Can we get some clarity on the CC rules please?

[jameseb]

Do these rules not apply?

http://www.christianforums.com/t5857934-rules-for-conservative-christians-as-of-8-7-07.html

Our 'Sign In' thread says one only has to consider himself a "conservative" Christian to sign up to this forum, whilst the rules state that one must have 50 posts and be "confirmed" by at least 5 members.

Further, I see one staff member suggesting all one has to do is add his name to the 'Sign In' thread to debate here, and yet another staff member stating that the above linked rules aren't applicable right now.

Guys.. gals... I'm getting very confused by all this. I can't keep track of multiple threads/discussion in order to gather some vague idea of where the rules stand, what is required to become a member here, and what rules and beliefs one must hold to be considered a CC... if any since this seems to be up in the air as well.

Some more clarity would be appreciated. Thank you.

[MrJim]

They're still working this out, don't know where it all stands myself.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

The snapshot of the wiki has not been updated since we made a couple of changes. That's the downside to wikis. :)

The sign in sheet has a link to our wiki for those who want to read the current rules.

We are still working on it...nothing is cast in stone as of yet. This forum is very young and not quite established...but getting there! :D

In regards to the new members coming in. We still need to agree on the deadline. Until then, it's open for those who would call themselves Conservative Christians.

Hope that helps. And I'm sorry it's so confusing right now.

[Lisa0315]

Do these rules not apply?

http://www.christianforums.com/t5857934-rules-for-conservative-christians-as-of-8-7-07.html

Our 'Sign In' thread says one only has to consider himself a "conservative" Christian to sign up to this forum, whilst the rules state that one must have 50 posts and be "confirmed" by at least 5 members.

Further, I see one staff member suggesting all one has to do is add his name to the 'Sign In' thread to debate here, and yet another staff member stating that the above linked rules aren't applicable right now.

Guys.. gals... I'm getting very confused by all this. I can't keep track of multiple threads/discussion in order to gather some vague idea of where the rules stand, what is required to become a member here, and what rules and beliefs one must hold to be considered a CC... if any since this seems to be up in the air as well.

Some more clarity would be appreciated. Thank you.

Hey, I am that staff member who said that the rules were applicable yet, but I also said, "Correct me if I am wrong". I don't think ANYONE knows at this point, and it is not going to help with reports.

I agree. Once and for all, we need to settle this.

How?

Lisa

[MrJim]

I agree. Once and for all, we need to settle this.

How?

Lisa

Heads or Tails?

[Lisa0315]

Heads or Tails?

^_^ Heads!

Lisa

[MrJim]

^_^ Heads!

Lisa

Sorry, it was tails...:P

[jameseb]

The snapshot of the wiki has not been updated since we made a couple of changes. That's the downside to wikis. :)

The sign in sheet has a link to our wiki for those who want to read the current rules.

We are still working on it...nothing is cast in stone as of yet. This forum is very young and not quite established...but getting there! :D

In regards to the new members coming in. We still need to agree on the deadline. Until then, it's open for those who would call themselves Conservative Christians.

Hope that helps. And I'm sorry it's so confusing right now.


Thanks for the information. From what I understand then we have no "rules" per se - only non-binding guidelines. Am I understanding this correctly? We have no rules, right?

Also, I found no link in the 'Sign In' OP for the Wiki discussion. I'm still don't quite 'get' this whole new Wiki thing, so I have no idea where to go to find the true discussion on the rules, though I'm sure with more searching I might find it. I seem to see a lot of discussion regarding the rules in the stickied threads above - if there is just one link to the rules discussion, I would appreciate it. And thanks again. :)


P.S.

And I'm not ranting about this, not harshing on anyone - I'm just trying to make sense of this all and it can be a bit frustrating.

[Lisa0315]

Sorry, it was tails...:P

Good, cuz, with my new super mod powers, I knew by the IP address, it was a trick coin! :P

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Thanks for the information. From what I understand then we have no "rules" per se - only non-binding guidelines. Am I understanding this correctly? We have no rules, right?

Also, I found no link in the 'Sign In' OP for the Wiki discussion. I'm still don't quite 'get' this whole new Wiki thing, so I have no idea where to go to find the true discussion on the rules, though I'm sure with more searching I might find it. I seem to see a lot of discussion regarding the rules in the stickied threads above - if there is just one link to the rules discussion, I would appreciate it. And thanks again. :)


P.S.

And I'm not ranting about this, not harshing on anyone - I'm just trying to make sense of this all and it can be a bit frustrating.

