An Open Letter to Erwin: Ya Done GOOD, Bro!

[IisJustMe]

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[LilLamb219]

Purposely admits to spamming all the congregational forums? :doh:

[IisJustMe]

Purposely admits to spamming all the congregational forums? :doh:And I apologize for breaking forum rules. In reality, at the time, I didn't think of it as a violation, but I realize now that it is, and I'm sorry. But there was so much negativity being bandied about regarding the changes, and it was the best way I could think of to, in a hurry, bring the discussion around to what I believe is Erwin's viewpoint.

My bad, my bad ... mea culpa, mea culpa.Please forgive me.

My execution stunk, but my intent was in the best interests of the forum.

[LilLamb219]

I forgive you. I wouldn't want to work the report anyway ;)

[PreachersWife2004]

I'm sorry, that makes absolutely sense. In a world where being a Christian is increasingly difficult, Erwin takes the Christianity out of his site. Yeah, perfect sense.

I think I'll go tell my husband to take the Lutheran off our church sign, and for good measure, I'll have him take the cross down. That oughta bring in the unbelievers, right?!

[Luther073082]

I'm sorry, that makes absolutely sense. In a world where being a Christian is increasingly difficult, Erwin takes the Christianity out of his site. Yeah, perfect sense.

I think I'll go tell my husband to take the Lutheran off our church sign, and for good measure, I'll have him take the cross down. That oughta bring in the unbelievers, right?!

Yeah and he can rename it "Super secular happy fun land."

Its getting ridiculous, look at this thread I posted in response to a dutch bishop adovcating referring to God as "Allah", calling church's mosques, and celibrating rahmedah. . .

And to think that some of our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters actually agree its a good idea!!!

http://foru.ms/t5917506-blasphamy.html

[BreadAlone]

I'm sorry, that makes absolutely sense. In a world where being a Christian is increasingly difficult, Erwin takes the Christianity out of his site. Yeah, perfect sense.

I think I'll go tell my husband to take the Lutheran off our church sign, and for good measure, I'll have him take the cross down. That oughta bring in the unbelievers, right?!
This is the best way to phrase it. Taking the Cross and Christ out of everything so we can have one big party doesn't make it a good thing. This site was the church at one point, but really no longer. Don't get me wrong, WE are still the church, but I don't think this site is home to that philosophy any longer.. :(

[DaSeminarian]

This is the best way to phrase it. Taking the Cross and Christ out of everything so we can have one big party doesn't make it a good thing. This site was the church at one point, but really no longer. Don't get me wrong, WE are still the church, but I don't think this site is home to that philosophy any longer.. :(


It is because the Cross offends non-believers. That is what all of the Mega churches are doing to bring people in the doors.

[DaRev]

It is because the Cross offends non-believers. That is what all of the Mega churches are doing to bring people in the doors.

All numbers, no Gospel.

I wonder if Erwin has heard of "Ablaze"? ^_^ ^_^

[PreachersWife2004]

... to witnessing to unbelievers? Did anyone suggest not mentioning Jesus in the process of having a dialogue with the worldly? Erwin has done nothing other than open up the forum to unbelievers who would not darken the door of a church, or acquire a log-on to a site with the name "Christian" in the title. In the process of their efforts to demean, they just might get a message they can live with! Obviously I mean that literally.

PS: It's "R-A-M-A-D-A-N" Last I looked, this forum wasn't a church. And for the reason I suggested to Luther above, Erwin has accomplished something that forces us out of our comfort zone and into the real world where people need Jesus.

The tone of both your posts suggests there is just the slightest possibility you may need to look outside that zone yourselves. Or do you honestly believe that you are not a "holy priesthood" called to witness of Christ, and Him crucified? Or that the people you need to witness to are going to show up at your church doorstep?

They might, but its doubtful. You need to go to them, or establish a place (like "foru.ms") that they don't feel threatened by the Name they fear. Then, when they least expect it, you BASH 'EM OVER THE HEAD ... WITH LOVE!

