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SeekingTheLight
17th August 2007, 10:05 AM
Good morning everyone! Thanks for the warm welcome! Now for my story - and I hope it doesn't bore you to death...ha1

Well, if you've read my profile you'll know that I'm the wife of a minister. My husband and I both grew up in the Church of Christ, and I've always taken my spiritual life very seriously. I remember praying as a young child that I would grow up and marry a minister or a missionary - someone who loved God just as much as I did - and I ended up getting both. (Funny how God answers prayers sometimes). Right after we were married, we attended a seminary together, and he started working as a minister soon afterwards.

About 2 years working with a small church in Texas, my husband got the "itch" to do mission work. Our best friends - who we went to Seminary with - also wanted to do mission work, so together we formed a team. For the next 2 years, we planned and prayed, and after MUCH waiting, we somehow ended up in Estonia. Trust me, it wasn't our first choice, but it's apparent now that God wanted us there.

At the time we got there, there was only one other family working as missionaries in the country, so we were on our own -pioneers of sorts. And it was hard, very hard. We talked to hundreds of people, only to be told that "They didn't need God" or whatever. We struggled, we cried, and we prayed. We didn't know why God would send us somewhere only to have just about everyone basically tell us "no."

After we'd been there for a couple of years, our husbands got the idea that they needed to go visit all the local churches, and see if perhaps they could figure out some "new" way to reach out to people that they hadn't thought of already. So, every Sunday morning (our services were in the afternoon) our husband's visited a different church. Only they went - we stayed home with all the kids, who were small at the time.

Now, in Estonia 80% of the people don't attend ANY church, but for those that do, Methodist and Orthodox are the main ones. After a few months, my best friend and I noticed a trend - they kept going back to the Orthodox church to "visit" and telling us about it. When it became apparent that they were "straying" in that direction, I must tell you that I was appalled. I cried myself to sleep on many nights, because I thought my husband had "crossed over" to some crazy new religion.

This went on for over a year, and throughout that time I just got angrier and angrier. I prayed to God for my husband back, but he didn't give me what i wanted. So then I became angry with Him too. I just didn't understand how he could have me marry such a faithful man, only to have him "turn away" to this "ungodly" religion, with it's ugly paintings, Mary worship, and men (priests) who thought they were God himself. I have to tell you that I've never been so upset in all my life - I really thought I was losing my husband, and I pictured myself taking our 3 kids to church alone.

We stayed in Estonia for only 3 1/2 years, but it seemed like a lifetime. Between missing our families, some problems with our kids, and this church stuff, we decided to come home.

After returning home, my husband didn't feel it was right for him to continue to be a minister, so he worked as an appliance repairman, and didn't go to church. Naturally I was upset, but I just thought he needed time. After about a year of that he finally started going back to church with me, and eventually decided to be a minister again, and that's when we ended up where we are now. Our home is Texas, but we are currently working for a small church in Virginia.

Now, I knew that he was still thinking about the Orthodox church. He'd order books off Amazon etc. At first I just ignored it, but knowing that it wasn't just going to go away I decided that I needed some "fuel" to come back at him with - and that's when God decided it was time to open my eyes. I started secretly perusing the internet late at night when my husband was asleep, looking for counter attacks that would bring him to his senses.

Ha!

Well, I basically ended up converting myself. Yeah, who would've thought? Now, it didn't happen overnight, and it didn't happen easily, but I just couldn't ignore the facts. Orthodox was and is THE church. Now, I was really upset. And scared. What was I going to do? I felt like I'd just wasted my entire life in a "dead" church. So, that's when I confided in my husband. He was ecstatic of course, but I was still angry and scared. I still didn't understand what all this stuff was about - Icons, Mary etc. - even the Eucharist seemed so foreign and weird.

Well, over the last year I've read many books, "lurked" here at TAW, and learned a LOT! I still haven't been to a service, but we're not in any position to. My husband is still working as a minister here, but he's also working part-time as a college professor. We hope by next summer we can transition him out of his ministerial position here, to full-time college professor back home in Texas, and then we can finally find an Orthodox church to attend, and begin our conversion. Our best friends (the ones who were in Estonia with us) are also working toward moving back home to Texas, and hopefully we can all do it together.

Ok, so that's my story in a nutshell. I hope I didn't bore you to tears.

You all are a constant encouragement to me, and I hope I don't drive you too crazy with all my questions. I'm sure I'll have many, although I will try to search the archives before asking something that's already been answered a hundred times. Please be patient with me - I almost feel like an earthling trying to adjust to life on Neptune or something.