I think Lady Treki just added you to the CCC list. :)

Lisa

[soblessed53]

The snapshot of the wiki has not been updated since we made a couple of changes. That's the downside to wikis. :)

The sign in sheet has a link to our wiki for those who want to read the current rules.

We are still working on it...nothing is cast in stone as of yet. This forum is very young and not quite established...but getting there! :D

In regards to the new members coming in. We still need to agree on the deadline. Until then, it's open for those who would call themselves Conservative Christians.

Hope that helps. And I'm sorry it's so confusing right now.


Please can you explain how then how/why an ULTRA-liberal such as this, has been "invited" to post their views in OUR debate forum?
Doesn't rule 6 prohibit this? This person cannot qualify as a Conservative,nor is a member here,but is in fact a member and soon to be MOD of the liberal forum! :mad: :mad:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5917066-question.html

[jameseb]

Hey, I am that staff member who said that the rules were applicable yet, but I also said, "Correct me if I am wrong". I don't think ANYONE knows at this point, and it is not going to help with reports.

No, I know you stated "correct me if I am wrong", I wasn't trying to target you as part of the problem, but instead the lack of clarity on where the rules/membership stands that is confusing you, me, and everyone else that is the real problem.

I agree. Once and for all, we need to settle this.

How?

Lisa


How about we just close membership right now? Take a "shapshot" (whatever that means really) of the rules as they stand now and make them legit and applicable - if there are issues to still resolve, great, amend the rules later, but I think some concrete rules is what is needed at this moment.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Thanks for the information. From what I understand then we have no "rules" per se - only non-binding guidelines. Am I understanding this correctly? We have no rules, right?

Also, I found no link in the 'Sign In' OP for the Wiki discussion. I'm still don't quite 'get' this whole new Wiki thing, so I have no idea where to go to find the true discussion on the rules, though I'm sure with more searching I might find it. I seem to see a lot of discussion regarding the rules in the stickied threads above - if there is just one link to the rules discussion, I would appreciate it. And thanks again. :)


P.S.

And I'm not ranting about this, not harshing on anyone - I'm just trying to make sense of this all and it can be a bit frustrating.

No problem james. :) We have rules...but they can be changed. It's like their fluid right now.

Here's the first post of the sign in thread for you...you'll notice the link on the bottom that goes to the wiki. :)

Hello all...:wave:

In order to get a better idea of who would like to be apart of this forum, perhaps we should sign in. :)

This way we will know if everyone has been represented when it comes to polls etc.

So if you consider yourself a Conservative Christian and would like to be a member of this forum, please post here in this thread!

Please DO NOT post here if you do not want to be apart of this area.

Thank you!
Dawn


Ok...here's the current list. I'll try to keep the most current list here in the opening post.


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Also...if you would like to check out the wiki to see our rules and guidelines so far, here's a link (http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860-wiki-conservative-christians-forum.html).

[Lisa0315]

Please can you explain how then how/why an ULTRA-liberal such as this, has been "invited" to post their views in OUR debate forum?
Doesn't rule 6 prohibit this? This person cannot qualify as a Conservative,nor is a member here,but is in fact a member and soon to be MOD of the liberal forum! :mad: :mad:
http://www.christianforums.com/t5917066-question.html

We are not allowed to close our doors, nor would I want that personally. However, everyone is allowed to fellowhship with us and everyone is allowed to ask questions. I personally would not even mind mild discussion with non-Conservatives. So, I don't understand why you are so upset by this.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

The problem is we simply cannot get all members in here at one time and get a consensus. Something needs to be done but no one person has the authority to do anything. Then, we cannot seem to get a good number of participants to vote in polls or participate in wikis. When we do get something started, an idea, a suggestion, sometimes it is met with very hostile opposition, so people give up.

Lisa

[jameseb]

No problem james. :) We have rules...but they can be changed. It's like their fluid right now.

I hope you'll forgive me, but I'm still not totally understanding... just to clarify:

Are the rules for the CC forum (stickied above) applicalbe as of this moment?

I'm not sure the Sign In list clarifies if one must only consider himself a "conservative Christian" or must adhere to the forums definitions of what a CC is in order to join.

If the rules are in effect now, shouldn't we go ahead and close membership? Or should that portion of the rules be amended?

Here's the first post of the sign in thread for you...you'll notice the link on the bottom that goes to the wiki. :)


Ah. My apologies. I didn't notice it down there at the very end. :blush: Just a suggestion, but that might be better placed somewhere near the top of the Sign In sheet.


And LT, thank you for your patience. I'm sorry if I'm being problematic. Just trying to figure out where things stand.

[Lisa0315]

I just looked at the "when do we close open membership poll". Technically, closing it immediately was the consensus, but by a very small margin. It was 12 to 10 which is only 1/3 of our membership.