Can you imagine? Witnessing Christ to someone who came in thinking they already had all the answers. The would-be "witness" becomes the one to whom Christ is witnessed! Wow!!

Don't know about you, but it gives me goosebumps.

PS:You're right, it does make "absolutely sense" ... which was my source of disappointment when I discovered your opening sentence was just a typo.


You like to pick on typos, don't you?

People who come here now aren't going to be looking for Christian answers...there's nothing that indicates it as such. People aren't even going to come here to debate with the Christians. They don't know there's Christians here, on an initial peek. That's not how we're supposed to "witness"!

You can kiss Erwin's butt all you want...I am saddened at the way this site has changed, all to please the masses. Erwin's message didn't come from God...God wouldn't say "Take my name out of the game"...no, Erwin's message came straight from the devil himself, and Erwin let himself be deceived.

[Nec5]

They might, but its doubtful. You need to go to them, or establish a place (like "foru.ms") that they don't feel threatened by the Name they fear. Then, when they least expect it, you BASH 'EM OVER THE HEAD ... WITH LOVE!More like a bait-and-switch approach. Hardly honest. Hardly straightforward. Hardly Christ-like. My agnostic and atheist friends see it the same way. No amount of rationalizing can change the ob.vious.

[Nec5]

Reading through most of these posts makes me sick.

Don't you think something is wrong with a group of people who claim they follow Jesus yet throw a fit because "sinners" are allowed into their presence?Holy straw man, Batman.

[PreachersWife2004]

So the best way to evangelize now is to take Christianity out of the mix?

Hardly.

As for those who think this is about me not wanting to "associate" with unbelievers, I'd like to know where you get that idea?

This isn't about unbelievers not being welcome here. Unbelievers, doubters, etc were ALWAYS welcome here. They weren't welcome to come in and insult our faith, they weren't welcome to come in and debate doctrinal differences within the denominational fora. They were welcome to come and ask questions, and to fellowship with us.

Now...the rules have changed, and we've already had to deal with countless aggressors. I came here for fellowship and support. If I want to debate, I go to the debate forum, where I realize that I may deal with people who don't believe the same as me, who will disagree with me, and who might not even be polite about it.

This was my sanctuary in an-increasingly un-Christian world. I LOVED the fact that the site was proud of its Christian leanings. When Erwin first unveiled the site changes, I wasn't pleased with them, but the site still had the Christian slant, even if Erwin was looking the other direction. Now? No hint of Christianity.

This is NOT how we are to evangelize. We aren't supposed to hide that light under the bushel. We are supposed to go and preach the good news to ALL nations, not hide behind a secular banner and hope to God that someone might come to faith by accidentally reading one of the theology threads.

[Melethiel]

The forum was already opened to unbelievers last month. Most of the unbelievers I've talked to (there's a thread in NCR) are just as unhappy with this new change as the Christians. Why? Because they were looking for a forum to talk to Christians. This new approach is tantamount to deception - pull them in with "social networking," and then try to sneak in some Christ.

[CaliforniaJosiah]

If you move to some other interdenominational site, let me know. I can't say (publicly) where I'm "parked" for now, but I'm sure looking for something like CF once was. You can PM me here at the former CF.


Thanks!


- Josiah

[Luther073082]

Give it time and the Christian flavor that is in this forums will slowly wither away into either a muti-religious or secular flavor.

[PreachersWife2004]

Give it time and the Christian flavor that is in this forums will slowly wither away into either a muti-religious or secular flavor.

Exactly.

I will stay here until that happens. When it does, I will move on.

[DaRev]

The name was "Christian Forums" not "God Forums" ...

So, you don't believe that Christ is God?

[LilLamb219]

Until you get over that erroneous perception, you are arguing from a point that does not exist.

