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[Trish1947]

Agreed. It seems he's a few pages behind the discussion lol. That's easy to do in 3 days!! It's dead in here for a week then BOOM!!! 30 pages of posts. Do you all plan this or what?! ^_^
Well, one thing about this SOF..it's nothing like your voting booth at your local precinct. Punch hole for A,B,C, LOL^_^ .. I believe we have gotten past the hard things..:prayer:

[LeadWorship]

Haha, true, no brads to miscount here. You guys remember that how shibang? I live in Florida... so perhaps I remember out of embarassment lol.

[J4Jesus]

Any more suggestions, versions of these points??

I think I vote for #3 unless I change my mind and there's another one I like better. ^_^


Votes:
1

1 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
2

2 Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
3 J4Jesus

3 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=9&context=verse), John 16:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=16&verse=13&version=9&context=verse)m (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

[Trish1947]

Any more suggestions, versions of these points??

I think I vote for #3 unless I change my mind and there's another one I like better. ^_^


Votes:
1

1 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
2

2 Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
3 J4Jesus

Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=9&context=verse), John 16:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=16&verse=13&version=9&context=verse)m (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)
There's so much agreement on this..the silence is deafening..^_^ Since there is choices listed now, I will vote for #3.

[J4Jesus]

OK
You can always change you mind if someone has a better one . A woman can change her mind you know ;) . I don't know about guys


Votes:
1 Christina M

1 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
2

2 Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
3 J4Jesus, Trish1947

Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=9&context=verse), John 16:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=16&verse=13&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

[J4Jesus]

There's so much agreement on this..the silence is deafening..
Ahhhh yes! :) Isn't it nice? :D :clap:




Well, one thing about this SOF..it's nothing like your voting booth at your local precinct. Punch hole for A,B,C, LOL .. I believe we have gotten past the hard things..
Punch hole???!!! :eek: Not if you mention say 'that word '! ...('chad') :swoon:

[LeadWorship]

Hahaha, was it chad or brad? I can't remember. You say tomato, I say tomahto.

[God_Owned]

Diatheke was voting on something else (Gifts of the Holy Spirit), we think. God_Owned has PM'd him and asked him to come back and clarify.


I have received no respone as yet so I guess you better adjust the vote accordingly, at least until he responds.:wave:

[Christina M]

I voted too early...

I don't come to CF much anymore - so I need to check in this thread more.


Please change my vote to #3:wave:



3 J4Jesus, Trish1947

Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=9&context=verse), John 16:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=16&verse=13&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

[LeadWorship]

#3 for me!

[pdudgeon]

updating:
Votes:

1. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:

2. Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
4--J4Jesus, Trish1947, Christina M, LeadWorship

3.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

[Diatheke]

I vote number 4 on this one also.

Sorry guys I am out of the loop a little, I have a new job and my internet at home has been out.


# 4 God_Owned, pdudgeon, JustM, Christina M

4-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

4-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

[God_Owned]

updating:
Votes:

1. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:

2. Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
4--J4Jesus, Trish1947, Christina M, LeadWorship

3.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

Iwill vote for number 3.:wave:

[J4Jesus]

I think that was a typo having a 4 by my name, there are only 3 choices.updating:
Votes:

1. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:

2. Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
4--J4Jesus, Trish1947, Christina M, LeadWorship

3.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

UPDATED


Votes:
1

1 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
2

2 Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:
3 J4Jesus, Trish1947, Christina M, LeadWorship, God_Owned

3 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=9&context=verse), John 16:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=16&verse=13&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

[God_Owned]

I vote number 4 on this one also.

Sorry guys I am out of the loop a little, I have a new job and my internet at home has been out.


# 4 God_Owned, pdudgeon, JustM, Christina M

4-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

4-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

Thanks Rob.

[Trish1947]

Was there a #4 choice? Or did we forget to enclude it in the choices?... Or are we confusing Diatheke? :confused:

[Christina M]

Was there a #4 choice? Or did we forget to enclude it in the choices?... Or are we confusing Diatheke? :confused:

Trish

Diatheke was voting on the JDS poll... there were 4 options on that one.:wave:

[Trish1947]

Trish

Diatheke was voting on the JDS poll... there were 4 options on that one.:wave:
Oh, I see it now..Thanks Christina.

[pdudgeon]

update:

Votes:

1 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes:

2 Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes: 6--J4Jesus, Trish1947, Christina M, LeadWorship, God_Owned, pdudgeon

3 Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)



(the number after the word "votes" denotes how many votes have been cast by WOF members for that choice.)

[J4Jesus]

update:


(the number after the word "votes" denotes how many votes have been cast by WOF members for that choice.)

OK, that threw me because he haven't been doing that

[J4Jesus]

Votes:

1. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills, steal and destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes: 1 - DavidPresently

2. Every good and perfect gift comes from God and that which is the working of the thief to kill, steal, and destroy, is not the perfect will of God for us, his children. (Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)


Votes: 6 - J4Jesus, Trish1947, Christina M, LeadWorship, God_Owned, pdudgeon

3. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=62&chapter=3&verse=16&version=9&context=verse), John 16:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=16&verse=13&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

[God_Owned]

Next case? :confused:

[J4Jesus]

There's a couple that haven't voted yet and it hasn't been 3-5 days.
I think next was


Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse) , Psalm 35:27, Psalms 103:3,3 John :2, Gal. 3:13, Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse))

[pdudgeon]

There's a couple that haven't voted yet and it hasn't been 3-5 days.
I think next was


Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse) , Psalm 35:27, Psalms 103:3,3 John :2, Gal. 3:13, Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse))


agreed. the voting for "Every good and perfect gift comes from God" will remain open until Friday, and i will update the votes at post # 522 as they come in.
that way we won't get too confused (hopefully!) and can concentrate on the curent WOF specific belief to be worked. When the voting is closed i will post a notice here in the thread with the final tally.

meanwhile we can begin work today (Wed)on Prosperity.

[J4Jesus]

If we want it short, sweet and to the point this is it in a nutshell with references. Anyone want to add to it?


1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

[pdudgeon]

If we want it short, sweet and to the point this is it in a nutshell with references. Anyone want to add to it?


