The Board Change....

[Jenna]

Wow.

I don't know why, but it took me a moment to realize that this wasn't "Christian Forums" anymore. Not only that, but the "faith" forums have been moved down to the bottom of the site.

:sick:

[DaSeminarian]

Wow.

I don't know why, but it took me a moment to realize that this wasn't "Christian Forums" anymore. Not only that, but the "faith" forums have been moved down to the bottom of the site.

:sick:


It's Erwin's project. I guess he can do what he wants with it. I projected my leaving a couple of weeks ago and then I stayed. Now depending on how others view these changes I might be going again. You can find some of us at

http://conservative-christian-forums.com//YaBB.pl?board=Conf_Lutheran. You will have to register but we are in the Confessional Lutherans subforum there.

[synger]

It doesn't surprise me. It's just a name change that reflects the vision Erwin outlined on 777... that he wants a self-governing website based loosely on Christian community where people can fellowship and discuss based on rules they make.

But I predict we'll see another flood of people leaving because of it.

[dinkime]

i was not surprised -- but i thought all the polls & such that were held told erwin that this was not the change that was wanted??

and i don't like the format & such at CCF, so i am not sure i will make a full time change there

[Melethiel]

I don't care much for CCF, and it doesn't look like much else has changed here but the name of the slogan.

Which are both really, really dumb.

[DaRev]

But I see the word "Christian" has been removed. At least the name now fits the "vision". :doh:

[DaSeminarian]

i was not surprised -- but i thought all the polls & such that were held told erwin that this was not the change that was wanted??

and i don't like the format & such at CCF, so i am not sure i will make a full time change there

What would you have liked to see at CCF to make it better?

[DaRev]

Not only that, but the "faith" forums have been moved down to the bottom of the site.

I guess we now know what the priority is around here now. "Social Networking."

If I wanted that, I'd subscribe to that cess pool called "MySpace." :sick: :doh:

[Melethiel]

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37830929&postcount=7
http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37831168&postcount=12

:D

[porterross]

Welcome to the world's water-downed, PC version of Christianity.

[DaSeminarian]

I guess we now know what the priority is around here now. "Social Networking."

If I wanted that, I'd subscribe to that cess pool called "MySpace." :sick: :doh:


Cess pool is too good a word for MySpace.

[Zecryphon]

It's Erwin's project. I guess he can do what he wants with it. I projected my leaving a couple of weeks ago and then I stayed. Now depending on how others view these changes I might be going again. You can find some of us at

http://conservative-christian-forums.com//YaBB.pl?board=Conf_Lutheran. You will have to register but we are in the Confessional Lutherans subforum there.
I can't speak for the others, but here is a post I've made in the ND section that describes how I feel about the changes. Happy reading.

It seems that Erwin's anti-Christian vision for this site has finally come to pass. This site is no longer called Christian Forums, because the focus is not on Christ or His followers. Look around, you don't see Christian Forums as the name anymore, do you? Nope. You no longer have a CF character or a CF pet, you have a character and/or a pet. There is nothing that denotes that this site is for Christians or Christ anymore. This is an absolute travesty and a total slap in the face to all the Christians, who have helped make this site what it is.

I wonder if we will even be allowed to proclaim Christ openly, share the gospel with others or live out our faith in any way here. It's clear to me who Erwin is intent on pleasing. Look at where the congregational forums now are, way, way down at the bottom of the main page. That pretty much tells me all I need to know about the role Christ plays in his life and how highly Christ ranks. I can't wait to see what happens when the gospel is shared, wait to see the reports that are filed against Christians by people who are here for social networking. The charge? We will be accused of "shoving our bronze- age mythological beliefs down their throats". Erwin, I hope you're reading this and I hope that the Lord Jesus Christ has mercy on your soul for trashing Him in this way and relegating Him to be an afterthought on this site. Shame on you!

P.S. I will definitely be leaving now. To quote Luke Skywalker in epidode IV of the Star Wars saga after learning of the death of his family at the hands of the Empire:

Luke to Ben Kenobi: "I wanna come with you to Alderaan, there's nothing here for me now." There is nothing here for me now in this place. Christ has been removed from this site and the Christians who helped make this place what it was have been kicked to the curb and our congregations moved to the bottom of the heap.

[QuiltAngel]

Well, since this site no longer has Christian in it's name, it is going to become harder to find it on a google search.

The fact that anything theology has been moved to the bottom of the homepage is very telling. Makes me wonder how much longer theology portions are going to be a part of this site. First to the bottom, then off entirely?

[Zecryphon]

Cess pool is too good a word for MySpace.
C'mon be nice! I have a page there! LOL

[QuiltAngel]

I have a page on myspace also, but it is mainly because some Army moms I am in contact with post their photos there. I much prefere facebook, although it is not perfect either.