I just do not know if we can recognize that as a consensus. The poll could be reopened...

Lisa

[soblessed53]

We are not allowed to close our doors, nor would I want that personally. However, everyone is allowed to fellowhship with us and everyone is allowed to ask questions. I personally would not even mind mild discussion with non-Conservatives. So, I don't understand why you are so upset by this.

Lisa


Hi Lisa,the reason I am so upset by this is because as SimonTemplar stated in Rochir's Question thread,this was touted as going to be a safe haven for Conservative Christians! SAFE from the attacks by such people as Rochir that we have all been complaining about happening throughout CF. I was invited here several weeks ago,but when I checked I saw Rochir was posting here(familar with this person from CN&E) so I thought,"it's all just a farce, nothing is going to be different" and it appears that my instincts were 100% correct!:cry: :cry: :cry: :sigh:

[jameseb]

The problem is we simply cannot get all members in here at one time and get a consensus. Something needs to be done but no one person has the authority to do anything. Then, we cannot seem to get a good number of participants to vote in polls or participate in wikis. When we do get something started, an idea, a suggestion, sometimes it is met with very hostile opposition, so people give up.

Lisa


Why not just go with the people who did cast votes, regardless of their numbers? If votes were made, and one-side won, I say go ahead and make them rules. If people don't like them they can always choose to participate in amending them.

[Lisa0315]

Why not just go with the people who did cast votes, regardless of their numbers? If votes were made, and one-side won, I say go ahead and make them rules. If people don't like them they can always choose to participate in amending them.

It is not my decision to make and as newbie staff, I need to be careful and very neutral.

Lisa

[jameseb]

I just looked at the "when do we close open membership poll". Technically, closing it immediately was the consensus, but by a very small margin. It was 12 to 10 which is only 1/3 of our membership.

I just do not know if we can recognize that as a consensus. The poll could be reopened...

Lisa


That's a CF Wiki phenomenon I've seen a lot of lately and I totally don't get it - Even when the polls state one choice has the majority, and the poll is closed, there seems to be a discussion of whether or not it is valid.

I understand what you're saying, I really do... but not acting on a decision to implement what has been decided, by whatever close vote or number of participants, only throws a wrench into the system and opens the door to chaos.

[Lisa0315]

Hi Lisa,the reason I am so upset by this is because as SimonTemplar stated in Rochir's Question thread,this was touted as going to be a safe haven for Conservative Christians! SAFE from the attacks by such people as Rochir that we have all been complaining about happening throughout CF. I was invited here several weeks ago,but when I checked I saw Rochir was posting here(familar with this person from CN&E) so I thought,"it's all just a farce, nothing is going to be different" and it appears that my instincts were 100% correct!:cry: :cry: :cry: :sigh:

hmm...Well, something that I just learned. You can put Rochir on Ignore and you will not even be able to see his posts when they come up. I don't know if you will be able to see quotes by him posted by other members.

Still, I do understand where you are coming from. I wanted my safe haven AND a place to discuss with Conservatives and non-Conservatives.

The problem that we cannot get around is that we are not allowed per Erwin to close our doors to anyone.

However, what I do suggest if a liberal poster continues to cause you distress with his posts, document them in reports. After some time, a trend will appear. On the other hand, that trend may result in showing you as a "spite reporter".

Believe me. I totally understand where you are coming from. The best we can do is to redefine the sitewide spamming/trolling/harrassing rule here to be more detailed.

How to do this? I don't know. What constitutes harrassing, spamming, trolling behavior?

Lisa

[MrJim]

That's a CF Wiki phenomenon I've seen a lot of lately and I totally don't get it - Even when the polls state one choice has the majority, and the poll is closed, there seems to be a discussion of whether or not it is valid.

I understand what you're saying, I really do... but not acting on a decision to implement what has been decided, by whatever close vote or number of participants, only throws a wrench into the system and opens the door to chaos.

Yeah, wiki sux~no doubt about it.

There ought to be a council of senior members, maybe vote in 7 or 9 people and have a rotating sort of membership thing to hammer out these sort of issues...rulemaking by mob vote ain't working.

Or elect an elder to make all the rules for us. We could call him "Big Daddy" if it's a dude, or "Big Momma" if it's not

Or instead of voting we could cast lots or have a trusting person flip a coin for an answer and let God decide it for us.

I'm all about ideas:P

[jameseb]

Yeah, wiki sux~no doubt about it.

There ought to be a council of senior members, maybe vote in 7 or 9 people and have a rotating sort of membership thing to hammer out these sort of issues...rulemaking by mob vote ain't working.

