Discussion thread for Debie1967 to be elected as moderator

[Jim47]

Below are the guide lines for discussion and election




1. This current guideline is only in effect until the community establishes WIKI guidelines for holding moderator elections, and no later than December 31, 2007.

2. Moderators elected under this guideline keep their positions until December 31, 2007.

3. These guidelines will only serve for election of moderators outside of the Congregational Forums, and for forums which do not have election guidelines already established in their respective WIKI's.

4. To receive a nomination, a candidate must approach or be approached by a moderator and receive their support.


5. The supporting moderator will start two threads.
a. A poll with two options. "Yes" and "Apply Later".b. A thread for Q&A with the candidate. In this thread there will be no more than ONE primary post per member (questions or statements)--with the ONLY exception being ONE additional post for one of the following reasons:1. to ask ONE follow up question (must be directly related to the original question)2. to clarify the orignial question IF asked by the applicatant, or3. to recant a statement made by the member in the original post the member made.c. While the application itself is no longer necessary, it might be usefull to use the old mod application to glean some of the questions for the applicant.6. The poll and Q&A threads will remain open for 7 days. At this point they will be closed.

7. The poll thread will be used ONLY for voting purposes. The only posts to be made in this thread are to indicate a change in voting. All other posts will be moved to the Q&A thread.

8. At the end of the seven days, the votes will be tabulated. Greater than 70% approval (Yes votes) will result in the candidate being elected. This option is chosen over a simple majority (50% +1%) to avoid polarizing the fora. 70% or greater demonstrates a wide degree of acceptance of the candidate.

[jameseb]

Debi,

A quote from a previous interaction with you:

Debie1967[/SIZE]]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseb http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=37602355#post37602355)
Excellent reference for this discussion. However, can anyone find something similarly stated by Christ himself?

Wait because it wasn't said by Christ himself but by the Apostles then we are not to adhere to it?

Ummm since when?

Is not all Scripture inspired of God?


My question is this:

Given your response here, and the lack of a response to my reply, I'm concerned that you may not have the patience or restraint to act on something with proper perspective or insight as a moderator. How would you address this concern?

Thank you,

Eric

[Lisa0315]

Debi is a human being saved by grace. I can vouch for her that she is not perfect, but she is being perfected by our Lord. She has shown me true Christ-like character in the past. I know her to have a good heart and a true desire to serve God on this forum. She tends to think deeply about things and will stand up for what she believes is right. She willl make a superior moderator and I would be honored to serve by her side.

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

Debie given your meltdown with me last week I'm left wondering if your in control of your emotions enough to be mod and what if any step taken to help ensure your not going to have a blowup like that again.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Debie given your meltdown with me last week I'm left wondering if your in control of your emotions enough to be mod and what if any step taken to help ensure your not going to have a blowup like that again.
Those were my thoughts as well.

[nyj]

My vote is akin to an "Apply Later". December will usher out all current moderators and put everyone up for reelection. I say give us that time to see that concerns have been addressed.

[NewGuy101]

I don't think you are ready to handle the pressures of being a mod. I am just a trainee and I already got jumped a few times because many individuals didn't like my actions (which had nothing to do with morderation). They threw in my face the fact that I was a mod and that wasn't even the topic at hand.

How do we know you can handle the pressure?

http://www.christianforums.com/t5879813-sorry-everyone-i-messed-up-again.html

You also seem to want to modify the rules to accomodate your liberal friends.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5879813-sorry-everyone-i-messed-up-again.html

[Debi1967]

My question is this:

Given your response here, and the lack of a response to my reply, I'm concerned that you may not have the patience or restraint to act on something with proper perspective or insight as a moderator. How would you address this concern?

Thank you,

EricI did respond to your question just not in the way that you wanted I guess. I asked the question right back as to why was scriptural reference needed when all scripture is inspired by God and therefore inspired by Jesus.

As far a your reply I did not see it so I am sorry that I did not reply to it

[Debi1967]

How do I want to modify the rules? I asked to relook at something that might be in a better spirit of the forum. Nothing more. I am ultra Conservative on issues. I also want it made known that I voted for you even though others thought to question your ability to do this job as well.

The person in particular that we are talking about that got reported in my thread that I was trying to defend was not because they are liberal, but because they have expressed their desire to return back to Christianity. I do not want to impede that in anyway. They were at one time a Catholic on this board and then deconverted. You have to balance doing the legal side of this job with the ministry side of doing this job.