[Melethiel]

Well, since this site no longer has Christian in it's name, it is going to become harder to find it on a google search.

The fact that anything theology has been moved to the bottom of the homepage is very telling. Makes me wonder how much longer theology portions are going to be a part of this site. First to the bottom, then off entirely?
Well, to be somewhat fair about that, the "faith" section was only moved to the TOP about a year ago. This is the original layout.

I still want Theology back at the top.

[Protoevangel]

Here's a link to a petition to bring back the old CF.

Official Petition To Bring Back Christian Forums (http://foru.ms/t5937679)

[QuiltAngel]

Mel,
Now that you say that, you are right, it was further down. Was it at the bottom or near the bottom?

I don't know, with the name change and the moving them back to the bottom, still makes me wonder.

[KEPLER]

My thoughts:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37833647&postcount=28

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Erwin is ashamed of Christ and the gospel. The Scriptures and the Lutheran tradition are pretty clear. I haven't made a decision yet, but unless something changes radically in the next few days, it was really nice getting to know you all.

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

That post says it all.

[DaSeminarian]

While I don't think Erwin has turned his back on the Gospel, he is doing what many churches in American Evangelicalism have been doing for the past 20 years. He is taking the Christ name out so that people will be willing to come here and look. It is the same philosophy as Willow Creek in not having a Cross anywhere on their campus let alone the sanctuary.

This is the message I see in the new name change. "The Gospel evidently offends too many people and therefore it needs to take a backseat to fellowship."

[DaRev]

Mel,
Now that you say that, you are right, it was further down. Was it at the bottom or near the bottom?

I don't know, with the name change and the moving them back to the bottom, still makes me wonder.

You have to remember, though, that the denominational fora were additions to the original layout.

[DaSeminarian]

My thoughts:

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37833647&postcount=28

Isn't the line supposed to be

asked for a fish but was given a scorpion?

;)

[DaRev]

How do we go about getting our "Christian Forums" site support money refunded. I didn't pay to support this nonsense.

[PreachersWife2004]

How do we go about getting our "Christian Forums" site support money refunded. I didn't pay to support this nonsense.

Yeah, I noticed that the link is still to support Christian Forums. Must be a fluke.

Erwin really doesn't care what we think. There were polls and opinions posted, and in the end he decided to please the ... well, who did he please? It wasn't the majority, because I'm pretty sure WE were the majority...

Ugh. :sigh:

[KEPLER]

How do we go about getting our "Christian Forums" site support money refunded. I didn't pay to support this nonsense.
Great question! I'm also wondering if the name (CF) is now available?

Isn't the line supposed to be

asked for a fish but was given a scorpion?

;)
Scott...was there a joke there that I'm not getting? Sorry, I'm feeling a bit lunk-headed right now. Isn't ask for an egg, get a scorpion? Or was it, ask for a grand slam and get a BLT?

[DaSeminarian]

Great question! I'm also wondering if the name (CF) is now available?


Scott...was there a joke there that I'm not getting? Sorry, I'm feeling a bit lunk-headed right now. Isn't ask for an egg, get a scorpion? Or was it, ask for a grand slam and get a BLT?


The scorpion sting is brutal and almost always unexpected because they hide so much better than a snake. You are correct though Luke 11:12 "or if his son asks him for an egg will give a scorpion instead."

I just like the scorpion better than snakes for the illustration.

[KEPLER]

The scorpion sting is brutal and almost always unexpected because they hide so much better than a snake. You are correct though Luke 11:12 "or if his son asks him for an egg will give a scorpion instead."

I just like the scorpion better than snakes for the illustration.
Ah, OK. Like I said, I'm a little slow on the uptake today.

[DaSeminarian]

How do we go about getting our "Christian Forums" site support money refunded. I didn't pay to support this nonsense.


Fortunately I never gave money to this site therefore I don't expect any return on investment. Looks like you got taken to the cleaners on this one Rev. ;)

[Melethiel]

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37836008&postcount=533
:D

[porterross]

http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37836008&postcount=533
:D


:eek: :clap:

[LilLamb219]

Ok, I'm not sure what to think. Clearly, I'm disappointed and if Erwin DARES to say this is a vision from God...well, he just better not as this could NEVER be from God :(

I'm not sure what I'll be doing as far as moderating. I haven't made a decision yet if I'll stick around. I have been on too many secular boards and really wanted a CHRISTIAN board to be a part of. Since this is no longer a Christian board, I have to rethink how long I'll continue to be here. Seriously.

[QuiltAngel]

If I remember correctly, when the changes were made last month, people were callin for Erwin to remove Christian from the site name as they felt it no longer was an accurate name. Seems to me that Erwin listened.