Or elect an elder to make all the rules for us. We could call him "Big Daddy" if it's a dude, or "Big Momma" if it's not

Or instead of voting we could cast lots or have a trusting person flip a coin for an answer and let God decide it for us.

I'm all about ideas:P


LOL - I love the ideas... and I'm all about implementing ideas. :)

[Lisa0315]

I could go for that as well, Jim. I am not sure which of your ideas would work the best, though. If I remember correctly from my sociology class, 3 is the worst number, and 5 is the best for a committee. That is assuming that we do not want a Big Daddy or Big Momma. ^_^

Lisa

[soblessed53]

hmm...Well, something that I just learned. You can put Rochir on Ignore and you will not even be able to see his posts when they come up. I don't know if you will be able to see quotes by him posted by other members.

Still, I do understand where you are coming from. I wanted my safe haven AND a place to discuss with Conservatives and non-Conservatives.

The problem that we cannot get around is that we are not allowed per Erwin to close our doors to anyone.

However, what I do suggest if a liberal poster continues to cause you distress with his posts, document them in reports. After some time, a trend will appear. On the other hand, that trend may result in showing you as a "spite reporter".

Believe me. I totally understand where you are coming from. The best we can do is to redefine the sitewide spamming/trolling/harrassing rule here to be more detailed.

How to do this? I don't know. What constitutes harrassing, spamming, trolling behavior?

Lisa


Thank you for understanding. It seems I have no choice but to use your suggestion to documement the posts, if I am to continue here,though,because I am highly suspicious that any change is in the air whatsoever, to help make this site deserve the title Christian,in it's name.I do appreciate your suggestion,and will do that if I remain here. Thank you.:( :sigh: :)

You all should be prepared for attacks on Christians,the church,especially the Catholic church,and support for pro-choice and homosexuality. Guess I will start with saving this post,huh!

[Lisa0315]

Thank you for understanding. It seems I have no choice but to use your suggestion to documement the posts, if I am to continue here,though,because I am highly suspicious that any change is in the air whatsoever, to help make this site deserve the title Christian,in it's name,I do appreciate your suggestion,and will do that if I remain here. Thank you.:( :sigh: :)

If it helps at all, I promise you that when I am fully a mod, it will be watched carefully. PM me anytime with your concerns. Okay?

I also think that as our forum develops, there will be more movement towards defining what is allowed and what is not allowed by non-members. There is just nothing enforcable right now and that is the problem. Non-members can ask any question, and they can do so fifty times causing upset to many members or stirring up strife between us, and there is really no recourse for the mods except to say NV.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I hope you'll forgive me, but I'm still not totally understanding... just to clarify:

Are the rules for the CC forum (stickied above) applicalbe as of this moment?

Yes...to my knowledge they are. :)

I'm not sure the Sign In list clarifies if one must only consider himself a "conservative Christian" or must adhere to the forums definitions of what a CC is in order to join.

It's in the wiki.

If the rules are in effect now, shouldn't we go ahead and close membership? Or should that portion of the rules be amended?




Ah. My apologies. I didn't notice it down there at the very end. :blush: Just a suggestion, but that might be better placed somewhere near the top of the Sign In sheet.

Will do! :thumbsup:


And LT, thank you for your patience. I'm sorry if I'm being problematic. Just trying to figure out where things stand.

It's all good james...no worries. :)

[soblessed53]

Oh that is good to hear,that someone cares.
I hope you are right about as the forum develops.
I just can't see any reason for this ridiculous Wiki sytem in the first place! Stupidest thing I have ever seen on any forum anywhere,LOL! Only place I have ever seen it,as a matter of fact!

Anyway, I will probably avoid this place more than I will be here,unless/until I see some improvement. I know of a much nicer fiorum with a truly sweet spirit,and no liberals around,LOL! It's pretty new, so not real active yet, with only about 250 members,but such nice people.

So I will be checking in. Thank you again. Chris

If I decide to leave permanently I will request my name be removed from the membership list.

[Tangeloper]

As I understand it, a PM was sent to Sophia asking her to correct her post of the rules to properly reflect what was decided upon in the WIKI thread.

Oh, and you're not the only member who is confused! LOL I am as well, and have asked some of the same questions!

I would think this is clearly indicitive of a desperate need to get some clarity and leadership in this forum.
:idea: I propose electing a President and Congress for this sub-forum!!! Just Kidding (kind of...)!!! ^_^ ;)

Interestingly, this whole situation points out why a pure democracy in society would never work.

