Holy day of obligation

[Loki]

Tomorrow's a Holy day of obligation.... are YOU going to mass?

:)

[JasonV]

My church calendar says that it's the "Assumption of Our Lady".

It's obligatory?

[Protinus]

Yes, it is an obligation day for Roman Catholics. My hospital's chapel has a mass which I attend.

[Lel]

I perpetually forget these things.

I guess I could go to Mass. It'd probably be like the first time this year at the rate I'm going. :|

[Loki]

I perpetually forget these things.

I guess I could go to Mass. It'd probably be like the first time this year at the rate I'm going. :|

Eh, gotta break your streak at some point; tomorrow's as good a day as any.

I cheated and went tonight. I'm all about the vigil masses. Heard the Sanctus in Latin for the first time ever. Very pretty. Too bad I didn't know the tune. I know the tune for Agnes Dei, though (which also made an appearance tonight), which appears in Latin these days more often than Sanctus.

Am I gonna get my Liberal card revoked for liking the Latin Gregorian chants?

[Protinus]

Eh, gotta break your streak at some point; tomorrow's as good a day as any.

I cheated and went tonight. I'm all about the vigil masses. Heard the Sanctus in Latin for the first time ever. Very pretty. Too bad I didn't know the tune. I know the tune for Agnes Dei, though (which also made an appearance tonight), which appears in Latin these days more often than Sanctus.

Am I gonna get my Liberal card revoked for liking the Latin Gregorian chants?

I am happy that you or others love TLM and Gregorian chants. However, I believe TLM separates us from the true experience of the Eucharist which need s to be spoken in local vernacular, imho.

[Loki]

I've actually never been to a tridentine mass. The priest just decided to insert some Latin into the mass tonight.

It can separate people, or it can create a meditative atmosphere. Depends on the person.

[JasonV]

I am happy that you or others love TLM and Gregorian chants. However, I believe TLM separates us from the true experience of the Eucharist which need s to be spoken in local vernacular, imho.

My church does everything in the vernacular, and always has done it that way.

Yet I appreciate Chant tremendously, as I see it as a more spiritual way to convey words. When doing the Hours, I always chant them, but of course in English.

[Loki]

Both the priests who regularly say mass at my parish use chant to varying degrees in the typical sanctus/benedictus part, albeit in English. So pretty.

Occasionally we get a "Kyrie" chant, too. Although for that one, I think I prefer the Confiteor in its stead. Especially if you can find an old-School Catholic who will list all the saints in it :)

[Protinus]

My church does everything in the vernacular, and always has done it that way.

Yet I appreciate Chant tremendously, as I see it as a more spiritual way to convey words. When doing the Hours, I always chant them, but of course in English.

I have a whole chant cd/mp3 collection. But that is for my personal use and reverance. If a church decides to vote collectively for a change in the service than so be it. But anything that separates us from the Eucharist is not good...and that would be Latin. While beautful ( would even say that I love Latin!! look at my name!!), it separates us from the immediacy of the union in Christ...just my opinion...please do go off on this!! (of course I don't mean Loki and Jason).

[Loki]

I have a whole chant cd/mp3 collection. But that is for my personal use and reverance. If a church decides to vote collectively for a change in the service than so be it. But anything that separates us from the Eucharist is not good...and that would be Latin. While beautful ( would even say that I love Latin!! look at my name!!), it separates us from the immediacy of the union in Christ...just my opinion...please do go off on this!! (of course I don't mean Loki and Jason).

. . . ?

[Protinus]

. . . ?

What don't you understand?:confused:

[Loki]

The go off comment and then "of course i don't mean Loki/Jason"

[JasonV]

I understand and respect your opinion bro. I see where you are coming from, and that's cool by me. :)

[Protinus]

The go off comment and then "of course i don't mean Loki/Jason"

I have a cache of those that would descend on my "slips" and falls...however ill perceived...however ill conceived that they would be emboldened to make remarks. I'm not paranoid...I'll share the pms that I've received over the past four years as a blog of curiosity and vitriol.

[Loki]

Your opinions and thoughts must have some validity if there are so many so eager to trounce you.

Also, I recently learned that vitriol is another word for H2SO4.

[Protinus]

Your opinions and thoughts must have some validity if there are so many so eager to trounce you.

Also, I recently learned that vitriol is another word for H2SO4.


sulfuric acid, what about HF? My opinions have no validity or resonance...they just counter some intractable stance or conviction. I seek validity in my own views and thoughts...I don't want others telling me that I'm flawed, my thoughts are flawed, my whole being is flawed. I seek others who are seeking. It is ironic that I am Catholic and so unwilling to impress on others the "right way" to think or believe.


Maybe there is really no irony and that is the reason that I'm here. I think Catholicism is the most ecumenical and loving faith there is...that is why I'm here...and no one told me that.

[Protinus]

I fear that I've derailed this thread with my own self-important statements.

I view tomorrow as "Mary's birthday". We can debate whether our Lady went straight to heaven, was entombed and was physically resurrected after three days...whatever. She was our Lord's mother and I believe that she was assumed into heaven directly, but that is my opinion.

"behold your mother....behold your son" seals it for me. Our Lord had a most remarkably giving and sacrificing mother...that we would see His face in others, that we would strengthen ourselves with her example in our lives. This is what I hope to contemplate tomorrow.

[JasonV]

The Collect from the LCCI Liturgy for tomorrow:

"O LORD Christ, who for her wondrous humility and purity hast exalted the holy Lady Mary among the hosts of heaven; grant that we, Thy people, may so follow her most noble example, that we may at the latter end be found worthy to serve Thee even as do Thy holy Angels; Thou who livest and reignest in glory for evermore. Amen."

[Protinus]

The Collect from the LCCI Liturgy for tomorrow:

"O LORD Christ, who for her wondrous humility and purity hast exalted the holy Lady Mary among the hosts of heaven; grant that we, Thy people, may so follow her most noble example, that we may at the latter end be found worthy to serve Thee even as do Thy holy Angels; Thou who livest and reignest in glory for evermore. Amen."

thank you Jason!!:crossrc:

[JasonV]

:liturgy:

[Loki]

"Hear & obey god's word," a human to whom we petition and whom we admire, etc.

[Loki]

Or I could take a page from OBOB:

Hail, holy queen
Mother of mercy
Our life, our sweetness, our hope
To thee we do cry,
poor banish'd children of Eve
To thee we do send up our sighs
Mourning and weeping in this vale of tears
Turn then, most gracious advocate
Thine eyes of mercy upon us
And after this, our exile
Show us unto the fruit of thy womb
O clement, o loving, o sweet mother of hope
Pray for us O mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

[Protinus]

this is something that I'm attached to about the assumption:


We lift up our prayers to be one with the Blessed Mother who today was assumed into heaven:
That the blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, will guide and support all Church leaders with her maternal love.
For blessings on children, especially those who are orphaned or abused.
For the grace to live modestly and chastely.
Eternal Word, you taught your mother Mary to choose the part that was best; let us follow her example and hunger for the food of everlasting life. :crossrc:

[boughtwithaprice]

I fear that I've derailed this thread with my own self-important statements.

I view tomorrow as "Mary's birthday". We can debate whether our Lady went straight to heaven, was entombed and was physically resurrected after three days...whatever. She was our Lord's mother and I believe that she was assumed into heaven directly, but that is my opinion.

"behold your mother....behold your son" seals it for me. Our Lord had a most remarkably giving and sacrificing mother...that we would see His face in others, that we would strengthen ourselves with her example in our lives. This is what I hope to contemplate tomorrow.
Cool, Mary's birthday is my birthday too^_^

and to add another dose of "hmmm", my wife's birthday is Dec 8. As if I needed a sign from heaven that I am supposed to be married to this woman:doh:

but I am a bad Catholic, my job and lack of Mass selection precludes me from attending on the Assumption. I wish my hospital had a chapel Mass:(

[UberLutheran]

Eh, gotta break your streak at some point; tomorrow's as good a day as any.

I cheated and went tonight. I'm all about the vigil masses. Heard the Sanctus in Latin for the first time ever. Very pretty. Too bad I didn't know the tune. I know the tune for Agnes Dei, though (which also made an appearance tonight), which appears in Latin these days more often than Sanctus.

Am I gonna get my Liberal card revoked for liking the Latin Gregorian chants?

FYI, Loki: It's "Agnus Dei", which means "Lamb of God".

Agnes Dei is Doris Dei's sister.

[UberLutheran]

We have the Feast Day of St. Mary the Virgin over in Lutheran-land, too!

At least, my parish celebrates it. I'm not sure if the LC-MS or WELS celebrate that as a feast day.

Actually, the Catholic, Episcopal and Lutheran liturgical calendars and saints' days are remarkably similar, though I think we have fewer holy days of obligation than Catholics do (although we do have them).

We do commemorate Matthew Shepard on December 1, and Martin Luther King on January 15 (MLK is a saint in the Lutheran and Episcopal churches).

[UberLutheran]

Or I could take a page from OBOB:

Hail, holy queen
Mother of mercy
Our life, our sweetness, our hope
To thee we do cry,
poor banish'd children of Eve
To thee we do send up our sighs
Mourning and weeping in this vale of tears
Turn then, most gracious advocate
Thine eyes of mercy upon us
And after this, our exile
Show us unto the fruit of thy womb
O clement, o loving, o sweet mother of hope
Pray for us O mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

Oh, the Salve Regina. I love that antiphon!


Salve, Regina, Mater misericordiae,
vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
Ad te clamamus, exsules filii Hevae,
ad te suspiramus, gementes et flentes
in hac lacrimarum valle.
Eia, ergo, advocata nostra, illos tuos
misericordes oculos ad nos converte;
et Jesum, benedictum fructum ventris tui,
nobis post hoc exilium ostende.
O clemens, O pia, O dulcis Virgo Maria.
Ora pro nobis sancta Dei Genetrix.
Ut digni efficiamur promissionibus Christi.

It brings back such memories. When I was in conservatory, we had to learn the entire Mass in Latin, plus the Ave Maria, the Salve Regina, and the complete services for Advent, Christmas, Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, Easter, Pentecost and All Saints' Day -- in Latin.

There were few things I enjoyed studying as much as Church Latin, and with it the original chant settings of the Mass. The best part was being able to go to a Latin service and participate in the service -- from memory; whereas my Catholic (non-musician) friends couldn't do it and couldn't understand how I could do it!

I still compose in Latin: it's probably favorite non-English language for setting texts to music.

[Loki]

FYI, Loki: It's "Agnus Dei", which means "Lamb of God".

Agnes Dei is Doris Dei's sister.

Eh, typo.

[Caedmon]

Oh boy, I missed another good mass. :doh:

[Rochir]

Ah, that day was only a holiday in parts of Germany heavily settled by Catholics, so Bavaria and soem other southern parts had a free day off work.

Up here in the north where I live, no holiday, although Catholics would be allowed to sta home if they wished it :)

[PaladinGirl]

I did not go as I did not feel a need to go.

[Loki]

I did not go as I did not feel a need to go.

As you've listed yourself as non-denom, you probably had no need to go.

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Especially since it was two months ago.....

[PaladinGirl]

As you've listed yourself as non-denom, you probably had no need to go.
I was a Catholic at the time and have just recently come back to Catholicism as well.

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

Why is that?

[PaladinGirl]

Why is that?
Because I realized that the Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus founded. That's why I came back. Lets keep this thread on topic and not about me though ok? ;)

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

How many times have you realized this?