[Debi1967]

I am someone that when put into a position like moderation I take that very seriously indeed. When I am debating or having a discussion on this board then I sometimes do in fact let my emotions show, as I am human.

All mods and admins are in fact human and prone to making errors.

The one thing I am not afraid to do like some others that are on staff is to admit to my errors and I think that is what will make me more effective.

[Debi1967]

Thank you Lisa

[Debi1967]

I acted as Wiki Editrix of the CF Wiki area of this board for over one and half years. In that time I learned that debating and doing my job do not mix with each other and that I would have to sacrifice one for the other. Both are types of ministry on this board.

I now if elected would be in the same position again.

It was a super Admin that once told me that I would not be liked for most of the decisions that I make. That I had to get used to that fact and when I was Wiki Editrix I got plenty used to that fact :)

Mods, Supervisors, and Admins are not here to be liked per se, but are here to maintain the rules and to maintain what this site encourages which is ministry. They are here to serve the community of CF as a whole.

This does not mean we are not allowed to have our own personal feelings but what it does mean is that we hould not let them cloud our jobs. In my time as Wiki Editrix I learned how to distinguish between the two.

[Tonks]

Question: How many moderators do you think that CC needs given the number of active posters / number of reports?

[Debi1967]

Question: How many moderators do you think that CC needs given the number of active posters / number of reports?
I think that this section should be well represented because of the diversity of Faiths that post here. Since we ar growing all the time then I think our representation on staff should show this diversity so that no one feels that they are under represented, therefore creating hard feelings when a decision comes down.

[jad123]

I acted as Wiki Editrix of the CF Wiki area of this board for over one and half years. In that time I learned that debating and doing my job do not mix with each other and that I would have to sacrifice one for the other. Both are types of ministry on this board.

I now if elected would be in the same position again.

It was a super Admin that once told me that I would not be liked for most of the decisions that I make. That I had to get used to that fact and when I was Wiki Editrix I got plenty used to that fact :)

Mods, Supervisors, and Admins are not here to be liked per se, but are here to maintain the rules and to maintain what this site encourages which is ministry. They are here to serve the community of CF as a whole.

This does not mean we are not allowed to have our own personal feelings but what it does mean is that we hould not let them cloud our jobs. In my time as Wiki Editrix I learned how to distinguish between the two.

Debi,

Your responses appear to be both honest and heartfelt. You are correct that we are all human and can make mistakes and your admission to mistakes is a quality I believe is important in a mod. I have voted yes. Good luck and God Bless.

[nyj]

We currently have 3, with 2 more in training. Their terms last through December (4.5 more months).

[Debi1967]

We currently have 3, with 2 more in training. Their terms last through December (4.5 more months).
You have 2 mods in training the rest are Supervisors, this is point that should be acknowledged.

We also should alert people that we still do not have Catholic representation.

Unless you are the Super Admin for this section? of which then I was not aware.

Sophia does not work this section very often.

Jim47 has said that he wants to back off of moderation of this section so that he may be able to post more as a member.

FlagLady is the supervisor over in the Charismatic/pentacostal/WoF forum as well and most of the time is doing a lot of stuff for that side of her job.

[nyj]

You have 2 mods in training the rest are Supervisors, this is point that should be acknowledged. The Supervisors can still moderate.

We also should alert people that we still do not have Catholic representation.Hopefully splits along denominational lines won't be an issue. Making it a moderatory issue may very well make it an issue for the entire forum. I'd rather not go there.

Unless you are the Super Admin for this section? of which then I was not aware.I have nothing to do with moderation, and hopefully never will.

[Debi1967]

Hopefully splits along denominational lines won't be an issue. Making it a moderatory issue may very well make it an issue for the entire forum. I'd rather not go there.I hope not either Brother but it has been problematic in the past and therefore should be taken into consideration now. That is my humble opinion though.

[Tonks]

I hope not either Brother but it has been problematic in the past and therefore should be taken into consideration now. That is my humble opinion though.

Proper moderation should be denominationally and ideologically neutral - particularly in an area of the site designated for fellowship and not debate. As such, I'm pretty much concur with njy.

[Debi1967]

Proper moderation should be denominationally and ideologically neutral - particularly in an area of the site designated for fellowship and not debate. As such, I'm pretty much concur with njy.
However we have a debate board now as a sub forum

Besides which that debate sub forum is open to all that wish to debate Conservatives not just us here that wish to debate amongst ourselves.