Now I really am done. Argumentative viewpoints that have no basis are pointless.


Edited...working on this reply...

TCL allows for a certain amount of debate in the forum, but in our Master Rule List (see sticky http://foru.ms/t5674902-master-rule-list-subject-to-change.html) it says "there is a limit to how much debating people who are not full members will be allowed" and "nor are they to repeatedly try to make the same point after it has been answered by full members".

[QuiltAngel]

it is not the fact that nonbelievers and sinners come to this site. That is a good thing and we welcome discussions with nonbelievers. We recognize that we are all sinners.

It is not that we are against envangelizing. I look at the people in TCL and on this thread and I can safely say none are against that.

It is the taking of the word "Christian" out of the name of the forum as well as what seems like removing Christianity from focus entirely. It is like Erwin is ashamed of the Gospel. What was once a beacon for the lost and the saved is now, just another website.

I see people say that the fact that this is no longer named Christian Forums is not going to change things. We, respectfully, disagree with that. Many of us, believers and nonbelievers alike, got here by googling words that included Christian.

If Erwin wants to do the things he has done so far, that is fine, we just don't have to like it.

That is my two cents

[DaSeminarian]

Reading through most of these posts makes me sick.

Don't you think something is wrong with a group of people who claim they follow Jesus yet throw a fit because "sinners" are allowed into their presence?

Who said we were throwing a fit because "sinners" were allowed into our presence? I don't think anyone here said that so you are twisting our words around.

We are all sinners and we here are all Christians. We confess Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. We sin everyday so how would we throw a fit because other sinners come here. There would no point to come here ourselves if that were the case.


Jesus says in Luke that He came to seek and save what is lost. Over an over again in the gospels we read about Him hanging out with the unrighteous and the "sinners" over the major religious leaders and "good people" of His day. His closest friends were cowards, thieves, terrorists, prostitutes, rednecks, and bad-tempered men.

If Jesus were registered as a user here on these forums, do you think He'd have a problem with people like that posting around Him, or would He prefer to have his own little corner of the internet where He could be "safe"?

An online community with 200,000 registered users the majority of which are Christians, that is run by Christian administrators, and operates based upon Christian principles no longer has the word "Christian" in its name. Big deal. Do you really think things are going to change that drastically?
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I absolutely do think that. Because when the word Christian was on the name of the forums, people knew what these forums stood for and were about. Now what do they see? It is a joke and now anyone who comes here will have carte blanche to persecute Christians even more than before. I don't care if they come here wanting to learn, but they don't have that encouragement now.
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Non-Christians can now access the faith forums. Good! I hope they learn something. But I hope they don't come here and read this thread.


If anything they learn more positive from us than they do ever from the American Evangelical cults. You guys are more theologically confusing than the RCs or the EOs. As far as I am concerned I would rather deal with the sinners than you. You give Christianity a lousy name.


Your attitudes are horrible. Get out of your holy-huddles, love the newcomers, and strive to win souls for Christ.

Tell me how do YOU do that? What special magical way do you have to win souls for Christ. We give them the truth in Word and Sacrament in the Lutheran CHurch. You give them LAW. Little or no Gospel.

I'm sorry but if I go any further on this post I am likely to lose my temper and say something that I will regret later and have to ask forgiveness. So I will stop here short of sinning.

G'day
Scott

[DaSeminarian]

The name was "Christian Forums" not "God Forums" ... a Christian is a follower of Christ, not Christ Himself. And many Christians took themselves out of the game by refusing to associate with unbelievers long before Erwin made his changes..If it is "being deceived" to get a heart for evangelism, and forcing otherwise good Christian people off their duffs and into the mission field, then I say "Let the deception spread." I say this with all love, but this is the attitude I originally wrote about. Stop hiding in your husband's church, in your faith, in your self-righteousness,and tell the world about Jesus! Fulfill the Great Commission.

God bless one an all. I'm done here.





Good bye. Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Split ya.

