and teach, those are my spiritual gifts. And I plan on using them as such.

And I'm sorry but, I have watched over the last week that since Christ has been taken out of the name and focus of this forum, this place is gradually slidding down into the mud. Christians have been both leaving in a mass exodus, and Christians have been resigning more and more from the staff. Christians are talking, but no-one is listening.

So when talk on "How's the weather there?," and "How have you been this week?", and Did you see what happened in the workplace?" take the place of Christ, then you will know that this place has truly become a:

"Forum-based Social Network for You. (the world.)"

"MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided,"

God Bless

Till all are one.

[Hentenza]

Dean, my friend, I agree with you completely and my initial reaction was the same as yours. The website has indeed taken a several steps backwards, however, the only absolute truth is that if the Christians leave then evil has won. There is no way around that.

You know, your words remind me of Elijah and his flight from Jezebel. Elijah was a man of God who God used to do some mighty things. However, when word reached him that Jezebel had threatened his life, he ran (1 Kings chapter 19). Elijah prayed to the LORD and in effect complained about how he was being treated. "And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away" (1 Kings 19:10). The Lord's answer to Elijah is thrilling. "And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: 12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice" (1 Kings 19:11-12).

We see in these passages that what Elijah thought was not true. Elijah thought God was silent and that he was the only one left. God was not only "not silent" but He had an army waiting in the wings so that Elijah was not alone. "Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him" (1 Kings 19:18).

We Christians are that army waiting in the wings and we are not alone unless we leave and allow evil to roam freely. I don't know how long I will stay, Dean. I might hang around for a few months and see what happens or I might leave in the next month. But, I'll tell you this, I will leave when I am ready and not before.

This also reminds me of the words of an older fellow that came into my wife's scrapbook store a couple of years ago. It was a week before Christmas and he was shopping for some stocking stuffers for his wife and daughter. I was manning the cash register and, after he paid for his items, he told me in a somewhat joking manner "Merry Christmas, and if you don't like Christ in Christmas then hell is waiting". I looked at him and told him, "brother, you are among Christians so you have a merry Christmas also". He looked at me with tears in his eyes and said, "the devil is trying to take over all that Christ has built but he doesn't realize that his attempts have already been defeated". There is much truth in that statement.

Erwin made some very unwise and misguided changes that has affected the membership of this website tremendously. I don't presume to know what Erwin's real motivation behind the changes really is. It seems contradictory to what his "vision" is. For now, is a wait and see for me.

Your brother in Christ

[WannaWitness]

As long is there is still the opportunity for witnessing, helping others, fellowship and good clean fun, I'll still be here!

[Hentenza]

Here is something encouraging. Erwin's five Christian principles of Foru.ms.

http://foru.ms/t5966619-the-five-christian-principles-of-forums.html

[IamRedeemed]

Excellent post! I think it is ridiculous that some people think the uproar is strictly based on the name change.
Thank you for pointing out the facts!
The name change is merely an outward sign of what has taken place on the inside.

To those speaking against those that parted ways, while they glorify themselves for choosing to stay:

If your Church dethroned Christ tomorrow, would you stay and "make the best of it" (because you have Jesus) and 'as long as you are there, so is Jesus' or would you out of loyalty to the Lord, take a stand and separate yourself as a sign unto them and to the lost?

The site went wayward on 7/7/07. A lot of false hopes were spewed forth since then. Many members (like myself) stuck it out between then and now "to see".

So, when the site, (without notice mind you), became a social club that was simply the straw that broke the camel's back, and evidence that we all have been being deceived, that the whole while Jesus was being thrown out (just as we had thought) and the name change was simply the outer sign of such. All of the polls were nothing more than a hoax and a waste.

To condemn others who have walked away as I see some have been doing, while you lift yourselves up for the decision you made, is pretty self-righteous if you ask me.

The lost are everywhere. The reason to come here was that all were welcome AND Jesus was on the throne at this site (or so it appeared). He has since been dethroned and relativism and humanism are now the gods of this site.

It isn't about persecution or trials. We cannot escape those, Jesus said we will have them. It isn't about having to deal with the world. How incredibly shallow it is for anyone to believe that anyone has walked away for such a reason. Give me a break. It's about knowing when to dust your feet.

There are plenty of harvest fields to minister in, there is no reason to be a source of support for this particular site any more now that Jesus is not the Lord of it. It would be one thing if that is how it always was, it is quite another the way this went down.