[Tonks]

Ah, I was unaware that there was a debate forum created.

[Debi1967]

Ah, I was unaware that there was a debate forum created.
No problem Tonks it was only recently created and some people are still unaware that it exists for their use. :)

[Lisa0315]

If I may chime in one more time on Debi's behalf...

Please keep in mind that all mods will be up for re-election at the end of the year. If you have mixed emotions about voting Yes for Debi, you could consider this a trial period for her.

The thing that some are seeing as a negative is the fact that Debi makes mistakes. In reality, we all do. Debi, though, admits to them readily, and I think that is quite a good feature to have in a mod.

Lisa

[Debi1967]

If I may chime in one more time on Debi's behalf...

Please keep in mind that all mods will be up for re-election at the end of the year. If you have mixed emotions about voting Yes for Debi, you could consider this a trial period for her.

The thing that some are seeing as a negative is the fact that Debi makes mistakes. In reality, we all do. Debi, though, admits to them readily, and I think that is quite a good feature to have in a mod.

Lisa
Thank You Sister as I would hope that I could readily admit that I have misjudged a situation and then rectify it immediately for all parties involved. I would hope that we all could strive to do this for the community here so that they see the Staff as being their ally and not their enemy.

Lovingly In Christ
Debi

[CyberPaladin]

However we have a debate board now as a sub forum

Besides which that debate sub forum is open to all that wish to debate Conservatives not just us here that wish to debate amongst ourselves.
Debie that's all the more reason we need our mods to behave in a nuetral manner. If we are going to try and have dialogue with nonbelievers we can't have our mods going off on them because of there feelings.

Also I'm very concerned about statement concerning Catholic representation it's more of that denominational us vs. them mentality that will endup ruining this board.

[soblessed53]

However we have a debate board now as a sub forum

Besides which that debate sub forum is open to all that wish to debate Conservatives not just us here that wish to debate amongst ourselves.


Yeah so it's like living right next door to the Love Canal,or any other toxic dump! :sick: :sick: :o

May I ask,why didn't the members here get to vote on whether we want liberals allowed here,or even if we want a debate forum? I think most of us believed this was going to be a no-liberals allowed zone.

[Debi1967]

Debie that's all the more reason we need our mods to behave in a nuetral manner. If we are going to try and have dialogue with nonbelievers we can't have our mods going off on them because of there feelings.

Also I'm very concerned about statement concerning Catholic representation it's more of that denominational us vs. them mentality that will endup ruining this board.
I think you have misunderstood my post Cyber, as it is not about us vs them. However when in debate situations it helps to have all areas of Faith represented so that when critiquing the members posts you have someone that is on Staff that is knowledgable in that area. It helps the other moderators that may not be so knowledgeable in that theology to have the input of someone that is familiar with it.

This then lends to making decisions for all posters that are far more fair and equitable in nature.

Also I do not know if you have seen but I already am involved in the support forum the ecumenical forum and the theology forum in the reports area and I have always kept a neutral stance in the same manner that I was taught to do when evaluating wikis in the CF wiki area for one and half years.

Many times I had to evaluate wikis of other denoms and when I was unsure about something either had to do some research to educate myself or I had to ask my team to help me in determining whether something was in fact a violation or not. My Team was essential to me. I deliberately asked to assemble a team because I knew that making these decisions on my own could then put me in a position that I was not equipped. With the benefit of a team that covered all Faith denoms I was better able to make informed decisions.

[Debi1967]

Yeah so it's like living right next door to the Love Canal,or any other toxic dump! :sick: :sick: :o

May I ask,why didn't the members here get to vote on whether we want liberals allowed here,or even if we want a debate forum? I think most of us believed this was going to be a no-liberals allowed zone.
soblessed I do believe we had a vote on this matter a to whether to add this type of forum or not and that is why we added it because most of the congregation wanted it contained to the subforum so that it did not infiltrate the board itself.

[Debi1967]

BTW when given the opportunity to pick my replacement as head editor of CF Wiki I did not replace myself with a Catholic.... in fact I replaced myself with the most qualified to take the post and that was SirTimothy.

He has shown that he can handle the situations of CF wiki even when he is upset and angry, that his feelings do not get in the way of his decision making process and that when he makes mistakes he is ready to admit to them. All of these qualities I thought were admirable and thus the reason I chose him above all the candidates i could have chosen from.