Now, in regards to the polls -- if they were open the required amount of time, and voting has now ended the membership has had their opportunity to vote, and has either done so, or decided to abstain from voting on that particular issue. Even if the outcome is close the "winner" still wins, even if by a nose, so to speak. In order to amend this we would have to state that the poll itself is only binding if a certain percentage has been reached by an option, or the poll is only binding if a quorum is present in the final vote tally, or if there is a distinct margin has been obtained by the end of voting... I guess this is another issue for the WIKI?!?! :doh:

I love politics personally, but the way things are currently working in regards to deciding rules, etc... is getting a little burdensome and is interferring with our ability to actually discuss issues in this forum. I understand that this will clear up by itself once clear rules are in effect!

You know, watching this and participating even in little ways has given me an even greater respect for the founders of our country (and other countries as well -- even if I don't agree with all their decisions). Can you imagine what it's like when a country is new and the debates they had to go through to decide what to institute as far as original constraints (the Constitution)!?!?! :swoon:

[Lisa0315]

As I understand it, a PM was sent to Sophia asking her to correct her post of the rules to properly reflect what was decided upon in the WIKI thread.

Oh, and you're not the only member who is confused! LOL I am as well, and have asked some of the same questions!

I would think this is clearly indicitive of a desperate need to get some clarity and leadership in this forum.
:idea: I propose electing a President and Congress for this sub-forum!!! Just Kidding (kind of...)!!! ^_^ ;)

Interestingly, this point out why a pure democracy in society would never work. In regards to the polls -- if they were open the required amount of time, and voting has now ended the membership has had their opportunity to vote, and has either done so, or decided to abstain from voting on that particular issue. Even if the outcome is close the "winner" still wins, even if by a nose, so to speak. In order to amend this we would have to state that the poll itself is only binding if a certain percentage has been reached by an option, or if there is a distinct margin has been obtained by the end of voting... I guess this is another issue for the WIKI?!?! :doh:

I love politics personally, but the way things are currently working in regards to deciding rules, etc... is getting a little burdensome and is interferring with our ability to actually discuss issues in this forum. I understand that this will clear up by itself once clear rules are in effect!

You know, watching this and participating even in little ways has given me an even greater respect for the founders of our country (and other countries as well -- even if I don't agree with all their decisions). Can you imagine what it's like when a country is new and the debates they had to go through to decide what to institute as far as original constraints (the Constitution)!?!?! :swoon:

You took the words right out of my mouth!!!! Back when all of this started, I was on vacation and spent almost the entire week doing wiki! My husband asked me what I was doing on the computer so much, and I told him, "Writing the Constitution!". He gave me the strangest look. ^_^

Lisa

[nyj]

The snapshotted rules are the forum rules (which we've drawn up in our WIKI) which should be enforced. When the WIKI is next snapshotted (we have to put it up to a vote), that will become the enforced set of rules.

[Tangeloper]

The snapshotted rules are the forum rules (which we've drawn up in our WIKI) which should be enforced. When the WIKI is next snapshotted (we have to put it up to a vote), that will become the enforced set of rules.
nyj,

From what I understand the stickied rules as they sit now, are NOT the ones that have been accepted through the WIKI process as it regards to membership (i.e. requiring 5 members for acceptance of membership -- see rule #4 under membership in the sticky thread). I don't think this has been truly accepted yet, has it???

It was stated within the rules discussion thread that Sophia made a mistake in posting the rules on 8/7/07 in this regard, and I believe she has been asked to edit them to reflect the portions already accepted only, but has not done so yet... (Not sure why not...)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

She didn't make a mistake Tangeloper...it was requested that there be a snapshot of the wiki at that time to be in a sticki so that people could have easier access to them. At least that was my understanding.

She will update the sticky of the wiki sometime soon. This is what she told me in a pm:

The rules stickies in the congregational areas are being copied from the wikis and used as temporary forum-specific rules. The wikis can't be enforced; only the snapshots of the rules can be enforced when they are placed in the congregational forums. They will be made permanent when the rules from the wikis are finalized and approved by a vote. We won't be changing the rules stickies every time something changes in a wiki (which can happen every few minutes), but they will be updated periodically. I'll be looking at the wiki again soon and taking a new snapshot.

[Tangeloper]

She didn't make a mistake Tangeloper...it was requested that there be a snapshot of the wiki at that time to be in a sticki so that people could have easier access to them. At least that was my understanding.

She will update the sticky of the wiki sometime soon. This is what she told me in a pm:


Thanks for correcting me then. I guess I was mistaken, as to why there was a discrepancy in the rules vs. the polls going on at that time (i.e. we hadn't decided on when to close open membership, but yet our rules stated that we had to have 5 members approve new ones). I'll shut up now! LOL :blush: :sorry: