Next question: Can one be both fundamentalist and liberal?

[LovebirdsFlying]

Or do the two contradict each other?

[MercyBurst]

There are several fundies that vote the democratic ticket.

[Project 86]

Or do the two contradict each other?

Depends what you mean by liberal. If you mean one that votes democrat I guess it may be possible but certainly not the norm. The reason it is not the norma is because fundamentalists are against homosexual marriage, legalized slaughtering of babies and other things that are often supported by democrats. If you mean just liberal theology then no. A fundamentalist will not believe in many ways of salvation, evolution or that the Bible contains errors.

[cubanito]

Depends what you mean by liberal. If you mean one that votes democrat I guess it may be possible but certainly not the norm. The reason it is not the norma is because fundamentalists are against homosexual marriage, legalized slaughtering of babies and other things that are often supported by democrats. If you mean just liberal theology then no. A fundamentalist will not believe in many ways of salvation, evolution or that the Bible contains errors.
Agreed, and to add: at no time do we claim that not being a Fundy imperils our salvation.

My favorite modern writer is CS Lewis, who was as true a Christian as I can think of. Yet he was NOT a Fundy.

JR

[Vambram]

I agree with Project 86 and with cubanito. :)

[DerSchweik]

I agree that both definitions, "Liberal" and "Fundamental" are subject to interpretation. Generally however, I think most people understand them to polar opposites on most issues.

Perhaps if there was a specific situation in mind that had both a liberal and fundamental solution?

Anyway, in Him, and God Bless...

[Maranatha27]

Depends what you mean by liberal. If you mean one that votes democrat I guess it may be possible but certainly not the norm. The reason it is not the norma is because fundamentalists are against homosexual marriage, legalized slaughtering of babies and other things that are often supported by democrats. If you mean just liberal theology then no. A fundamentalist will not believe in many ways of salvation, evolution or that the Bible contains errors.
Very good, it seems that someones on the ball. lol

[misfitforfaith]

Depends what you mean by liberal. If you mean one that votes democrat I guess it may be possible but certainly not the norm. The reason it is not the norma is because fundamentalists are against homosexual marriage, legalized slaughtering of babies and other things that are often supported by democrats

:confused: Ah huh, heres a question for you guys you say you are against all these liberal things like abortion and Porn, homosexual eg.
However I would suspect most of you are economic liberals so you have created a paradox for yourselfs as everything under the self regulating market is legal in theory. In fact now some market liberals want to go even further like the right leaning libertarians and make most social taboos legal eg. incest legal what next pedophila for example :eek: as one of your Libertarian parties down under is trying to do and guess what they get all their ideas from the good ol USA.:scratch: :confused:

[Albion]

:confused: Ah huh, heres a question for you guys you say you are against all these liberal things like abortion and Porn, homosexual eg.
However I would suspect most of you are economic liberals so you have created a paradox for yourselfs as everything under the self regulating market is legal in theory.

But as Fundamentalist Christians we have to consider the Bible when ordering our lives. Those items you just listed all are wrong...according to scripture. The Free Market is not; in fact human rights issues such as this represents are quite in accord with scripture.

now some market liberals want to go even further like the right leaning libertarians and make most social taboos legal eg. incest legal what next pedophila for example :eek: as one of your Libertarian parties down under is trying to do and guess what they get all their ideas from the good ol USA.:scratch: :confused:

There's no controlling who may use the word Liberal or Libertarian.

Of course, you will find many Christians to be in favor of the Free Market, but doing so doesn't obligate them in any way to be political extremists such as those you described here.

[misfitforfaith]

Those items you just listed all are wrong...according to scripture. The Free Market is not; in fact human rights issues such as this represents are quite in accord with scripture.

:confused: Who said the Free market is Biblical I could find many passages in the NT especially that would look far more socialist than capitalist even jesus life and disciples lives were like a very small collective fellowship.
Truth is if you look into hidden history which i do constantly because I am no fool you see most ideology is actually Masonically inspired on the basis of Human centred philosophies which is all ideology and yes i have studied it officially and come to that conclusion.

There is no way pro zionist christians that believe in anything as ridiculous as pre trib rapture like your President who is trying cause world war 3 because of crazy ideas like that. There is no way you are going to fool yours truly.

Any way the point is there is still a major paradox there, nothings changed you cant stand against all these morally taboo offences unless you have the strong arm of law enforcement via government enforcing laws against these fornications which free market liberals of whatever stripe directly or indirectly encourage which remains a contradiction interms so no, you havent really answered my questions i have yet to find any post modern Christian fundermentalists that can this is because many of you are wolves in sheeps clothing like your Idols Hagee, Falwell or P Robinson.:scratch: :cool:

[Vambram]

:confused: Who said the Free market is Biblical I could find many passages in the NT especially that would look far more socialist than capitalist even jesus life and disciples lives were like a very small collective fellowship.
Truth is if you look into hidden history which i do constantly because I am no fool you see most ideology is actually Masonically inspired on the basis of Human centred philosophies which is all ideology and yes i have studied it officially and come to that conclusion.

There is no way pro zionist christians that believe in anything as ridiculous as pre trib rapture like your President who is trying cause world war 3 because of crazy ideas like that. There is no way you are going to fool yours truly.

Any way the point is there is still a major paradox there, nothings changed you cant stand against all these morally taboo offenses unless you have the strong arm of law enforcement via government enforcing laws against these fornications which free market liberals of whatever stripe directly or indirectly encourage which remains a contradiction in terms so no, you haven't really answered my questions i have yet to find any post modern Christian fundementalists that can this is because many of you are wolves in sheep's clothing like your Idols Hagee, Falwell or P Robinson.:scratch: :cool:

This is one of the more offensive and insulting posts against fundamentalists by a non-fundamentalist which I've seen on these forums within the last couple of months. There is so much misinformation, misunderstanding and flat out insults here, that I simply don't have the time or the desire, right now at least, ... to properly respond to all of the distortions in that post. :(

[Albion]

:confused: Who said the Free market is Biblical I could find many passages in the NT especially that would look far more socialist than capitalist

I said it...and it is so. Freedom is the natural state of mankind. As for Socialism allegedly being Biblical, that is just nonsense and has no Biblical support.

jesus life and disciples lives were like a very small collective fellowship.

FYI, that is not Socialism. Socialism is a governmental system. A voluntary sharing society such as monks enter into (or what you theorize about Jesus' life) is, by definition, not Socialism.

Truth is if you look into hidden history which i do constantly because I am no fool you see most ideology is actually Masonically inspired on the basis of Human centred philosophies which is all ideology and yes i have studied it officially and come to that conclusion.

There is no way pro zionist christians...

OK, I see where this is going.

You have a nice day, now. I'll check to see if there are any people asking serious questions in order to get to know Fundamentalism or Christianity itself better.

[misfitforfaith]

:cool: Thanks for you time folks or should i say lack of it, plus meager answers I was expecting as much.
Have nice invasion of Iran and ww3 in the name of Jesus Christ should say Satan God bless your lost souls your going to need to it since you have been hugely duped!.

btw don't bother calling the thought police it will only prove my point!.However i guess if the likes of Alex Jones can get away withit right there in the heart of texas i should be able to have my 2cents aus, worth in this corny forum.:wave:

[Vambram]

:cool: Thanks for you time folks or should i say lack of it, plus meager answers I was expecting as much.
Have nice invasion of Iran and ww3 in the name of Jesus Christ should say Satan God bless your lost souls your going to need to it since you have been hugely duped!.

LOL, whatever dude. :|

btw don't bother calling the thought police it will only prove my point!.However i guess if the likes of Alex Jones can get away withit right there in the heart of texas i should be able to have my 2cents aus, worth in this corny forum.:wave:
Is it possible for you to post in the fundamentalist forums without the high school level of idiotic insults that you hurled forth as they spewed out of yourself against fundamentalists?
There are no fundamentalists on this forum whom are advocating that America and our allies should start WW3. Also, there are none of us that I know about whom are advocating invading Iran militarily in the name of Jesus Christ.
You, sir, really need to lay off the cool-aid that is being spoon fed by the secular progressives, and stop believe everything that the extreme left wing liberals are saying about fundamentaist christians.
I love a good debate as much as anyone else, but if you cannot ask questions and debate those answers without using lame, and dumb insults against those whom you disagree with, then therefore you yourself are diluting and severely weakening whatever possible strengths that may be inherent in the political views you yourself believe.

[misfitforfaith]

Is it possible for you to post in the fundamentalist forums without the high school level of idiotic insults that you hurled forth as they spewed out of yourself against fundamentalists?.There are no fundamentalists on this forum whom are advocating that America and our allies should start WW3. Also, there are none of us that I know about whom are advocating invading Iran militarily in the name of Jesus Christ.


Are ad hominem attacks the the best you can come up with pal.
School boy huh really you and few other yanks here would be surprised at what i know religiously and metaphysically speaking you have no idea who your dealing so dont call me delinquent names like DUDE!.
O the CIA have been unsuccessful thus far in fooling me with sex drugs and titytainment unlike many of my lacklustre contemporaries even though they also claim to be Sabbatean style fundie christians.:D :cool:

[Vambram]

Are ad hominem attacks the the best you can come up with pal.
School boy huh really you and few other yanks here would be surprised at what i know religiously and metaphysically speaking you have no idea who your dealing so dont call me delinquent names like DUDE!.
O the CIA have been unsuccessful thus far in fooling me with sex drugs and titytainment unlike many of my lacklustre contemporaries even though they also claim to be Sabbatean style fundie christians.

When you return back to reality, and get out of the fantasy world that you apparently believe is true, then I shall be able to have an intelligent discussion with you. Please let me know when you leave that fantasy world, and return back to the reality of the real world.

[misfitforfaith]

When you return back to reality, and get out of the fantasy world that you apparently believe is true, then I shall be able to have an intelligent discussion with you. Please let me know when you leave that fantasy world, and return back to the reality of the real world.



:cool: Well thanks for your subtle attitude of concern for my mental well being.
Let me put it to you this way, as David Icke states one of the figures I draw inspiration from we already live in an Illusion or Matrix kind of similar to the Hollywood block buster version although i think youll find Icke was using the term well before that Spielburg, Fishburn, Reeves episode of pop culture and going back in history the Gnostics were the ones to formulate the concept that all matter was an Illusion originally.

Considering how screwed up so called reality i have no reason to doubt him. I very much enjoy my state of mind thanks I am not coming down for anyone. Let the fools be fools i have bigger issues to fry and pursue. :cool:

[Albion]

There seems to be a lot of Anti-Americanism on the part of Australians posting on CF. It has come up from various people and in the most off-topic and unexpected ways. Mainly, they're gratuitous digs thrown in whenever there is any disagreement on any religious or social subject having nothing to do with nationality or even the political situation in either country.

I wonder why this is the case. From all that I know, we Americans certainly don't think ill of Australians.

[misfitforfaith]

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[misfitforfaith]

There seems to be a lot of Anti-Americanism on the part of Australians posting on CF. It has come up from various people and in the most off-topic and unexpected ways. Mainly, they're gratuitous digs thrown in whenever there is any disagreement on any religious or social subject having nothing to do with nationality or even the political situation in either country.

I wonder why this is the case. From all that I know, we Americans certainly don't think ill of Australians.

:scratch: I don't know what your talking about !What is anti American and point out to me where i have stated it.
Although I can be accused of anti Zionism which I am not ashamed of its a bit of stretch to accuse me of anti Americanism especially since many of the figures, plus print and online sources I draw my info from are based in or from the US. No the US isn't all bad just the stupid Neo Con pro sabbatean regime you lot support no doubt. Plus I have strong admiration for jews that accept Jesus Christ as I am quarter Jewish blood myself the truth be known. Perhaps you should give your support to this group http://www.jewsforjesus.org.au/about/ however of cause I know you wont because you would rather give your support to Neo Con supporting Lucifer sabbateans in reality worship dirty evil stuff like the Babylonian Talmud and Kabbalah. By the way i know exactly what your agenda is i get some of my info from online sources like these which funnily enough are very much US sources if not Nth American sources

http://www.infowars.com/
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/
http://www.savethemales.ca/
www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/index.html#anchor (http://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/index.html#anchor)

As you can see most if not all of these sites are based in the US as many good old style Paleo Libertarian sites the old style attitudes in the US the kind I approve of, yes your country is not all bad by any stretch just your Neo con pro luciferian regime which you lot here obviously are foolish enough to support.
For myself despite my obvious interest conspiracy theories and passing interest in the esoteric I am actually when all is said and done a very orthodox Christian probably more so than most of my contemporaries. It is mainstream Christian Church's which are moving away from Christ towards liberalism and apostasy I have for myself decided to take a more Conservative or Orthodox stand if you will. However I am still miles apart form you hawkish Christian Zionists whom actually seem to be supporting Lucifer without even realising it.:confused:

[BigNorsk]

No such thing as more Christian, there are not degrees of salvation, either one is saved, or one is not. Either one is Christian or one is not.

Maybe you meant to say one groups doctrines are more correct than anothers?

Marv

[misfitforfaith]

No such thing as more Christian, there are not degrees of salvation, either one is saved, or one is not. Either one is Christian or one is not.

Maybe you meant to say one groups doctrines are more correct than anothers?

Once upon time as in pre the 1960s (before i was born) when the Christian world in the west was so much more straight forward in its theologies (Orthodox) maybe i would have agreed with you.
However now with the staggering amount of different churches, apologetics, new age theologies etc I disagree with you, i think there are some kind of Christians &churches that are holy and filled with the holy spirit and their are others that plain liars and deceptions artists and not very Christian to my mind or soul at all.
So I disagree Post modern Christianity is full of apostasy, Apologetics,Liberalism, Neo Gnosticism, Pelagianism etc, take your pick whatever term you wish to describe its post modern state. Jesus also warned us about this he mentioned the Great falling away as in the great falling away from an orthodox understanding of the Bible that much I agree with true fundermentalists about the Bible.:cool:

[misfitforfaith]

:cool: Getting back to the original thread Question can one be Liberal and Fundamentalist.
Its clear we in live in Globalised capitalist system based on LIBERLISM both morally and economically.
If the fundamentalist in the US have as much power as they like to claim in the US which is after all where the worlds values radiate from the world wouldnt have such liberal values. So the Answer is definitely YES!.:cool:

[cubanito]

No such thing as more Christian, there are not degrees of salvation, either one is saved, or one is not. Either one is Christian or one is not.

Maybe you meant to say one groups doctrines are more correct than anothers?

Marv
As oft the case, I agree w Marvelous Marvin.

Correct doctrine does not necessarily lead to a closer walk w Christ. It is helpful, and I care much about doctrine, but many truly great Christians have had somewhat weak theologies in various areas.

JR

[mujercristiana]

The bottom line is to follow Christ's teachings. Now Christ himself was viewed as radical with His interpretations, but if there was anything He made abundantly clear was that we are not to live solely for this world. Love for Christ comes first. It comes before your family, before your friends, even before your very life. Christ did not believe in a designed set of rules, but He did believe in the law God the Father set forth. He wanted us to come to a closer understanding of the Father through Him. And when we draw near to God, He draws near to us, and the things of this world matter little. Jesus was NOT into politics. He wanted everyone to follow the laws issued by government, but not at the expense of one's faith. If such an instance then required rebellion, so be it. We have to stop looking at things through our own eyes and look through things through Christ's perspective. He does not want us to build our treasures here, whether through a fine home, a a large bank account, or becoming consumed by our own personal appearances. Rather to seek Him and our fellow man.
If we're going to have a discussion, let us use the Biblical principals to prove our points.