MJ discussion thread for staff

[Jim47]

If this thread was all a joke then please explain why we have members who didn't take it that way and why Ididn'y see it as a joke.

I would appreciate input from all staff please, I want this to be fair and inpartial.

Thread>>http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=37483589#post37483589

Report>> http://www.christianforums.com/t5882844-the-messianic-forum-contramundum-08-10-2007.html

[Saucy]

I agree with you Jim 47...it was tasteless and and didn't encourage nothing but more trouble. Just because it was meant as a joke doesn't make it okay.

[LilLamb219]

I suppose it COULD have been worded differently to get his point across without offending anyone.

[Jim47]

I don't want to appear judgemental but the whole thing was tasteless and only caused more dissention. We have enough problems without trying to make them.

The thing that really upset me is the naming of certain members and dragging their names through the mud. Whether these things which were said are true or not isn't the issue. Its just not what Christians should do. We are to build one another up nit tear them down and dirty their names.

If everyone agrees I would like to trash the thread, but I would like to see others ideas if that should be done and how.

I'm still waiting to hear from those staff members who participated in this as well.Under the old CF anyone in staff who would have done this would have been taken off staff no questions asked. This is exactly waht Josiah did and it got him into all kinds of trouble.

[ContraMundum]

I think this is fine.

Let me tell you why- none of you people are regarding this thread in the light of the other thread- one which was completely derailed by people and had deteriorated into a match digging up old histories that had NOTHING to do with this thread.

This was a rescue attempt to salvage a slagging match, and it worked perfectly.

It was in the light of that slagging match (which was between a banned member and some religiously Jewish posters) that this tongue-in-cheek thread was initiated. In the end, both threads died their natural deaths. Good.

The overall response was good, well taken and I received no complaints at all about it. Only one poster complained *MUCH later*, and that poster has since retracted the complaint upon further consideration.

Jim: "If this thread was all a joke then please explain why we have members who didn't take it that way and why Ididn'y see it as a joke."

What you fail to recall Jim, is that you cannot possibly please everyone. Someone is always offended at MJ about something. Even I am offended very often- almost daily- at MJ- but I do not call for a thread to be closed because of it. I believe these things work themselves out. I don't believe in thought or discussion control- nor does Erwin, if his reforms are anything to go by. This is not a cult.

What concerns me most of all is that it appears that the moderators no longer work in unison.

We do not consult each other (as we used to) until it's too late, we do not speak to one another, and instead we end up playing into the politics of a few discontented souls who have a penchant and long history of vendettas anyway. Because many of the mods are newcomers to MF it will be hard for them to see that. But, it's par for the course at MJ- they tried it on me, they tried it on others too. They will try it on you, if they haven't already. It's the same people, the same tactic, and it's always been the true source of problems at MJ. This I have observed, and so have a number of ex-mods and ex-members. I was warned about it before I started, and I have lived it.

By the way- if you don't do the bidding of those few people, they will turn on you. Just ask around from some of the previous faces.

I'm really very disturbed by this reporting another mod instead of talking trend. Very much so. I'm happy to tell you that bluntly. If someone had simply asked me to delete the thread I would have gladly have done so. No problem at all. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. It's only a tongue in cheek thread on the internet. This is not the end of the world.

But no one has bothered to even ask.

Instead, another moderator, well after the thread has run its course, hit the report button, for what is apparently a very unclear reason - other than they've lost their sense of humour.

The problem is that some people are so paranoid and scared by alleged "divisions" that they've forgotten how to have fun. Nothing can be said in jest without someone hitting the report button.

What's the most ridiculous thing about this is that the posters involved in the subject of the thread pretty much agreed with it and one even confessed to being guilty. NOT ONE OF THEM COMPLAINED. They have a sense of humour, decorum and a good clean conscience.

Why don't we stop trying to be thought police and let people ease up a bit? The subject of this thread got it, why can't you guys?

Anyway- I've said enough. If you want it gone, just ask for goodness' sake. If you want to start a little vendetta, go ahead. It doesn't bother me- I was raised to weather that.

[Tishri1]

Thanks Jim for starting this discussion thread as i am in violation of CF rules supposedly when ever I work reports now...oh yeh perfect example why Admins need to be able to work reports(insert rant sign:sigh:)I think this is fine.

Let me tell you why- none of you people are regarding this thread in the light of the other thread- one which was completely derailed by people and had deteriorated into a match digging up old histories that had NOTHING to do with this thread.

This was a rescue attempt to salvage a slagging match, and it worked perfectly.

It was in the light of that slagging match (which was between a banned member and some religiously Jewish posters) that this tongue-in-cheek thread was initiated. In the end, both threads died their natural deaths. Good.I do notice now that CF rules are relaxed, that these threads do die natural deaths when mods leave them alone and just look for gross flames and or complaints from members, and I also would rather not side with one group over another even in PMS I would rather ask the PMing member to make a report if they see cause and as a team we will work on it...

....this is becoming a huge problem in itself as I see many Mods start complaining because their PM box is filled with members complaints and they just want to help as much as they can..... but for the members who PM rather than report this could be a cop out in one sence, as it is not using the system and it causes the staff as a whole then to be at unfair advantages with each other and with in the report, since much of the info was recieved in confidence (that may be a separate issue but fits in well with this issue as many of our members PM staff about things when they should be reporting) I say when you get a PM complaining about a poster or a post, ask them to report, so all the cards are on the table and also if the PMs have infor not stated in the report ask the person passing PMs to you if you can include the PM in the report

The overall response was good, well taken and I received no complaints at all about it. Only one poster complained *MUCH later*, and that poster has since retracted the complaint upon further consideration.

Jim: "If this thread was all a joke then please explain why we have members who didn't take it that way and why Ididn'y see it as a joke."

What you fail to recall Jim, is that you cannot possibly please everyone. Someone is always offended at MJ about something. Even I am offended very often- almost daily- at MJ- but I do not call for a thread to be closed because of it.Weeeeeell I dont think mods should be offended at the forums they mod either.... hmmmm that could be a sign of burn out or mis matching in forums....All mods IMO should love what they do OR do it sacrificially because there is a deep desire to help the people in there. If any Mods are feeling irritated or offended please if it lasts more than a week take a LOA and get refreshed ok :thumbsup:That is advice I hope we all take to heart I believe these things work themselves out. I don't believe in thought or discussion control- nor does Erwin, if his reforms are anything to go by. This is not a cult.this kind of accusation doesnt help sorry

What concerns me most of all is that it appears that the moderators no longer work in unison.

We do not consult each other (as we used to) until it's too late, we do not speak to one another, and instead we end up playing into the politics of a few discontented souls who have a penchant and long history of vendettas anyway.this is true hence the reason why when we get PMs please dont try to fix the problem for the member thru PMs but ask the member to report the problem and lets work it out in reports ok...

And since we have no private forums anymore we will have to PM and CC each other IF we need to talk about forum issues area issues, or staff issues as that is our only option but it is one I encourage please do this more ok so our communication stays strong Because many of the mods are newcomers to MF it will be hard for them to see that. But, it's par for the course at MJ- they tried it on me, they tried it on others too. They will try it on you, if they haven't already. It's the same people, the same tactic, and it's always been the true source of problems at MJ. This I have observed, and so have a number of ex-mods and ex-members. I was warned about it before I started, and I have lived it.

By the way- if you don't do the bidding of those few people, they will turn on you. Just ask around from some of the previous faces.again this is mostly played out in PMs and we need to stay out of the game if that is the case....I try to encourage all PMers to report issues and at the same time I encourage them personally as well ,because it is a great time to build unity in the body with out getting to involved in the playing field

I'm really very disturbed by this reporting another mod instead of talking trend. Very much so. I'm happy to tell you that bluntly. If someone had simply asked me to delete the thread I would have gladly have done so. No problem at all. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. It's only a tongue in cheek thread on the internet. This is not the end of the world.