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

I wouldn't moderate if there were forums on Myspace or facebok; I certainly won't moderate on an apostate forum.

Oops, did I accuse Erwin of takfir? Must be the Middle Eastern specialist in me.

[LilLamb219]

Wait, I know...it's really Mezzamorta in disguise ;) Erwin will come back and save us. He must!

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Hahahaha!

I was waiting for someone to connect the two controversies.

I mean, hey, if there are no objective standards that determine who is and isn't a Christian, well I guess then that MezzaMorta is just a much a Christian as the rest of us. Deceiful radical Iranians are just as much of our social networking community, too.

[porterross]

Wait, I know...it's really Mezzamorta in disguise ;) Erwin will come back and save us. He must!
What did I tell you about him? Was ICE ever notified?

[PreachersWife2004]

If I remember correctly, when the changes were made last month, people were callin for Erwin to remove Christian from the site name as they felt it no longer was an accurate name. Seems to me that Erwin listened.

But there was a poll posted as to how people wanted the direction of the site to go...most people, when I last looked, had been voting for a Christian direction.

I know that it was my hope that Erwin wouldn't change the name, but the focus of the site.

[Zecryphon]

Ok, I'm not sure what to think. Clearly, I'm disappointed and if Erwin DARES to say this is a vision from God...well, he just better not as this could NEVER be from God :(

I'm not sure what I'll be doing as far as moderating. I haven't made a decision yet if I'll stick around. I have been on too many secular boards and really wanted a CHRISTIAN board to be a part of. Since this is no longer a Christian board, I have to rethink how long I'll continue to be here. Seriously.
My initial assessment of Erwin was correct. He is in need of a Headinassendectomy in the worst way, ASAP. For those of you not familiar with this groundbreaking medical procedure, there's a reason, it's only theoretically possible to remove a person's head from their... well you can figure that out from the name.

[PreachersWife2004]

My initial assessment of Erwin was correct. He is in need of a Headinassendectomy in the worst way, ASAP. For those of you not familiar with this groundbreaking medical procedure, there's a reason, it's only theoretically possible to remove a person's head from their... well you can figure that out from the name.

I wonder how long this post will go before it's reported?? ;)

I totally agree, for what it's worth.

[DaRev]

I wonder how long this post will go before it's reported?? ;)

I totally agree, for what it's worth.

Yeah, but would any of the mods really act on it? ^_^ :P

[Confess]

Ok, I'm not sure what to think. Clearly, I'm disappointed and if Erwin DARES to say this is a vision from God...well, he just better not as this could NEVER be from God :(

I'm not sure what I'll be doing as far as moderating. I haven't made a decision yet if I'll stick around. I have been on too many secular boards and really wanted a CHRISTIAN board to be a part of. Since this is no longer a Christian board, I have to rethink how long I'll continue to be here. Seriously.
Yeah, God always comes to us pointing toward secularism rather then salvation. If I had 10,000 reps, I'd give it to you!

[Radiata]

It's been two days since I have been here. I feel that time must have been two years because of what has happened. I am disgusted at the changes and I am protesting at every chance I get. I came here because I was looking for a Christian forum. Notice the attention i give to the word Christian. Now that this has become yet another secular website, I count absolutely every hour I have ever spent on here as wasted. I feel like throwing a bible at Erwin's face.

[QuiltAngel]

I would not count every hour as wasted. I would like to think that there are some areas here that have been helpful to others in their Christian life and fellowship. Think of the people you have gotten to "know" online here.

I agree that many of us came here as the site had the appearance of being Christian. We were looking for Christian fellowship and we have ended up up with yet another place that is just like the world around us.

[LilLamb219]

I wonder how long this post will go before it's reported?? ;)

I totally agree, for what it's worth.

Looks around sheepishly...I repped him for it :o

[Jim47]

I know having Christian taken out of the forum name is a blow, a really lo blow, but I actually prefer the new site motto to the old one. I for one can stand the idea that anyone things some silly forum is going to actually unite all Christians.

Other then the name change I don't see any problems. I've already shared a couple PMs with our policy manager who works pretty cloely with Erwin and he agrees with me that Erwin has given back mpre control to Christians as to how much we have to put up with from trolls etc.

I believe we now have the ability to tighten up rules even more if we want to. I don't see where any of this has bennefited unbelievers other then they can boast about have Christ taken out of name, to me thats not a big deal. This place has never been the focal point of my Christian life and never will be.

[LilLamb219]

Jim, I usually don't disagree with you, but on this I think I'm going to have to.

This isn't just a name change. It's a change of what the board is and what it stands for. It used to be a Christian board and there was an attempt to uphold Christian values. It's no longer a Christian board...and Christian values will be easily voted out since it's now just a board like every other socializing site out there.

I'm very particular about which sites I sign up with and having my name (or member name) associated with something that could just very well get ugly in a couple weeks, months, whatever, really makes me uncomfortable. This place wasn't getting any better after 7-7-07 and I don't see any improvement in the forecast now either.

We now belong to a secular site...that has Christian groups at the bottom of the page as an afterthought. It's as if...oh, btw, here are some Christian groups you can visit while you're here, if you get bored. groan.

:(

[Radiata]

Exactly. Why does Erwin think this change will benefit Christians? If you only count the name change, think about what will be lost? I came here because of the name. Do you think I have been a worthwhile contributer? I like to think I have and I also know that I have learned a great deal in the short time That I have been here. Without the name, Christians like myself wont come here. Without the name, people interested (Seekers) won't come here and we can't help them. Now they are shoving all Christianity aside and promoting this as a secular site. Erwin's a smart man. He runs a hospital and is an elder in his church. You would think that all the thousands of protests that he has gotten should have pursuaded him to see the truth, but he has not. I am very angry with him and his corrupt and Godless "vision." I'm going to change my mood smily now.

[Jim47]

Jim, I usually don't disagree with you, but on this I think I'm going to have to.

This isn't just a name change. It's a change of what the board is and what it stands for. It used to be a Christian board and there was an attempt to uphold Christian values. It's no longer a Christian board...and Christian values will be easily voted out since it's now just a board like every other socializing site out there.

I'm very particular about which sites I sign up with and having my name (or member name) associated with something that could just very well get ugly in a couple weeks, months, whatever, really makes me uncomfortable. This place wasn't getting any better after 7-7-07 and I don't see any improvement in the forecast now either.

We now belong to a secular site...that has Christian groups at the bottom of the page as an afterthought. It's as if...oh, btw, here are some Christian groups you can visit while you're here, if you get bored. groan.

:(



Yes, thats quite true, but Christ has been getting kicked aroond for 2000 years. In the end He will have His revenge for those who have abused His name.

What I am looking at is the possibility that we will be able to more openly witness without suffering harassment, and I think this will certainly happen, of course I may be wrong too.

I already have another forum I have belonged too for quite a while. Its a mix of all faiths and no Lutherans other then 1 friend from here that we all know. If things become so bad here I'll come back and give you all a link, but I'm not ready to give up the ship yet.

[KEPLER]

Looks around sheepishly...I repped him for it :o
And I repped you for repping him!

[KEPLER]

I know having Christian taken out of the forum name is a blow, a really lo blow, but I actually prefer the new site motto to the old one. I for one can stand the idea that anyone things some silly forum is going to actually unite all Christians.

Other then the name change I don't see any problems. I've already shared a couple PMs with our policy manager who works pretty cloely with Erwin and he agrees with me that Erwin has given back mpre control to Christians as to how much we have to put up with from trolls etc.

I believe we now have the ability to tighten up rules even more if we want to. I don't see where any of this has bennefited unbelievers other then they can boast about have Christ taken out of name, to me thats not a big deal. This place has never been the focal point of my Christian life and never will be.
I will remind you, Jim, that "looking on the bright side" is a trait which is frowned upon in Lutheran circles. At least, I've extrapolated that from Garrison Keillor. ;)

K

[Radiata]

So what can we do to fight against Erwin outside of posting in petitions?

[DaRev]

So what can we do to fight against Erwin outside of posting in petitions?

We can stop giving him money!

I truly feel that the site supporters should have had some voice in what was going on.

[Radiata]

We can stop giving him money!

I truly feel that the site supporters should have had some voice in what was going on.
Everyone should have some voice in what is going on. I have spent many hours on here and I feel that I, along with many others like me, have at least some voice.

[Aibrean]

people trying to sugar-coat :P make people more "comfortable"

the website addy was CHRISTIANFORUMS.COM for pete's sake...what did they expect when they got here?

[DaRev]

the website addy was CHRISTIANFORUMS.COM for pete's sake...what did they expect when they got here?

But it is no more. Now it's http://foru.ms

No mention of "Christian" at all anymore.

[porterross]

But it is no more. Now it's http://foru.ms

No mention of "Christian" at all anymore.
Except that Erwin will accept support in Christ's name.

[DaRev]

Except that Erwin will accept support in Christ's name.

Oh, I'm sure he will. :doh:

[LilLamb219]

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[LilLamb219]

Erwin forgot a CF to remove.

[Radiata]

Erwin forgot a CF to remove.
Yea, Erwins background in his "MyCF" homepage.

[dinkime]

yay! faith is back at the top!!

[LilLamb219]

Yeah, he did that this morning.

[Radiata]

Is that really going to help Christians come here?