I am glad to see that the Christian forums have been moved back up, but I am still very bothered as to why they were put at the bottom in the first place. Hiding our light? You have to ask yourself, why was the light of the site hidden at the bottom in the first place? What was the motivating factor? I'll tell you why. It was out of fear that the site would be rejected by newcomers who were not expecting to see a Christian site upon arrival. It is about being ashamed of Christ and more interested in the pleasing of man. It's that simple.

It is Erwin, not us, who doesn't want to deal with persecution and trials. He is the one who caved to the will of men instead of standing firm for the glory of God.

I will pop in (as long as I have membership) to touch base with some of the people I have made friends with here, (I do check my PMs when I get notifications as I did today) and perhaps give my 2 cents here and there, but I will no longer support a site that dethrones the Lord in the name of secular acceptance and popularity.

In Christ,

IamRedeemed

Brother, I can sympathize with you. I see that your intentions are honest, sincere, and well mean. But, (you knew there would be a but didn't you) what has been done in the last month and a half is inexcusable.

Yes, we need to stay to continue to witness for Christ, you'll get no argument from me about that. But as more and more non-Christians come here, there are more and more complaints about the "Christians." And there is already agnostics and atheists complaining about the Christians here.

Christians are not perfect, we are just as human as the next person. But here, in light of the agnostics and atheists, we are supposed to be. And when we aren't, that is being used against us.

We forgiven, not perfect. But we will be one day, praise God.

The second thing is that in light of Erwin's first round of reforms, we can no longer question as to whether or not the Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Mormons are Christians. Whereas scriptures tell us that anybody who denies the deity of Christ is "antichrist," we can't even use scripture for that purpose.

Thirdly, the mission of this web-site was to unite Christins in universal praise of our Lord Jesus Christ. not to unite all Christians in one "universal church." Now, the mission is gone.

Fourthly, Erwin has stated that his vision now is for more outreach. Well the fact stands that with the new name change, Christian Forums can no longer be found. Googling "Christian" and Forums" would bring this place right to the top of the list. That no longer is happening. Googling "Christian" no longer even associates this place with Christ.

Fifth, with Christ taken out of the equation, this place might as be one of any number of "chat rooms" out there on the World Wide Web.

Sixth, with Christian taken out of ther name, the focus is gone. The primary focus of this forum was Christ. but with "Christain" gone, the focus is no longer on the Christian or Christ. Its just a place to come and chit-chat, and if Christ happens to come up, "OK."

Seventhly, the owner of this web site repeatedly said he would follow with what the majority wanted. 55% to 45% is a majority, granted its a small majority, but a majority nonetheless. And he has not adhered to that.

Eighth, while technically people have been working hard to exclude others from these rooms unless they are adhereants to whichever belief applies, what will happen when the JW's, and the Mormons, and the Unitarians, and the Humanists, are given their own room in the faith section and then moderators and supervisors and eventually, administrators are brought in. Soom all focus on "Christianity" will be gone. Rules will be ammeded to reflect the beliefs of those who are not part of "Orthodox" Christianity.

I came to this forum to fellowship with fellow Baptist, Fundamental, Reformed Christians. To help those who were "new" to the faith in their beliefs. I tried to witness and instruct in the former "Unorthodox Theology" and "Liberal Theology" sections, but with Orthodox beliefs being attacked and the person presenting these beliefs, it became not worth the effort. So I started focusing on helping those weak and new to the faith. And so far, I met with good success. But that will soon be gone.

Those who were restricted to Unorthodox and Liberal Theologies, are now free to roam these rooms and attack at liberty any tenant of Christianity as they see fit.

I gave up my position as Supervisor when Erwin initiated his first round of reforms. And the only reason I hang around here is to defend my Reformed, Fundamental, Orthodox, Baptist beliefs. And if I help a newbie in the process, I've acomplished my mission here.

But I also am practical. For I see the handwritting on the wall:

"Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written. And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided," -Dan. 5:24-28 (KJV)

Remember this, this place was once ran by Christians, for Christains. But Erwin has divided this place. This place is wanting. Christians are screaming all over this "forum" and it is falling on deaf ears. The focus has shifted from Christ to the secular, what good can come from that?

Before the reforms, I had friends all over this forum. But since I have resigned my position on the staff, those former friends are having nothing to do with me. So be it.

Friend I will support you till hell freezes over in your witnessing, but my primary focus here now, since Erwin killed everything we worked so hard for over the last three years, is to defend my Baptist beliefs, and help those new to the faith. I have been called to preach and teach, those are my spiritual gifts. And I plan on using them as such.