[Zecryphon]

I'm sorry, that makes absolutely sense. In a world where being a Christian is increasingly difficult, Erwin takes the Christianity out of his site. Yeah, perfect sense.

I think I'll go tell my husband to take the Lutheran off our church sign, and for good measure, I'll have him take the cross down. That oughta bring in the unbelievers, right?!
That will bring them in in droves. Now when you take the Lutheran name off of the sign, be sure replace it with an E for Emergent. Once you've done that, ditch the doctrines on election, ditch the law, bring in a praise band, focus solely on grace and love, and when all else fails remember that God loves YOU, Jesus died for YOU and Hell is just a myth thought up by the fundamentalists to scare people into becoming Christian. Because we all know that a loving God would not send someone to Hell. LOL

[LilLamb219]

Slippery Slope, huh?

[PreachersWife2004]

That will bring them in in droves. Now when you take the Lutheran name off of the sign, be sure replace it with an E for Emergent. Once you've done that, ditch the doctrines on election, ditch the law, bring in a praise band, focus solely on grace and love, and when all else fails remember that God loves YOU, Jesus died for YOU and Hell is just a myth thought up by the fundamentalists to scare people into becoming Christian. Because we all know that a loving God would not send someone to Hell. LOL

My husband also suggested we put "free beer" on the sign, and have a poker night on Tuesdays.

[Zecryphon]

... to witnessing to unbelievers? Did anyone suggest not mentioning Jesus in the process of having a dialogue with the worldly? Erwin has done nothing other than open up the forum to unbelievers who would not darken the door of a church, or acquire a log-on to a site with the name "Christian" in the title. In the process of their efforts to demean, they just might get a message they can live with! Obviously I mean that literally.

PS: It's "R-A-M-A-D-A-N" Last I looked, this forum wasn't a church. And for the reason I suggested to Luther above, Erwin has accomplished something that forces us out of our comfort zone and into the real world where people need Jesus.

The tone of both your posts suggests there is just the slightest possibility you may need to look outside that zone yourselves. Or do you honestly believe that you are not a "holy priesthood" called to witness of Christ, and Him crucified? Or that the people you need to witness to are going to show up at your church doorstep?

They might, but its doubtful. You need to go to them, or establish a place (like "foru.ms") that they don't feel threatened by the Name they fear. Then, when they least expect it, you BASH 'EM OVER THE HEAD ... WITH LOVE!

Can you imagine? Witnessing Christ to someone who came in thinking they already had all the answers. The would-be "witness" becomes the one to whom Christ is witnessed! Wow!!

Don't know about you, but it gives me goosebumps.

PS:You're right, it does make "absolutely sense" ... which was my source of disappointment when I discovered your opening sentence was just a typo.

"Last I looked, this forum wasn't a church."

Nope, churches exist for the gathering of the flock to learn and to fellowship and exist for the believer, not to pander to the unbeliever and what they feel God should be like.

"And for the reason I suggested to Luther above, Erwin has accomplished something that forces us out of our comfort zone and into the real world where people need Jesus."

Yep, it forces you straight into a world where Jesus is a myth concocted by people who need to believe there is an afterlife to help them deal with the reality of death. That's one I've heard and probably among my favorites of the lies that come from the lips on atheists, agnostics and other non-believers. You'll hear it all, trust me, but the difference now is you'll have nowhere to retreat to to get away from the nonsense and lies. Everything you believe, you will have to defend over and over again. It's a never ending routine. I used to mod a forum that operated that way, it was one giant free-for-all, have fun playing the game. Because while you're going to be seriously trying to share the gospel these people are going to be seriously mocking you and laughing at you.

"The tone of both your posts suggests there is just the slightest possibility you may need to look outside that zone yourselves."

Assumptions on your part do not constitute a factual statement.

"Or do you honestly believe that you are not a "holy priesthood" called to witness of Christ, and Him crucified?"