VickiY
17th August 2007, 10:10 AM
Welcome, and please feel free to ask any questions that cross your mind!

Silentchapel
17th August 2007, 10:16 AM
I started secretly perusing the internet late at night when my husband was asleep, looking for counter attacks that would bring him to his senses.

Ha!

Well, I basically ended up converting myself.
This is probably one of the funniest things I've ever read on CF. God has a weird sense of humor, don't you think?
Welcome to TAW! And bore us with the questions all you like - after all, that is what we're here for!
:groupray:

Orthosdoxa
17th August 2007, 10:29 AM
I remember the feeling of being on another planet!! I was a hardcore Baptist for over 20 years, and as a dear, now departed, friend shared with me more and more about Orthodoxy, I began to feel like I was going crazy sometimes. I could no longer deny history - this was clearly the Church spoken of in the New Testament, clearly the Church of the first century. But how could so much of what I'd been told my whole life be so wrong? (And yet... in the back of my head somewhere... I always knew something was wrong... I was never happy, constantly questioning...) Even still, converting to Orthodoxy was the most difficult thing I'd ever done in my life. (Though, I hasten to add, the smartest and best thing, too.) Another friend who was converting at the same time with me said the conversion process was even more painful than giving birth. (My twins were born by c-section, so I wouldn't know ;))

You have not wasted your 'entire life in a "dead" church'. They taught you to love God and to trust Scripture. Those are the starting points... now He is showing you something more... that Christianity is much more than an ideology that can be confined to a text.


As far as attending services, how about weekday services? Most parishes have Liturgies during the week for Great Feasts... some have Orthros almost every morning, like ours. I understand the conundrum you're in with your husband's job, but I encourage to experience the Life of the Church in her services, and not just head knowledge from books, as soon as is expedient for you.

OASN, there are many, many stories of preachers who have converted to Orthodoxy... and taken a good chunk of their flock with them!

I hope we can be helpful to you. Heaven knows none of us are perfect here, but most of us are converts and can relate to the difficulty in completely changing one's mindset.

Lukaris
17th August 2007, 10:38 AM
Praise God on your journey towards Orthodoxy but you should not consider your former church "dead" or your time "wasted." If you turned one Estonian away from atheism and to Christ have you not returned a lost sheep? I have only been Orthodox for 2 years and was converted upon my first Liturgy but this may not work for everyone. I would advise (but not implore) that you speak to an Orthodox priest, deacon, or informed parishoner before your first liturgy. For example, some Orthodox churches do not have pews, so what to do then? Anyway God bless you on your journey.

Shubunkin
17th August 2007, 10:48 AM
Welcome to TAW!! :)

That is a most awesome story. I appreciate the time you took to type this all out for us. My story is a bit different, and the first time I stepped into a DL service, I just knew I was home.

I had been looking for this my entire Christian life, and just didn't know where to find it, until then.

Hope to see more of your posts in the future. :crosseo:

rusmeister
17th August 2007, 10:54 AM
A wonderful story!

Ditto with Orthos and Lukaris on 'wasted time'.

One thing I've learned in Orthodoxy is that in a modern world saturated with the general idea of Christianity, finding the original Church is something that God leads people to more than our leading them - we're really just instruments when it comes to leading others.

MariaRegina
17th August 2007, 11:38 AM
That was a great read and it makes perfect sense to go to another country and discover Christ's Holy Church.

Abraham was called out from his own country and became a great nation.

It looks like God has some great plans for you too. Keep writing. Maybe after three years in the Holy Orthodox Church you can write a book and share it with other.

May God grant you many years.

Oblio
17th August 2007, 11:55 AM
Welcome to Orthodoxy and TAW :)

Great story :clap:

Maybe we need more missionaries sent to Orthodoxy lands ...

Rdr. Chris

(n.b. Stories like yours are not uncommon)

SeekingTheLight
17th August 2007, 11:59 AM
Aria, I see that you've discovered that I'm a writer. Yep, it's actually a deep passion of mine. I've actually already had some ideas for books having to do with Orthodoxy. For instance, I've been trying to find a book for children about the Saints - to try and get mine ready, so to speak. Well, there are many books on Saints, but not all together. I was hoping for like a big book, full of different Saint stories. So, I've made a mental note to myself, and maybe if God decides it's right, I can write it.

To everyone else, you're right - my life in the Church of Christ gave me my spiritual foundation, and now God is using that as a stepping stone for the next phase of my spiritual journey. I just kind of wished that I'd discovered Orthodoxy a bit sooner in life, you know?

My husband and I would love to go to a midweek service of some kind, but the nearest church to us is almost 2 hours away, and by the time he gets home from work, it's too late to attend anything. We did go and meet the priest there, however, a few months ago and we had a really nice long chat with him and his wife. What I found interesting is that he basically told us to be patient, and let God work it out. Another words God would figure out the right "timing" to everything and we just needed to trust in him.

For me, that's easier said than done. I'll probably be the worst catechumen, (is that how you spell that) because now that I believe, I want to get on with it, you know? Ha! I feel like as long as I'm "outside" the church, that I'm missing so much!

I have watched a Divine Liturgy online, so at least I sort of know what to expect. Although the standing is going to be hard on me. I have flat feet, and standing really makes my back hurt. Ha! Oh well, what's a little pain right?

Anhelyna
17th August 2007, 12:01 PM
Welcome to TAW :)

What a story you have told us - ask any questions you want - the folk here will answer I'm sure.

Dorothea
17th August 2007, 12:06 PM
Fantastic story and life experiences! Thanks for taking the time to write this out and share it with us. I always find these stories such inspirations and wonderful. :) My husband grew up in the UCC, and then was all over the place in different churches before he met me, and the first time I took him to church with me (on our third date), he'd only been in the church (which was just a small mission at the time in a rented building for crying out loud) around 10 minutes and he felt at home, just like cygne said. :)

Jacob4707
17th August 2007, 12:15 PM
Well, over the last year I've read many books, "lurked" here at TAW, and learned a LOT! I still haven't been to a service, but we're not in any position to. My husband is still working as a minister here, but he's also working part-time as a college professor. We hope by next summer we can transition him out of his ministerial position here, to full-time college professor back home in Texas, and then we can finally find an Orthodox church to attend, and begin our conversion. Our best friends (the ones who were in Estonia with us) are also working toward moving back home to Texas, and hopefully we can all do it together.

Ok, so that's my story in a nutshell. I hope I didn't bore you to tears.

You all are a constant encouragement to me, and I hope I don't drive you too crazy with all my questions. I'm sure I'll have many, although I will try to search the archives before asking something that's already been answered a hundred times. Please be patient with me - I almost feel like an earthling trying to adjust to life on Neptune or something.

Where in Texas will you possibly be returning to? We live in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex area.

My wife and I both have back problems, and I often sit at times during the services in the chairs we have against the walls, but I hope never to go back to pews in a church. I love the standing and open room for walking, bowing, prostrating, moving around when the priest censes all the icons all around the room, etc.

ma2000
17th August 2007, 12:20 PM
Wonderful story, SeekingTheLight! :hug:
Orthosdoxa is right. You can go to a weekday service.
I hope you will stick around.
God bless!

Theophorus
17th August 2007, 12:20 PM
Welcome to TAW. There are a few former CoC members here.
Your time was not wasted. You were being prepared.

ClementofRome
17th August 2007, 12:55 PM
WOW, what a story... I pray that my wife will be moved and led by God as you were. I am in this journey alone at the present.

Many years dear sister!

SeraphimSarov
17th August 2007, 02:35 PM
OASN, there are many, many stories of preachers who have converted to Orthodoxy... and taken a good chunk of their flock with them!

My priest did that exact thing. He went from being a Baptist minister at one of the largest churches in Wheaton, IL (widely regarded as the evangelical capital of the US, if not the world) to becoming an Antiochian Orthodox priest.

The parish itself started as one of the ones that converted from the EOC (evangelical orthodox). It happens a lot. :)

Jacob4707
17th August 2007, 02:38 PM
My priest did that exact thing. He went from being a Baptist minister at one of the largest churches in Wheaton, IL (widely regarded as the evangelical capital of the US, if not the world) to becoming an Antiochian Orthodox priest.

The parish itself started as one of the ones that converted from the EOC (evangelical orthodox). It happens a lot. :)

This guy, perhaps?

The Story Of Fr. Wilbur David Ellsworth
http://ancientfaithradio.com/specials/interviews

SeraphimSarov
17th August 2007, 02:49 PM
This guy, perhaps?

The Story Of Fr. Wilbur David Ellsworth
http://ancientfaithradio.com/specials/interviews
That's him! :)

Orthosdoxa
17th August 2007, 03:08 PM
the nearest church to us is almost 2 hours away

I'm sure you've already researched this, but do keep checking http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/ and even antiochian.org and oca.org. Little mission parishes are going up all the time, and that's the first place you'll see them.

SeekingTheLight
17th August 2007, 03:10 PM
Where in Texas will you possibly be returning to? We live in the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex area.

My wife and I both have back problems, and I often sit at times during the services in the chairs we have against the walls, but I hope never to go back to pews in a church. I love the standing and open room for walking, bowing, prostrating, moving around when the priest censes all the icons all around the room, etc.

My home is the San Antonio area. If it hasn't been washed away this week...ha!:D

Orthosdoxa
17th August 2007, 03:14 PM
I entered San Antonio at OIA and came up with these. All of these are at least two hours away? That's too bad. :(

St. Sophia Church
Parishes
GOC 2504 N St. Mary's St
San Antonio, TX 78212 2 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 210.735.5051
stsophia@swbell.net
www.stsophia-satx.org (http://www.stsophia-satx.org/)

St. Ephraim Orthodox Church
Parishes
ANT 3101 Vance Jackson Rd.
San Antonio, TX 78213 3 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 210.558.4554
saintephraim.com/ (http://saintephraim.com/)

Saint Anthony the Great Orthodox Church
Parishes
OCA 103 Carolina St
San Antonio, TX 78210 6 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 210-533-2492
orthodoxsanantonio@yahoo.com
www.orthodoxsanantonio.com/ (http://www.orthodoxsanantonio.com/)

Annunciation Chapel
Parishes
RMA 2795 FM 306
New Braunfels, TX 78132 29 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 830-626-7530
fr_iulian@yahoo.com

Holy Archangels Monastery
Monasteries
GOC P. O. Box 422
Kendalia, TX 78027 32 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 830.833.2793
holyarchangels.org (http://holyarchangels.org/)

St. Sophia Antiochian Church
Parishes
ANT 225 Rose Dr.
Dripping Springs, TX 78620 59 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 512.431.2756
annekenna@yahoo.com
www.stsophiadstx.com/ (http://www.stsophiadstx.com/)

Transfiguration Church
Parishes
GOC 414 St. Stephen's School Road
Austin, TX 78746 71 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 512.329.6363
tgoc@flash.net
www.transfiguration.org (http://www.transfiguration.org/)

St. Elias Church
Parishes
ANT 408 E 11th St
Austin, TX 78701 73 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 512.476.2314
saintelias@juno.com
www.sainteliaschurch.org/ (http://www.sainteliaschurch.org/)

St. Mary Romanian Orthodox Mission
Parishes
RMA P.O.Box 66181
Austin, TX 78766 77 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 512-828-0366
saintmaryaustin.org/ (http://saintmaryaustin.org/)

St. John the Forerunner Orthodox Church
Parishes
ANT 800 W. Park St.
Cedar Park, TX 78613 82 miles
Detail Map (http://orthodoxyinamerica.org/sr2_0_0/locator.php#) 512-258-1711
Father_Stephen@theForerunner.org
www.theforerunner.org/ (http://www.theforerunner.org/)

SeekingTheLight
17th August 2007, 03:20 PM
Thanks for looking Orthosdoxa. There are actually about three that are closer. (We looked when we were home on vacation this summer). There is a large one downtown, and then there's also one relatively close in Austin - which is an hour away. (Maybe it's one of the ones on your list). I also know that there is a relatively new "mission" church that was just started there, but I don't know much about it, other than that. Hopefully one of those would be a good choice.

Jacob4707
17th August 2007, 03:38 PM
It's http://orthodoxsanantonio.org/ not *.com

Mary of Bethany
17th August 2007, 04:29 PM
Hi, and welcome to TAW!

That's an amazing story, and not at all uncommon! I'm a former Baptist who was finally led to Orthodoxy at age 47. It's never too late. ;)

I worship in a pewless parish, and sing in the choir, and I also have flat feet. It can really get hard to stand for so long, even after you get used to it, but hopefully there will always be some chairs available when you need to sit. I hope you can get to Vespers or Divine Liturgy before long, and under the direction of a Priest.

:crosseo:


Mary

nikostheater
17th August 2007, 04:59 PM
Awesome story!
Don't be shy,ask whatever you want,here in TAW we love questions.
Welcome to our family here and God Bless!