[Lisa0315]

Yeah so it's like living right next door to the Love Canal,or any other toxic dump! :sick: :sick: :o

May I ask,why didn't the members here get to vote on whether we want liberals allowed here,or even if we want a debate forum? I think most of us believed this was going to be a no-liberals allowed zone.

There was never any discussion regarding liberals being allowed in or not. We couldn't shut the door per Erwin's directive. All forums are open to everyone. However, we can set limits on what others can do within our forum. This means that only members vote and make rules. Only members may be mods, but Q&A is open to everyone. Fellowship is open to everyone.

BTW, while Liberal doctrine is not my cup of tea either, I reserve judgement on individuals. You may be surprised that one can disagree on much and still be friends. Who knows, an open heart may also open the door to discussion that would sway someone to Christ or closer to Christ.

Lisa

[Debi1967]

There was never any discussion regarding liberals being allowed in or not. We couldn't shut the door per Erwin's directive. All forums are open to everyone. However, we can set limits on what others can do within our forum. This means that only members vote and make rules. Only members may be mods, but Q&A is open to everyone. Fellowship is open to everyone.

BTW, while Liberal doctrine is not my cup of tea either, I reserve judgement on individuals. You may be surprised that one can disagree on much and still be friends. Who knows, an open heart may also open the door to discussion that would sway someone to Christ or closer to Christ.

Lisa
Agreed Lisa

We should not shut out the opportunity to be the ministers we all are called to be.

[Miss Shelby]

My vote is akin to an "Apply Later".
Mine is akin to "No".

I like Debi, I think she has a lot of great qualities, but moderating just isn't for everyone and I see real potential problems regarding objectivity and level headedness.

[Debi1967]

Mine is akin to "No".

I like Debi, I think she has a lot of great qualities, but moderating just isn't for everyone and I see real potential problems regarding objectivity and level headedness.
I have proven that I can and am objective and levelheaded when I took on CF Wiki and retained that position for a year and a half.

Since you have failed to see that side of my capabilities then it is hard to make a judgement on what I can and cannot do ....

[Jim47]

Question: How many moderators do you think that CC needs given the number of active posters / number of reports?



I know you were asking Debie, but I do have approved to more forward with more Mods for CC, as to put a number to that question, I would say about 100 ;)

[MrJim]

I know you were asking Debie, but I do have approved to more forward with more Mods for CC, as to put a number to that question, I would say about 100 ;)

^_^ rename this place to "Rulemaking & Mod Vote Forum":P

[Debi1967]

^_^ rename this place to "Rulemaking & Mod Vote Forum":P
:D

[Jim47]

I just fixed my PM problem, deleted everyone of them :P and I'm locking the box ;)

[Hentenza]

I just fixed my PM problem, deleted everyone of them :P and I'm locking the box ;)

You can't say I didn't warn you.^_^^_^^_^^_^:P

[rushingwind62]

I voted yes. Many of you may think I only voted yes because Debi is my wife. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I voted yes because Debi is one of the most logical thinking people I know. When I first met her she was very outspoken and kind of set in her ways. But over the two years we have been married she has undergone a huge transformation. And I think that is largely due to being wiki editrix. It cause her to broaden her perspective about various denominations.She became very flexible working with others, and I seen a side of her I never have before. She was fair and just in her decision making in wiki.And I think she would make a great mod and many of you would be suprised! Yes she does make mistakes, she is human. No one here or in the world is perfect, we all make mistakes. Debi is quick to admit her mistakes and learn from them. Again many here may not believe it but Debi is really a humble person.

[jameseb]

I did respond to your question just not in the way that you wanted I guess. I asked the question right back as to why was scriptural reference needed when all scripture is inspired by God and therefore inspired by Jesus.

As far a your reply I did not see it so I am sorry that I did not reply to it


To clarify, the part that concerned me, as it relates to being a moderator, is that you not only asked a question, but then basically answered it for me whilst posing another question based on an assumed answer (overall giving me a feeling of all ready being put on the defensive on my first foray into this forum)

As far as member to member discussion it is a really minor thing, but as a moderator one has to be careful not to be too presumptious as members expect staff to be a cut above the rest. My concern, which is at the heart of my question, is that you might not assimilate all the facts before making up your mind about something.

[Debi1967]

To clarify, the part that concerned me, as it relates to being a moderator, is that you not only asked a question, but then basically answered it for me whilst posing another question based on an assumed answer (overall giving me a feeling of all ready being put on the defensive on my first foray into this forum)

As far as member to member discussion it is a really minor thing, but as a moderator one has to be careful not to be too presumptious as members expect staff to be a cut above the rest. My concern, which is at the heart of my question, is that you might not assimilate all the facts before making up your mind about something.
james
ok Now that I know exactly what is bothersome for you then let me answer.