I don't believe anyone has said that.

"Or that the people you need to witness to are going to show up at your church doorstep?"

The church doorstep is a good place to look, cuz I guarantee not everyone in every church is soundly saved, the grocery store, the car wash, the hospital, the gas station, the pizza parlor, you name it. The internet is great because it brings all those people from all those places and puts them in one place which is convenient for witnessing and when neccessary debating and arguing.

"They might, but its doubtful."

No, it's highly probable that there are people in your church, yes even your church, that are not soundly saved.

"You need to go to them,"

No need anymore. Erwin just blew the forums wide open and took out the threatening name of Christ so the sinners aren't scared to come here anymore. They'll be coming to us, no need to go find them.

"or establish a place (like "foru.ms") that they don't feel threatened by the Name they fear."

Yeah, never want people feeling threatened with the fires of hell now do we? No, take the name of Christ out of the forum's name and then when people come here to network socially and hook up or whatever it is they're going to do here, then we can hit them with the gospel and present them with something they never went looking for. Kind of a bait and switch routine. Bring them in under the guise of social networking and witness to them. Real geuniune like. LOL

"Then, when they least expect it, you BASH 'EM OVER THE HEAD ... WITH LOVE!"

Yeah cuz people are ALWAYS driven to their knees in repentance before a wrathful God because of love. How about a little law with your gospel there. Give 'em love only and you're gonna love 'em straight into the fires of Hell.

"Can you imagine? Witnessing Christ to someone who came in thinking they already had all the answers."

Let me know how that goes for you. I already know how it's going to go, but I think you need a bit of an eye-opener on this one. How long do you think this soul harvest will take? How many atheists do you think you are really going to convert? I have never ever seen anybody switch sides. I've never seen an atheist become a Christian and vice-versa. It may happen all the time, I've just never seen it.

"The would-be "witness" becomes the one to whom Christ is witnessed! Wow!!

Don't know about you, but it gives me goosebumps."

Good luck. You're gonna need it and alot of the atheists that you think are gonna be easy pickins, are ex-Christians, so they most likely know this stuff better than you do.

[Zecryphon]

Reading through most of these posts makes me sick.

Don't you think something is wrong with a group of people who claim they follow Jesus yet throw a fit because "sinners" are allowed into their presence?

Jesus says in Luke that He came to seek and save what is lost. Over an over again in the gospels we read about Him hanging out with the unrighteous and the "sinners" over the major religious leaders and "good people" of His day. His closest friends were cowards, thieves, terrorists, prostitutes, rednecks, and bad-tempered men.

If Jesus were registered as a user here on these forums, do you think He'd have a problem with people like that posting around Him, or would He prefer to have his own little corner of the internet where He could be "safe"?

An online community with 200,000 registered users the majority of which are Christians, that is run by Christian administrators, and operates based upon Christian principles no longer has the word "Christian" in its name. Big deal. Do you really think things are going to change that drastically?

Non-Christians can now access the faith forums. Good! I hope they learn something. But I hope they don't come here and read this thread.

Your attitudes are horrible. Get out of your holy-huddles, love the newcomers, and strive to win souls for Christ.
"Reading through most of these posts makes me sick."

Now you know how we've felt these past few days.

"Don't you think something is wrong with a group of people who claim they follow Jesus yet throw a fit because "sinners" are allowed into their presence?"

We're not throwing a fit because sinners have been given forum-wide access, we're throwing a fit because Erwin is denying Christ all across the boards and basically saying that Christ is nothing more than a word that can be removed without harming the message or vision of this site which is still supposedly Christian, but you'd never know that from anything you see around these parts. I'll make a personal note that you agree with Erwin on this point.

"Jesus says in Luke that He came to seek and save what is lost. Over an over again in the gospels we read about Him hanging out with the unrighteous and the "sinners" over the major religious leaders and "good people" of His day. His closest friends were cowards, thieves, terrorists, prostitutes, rednecks, and bad-tempered men."

Which one of the gospels contains the account of Jesus hanging out with the rednecks?

"If Jesus were registered as a user here on these forums, do you think He'd have a problem with people like that posting around Him, or would He prefer to have his own little corner of the internet where He could be "safe"?"

Jesus often went off by Himself to pray and to be alone with the Father. Jesus was confronted by naysayers all the time and He let them have it, but His followers can't do the same thing. No, the second we let someone have it, spiritually speaking of course, ya know hit them with the law before the gospel, we're accused of being legalists and just wanting to argue and not being Christian.

"An online community with 200,000 registered users the majority of which are Christians, that is run by Christian administrators, and operates based upon Christian principles no longer has the word "Christian" in its name. Big deal."

Yeah, I've got a real good idea how much Christ means to you. You make me sick.

"Do you really think things are going to change that drastically?"

Yep, I've seen it before and now I'm gonna see it again. You have no idea what you're in for. You have no idea what's coming, there are ex-Christians who are really angry and you're gonna tell them what? Jesus loves you? Yeah that should go over really well. Wait til you hear the reasons they hate God and Jesus. What are you gonna do then? Give them some pat answer about it being God's will that their parents died when they were little kids or their wife or children getting cancer? You're gonna be hit with hard questions and I think all the people that are running around now with goosebumps about their ability to now be able to witness are gonna be in for a rude awakening. How much time did you spend in other areas of this forum before witnessing to the lost? I think you're trying to put the best face on this situation and look all big and strong and be a defender of your faith, because now you have no choice and no place to hide from the non-believers. It's fight or die at this point.

"Non-Christians can now access the faith forums. Good! I hope they learn something. But I hope they don't come here and read this thread."

I hope they do, because they'll know that there are people on this site who have been through this before and won't be sucked into their little lies and games of belittling God and Christ.

"Your attitudes are horrible. Get out of your holy-huddles, love the newcomers, and strive to win souls for Christ."

Yeah, this post from you has just been oozing love and acceptance. We don't need non-denoms coming into our forum and telling us how much we suck. We read enough of that crap in your section.

[Zecryphon]

Until you get over that erroneous perception, you are arguing from a point that does not exist.

Now I really am done. Argumentative viewpoints that have no basis are pointless.

"Now I really am done. Argumentative viewpoints that have no basis are pointless."

Three posts and you're "done"? You can't go toe-to-toe with your brothers and sisters in Christ in a discussion, but you think you've got what it takes to take on atheists, agnostics and other non-believers? They're gonna chew you up and spit you out and when you don't like what they tell you, you're gonna turn tail and run away. Do us all a favor and stay out of the fight. People like you who have no stamina, who are not in this for the long-haul, make us all look bad.

[DaRev]

... you are so off-base, you're not even in the same ballpark. It isn't about "going toe-to-toe" with anyone! It is about preaching the truth in love. You think you get anywhere with the in-your-face attitude you're espousing?

"Make you look bad"? Newsflash: It isn't about you its about Him! To the contrary, it is you who make Christ look bad!

For your edification, the Holy Spirit has used me to plant the seed of faith in over 30 people, of the variety you want to battle tooth and claw, who are now believers. Unlike you, I know that power doesn't come from me, but from Him. "Chew me up and spit me out?" You must think I have no backbone at all. But I don't get mad at them, as I suspect you do. I just tell them the truth, with love. And they hear me. They won't hear you for any longer than it takes to get ticked off because you think this is a barroom brawl instead of an opportunity to preach Christ and Him crucified.

You're 35? You come off as more like 15 ... maybe 5. Grow up! And I say that in love, brother. That ringing you hear in your ears right now? It was a "love tap" ... :D :thumbsup:


Ya know, practically every post you've made in this thread has been just as negative and immature as what you are accusing others of being. I would suggest that you practice what you preach.