And I'm sorry but, I have watched over the last week that since Christ has been taken out of the name and focus of this forum, this place is gradually slidding down into the mud. Christians have been both leaving in a mass exodus, and Christians have been resigning more and more from the staff. Christians are talking, but no-one is listening.

So when talk on "How's the weather there?," and "How have you been this week?", and Did you see what happened in the workplace?" take the place of Christ, then you will know that this place has truly become a:

"Forum-based Social Network for You. (the world.)"

"MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided,"

God Bless

Till all are one.

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, he posted that this morning I see. Well, I receive that as evidence that the Holy Spirit is convicting him in his conscience. Praise the Lord, that his conscience isn't seared. He knows what he did was wrong, but now he has 7K invested in it. (which will make it difficult for him to change his mind)

I see he also made a new statement on the top of the site which says that the site is based on "christian (uncapitalized) ethos". How encyclopedic. I have to wonder if maybe those are just a couple of doggie bones, or if it really is signs of some necessary back stepping. Only the Lord knows for sure at this moment. I hope it is the latter.



Here is something encouraging. Erwin's five Christian principles of Foru.ms.

http://foru.ms/t5966619-the-five-christian-principles-of-forums.html

[kobuk]

I've yet to find a "christian forum" that's not so stupid and gullible about the evil tricks Satan and his dupes, that they actually serve the darkside as hostile perception controllers. Driven by pride of course.

We have a President who left his teeth marks in some Satanist corpse in Brownsville Texas. Try to mention that one on a typical rabid republican pro-iraq war, flag waving "christian forum".

Facts get in the way of pride. Facts get in the way of making money off of religion or gaining political favors or the power itself.

Here we have a Fundamentalist Congregation where visitors can learn what it means to say Sola Scriptura. That's worth something.

[Armistead]

I am new here, but it appears in the past changes were made, making it more of a secular site.

I am a Christian. I post on other sites and often get in trouble, banned, ect. But I like to debate all issues using scripture. Some sites can't do that. I think scripture can
support itself and we should not fear debating any issue.

I oppose legalism that is often found in fund. churches, but my core beliefs remain strong.

After looking over the forums, I am disturbed by many of the things I see here. It appears to be more of a secular site. I would hope that they would allow all debate, but
do away with many of the bitter attacks made on Christians here. Some postings get nasty, full of bad language, ect.


Hope they work it out and clean it up some.

[IamRedeemed]

Hi all,

I am encouraged to see the new banners as well as the post in the announcements
that I guess Erwin must have posted yesterday, although I just now saw it.

The 5 Principles are a great start, the only thing is, I don't know how
atheists and unbelieving mods will be able to abide by them, and I did
present that question........

Wishing you all God's blessing, in Christ,

IamRedeemed

[~A.Pure.Heart~]

My Pastor would say this name change was an effort to make christianity more world friendly.

But, I agree, the only thing necessary for evil to prevail is if the righteous give up ground. So, I'll try to be a light. I'ld like to stay.

But, I am also mindful of my Pastor's admonishment, "nearness is likeness" and will have to leave if it starts to hurt my walk in Christ. We all too often think that we'll be able to pull people up, but it is a proven fact that it's more likely that they will pull us down.

[No Swansong]

Hi all,

I am encouraged to see the new banners as well as the post in the announcements
that I guess Erwin must have posted yesterday, although I just now saw it.

The 5 Principles are a great start, the only thing is, I don't know how
atheists and unbelieving mods will be able to abide by them, and I did
present that question........

Wishing you all God's blessing, in Christ,

IamRedeemed

The problem with the five principles is who they came from. I have been here long enough to watch Erwin make many comments such as "as long as I am webmaster [insert comment here])

According to Erwin as long as he is webmaster the Nicene Creed would be used as the definition of Christian, according to Erwin as long as he is webmaster non-christians would never be on staff or have a say in rules etc.

According to Erwin he would listen to the majority etc. etc. etc. The only thing Erwin has been consistent about is his inconsistency. I have learned the hard way that you cannot trust his word.

The problem with the 5 principles is that you better not build on them because the only sure thing is that they will eventually change.

[DeaconDean]

The problem with the five principles is who they came from. I have been here long enough to watch Erwin make many comments such as "as long as I am webmaster [insert comment here])

According to Erwin as long as he is webmaster the Nicene Creed would be used as the definition of Christian, according to Erwin as long as he is webmaster non-christians would never be on staff or have a say in rules etc.