There is a distinct difference between talking and debating between your own brethren and between moderating. One has to do with one's personal Faith and expressing that and the other has to do with being able to see outside of your Faith and being able to see all sides of a situation. Just because I answered in the manner that I did doesn't mean that I cannot differentiate between the two.

I have a question for you since you have already vote no ..... why did you do so based upon one interaction with me before getting clarification from me? Would it not have been more beneficial to get furthr clarification on the problem before making that judgement?

[jameseb]

I have a question for you since you have already vote no ..... why did you do so based upon one interaction with me before getting clarification from me? Would it not have been more beneficial to get furthr clarification on the problem before making that judgement?


Debi,

I haven't voted no. I haven't voted at all. And as for making judgement, I haven't. This, in fact, is part of my concern - presumptious conclusions. You ask why I didn't ask you for clarification - I thought my posts here would be pretty self-evident of such.

In any event, I think I have exceeded the parameters of the OP, but I did want to address your questions. I'll excuse myself from this thread. Good luck and thank you.

[Debi1967]

Debi,

I haven't voted no. I haven't voted at all. And as for making judgement, I haven't. This, in fact, is part of my concern - presumptious conclusions. You ask why I didn't ask you for clarification - I thought my posts here would be pretty self-evident of such.

In any event, I think I have exceeded the parameters of the OP, but I did want to address your questions. I'll excuse myself from this thread. Good luck and thank you.
Oh wait .... ahh I thought I saw you in the No section now if I was wrong then I admit to that being a mistake too and pleas forgive me I am now a little tired....

I should not have answered you until later and until I had rechecked, dang it I was going to recheck that too and thought to myself no because I was positive I saw your name :doh:

[jameseb]

I am now a little tired....

I totally understand how that goes. :)

[Debi1967]

Anyone saying she is stupid right now I totally agree with :doh:

[Debi1967]

So that everyone knows I have changed my icon back to Christian .... This change has come after much reflection and was not on a whim although was confirmed as my only path today because of what you would call the perverbial straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.

I will not get into that here in this thread.

However if this change changes some of the minds that have voted for me to become mod I will understand why.

But now you all know what truly has been on mind and so bothrsome to me lately that I have overreacted in some situations.

[thereselittleflower]

OK . . what is the point of having the debate subforum open to non conservatives to debate?

Isn't that what Nicene Theology and the other debate forums accomplish?


It doesn't make sense to make this sub forum open to all like the Nicene Theology forum is.

It makes sense that this is a debate forum for only Conservatives. There is no point in making a duplicate Theology debate forum as our sub forum.

.

[MrJim]

OK . . what is the point of having the debate subforum open to non conservatives to debate?

Isn't that what Nicene Theology and the other debate forums accomplish?


It doesn't make sense to make this sub forum open to all like the Nicene Theology forum is.

It makes sense that this is a debate forum for only Conservatives. There is no point in making a duplicate Theology debate forum as our sub forum.

.

You're right of course, I think it was a bone to toss to the libs since they are so compulsively obsessed with this forum that we capitulated on that one:doh:

[Lisa0315]

You're right of course, I think it was a bone to toss to the libs since they are so compulsively obsessed with this forum that we capitulated on that one:doh:

Not really. We are not allowed to close this forum. So, a subforum is a way to keep non-Conservatives away from just those who want to fellowship and not debate.

Lisa

[MrJim]

Not really. We are not allowed to close this forum. So, a subforum is a way to keep non-Conservatives away from just those who want to fellowship and not debate.

Lisa

:hug: See that's why you're the mod and I'm just the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] poster;)

[MrJim]

:hug: See that's why you're the mod and I'm just the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] poster;)

Oh yeah, that word isn't allowed:P

I always thought that each "wash my mouth" bracket was a word (so I'd try to figger it out) but it's for each letter.

Ya never stop learnin', even for a [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] like me^_^

[Lisa0315]

:hug: See that's why you're the mod and I'm just the [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth] poster;)

:eek: Thats alot of wash my mouths! ^_^

Not quite a mod yet. Got my trainer, just not my class yet.

Lisa

[Debi1967]

bump

[Debi1967]

I am saying that we get rid of allowing anyone in to debate us except us

[Debi1967]

bump