[porterross]

I'd like to know why this spam thread by a non Lutheran was allowed in the first place.

[DaRev]

Welcome to the Free FORA.LL

^_^

[Zecryphon]

... you are so off-base, you're not even in the same ballpark. It isn't about "going toe-to-toe" with anyone! It is about preaching the truth in love. You think you get anywhere with the in-your-face attitude you're espousing?

"Make you look bad"? Newsflash: It isn't about you its about Him! To the contrary, it is you who make Christ look bad!

For your edification, the Holy Spirit has used me to plant the seed of faith in over 30 people, of the variety you want to battle tooth and claw, who are now believers. Unlike you, I know that power doesn't come from me, but from Him. "Chew me up and spit me out?" You must think I have no backbone at all. But I don't get mad at them, as I suspect you do. I just tell them the truth, with love. And they hear me. They won't hear you for any longer than it takes to get ticked off because you think this is a barroom brawl instead of an opportunity to preach Christ and Him crucified.

You remember this part of my original post? Well, bro, I was talking about you! I just didn't know it at the time. You've been the problem! Now be part of the solution! That ringing you hear in your ears right now? It was a "love tap" ... :D :thumbsup:

"... you are so off-base, you're not even in the same ballpark. "

Lemme guess, anyone who dares to disagree with you is off-base right? LOL

"It isn't about "going toe-to-toe" with anyone!"

Um, yes it is. If you learn this now, you might just stand a chance.

"It is about preaching the truth in love. You think you get anywhere with the in-your-face attitude you're espousing?"

Yep, because I've used it and it works. There is no repentance if you just give them love all the time. These people need to know that they have broken God's laws and are going to Hell. Then and only then will the gospel make sense because they will see their need for a savior.

"Make you look bad"? Newsflash: It isn't about you its about Him!"

Newsflash, when you engage a non-believer, that non-believer will judge all Christians by your actions. Take the advice that is being offered here and learn from my past experiences and the experiences of others here and drop the attitude that everyone but you is wrong.

"To the contrary, it is you who make Christ look bad!"

I'm a sinner, what did you expect? But in Him I am forgiven.

"For your edification, the Holy Spirit has used me to plant the seed of faith in over 30 people,"

Man, what an ego! You keep track! LOL

"of the variety you want to battle tooth and claw, who are now believers. Unlike you, I know that power doesn't come from me, but from Him."

I never said it came from me, it's not the gospel of Zecryphon I'm using when I witness.

""Chew me up and spit me out?" You must think I have no backbone at all."

Hey I saw you say you were so done after three posts. Doesn't look like backbone to me.

"But I don't get mad at them, as I suspect you do."

Nope, I hit 'em with the law and gospel. Your suspicions are just that, suspicions. They do not amount to fact and or true knowledge about me.

"I just tell them the truth, with love. And they hear me. They won't hear you for any longer than it takes to get ticked off because you think this is a barroom brawl instead of an opportunity to preach Christ and Him crucified."

You can approach them with all the love in the world, but what I'm telling you is that alot of the people that you are going to encounter are going to have that barroom brawl mentality. They really do have no interest in learning anything or repenting of their sins. They're coming here to mock and to make fun of you. They enjoy it for some reason.

"You're 35? You come off as more like 15 ... maybe 5."

I have not personally attacked you. But I see this is what you need to do when you encounter people who think differently than you do and have the unmitigated gall to disagree with you. It's childish behavior and pathetic as well. I show respect when I visit another church, in this case a forum, and interact with their members, sadly you don't. What's even worse is you think there is nothing wrong with what you've done here.

"Grow up!"

You've hurled insults and shown disrespect from your first post and you're telling me to grow up? That's rich! LOL

"And I say that in love, brother."

No, you don't.

"That ringing you hear in your ears right now? It was a "love tap" ... :D :thumbsup:"

The only thing I hear is the same liberal mantra of love, love, love and then insult, insult, insult when someone has the audacity to disagree with you. How typical. This is gonna be fun. I'm gonna be reading ALL your posts. Now, entertain me! LOL

[DaRev]

http://www.vogelforen.de/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[porterross]

Looming F.S.B.?

[LilLamb219]

There is a report concerning the OP...if anyone would care to give input...
http://foru.ms/t5956933

[Nec5]

There is a report concerning the OP...if anyone would care to give input...
http://foru.ms/t5956933What is OP? I've heard of OCP, the company from Robocop fame.

[dinkime]

What is OP? I've heard of OCP, the company from Robocop fame.

OP is original post

[LilLamb219]

Sorry, Nec5...I've been on the net for over 15 years...so I guess I just forget that not everyone speaks in acronyms.

[Nec5]

Sorry, Nec5...I've been on the net for over 15 years...so I guess I just forget that not everyone speaks in acronyms.My ignorance requires no apology. Death by acronyms. :help:

I've been on it for roughly over 10, and I've never seen OP. Then again, I don't frequent many boards. Now I'm derailing. Sorry.

[PreachersWife2004]

You know what I really can't stand in an "argument"? When someone says they're done, but they're really not done.

Sheesh. If you're done, be done already. Your spam has been closed in at least three other forums at last count.

Let me clue you in on something: NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK. If we did, people wouldn't be clamoring to report your spam.

[DaRev]

Sorry, Nec5...I've been on the net for over 15 years...so I guess I just forget that not everyone speaks in acronyms.

Heh... It's a Lutheran thing. LCMS, ELCA, WELS, AALC, LBW, LW, TLH, LSB, ESV...

[PreachersWife2004]

Don't worry. Back when I grew up OP stood for Ocean Pacific!

[DaRev]

Ha! When I was a kid "OP" was Andy Griffiths son!

[PreachersWife2004]

My ignorance requires no apology. Death by acronyms. :help:

I've been on it for roughly over 10, and I've never seen OP. Then again, I don't frequent many boards. Now I'm derailing. Sorry.

Ha! When I was a kid "OP" was Andy Griffiths son!

Dude.

You're old.

:D

[IisJustMe]

Yesterday I made a disparaging remark about your level of maturity, then thought better of it and edited it out. Unfortunately, another member had already posted it in a quote, and it remained for you and everyone else to see.

I should have issued an apology to you before now. I am sorry for having made that remark, and I ask your forgiveness. It was wrong, from the outset, and should never have been allowed to appear in public.

In His grace,
Mike

[DaSeminarian]

Ha! When I was a kid "OP" was Andy Griffiths son!

Yeah and now he directs blockbuster movies in Hollywood.

Back in the early 80s (83 I think) I was working as a food preparer and dishwasher for Steak and Ale in Denver, CO. I worked with a guy who wore a lot of Ocean Pacific clothes and thus earned the nickname OP. I never knew what his real name was. But I do remember him. nice guy really.

[Zecryphon]

Yeah and now he directs blockbuster movies in Hollywood.

Back in the early 80s (83 I think) I was working as a food preparer and dishwasher for Steak and Ale in Denver, CO. I worked with a guy who wore a lot of Ocean Pacific clothes and thus earned the nickname OP. I never knew what his real name was. But I do remember him. nice guy really.
You are forgiven.

[DaSeminarian]

You are forgiven.


I'm forgiven? Thank you. Did I apologize for anything? I think you meant to forgive Iisjustme, but I'll take it just the same. I likes to be forgiven.;)

[Jim47]

I don't know if all of you read through the reports on the OP, but he pretty much refused to offer an apology to the entire forum. I'm sure you all have the same feelings I have about this kind of poster so there is no need of me writing out what I think.

I will be cleaning up his posts as I get time,but this thread will be permantly closed as it has no real value to anyone here and he flammed the entire TCL forum.