According to Erwin he would listen to the majority etc. etc. etc. The only thing Erwin has been consistent about is his inconsistency. I have learned the hard way that you cannot trust his word.

The problem with the 5 principles is that you better not build on them because the only sure thing is that they will eventually change.

Amen brother, preach it!

What Erwin has proven to me with all his double talk is this:

"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways." -Jas. 1:8 (KJV)

As the American Indians are reported to have said:

"White man speaketh with forked tongue."

God Bless

Till all are one.

[~A.Pure.Heart~]

The problem with the five principles is who they came from. I have been here long enough to watch Erwin make many comments such as "as long as I am webmaster [insert comment here])

According to Erwin as long as he is webmaster the Nicene Creed would be used as the definition of Christian, according to Erwin as long as he is webmaster non-christians would never be on staff or have a say in rules etc.

According to Erwin he would listen to the majority etc. etc. etc. The only thing Erwin has been consistent about is his inconsistency. I have learned the hard way that you cannot trust his word.

The problem with the 5 principles is that you better not build on them because the only sure thing is that they will eventually change.

Do you think an internet discussion board webmaster should be held as accountable to God for an internet web-site as a pastor is for his congregation?

Or will you concede he's just a man, as imperfect as the rest, trying to make a place that welcomes everyone, as Jesus did? And falling short, though his heart is in the right place?

[~A.Pure.Heart~]

I didn't see the "I am away, don't bother replying to me" comment before posting. :sigh:

[desmalia]

The problem with the five principles is who they came from. I have been here long enough to watch Erwin make many comments such as "as long as I am webmaster [insert comment here])

According to Erwin as long as he is webmaster the Nicene Creed would be used as the definition of Christian, according to Erwin as long as he is webmaster non-christians would never be on staff or have a say in rules etc.

According to Erwin he would listen to the majority etc. etc. etc. The only thing Erwin has been consistent about is his inconsistency. I have learned the hard way that you cannot trust his word.

The problem with the 5 principles is that you better not build on them because the only sure thing is that they will eventually change.
YUP

[kobuk]

I think the only reason i'm still here is because i've enjoyed the learning from other fundamentalists and i've enjoyed sharing my own knowledge here too.

Another reason i'm here is because i've yet to find an alternative that does not make me want to puke my guts out in disgust. What's a lot more disgusting? Websites that claim to be on the inside track with Yahshua spiritually, but in reality are duped, dangerous and spiritually dumb as dodo birds. Oops, sorry to insult the dodo bird. They at least had a legitimate reason for being so damned dumb. No predators and an easy lifestyle on an island paradise.

I could explain further but i don't want to dump that out here, if ever anywhere on this Forum. Unless specifically asked to explain. Then we could go PM and cover all the reasons why for instance on Baptist Boards there is a very nasty war going on. Between the blind who lead other blind and those who can actually see and be spiritually smart. Smart enough, thanks to the Holy Spirit, to know of our main enemies in the world and their tactics. The basics anyways. We're not supposed to spend all our time observing evil. But a good look at them now and then fills in all the gaps in our understanding, so we are never caught being stupid or being duped.

[monkeypsycho62]

The website has indeed taken a several steps backwards, however, the only absolute truth is that if the Christians leave then evil has won. There is no way around that.

I'm evil? :(

[kobuk]

Hmmm. Has anyone thought yet about what would happen to this Congregation Area if we all go away?

Do we want Satan representing our position? Next thing you know, all the great Fundamentalist preachers will begin to be discredited. And the name Fundamentalist applied to those who are not.

Granted, we all have to assess where our Creator calls us to be. We can't waste time on the internet defending a place on a Forum if that Forum is of no consequence anymore.

For the moment though, this Forum does still have more traffic that probably a dozen of the next in line popular "christian" Forums. There is also still some value here in witnessing to genuine truthseekers.

[No Swansong]

Do you think an internet discussion board webmaster should be held as accountable to God for an internet web-site as a pastor is for his congregation?

Or will you concede he's just a man, as imperfect as the rest, trying to make a place that welcomes everyone, as Jesus did? And falling short, though his heart is in the right place?
I believe he is a man and as a man I expect him to keep his word, especially in such issues. As for his heart being in the right place that is a judgment call and I have seen and experienced far too much both on staff and off to give him the benefit of that doubt. Like I said stick around long enough and you will learn that Erwin will again change his mind. And the people that he will hurt and affect the most will be the ones who have served this board to make it a quality board. It always happens that way.

I would also point out two very important differences between Jesus and Erwin. Jesus is God and is perfect and although he welcomed everyone he also told them of their need to repent and change their lives. He told them to stop sinning. You cannot do that here. Additionally Jesus would not have approved that anyone who calls themselves "Christian" is.

[No Swansong]

I'm evil? :(
To answer your question, according to Scripture we are all Evil. The only thing that makes a Christian redeemable is Christ.

[lismore]

Dean, my friend, I agree with you completely and my initial reaction was the same as yours. The website has indeed taken a several steps backwards, however, the only absolute truth is that if the Christians leave then evil has won. There is no way around that.


Yes I agree. But I think changes have been creeping on here over the last couple of years. With the renaming it has been more dramatic of course.

I have noticed in the SFPC forum that more people have been creeping in, denying that Jesus is the only way to God etc, more odd doctrines creeping in under the wire, more 'inclusion' based on sacrificing some part of the gospel. I used to post on the General Theology board but that went crazy over a year back, like one big all out war on the gospel.

But I agree with you, if all the people preaching the truth were to leave, only the false would be left.

:wave:

[VCViking]

This site is going down the tubes.

The owner should be ashamed.

[kobuk]

I've refined my option to stay by just staying in the Fundamentalist Congregation Area. Yahshua can lead honest truthseekers here.

[cubanito]

OK now kobuk, easy there fellow, Bush bite marks on a Satanist corpse?

You need some contemplative time, may I offer you some prayer beads or a rosary perhaps? Maybe you just need to get in touch w your feminine side, so perhaps an Origen orchiectomy?

Just calm down a bit man, more than your arm is liable to come off.

Get some gel insoles or something so "you be gelling" instead of yelling.

Hard to believe the Hippo is trying to calm somebody down...

JR

[Hentenza]

LOL!!!! It's nice to see you JR. I see the hippo still has a sense of humor.^_^^_^:P

[kobuk]

OK now kobuk, easy there fellow, Bush bite marks on a Satanist corpse?

You need some contemplative time, may I offer you some prayer beads or a rosary perhaps? Maybe you just need to get in touch w your feminine side, so perhaps an Origen orchiectomy?

Just calm down a bit man, more than your arm is liable to come off.

Get some gel insoles or something so "you be gelling" instead of yelling.

Hard to believe the Hippo is trying to calm somebody down...

JR
I'm always calm. It's an insinuation to say i'm all riled up because my text does not reveal any inordinate aggression. You said the same thing about me in the RC thread where you said i was "angry". Others noticed that too and one brother rebuked you for it in that same thread. You're not doing any research, just assuming i'm completely wrong. I've just read some posts of yours that are gaming with my credibility. You do no research and try to ridicule mine.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28609

If the forum here is truely christian to any extentm it would also by definition then be blessed by Yahshua to that same extent. The Holy Spirit makes truthseekers out of His people. I honestly believe the results of my research and it's all backed up by many others who agree. True Fundamentalist preachers know all about Falwell and D jame Kennedy and Billy Graham and that whole bunch of liberals. We can't use the word heretic here so adjust things according. These men are liberals. Not Fundamentalists. The footnoted facts in my research greatly prove it. Don't put faith in a preacher who does things that are contrary to The Word of Yah. That's the mistake of those who adore certain preachers and then cannot believe facts about their liberalism.

Everything is not a joke cubanito. There's true Fundamentalist truthseekers here and the world is under seige by the Darkside. Some humor is healthy. Far to much humor becomes disruptive of what Yahshua has willed for His people to do with their new Christlike character He is giving to them.
(http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28609)

[Vambram]

Kobuk, when Yashua uses you as much as HE has used Jerry Falwell to defend Fundamentalism, to defend Fundamentalist doctrines, to spread the Gospel of Christ through the world, and to make disciples of believers, then and only then will your slanderous words against true servants of Yashua carry any authority to me.
The Fundamentalist Churches congregation area is NOT supposed to be an area where we cast slander upon some of the strongest defenders of Fundamentalism whom have recently passed away, and gone home to Heaven to be with their Lord and Savior.

[kobuk]

Kobuk, when Yashua uses you as much as HE has used Jerry Falwell to defend Fundamentalism, to defend Fundamentalist doctrines, to spread the Gospel of Christ through the world, and to make disciples of believers, then and only then will your slanderous words against true servants of Yashua carry any authority to me.
The Fundamentalist Churches congregation area is NOT supposed to be an area where we cast slander upon some of the strongest defenders of Fundamentalism whom have recently passed away, and gone home to Heaven to be with their Lord and Savior.
Stop gaming the system. It's dishonest. I slander no one but bring a refutation against their liberalism in especially the area of their extremely heavy ecumenism with RC-ism. They don't just accept RC-ism. They promote them. The Bible identifies what RC-ism is. Ian Paisley and thousands more the past 1000 year agree, And not seperating from the errors or RC-ism is not Fundamentalism. By definition. Calling this all "lies" is crude escapism of the facts and shows disrespect for the Fundamentalist standards Yahshua has tought me and every other truthseeker that's here.

By your definition the Apostles "slandered" all those they found to be teaching error and whom they then confronted with Yah's Word and biblically seperated from.

True Fundamentalists teach biblical seperation from RC-ism. Falwell and Kennedy teach yoking together. I've documented my position. It is not slander to refure clear error. I'm sure both men were loving fathers, husbands and friends. This never was about their personal lives. I'm refuting their rejection of Yah's commands to SEPERATE which serves to also rule to them out as being true Fundamentalists. They were not.

Deal with their yoking with RC-ism Vambram. Don't like the word "yoke", we can use the word "ecumenism".

Grow up and debate fair and square without trying to rake hot coals over me with accusations that i'm slandering. I followed Biblical principles in setting up my position. Justify the contradiction i've documented using the Scriptures. Not just your feeling that these two were great Fundamentalists. Explain their heavy ecumenism with RC-ism, which went against Yah's Word. I bet you can't. Just because it's impossible to. Seperation is a commandment we have been given by Yahshua. Obey or disobey is of course always an option if another agenda is more valued than the intent of the command, which is to preserve and protect Local Churches from harm.

Winning by getting someone banned is called gaming a forum. I've slandered no one. Many other Fundamentalists have rebuked these two men based solely on Yah's Word exactly as i have. I frequently hear these rebukes in sermons preached by True Fundamentalist Preachers. Praise Yah a few still exist on this planet! Ian Paiseley, David Cloud and a few hundred more. Wonderful faithful honest men. Who have spiritual discernment in these matters.

[Vambram]

I have explained their political associations with them, but you have chosen to ignore those explanations. You, sir, are the one who needs to grow up and stop disparaging servants of your Savior and mine, Yashua. Fundamentalists need to stand together, not create schisms within ourselves. Your words are little more than attempts to create divisions among Fundamentalists, and dishonor the memories of Fundamentalists whom faithfully have served the same Savior that you serve. I will not stand by idly and watch one Fundamentalist insult the memory of servants of the Savior.

[No Swansong]

I cannot speak for D. James Kennedy, (although many of his sermons are on my Zune and so far I have found him very Orthodox.) But I can speak for fallwell. While I agree we are called to separate, finding common ground does not violate separation and like it or not there is common ground between Fundamentalism and Roman Catholicism, Fallwell was constantly seeking common ground. (at least the average Catholic if not the Church) I know this will be an unpopular post but hey I've never really worried about popularity.

[kobuk]

The issue appears to be between those here who do not consider the sum total of Falwell's and Kennedy's very close ties with RC-ism to represent a comprimise with Yah's Word.

I choose to stand with Fundamentalist Preachers like David Cloud on this issue. We considered the evidence and made what we consider to be a decision that is faithful to our Creator's implied intent of all of His many commands to Seperate. We've been accused of everything from slander to being divisive because of our loyalties. Let Yah be the final judge on that.

Let the subject cool off for awhile. It's been too heavily gamed for one thing. Wow has it ever.

[Vambram]

Logically, if one were to follow your idea and David Cloud's idea of separation, then it is wrong to have any kind of any sort of association with anyone whom does not believe each and every doctrine the same way as you do.

[VCViking]

Logically, if one were to follow your idea and David Cloud's idea of separation, then it is wrong to have any kind of any sort of association with anyone whom does not believe each and every doctrine the same way as you do.


That's not necessarily true. In Pastor Cloud's book, Way of Life Encylopedia and on his website, I find him not to be as legalistic as many others. I don't agree with everything Pastor Cloud says but I find him to be sound and holding to the truth. You would be surprised to some of the things he allows or gives discretion to.