1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

i like it.:D :thumbsup:

[J4Jesus]

;)

[Trish1947]

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

Fine with me too..:wave:

[J4Jesus]

It's quiet as a church mouse on a cold winter day at the Church of the Frozen Chosen. :swoon:

[God_Owned]

If we want it short, sweet and to the point this is it in a nutshell with references. Anyone want to add to it?


1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



I vote for this one.:thumbsup: :wave:

[pdudgeon]

updating:

Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Proverbs 10:22 , Psalm 35:27, Psalms 103:3,3 John :2, Gal. 3:13, Proverbs 28:20)

voting for: pdudgeon, J4Jesus, Trish 1947, God_Owned

voting against:

(voting for this WOF specific belief will close at 12 noon, EDST, Sunday, Sept 1, 2007)

[J4Jesus]

You guys might just change your mind! ;) Since no one else has contributed on this one, I'm going to add Psalm 35:27 to it. :amen: :thumbsup: :clap:


Votes: 3 - pdudgeon, Trish 1947, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 1 - J4Jesus,

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body. The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

[pdudgeon]

nope i looked up your addition and it doesn't fit with what we're working on curently. are you sure you've got the right reference??? it says God is good, but says nothing about prosperity.:scratch:

[J4Jesus]

nope i looked up your addition and it doesn't fit with what we're working on curently. are you sure you've got the right reference??? it says God is good, but says nothing about prosperity.:scratch:
Pdudgeon
Maybe you accidently typed in another reference? :scratch:



Psalm 35:27
Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

[LeadWorship]

Esword Psalms 35:27 says:

(ASV) Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favor my righteous cause: Yea, let them say continually, Jehovah be magnified, Who hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.


(ESV) Let those who delight in my righteousness shout for joy and be glad and say evermore, "Great is the LORD, who delights in the welfare of his servant!"


(GNB) May those who want to see me acquitted shout for joy and say again and again, "How great is the LORD! He is pleased with the success of his servant."

(KJV+) Let them shout for joy,7442 and be glad,8055 that favor2655 my righteous cause:6664 yea, let them say559 continually,8548 Let the LORD3068 be magnified,1431 which hath pleasure2655 in the prosperity7965 of his servant.5650





Also, I'll vote for #2.

[J4Jesus]

Ok there you go! :)
I wanted to put that on there because so many say He doesn't want us to have anything and barely get along . You know, keep the preacher poor and humble! :doh:



Votes: 3 - pdudgeon, Trish 1947, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 2 - J4Jesus, LeadWorship

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

[Trish1947]

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)


I like this being added too.
Please change my vote to #2

[J4Jesus]

:)
UPDATE

Votes: 2 - pdudgeon, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 3 - J4Jesus, LeadWorship, Trish 1947

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

[pdudgeon]

Update:

the poll for "Every Good gift" belief is now closed. choice #3 was selected by 6 votes.

the curent discussion and voting for "Prosperity" will be ending at 12 noon EDST on Sept 1, 2007.

[pdudgeon]

the next WOF specific belief up for discussion will be:

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We WERE sinners but now we are saved by grace (Romans 10:10, 2 Corinthians 5:17, 21)


this is the last of our specified WOF beliefs.

the voting and discussion for this belief will end on Tuesday, Sept 4, 2007 at 2:30 EDST.

comments are welcome.

[J4Jesus]

Update:

the poll for "Every Good gift" belief is now closed. choice #3 was selected by 6 votes.

the curent poll for "Prosperity" will be ending at 12 noon EDST on Sept 1, 2007. Some will be leaving for the holidays today. That's tomorrow and we don't have many votes.
Did you see the verses I was talking about? I highlighted in red on one post. :)

[pdudgeon]

yes i did and thanks. my bible translated it differently, was all.

as for those on vacation, most people will be back probably by late Monday, and are still able to vote on Tuesday, so we should be ok.

[J4Jesus]

We only have 2 votes on one and 3 on the other choice for that last one though. A few only come to vote now and then, maybe, and not discuss.

I didn't have this on my notes when I posted awhile back but what about our authority? :confused: Our belief is quite different on that point as you can well see by debates in the main forum. The truth is---


God has given us all authority over all the power of the enemy, and we can overcome every fiery dart he tries to attack us with. All believers have this authority and power to execise over the enemy by faith. We have the power of God flowing through us to cast out devils, heal the sick, do miracles, do the works of Jesus and greater.



The majority of Spirit filled believers just let the devil run over them thinking whatever will be will be , whatever happens we just have to accept it, etc etc.:doh: Not true!

[pdudgeon]

I didn't have this on my notes when I posted awhile back but what about our authority? :confused: Our belief is quite different on that point as you can well see by debates in the main forum. The truth is---


God has given us all authority over all the power of the enemy, and we can overcome every fiery dart he tries to attack us with. All believers have this authority and power to execise over the enemy by faith. We have the power of God flowing through us to cast out devils, heal the sick, do miracles, do the works of Jesus and greater.

you should find scripture for this and add it to the "New Creatures" belief.

[J4Jesus]

adding references. Anyone want to add to, revise etc?


1. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We WERE sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=1&verse=30&version=9&context=verse), 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=57&chapter=3&verse=9&version=9&context=verse))

[J4Jesus]

you should find scripture for this and add it to the "New Creatures" belief.


Do you mean add this that I just said, plus references? :confused:
or not what I said, but only references for these points?

1God has given us all authority over all the power of the enemy,
2and we can overcome every fiery dart he tries to attack us with.
3All believers have this authority and power to execise over the enemy by faith. We have the power of God flowing through us to cast out devils, heal the sick, do miracles,
4 do the works of Jesus and greater.

Actually that sounds more like what we just did about "every good thing"

[DavidPresently]

:)
UPDATE

Votes: 3 - pdudgeon, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 2 - J4Jesus, LeadWorship, Trish 1947

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

Add me on to #2

[DavidPresently]

adding references. Anyone want to add to, revise etc?


1. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We WERE sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=1&verse=30&version=9&context=verse), 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=57&chapter=3&verse=9&version=9&context=verse))

That is fine with me. And you can quote me also as "DavidPresently says, 'I'll never be anymore righteous before the great Judge than from the first day I accepted the Blood of the Lamb of God and was made a new creation in the Anointed.'"

From sinner to saint,

David

[J4Jesus]

Hi David :)


UPDATE

Votes: 2 - pdudgeon, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 4 - J4Jesus, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, DavidPresently

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)

[J4Jesus]

That is fine with me. And you can quote me also as "DavidPresently says, 'I'll never be anymore righteous before the great Judge than from the first day I accepted the Blood of the Lamb of God and was made a new creation in the Anointed.'"

From sinner to saint,

David

That's right you 're a saint or you ain't ! ;) LOL ^_^
Most born again people think they are sinners :doh:

[DavidPresently]

Just so everyone knows, I'm extra busy right now and don't know when I'll have much "free time." We are relocating our main base, so to speak,This includes both ministry and business. Once the foundations are laid for both in the new place, I'll get back to the normal flow and expect then to be on more.

So, until then, just pm me to let me know anything you'd like my attention on. And for now, I request that J4Jesus pm me when I need to vote on something, with the link to the wiki and post #'s conveniently located like this time so I can get in and do it immediately.

Gotta go - now I'm 2 minutes behind on what I was getting ready to do next in getting ready to leave...

David

[J4Jesus]

I really need prayer for working on the main ones
:( Someone wants to change it after we got some godly rules and well I don't know whether to even mention here what they want to do :eek: And maybe change what we can do with our forum rules :sigh: I just can't see those who are against God and do ungodly things should be our leaders :(

[J4Jesus]

Just so everyone knows, I'm extra busy right now and don't know when I'll have much "free time." We are relocating our main base, so to speak,This includes both ministry and business. Once the foundations are laid for both in the new place, I'll get back to the normal flow and expect then to be on more.

So, until then, just pm me to let me know anything you'd like my attention on. And for now, I request that J4Jesus pm me when I need to vote on something, with the link to the wiki and post #'s conveniently located like this time so I can get in and do it immediately.

Gotta go - now I'm 2 minutes behind on what I was getting ready to do next in getting ready to leave...

David

OK :) I"ll do a repeat.

[God_Owned]

the next WOF specific belief up for discussion will be:


this is the last of our specified WOF beliefs.

the voting and discussion for this belief will end on Tuesday, Sept 4, 2007 at 2:30 EDST.

comments are welcome.

It is OK the way it is for me.:wave:

[J4Jesus]

OK God-Owned :)

Anyone else want to discuss, comment, revise, or add to?


Yes: J4Jesus, DavidPresently, God-Owned

No :

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=1&verse=30&version=9&context=verse), 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=57&chapter=3&verse=9&version=9&context=verse))

[Trish1947]

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=1&verse=30&version=9&context=verse), 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=57&chapter=3&verse=9&version=9&context=verse))

It has my vote.:thumbsup:

[LeadWorship]

It has my vote.:thumbsup:

Ditto.


And howdy David! You and your family and ministry family are in our prayers!

[pdudgeon]

updating:

Yes: J4Jesus, DavidPresently, God-Owned, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, pdudgeon

No :

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9

the voting and discussion for this belief will end on Tuesday, Sept 4, 2007 at 2:30 EDST.

[pdudgeon]

updating:



Votes: 2 - pdudgeon, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 4 - J4Jesus, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, DavidPresently

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)


voting for this WOF specific belief will close at 12 noon, EDST, Sunday, Sept 2, 2007

[J4Jesus]

By the time we get back from church this will be over if its on Sunday, but that is the 2nd.



Votes: 2 - pdudgeon, God_Owned

1. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10, Gal. 3:13, 3 John :2)



Votes: 4 - J4Jesus, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, DavidPresently

2. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=6&chapter=1&verse=8&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 35:27 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=35&verse=27&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 103:3 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=103&verse=3&version=9&context=verse), Psalm 122:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=23&chapter=122&verse=7&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 10:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=10&verse=22&version=9&context=verse), Proverbs 28:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=28&verse=20&version=9&context=verse), John 10:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=10&verse=10&version=9&context=verse), Galatians 3:13 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=55&chapter=3&verse=13&version=9&context=verse), 3 John 1:2 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=71&chapter=1&verse=2&version=9&context=verse))

[pdudgeon]

thanks for catching the date---i made the correction in my post.:blush:

[J4Jesus]

thanks for catching the date---i made the correction in my post.:blush:
Not that is usually matters but alot of times I don't even know the date ^_^. When every day is the same I sometimes think what day is it?:blush: ...especially when I first wake up- LOL! I wouldn't have mentioned it but I did need to know some exact dates this week for some important things ;)

[pdudgeon]

Update: voting and discussion is now closed on 'prosperity is for all believers". Choice #2 has won the vote and will be added to the list of beliefs for final voting.

please remember we have one more belief that we are still voting on:

Yes: J4Jesus, DavidPresently, God-Owned, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, pdudgeon

No :

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9)

the voting and discussion for this belief will end on Tuesday, Sept 4, 2007 at 2:30 EDST.

[J4Jesus]

Another one 100% in agreement! :eek: :amen: :thumbsup: :clap: :swoon:


Yes: J4Jesus, DavidPresently, God-Owned, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, pdudgeon

No :

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. ( Romans 10:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=10&verse=10&version=9&context=verse), 1 Cor 1:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=1&verse=30&version=9&context=verse), 2 Corinthians 5:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=5&verse=17&version=9&context=verse), 2 Corinthians 5:21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=5&verse=21&version=9&context=verse), Phil 3:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=57&chapter=3&verse=9&version=9&context=verse) )

[pdudgeon]

Another one 100% in agreement! :eek: :amen: :thumbsup: :clap: :swoon:


Yes: J4Jesus, DavidPresently, God-Owned, LeadWorship, Trish 1947, pdudgeon

No :

We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. ( Romans 10:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&chapter=10&verse=10&version=9&context=verse), 1 Cor 1:30 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&chapter=1&verse=30&version=9&context=verse), 2 Corinthians 5:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=5&verse=17&version=9&context=verse), 2 Corinthians 5:21 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=54&chapter=5&verse=21&version=9&context=verse), Phil 3:9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=57&chapter=3&verse=9&version=9&context=verse) )

yea, and it took us how long to get to this point????:D
i am glad that we've arrived, however.:amen:

later this afternoon i will be putting all the points up for the final vote as to which ones will be included in the wiki for the snapshot.

[pdudgeon]

after we get the above decided, there are a couple more matters to be delt with this week...

1. working out the qualifications for eligibility to vote on mods.

2. and how to deal with future wiki changes; who may participate, who may snapshot, how often changes may occur.

[LeadWorship]

Woot Woot!

[J4Jesus]

:preach: And now I bring to you The
Thought For The Day:



http://images.meez.com/user15/04/04_10025092342.gif



Psalm 133:1Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!


Ephesians 4:2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

I pray we all remember this as we finish up.

LOL!

[God_Owned]

later this afternoon i will be putting all the points up for the final vote as to which ones will be included in the wiki for the snapshot.

I don't understand why we are voting again for something for which we already voted on as being necessary. I think this is a bad idea.:wave:

[pdudgeon]

I don't understand why we are voting again for something for which we already voted on as being necessary. I think this is a bad idea.:wave:

you were the one who first suggeted that we do it this way:) . but I agree it would be much easier to put them all in as they are since they have been voted upon.

[pdudgeon]

there is one more thing that has come to my attention this week, and that is the fact that, even though it has been snapshotted and put into our forum wiki, we've never voted on the wording of the Preamble of our Rules.:sigh:

this is what it says:
Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon their adherence to these beliefs. Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.


this part: Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon their adherence to these beliefs. is a change from our previous statement where only those displaying the WOF icon could debate and teach in the forum.

since we never voted on this it needs to be discussed and voted upon. comments?

[probinson]

there is one more thing that has come to my attention this week, and that is the fact that, even though it has been snapshotted and put into our forum wiki, we've never voted on the wording of the Preamble of our Rules.:sigh:

this is what it says:


this part: is a change from our previous statement where only those displaying the WOF icon could debate and teach in the forum.

since we never voted on this it needs to be discussed and voted upon. comments?
When the wiki was originally formulated, it was unclear whether carrying a specific icon could or could be the determining factor to not allow someone to debate in the Word of Faith forum.

Not only that, but if the requirement is the Word of Faith icon, then the statement of faith becomes moot and irrelevant. While we never discussed this in the wiki discussion threads, there was some discussion about it in the Word of Faith forum, and because members were given the power to change their faith icon on a whim, it was decided that it was more important to have an adherence to the beliefs stated in our statement of faith than it was to have the correct icon.

Just some background info on how the preamble to the rules was modified. It's been that way since day one of the creation of the wiki, but if we want to discuss changing it, we can do so.

[God_Owned]

you were the one who first suggeted that we do it this way:) . but I agree it would be much easier to put them all in as they are since they have been voted upon.

You may be right, but I honestly don't remember doing it. ...57 and counting. I still think it is a bad idea, even if it was mine. ^_^

[God_Owned]

When the wiki was originally formulated, it was unclear whether carrying a specific icon could or could be the determining factor to not allow someone to debate in the Word of Faith forum.

I think it should be a requirement. If it is unclear, then maybe we should consider testing the envelope.:idea:

Not only that, but if the requirement is the Word of Faith icon, then the statement of faith becomes moot and irrelevant. While we never discussed this in the wiki discussion threads, there was some discussion about it in the Word of Faith forum, and because members were given the power to change their faith icon on a whim, it was decided that it was more important to have an adherence to the beliefs stated in our statement of faith than it was to have the correct icon.

Why does displaying the WOF icon make the SoF and rules irrelevant? :confused:

I think that a person needs to have had the WOF icon displayed to debate.:idea:

I also think that a person must have had the WOF icon for at least six months, without ever having changed it to anything else, in order to vote for Mods. :idea:

Also, only WOF Mods should be able to nominate someone to be a WOF MOD and the person nominated must have been WOF, and displaying the WOF icon, for at least six months.:idea:

Also, a list of qualified voters needs to be maintained.:idea:

Also, a Mod can be voted out by a simple majority vote of qualified WOF Forum voters; eligible voters can be petitioned as a group by PM when a vote is called for. :idea: :wave:

[pdudgeon]

When the wiki was originally formulated, it was unclear whether carrying a specific icon could or could be the determining factor to not allow someone to debate in the Word of Faith forum.

Not only that, but if the requirement is the Word of Faith icon, then the statement of faith becomes moot and irrelevant. While we never discussed this in the wiki discussion threads, there was some discussion about it in the Word of Faith forum, and because members were given the power to change their faith icon on a whim, it was decided that it was more important to have an adherence to the beliefs stated in our statement of faith than it was to have the correct icon.



I think it should be a requirement. If it is unclear, then maybe we should consider testing the envelope.

the envelope has been tested, and has failed.

[God_Owned]

the envelope has been tested, and has failed.

Can you be more specific please? :wave:

[pdudgeon]

Can you be more specific please? :wave:

I think we as staff need more input from the members concerning this section of the wiki.

[God_Owned]

i'd like to but at the moment i am between a rock and a hard place. i know that this situation is a definite change in direction from what we've had in place before as to who could participate and how they could participate in the WOF forum.

as such, I think we as staff need more input from the members concerning this section of the wiki.


Why not just test what we want to do by putting it forward and see if it flys.:confused:

[probinson]

The first discussions we had on this topic (icon vs. no icon) was that because any poster can change their faith icon at any time, the general feeling was that the icon no longer carried the weight it did pre 7/7/07. These discussions took place in the Word of Faith forum, since the wiki did not yet exist at that point.

That is why the verbiage was changed at the inception of the wiki. The wiki was created on 7/12/07, and as a review of the history will show, the preamble has not been changed in any way since it was created.

Here is a link to the first revision of the wiki;
http://foru.ms/nuwiki.php?do=history.viewrevision&t=5672300&revisionid=1216

If we now want to discuss including the Word of Faith icon as a requirement, that is not a problem. What we need someone to do is to word the preamble appropriately, so that it incorporates the faith icon requirement without nullifying the adherence to the statement of faith. Then, we can vote on adding it to the wiki just like any other point.

[J4Jesus]

I don't understand why we are voting again for something for which we already voted on as being necessary. I think this is a bad idea.:wave:
I agree with you. We already voted on them.



I think it should be a requirement. If it is unclear, then maybe we should consider testing the envelope.



Why does displaying the WOF icon make the SoF and rules irrelevant? :confused:

I think that a person needs to have had the WOF icon displayed to debate.

I also think that a person must have had the WOF icon for at least six months, without ever having changed it to anything else, in order to vote for Mods.

Also, only WOF Mods should be able to nominate someone to be a WOF MOD and the person nominated must have been WOF, and displaying the WOF icon, for at least six months.

Also, a list of qualified voters needs to be maintained.

Also, a Mod can be voted out by a simple majority vote of qualified WOF Forum voters; eligible voters can be petitioned as a group by PM when a vote is called for.
WOW those are pretty good God_Owned :thumbsup: Now don't get the big head. I'd have to think about them a little bit and I dont know about the last one yet ;) :scratch:

[J4Jesus]

The first discussions we had on this topic (icon vs. no icon) was that because any poster can change their faith icon at any time, the general feeling was that the icon no longer carried the weight it did pre 7/7/07. These discussions took place in the Word of Faith forum, since the wiki did not yet exist at that point.

That is why the verbiage was changed at the inception of the wiki. The wiki was created on 7/12/07, and as a review of the history will show, the preamble has not been changed in any way since it was created.

Here is a link to the first revision of the wiki;
http://foru.ms/nuwiki.php?do=history.viewrevision&t=5672300&revisionid=1216

If we now want to discuss including the Word of Faith icon as a requirement, that is not a problem. What we need someone to do is to word the preamble appropriately, so that it incorporates the faith icon requirement without nullifying the adherence to the statement of faith. Then, we can vote on adding it to the wiki just like any other point.
Except for all the new members or socks lately^_^ we know who has been Word of Faith for quite some time and does not change it back and forth. Those I would discount who change it often.

I think those who are to be a part and to vote etc should be those who adhere to these belifes AND use the icon. Sometimes I do hide mine but you all can see it and know me. But if I am debating here or in SF P/C I show it to show I do belong here. Not like some who come in from denomations and debate our beliefs when they are not suppose to do that. I notice many come in WOF now and debate things and give their views which we have never done. And we know some of those probably are not and some have claimed they are not WOF. Its beocming more like the main forum and I really don't like that. Maybe some do though. One thing I would change though if others agreed is they could give AFFIRMATIVE posts. I don't see anything wrong with them saying they agree with us or our post was a blessing or helped them etc. Instead of just saying they can only ask a question and that's it. But of course they could push it I guess and take a mile if we give an inch. Just MHO

[J4Jesus]

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith. (http://www.rhema.org/about/tenets_faith.cfm)

We changed so much of it you might want to change the word "Much" to "Some" ;) ^_^ . But its not that important I guess.

[God_Owned]

The first discussions we had on this topic (icon vs. no icon) was that because any poster can change their faith icon at any time, the general feeling was that the icon no longer carried the weight it did pre 7/7/07. These discussions took place in the Word of Faith forum, since the wiki did not yet exist at that point.

That is why the verbiage was changed at the inception of the wiki. The wiki was created on 7/12/07, and as a review of the history will show, the preamble has not been changed in any way since it was created.

Here is a link to the first revision of the wiki;
http://foru.ms/nuwiki.php?do=history.viewrevision&t=5672300&revisionid=1216

If we now want to discuss including the Word of Faith icon as a requirement, that is not a problem. What we need someone to do is to word the preamble appropriately, so that it incorporates the faith icon requirement without nullifying the adherence to the statement of faith. Then, we can vote on adding it to the wiki just like any other point.

Pete,

How about this.

"Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon two factors; a) their adherence to generally held WOF beliefs; and b) the visible display of the WOF icon. Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1."

[probinson]

Pete,

How about this.

"Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon two factors; a) their adherence to generally held WOF beliefs; and b) the visible display of the WOF icon. Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1."

Sounds good to me.

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Now let's start the vote, unless someone else wants to make a proposal.

All in favor of an icon requirement....

[J4Jesus]

Pete,

How about this.

"Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon two factors; a) their adherence to generally held WOF beliefs; and b) the visible display of the WOF icon. Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1."


Suggestion:
How about a tiny tweek here
"....determine who may and may not debate, based upon two factors; a) their adherence to generally held WOF beliefs; ..."
Change this:
"to generally held WOF beliefs...."

to
"to these generally AND SPECIFICALLY held WOF beliefs,."

meaning these specific ones we mention. I think that is very important because some think what is general beliefs is not what we have stated are the generally WOF beliefs. See what I mean?

And I don't think it should say, not only this first part, but the WHOLE thing they should adhere to, :ALL that we have voted for including the specifics since the first part is basic beliefs not specifically WOF.
They aren't even on here where are they? If they are not on this part everyone will say the believe that and are WOF and we know that's not so.What is on this part is what all pentecostals and most charismatics believe.

[probinson]

Suggestion:
How about a tiny tweek here
"....determine who may and may not debate, based upon two factors; a) their adherence to generally held WOF beliefs; ..."
Change this:
"to generally held WOF beliefs...."

to
"to these generally held WOF beliefs.."

meaning these specific ones we mention. I think that is very important because some think what is general beliefs is not what we have stateed are the generally WOF belies. See what I mean?

And I dont think its only this part but the WHOLE things they should adhere to. ALL that we have voted for including the specifics. since the first part is basic beliefs not specifically WOF.
Yes, way back like a million posts ago, we said we should create a new "Section 2" to contain the "Specific Word of Faith Beliefs", and move the "Definition of fellowship post" to Section 3. Perhaps we should reword the preamble to account for that now...

[J4Jesus]

PETE
See my EDIT
Suggestion:
How about a tiny tweek here
"....determine who may and may not debate, based upon two factors; a) their adherence to generally held WOF beliefs; ..."
Change this:
"to generally held WOF beliefs...."

to
"to these generally AND SPECIFICALLY held WOF beliefs,."

meaning these specific ones we mention. I think that is very important because some think what is general beliefs is not what we have stated are the generally WOF beliefs. See what I mean?

And I don't think it should say, not only this first part, but the WHOLE thing they should adhere to, :ALL that we have voted for including the specifics since the first part is basic beliefs not specifically WOF.
They aren't even on here where are they? If they are not on this part everyone will say the believe that and are WOF and we know that's not so.What is on this part is what all pentecostals and most charismatics believe.

[God_Owned]

Sounds good to me.

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Now let's start the vote, unless someone else wants to make a proposal.

All in favor of an icon requirement....


I vote for it the way I wrote it.:wave:

[God_Owned]

Yes, way back like a million posts ago, we said we should create a new "Section 2" to contain the "Specific Word of Faith Beliefs", and move the "Definition of fellowship post" to Section 3. Perhaps we should reword the preamble to account for that now...

I thought we had sort of defined a fellowship post, but if not it would be a good idea.:wave:

[J4Jesus]

I thought we had sort of defined a fellowship post, but if not it would be a good idea.:wave:

I had a statement a million pages back too about who could specifically post, debate, not debate, and alot more specific we may need for our forum. But first maybe we need to take care of this first statement on here.

I do agree about the icons though

[pdudgeon]

ok. here are the Specific Word of Faith Beliefs that we voted on. They are ready to be snapshotted and included in the wiki.

SPECIFIC WORD OF FAITH BELIEFS
1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-28; Matthew 8:8; Romans 10:8-10, 17; 12:2; Proverbs 18:21, James 4:7)

2-A. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isaiah 53:6, Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46, Rom. 6:23,2Cor. 5:21)

2-B. He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Is. 53:10-11, Ps. 16:10, Matt. 12:38-40, 27:46, Acts 2:27, 31, Eph. 4:8-10, 1 Jn. 4:10 )

3-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

3-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

4.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

5.Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Galatians 3:13, 3 John 1:2)

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9)

[probinson]

Thanks Pam for compiling these :thumbsup:. I bookmarked your post, and I will snapshot it later today or tomorrow.

[God_Owned]

ok. here are the Specific Word of Faith Beliefs that we voted on. They are ready to be snapshotted and included in the wiki.

SPECIFIC WORD OF FAITH BELIEFS
1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-28; Matthew 8:8; Romans 10:8-10, 17; 12:2; Proverbs 18:21, James 4:7)

2-A. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isaiah 53:6, Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46, Rom. 6:23,2Cor. 5:21)

2-B. He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Is. 53:10-11, Ps. 16:10, Matt. 12:38-40, 27:46, Acts 2:27, 31, Eph. 4:8-10, 1 Jn. 4:10 )

3-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

3-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

4.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

5.Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Galatians 3:13, 3 John 1:2)

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9)

Go for it Pam.:wave:

[J4Jesus]

Pete or Pdudgeon

Could one of you post these on the STICKY now also for the Mods to use? It really needs to be on there now not later because of problems we've had and is the whole reason we did the specific rules. They go by the 'STICKY' not the 'wiki' ^_^
If we could modify this

"....agreed upon to be "generally held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon their adherence to these beliefs.....

to say this

...agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon their adherence to these beliefs....




ok. here are the Specific Word of Faith Beliefs that we voted on. They are ready to be snapshotted and included in the wiki.

SPECIFIC WORD OF FAITH BELIEFS
1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-28; Matthew 8:8; Romans 10:8-10, 17; 12:2; Proverbs 18:21, James 4:7)

2-A. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isaiah 53:6, Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46, Rom. 6:23,2Cor. 5:21)

2-B. He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Is. 53:10-11, Ps. 16:10, Matt. 12:38-40, 27:46, Acts 2:27, 31, Eph. 4:8-10, 1 Jn. 4:10 )

3-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

3-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

4.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

5.Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Galatians 3:13, 3 John 1:2)

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9)

Thanks Pam for compiling these :thumbsup:. I bookmarked your post, and I will snapshot it later today or tomorrow.

[Trish1947]

ok. here are the Specific Word of Faith Beliefs that we voted on. They are ready to be snapshotted and included in the wiki.

SPECIFIC WORD OF FAITH BELIEFS
1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-28; Matthew 8:8; Romans 10:8-10, 17; 12:2; Proverbs 18:21, James 4:7)

2-A. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isaiah 53:6, Psalm 22:1 Matthew 27:46, Rom. 6:23,2Cor. 5:21)

2-B. He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Is. 53:10-11, Ps. 16:10, Matt. 12:38-40, 27:46, Acts 2:27, 31, Eph. 4:8-10, 1 Jn. 4:10 )

3-A Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. References: Rev. 1:18, Matt. 27:46, Jn. 3:2-8, 1 Pet. 1:23, Is. 53:9, Acts 2:24, Rom. 6:9, Ps. 22

3-B. Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. Matt. 26:28, 2 Cor. 5:21, 1 Pet. 2:9, Rev. 1:5, Jn. 1:29, Rev. 7:14

4.Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God , nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. ( 2 Timothy 3:16, John 16:13, Psalm 145:9, James 1:17, John 10:10, Matthew 7:11)

5.Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Joshua 1:8, Psalm 35:27, Psalm 103:3, Psalm 122:7, Proverbs 10:22, Proverbs 28:20, John 10:10, Galatians 3:13, 3 John 1:2)

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom.10:10, 1 Cor 1:30, 2 Cor 5:17, 2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:9)
I guess I missed this one.. 3B.. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin,"

He never sinned, but wouldn't this be stating alot of Catholic belief that Mary was also sinless, so Jesus wouldn't have the ability to sin? Jesus was all God, and all Man. Didn't he pay for His own sin also at the cross, even though he never sinned, but just by being born of fleshly state of man, would have paid for his own sin also? It's stated in scripture I believe.

Hbr 7:27 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Hbr&c=7&v=27&version=KJV#27)Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Rom 8:3 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Rom&c=8&v=3&version=KJV#3)For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Anyway, I'm not saying change it. We know Jesus committed no sin, but he was born of God and also born of flesh.

[J4Jesus]

I guess I missed this one.." He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin,"

He never sinned, but wouldn't this be stating alot of Catholic belief that Mary was also sinless, so Jesus wouldn't have the ability to sin? Jesus was all God, and all Man. Didn't he pay for His own sin also at the cross, even though he never sinned, but just by being born of fleshly state of man, would have paid for his own sin also? It's stated in scripture I believe.

Hbr 7:27 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Hbr&c=7&v=27&version=KJV#27)Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Rom 8:3 (http://cf.blb.org/search/getBible.cfm?b=Rom&c=8&v=3&version=KJV#3)For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Anyway, I'm not saying change it. We know Jesus committed no sin, but he was born of God and also born of flesh.
"also born of flesh'
is true
I wouldn't mind if it was added if that was an oversight and those who voted for it all agreed. But hopefully what I suggested that is posted on our general rules about 'the scriptures' may help in that case.

"... and do not accept man's opinion, denominational doctrines, or any other document as equal to or above in authority to the scriptures..."

And maybe this part
' John 1:14 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201:14;&version=9;)). The Son is the Word made flesh,'

[God_Owned]

Pete or Pdudgeon

Could one of you post these on the STICKY now also for the Mods to use? It really needs to be on there now not later because of problems we've had and is the whole reason we did the specific rules. They go by the 'STICKY' not the 'wiki' ^_^
If we could modify this

"....agreed upon to be "generally held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon their adherence to these beliefs.....

to say this

...agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs". Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate, based upon their adherence to these beliefs....

How does this address the WOF icon issue?:confused:

[pdudgeon]

J4Jesus, pete will get it up there. wikis are changed by snapshotting them, and not just by pasting.

i agree, however, that we do need to include holding the visable WOF icon as part of being able to debate and teach in the forum.

Trish, this part: He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin is proved out in Jesus being the spotless lamb and the perfect sacrifice for our sins..1Peter 1:19. (that reference is not on our list, but it is in the bible.)

[pdudgeon]

ok, how about wording the preamble this way?:

Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".
Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their holding a visable WOF icon.
Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.

[J4Jesus]

Pdudgeon
What I meant was after he snapshots it that it be on the STICKY, since they told us it must to be posted as a sticky on our forum for the mods, and that the wiki is not what they go by.


God_Owned,
when I said I agree with you about the icon, I was not refering to that in this post. :) This hadn't even been written yet.

But anyway Pdudgeon has added the part about the icon in her suggestion ;)

[J4Jesus]

ok, how about wording the preamble this way?:

Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".
Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their holding a visable WOF icon.
Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.


Sounds good to me :thumbsup:

[J4Jesus]

Pdudgeon
I do have a questions about the part of "holding a visible WOF icon"
Could that be further clarified so they won't just think they can have any icon but when they post here change it to WOF? I think you know what I mean. ;) ^_^

[pdudgeon]

Pdudgeon
I do have a questions about the part of "holding a visible WOF icon"
Could that be further clarified so they won't just think they can have any icon but when they post here change it to WOF? I think you know what I mean. ;) ^_^

yes, i do know what you mean.:thumbsup: the only thing i can think of would be to add in the following:Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their determination to only hold a visable WOF icon and no other.


by the way, whenever a person changes their icon it is changed in ALL their posts.

and for those who are wondering i should also add that people who hold another faith icon will still be able to post in friendship or to ask a question in our forum. that has always been the case and it won't change.

[God_Owned]

ok, how about wording the preamble this way?:

Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".
Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their holding a visable WOF icon.
Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.

I like it. My vote is yes.:wave:

[J4Jesus]

Quote:
Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their determination to only hold a visable WOF icon and no other.


YES!! :thumbsup: :clap:
And that would be good for those eligible to vote also

[J4Jesus]

Votes:

YES: pdudgeon, J4Jesus, God_Owned

NO:


Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".

Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their determination to only hold a visable WOF icon and no other.

Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.

[Trish1947]

Has my vote too.

[J4Jesus]

Votes:

YES: pdudgeon, J4Jesus, God_Owned, Trish1947

NO:


Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".

Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their determination to only hold a visable WOF icon and no other.

Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.

[pdudgeon]

ok, i pasted the WOF specific beliefs into the sticky of the forum so at least they are in the forum.
Pete can take care of the clean up and putting them into the wiki and snapshotting them whenever he gets the time.

the vote on the preamble will end on Tuesday, Sept 11, at 7:30 pm EDST.

[pdudgeon]

meanwhile we still need to formulate and discuss rules for determining eligability to vote in the WOF elections.
here are some ideas, but i would still like input and comments...

1. Hold and display a WOF icon
2. be a member of foru.ms for 6 months prior to the date of the election
3. have 1,000 posts
4. have posted on foru.ms after 07/07/2007
5. adhere to the general and specific WOF beliefs as stated in the wiki sticky.

[J4Jesus]

meanwhile we still need to formulate and discuss rules for determining eligability to vote in the WOF elections.
here are some ideas, but i would still like input and comments...

1. Hold and display a WOF icon
2. be a member of foru.ms for 6 months prior to the date of the election
3. have 1,000 posts
4. have posted on foru.ms after 07/07/2007
5. adhere to the general and specific WOF beliefs as stated in the wiki sticky.

Are you talking about elections for Mods at the end of the year?

You're saying they only have to have posted on the site since 7-7-7 not WOF forum, right? Could you explain the purpose for this part? Thanks

[DavidPresently]

Votes:

YES: pdudgeon, J4Jesus, God_Owned, Trish1947

NO:


Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".

Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their determination to only hold a visable WOF icon and no other.

Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.

Looks good to me.

[pdudgeon]

Are you talking about elections for Mods at the end of the year?

yes, that's right. i should add that these rules of qualification would only apply to the election of mods and not to anything dealing with the wiki itself. there are already foru.ms rules that cover who can post or vote in a wiki.

You're saying they only have to have posted on the site since 7-7-7 not WOF forum, right? Could you explain the purpose for this part? Thanks

the reasoning behind that is so that we know that they are familiar with the changes here at foru.ms.
there are many WOF members, but not many more than 40 who meet the above qualifications.
of those 40+ we are talking about maybe 2-3 people who haven't posted since 07/07/2007 , and they still have thru the end of December.

one of the main reasons that the other factors are suggested is because those were used as a baseline for mod applications in the past. That's not to say that they still have to be used, but when combined together they show familiarity with the site and it's rules, ability to interact with others in the forums, and committment to be here, and a general interest in the place. :)

[pdudgeon]

updated:
Preamble for WOF wiki

Votes:

YES: pdudgeon, J4Jesus, God_Owned, Trish1947, DavidPresently

NO:


Word of Faith Forum Rules

Welcome to the Word of Faith forum! This wiki entry will contain what the forum membership has agreed upon to be "generally and specifically held Word of Faith beliefs".

Section 1 will be used as the baseline for the member-elected staff to determine who may and may not debate and teach, based upon their adherence to these beliefs, and their determination to only hold a visable WOF icon and no other.

Section 2 will explain what types of posts are acceptable in the Word of Faith forum from posters that do not hold to the beliefs in Section 1, or hold a different faith icon.
Section 3 will list the qualifications for eligability to vote for WOF mods.

Much of the content of this wiki has been adapted from Rhema Bible Church's Tenets of Faith.

All Biblical references link to the King James Version of the Bible, provided by biblegateway.com

Additionally, all of Christian Forum's general rules also apply.

the vote on the preamble will end on Tuesday, Sept 11, at 7:30 pm EDST.

[God_Owned]

1. To debate, vote for Mods, or to be nominated to be a Mod, a person must have 1,000 posts and have displayed the WOF icon contiguously for six months after 07/07/2007 and adhere to the general and specific WOF beliefs as stated in the wiki sticky.

2. A list of qualified voters needs to be maintained and made available to WOF Forum members by WOF Forum Mods.

3. Any Mod can be voted out by a simple majority vote of qualified WOF Forum voters; eligible voters can be petitioned as a group by PM when a vote is called for. :wave:

[probinson]

The following procedures are already in place. We can not contradict these protocols, but we can add to them (i.e. requiring the Word of Faith icon for our moderators, maintaining a list of registered voters) if we desire;

Election Protocol (http://foru.ms/t5672130-wiki-election-protocol.html)

Recall of Moderators (http://foru.ms/t5679901-wiki-recall-of-moderators.html)

However, you should note that these are also wikis, just like this one. So you can join the discussion in each of those threads to affect change, if there is something in those protocols you believe should be different.

[J4Jesus]

I read the first one and I don't think its strict enough. Just about anyone could be elected and I dont think thats a real good thing.

[probinson]

I read the first one and I don't think its strict enough. Just about anyone could be elected and I dont think thats a real good thing.
I'd have to disagree.

In a nutshell, the Election Protocol says that you must have at least 350 posts, have been a member for 6-months, and have at least one current staff member support your application, or 20 regular members. Then a poll must run for 10 days, and that you must be voted in with at least a 70% approval.

I'd say those requirements are NOT conducive to allowing just anyone to be elected, IMO.

But remember, each forum can add to those criteria. They just may not change the established criteria. So requiring the Word of Faith icon for our moderators would be acceptable, since that does not contradict the protocol, but we could not require 500 posts to run for election, since that is in direct contradiction to the 350 post requirement in the protocol.

[J4Jesus]

I'd have to disagree.

In a nutshell, the Election Protocol says that you must have at least 350 posts, have been a member for 6-months, and have at least one current staff member support your application, or 20 regular members. Then a poll must run for 10 days, and that you must be voted in with at least a 70% approval.

I'd say those requirements are NOT conducive to allowing just anyone to be elected, IMO.

But remember, each forum can add to those criteria. They just may not change the established criteria. So requiring the Word of Faith icon for our moderators would be acceptable, since that does not contradict the protocol, but we could not require 500 posts to run for election, since that is in direct contradiction to the 350 post requirement in the protocol.

Its because it said AT LEAST 350 I thought maybe it would be alright to say 500 or 1000 or whatever. AT LEAST would not make that contradictory would it?

I see what you mean I overlook the part about 70% . I thought it was simple majority. But 70% of WHAT? those elegible to vote ? sounds good. Or 70% of those who voted? I don't know about that. I have seen some elected recently that didnt have hardly any votes.

[God_Owned]

1. To debate, vote for Mods, or to be nominated to be a Mod, a person must have 1,000 posts and have displayed the WOF icon contiguously for six months after 07/07/2007 and adhere to the general and specific WOF beliefs as stated in the wiki sticky.

2. Any Mod can be voted out by a simple majority vote of qualified WOF Forum voters. :wave:

[J4Jesus]

It also says 20 UNIQUE members not regular members-who's unique? :scratch:
I am LOL ^_^


God_Owned
There has been a debate lately about not removing Mods. that I was not happy about. So I'd say you'd have to read it each day and see if it changed! :doh: That's what I hate about these wiki's changing all the time. We don't know if we are coming or going.
And 'wiki' sounds wicked :P

[pdudgeon]

I'd have to disagree.

In a nutshell, the Election Protocol says that you must have at least 350 posts, have been a member for 6-months, and have at least one current staff member support your application, or 20 regular members. Then a poll must run for 10 days, and that you must be voted in with at least a 70% approval.

I'd say those requirements are NOT conducive to allowing just anyone to be elected, IMO.

But remember, each forum can add to those criteria. They just may not change the established criteria. So requiring the Word of Faith icon for our moderators would be acceptable, since that does not contradict the protocol, but we could not require 500 posts to run for election, since that is in direct contradiction to the 350 post requirement in the protocol.

welcome back, Pete!:wave:

we were previously discussing the requirements for voting in the WOF forum. Running for mod would be handled under the election wiki, but you're right, we could add the requirement that they hold the WOF icon.

God_Owned, there is no way that we can determine how long a person has held the WOF icon, so that proposal would not work, and the preamble will take care of the question of debate in the forum.

[pdudgeon]

if we take the post count down to 350 posts that would give us a base of 49 WOF voters.
Of those 49, only one member joined after June 31,2007 which would be the cut off date for the 6 month requirement. So that would leave 48 qualified voters at present. Chances are that by the date of the election that number will have increased.

so a revised suggestion for the qualifications to vote in a mod election would be as follows:

1. Hold and display a WOF icon
2. be a member of foru.ms/CF for 6 months prior to the date of the election
3. have 350 posts
4. adhere to the general and specific WOF beliefs as stated in the wiki sticky.

[God_Owned]

welcome back, Pete!:wave:

we were previously discussing the requirements for voting in the WOF forum. Running for mod would be handled under the election wiki, but you're right, we could add the requirement that they hold the WOF icon.

God_Owned, there is no way that we can determine how long a person has held the WOF icon, so that proposal would not work, and the preamble will take care of the question of debate in the forum.

OK, so can we do this one?

Any Mod can be voted out by a simple majority vote of qualified WOF Forum voters. :wave:

[pdudgeon]

removal of staff is already covered in a wiki located here:
http://foru.ms/t5679901-wiki-recall-of-moderators.html

so it's not something that we would have to cover in our wiki. (but i'm glad that you thought to ask)

[J4Jesus]

bump

updated:
Preamble for WOF wiki

Votes:

YES: pdudgeon, J4Jesus, God_Owned, Trish1947, DavidPresently