But no one has bothered to even ask.

Instead, another moderator, well after the thread has run its course, hit the report button, for what is apparently a very unclear reason - other than they've lost their sense of humour.You are right we shouldnt report other staff embers but PM them AND CC THE REST OF THE FOUM TEAM)....dont forget the CC part, we use to have our nice little private places where we could iron these issues out but now we have to do it PM style it is very important that we work as a team in this way

The problem is that some people are so paranoid and scared by alleged "divisions" that they've forgotten how to have fun. Nothing can be said in jest without someone hitting the report button.

What's the most ridiculous thing about this is that the posters involved in the subject of the thread pretty much agreed with it and one even confessed to being guilty. NOT ONE OF THEM COMPLAINED. They have a sense of humour, decorum and a good clean conscience.

Why don't we stop trying to be thought police and let people ease up a bit? The subject of this thread got it, why can't you guys?

Anyway- I've said enough. If you want it gone, just ask for goodness' sake. If you want to start a little vendetta, go ahead. It doesn't bother me- I was raised to weather that.I dont think anyone has raised a vendetta here Levi you have some good points and so do they...Personally I see the humor in your thread but I was also waiting for the fireworks as well to begin as I saw the problems with it too right away....I think if it had been posted with in the problem thread early enough it would have been more Kosher and productive as many never read or kept up with the other thread and Saw this as a subject standing alone... and that way it did look a bit odd and suspicious....The intent you gave here was lost in the thread by all who never followed the first one so that needs to be pointed out....also the thread wasnt neutral enough and could have possibly been reworded to leave out names and be just as effective in sending the tongue -in -cheek message

So with out sounding repetitive here let me say we can support our members with out trying to solve their issues thru PM BUT on the contrary, we must begin to use the PM system to discuss staff issues (CCing ALL the other staffers in the forum as well each time we do this), if we want to help build up a strong trust worthy staff here in ET....Member need our support but not when it is to gain our confidence, that makes us less than neutral to the rest ...as good Mods we must remain neutral and Mod in the open reports for our members sakes

[ContraMundum]

Tish- you're right.

But, the reason I didn't raise this in the original thread was because it was closed (without proper consultation, IMHO) before I could. I was compelled to start this thread.

Anyway- the point is: no one talks or supports each other any more.

This is made all the more ridiculous since there are atleast three more threads in MF right now that say far worse things and mention far more names than mine that haven't even been raised. This strikes me as odd and we need to remember that no one likes double standards.

Anyway- people are free to do what they will with my thread. I no longer care to rent space in my brain to ponder it.

As for being offended in MF- it happens to me a lot, but 9 times out of 10 it works itself out- so I live with it in silence and almost always things work out for the better. I love the people there- especially the ones who can't stand me, oddly enough, so I stay and try to help as best I can.

[Saucy]

if one person is offended by it...isn't that enough just cause for you to nicely and respectfully delete it? I've done that a number of times because I sometimes rant and say wrong things. No one is perfect. More than one person is offended by that post so I ask nicely, for the harmony of the board, for you to please remove that post (if you haven't already) and end it right here. No more fighting amongst mods. You claim there is no peace but you bring war with your words and fighting and do not realize it.

[Jim47]

My main pint in reporting was not to report CM< but to report the whole thread for discussion. Frankly I still don't understand it but that doesn't matter. I do apologize if I caused you any ill feelings for reporting you, in my eyes was reporting the thread, not the poster.;

Its all clear as mud now :doh:

[Ivy]

MJ Forum is a good place to exercise a sturdy sense of humor, Jim. ;) I personally thought it was hilarious.:sorry:

Like CM said, none of the people whom it was "about" complained, though I know he would have deleted it if you had PM-ed and asked.

[ContraMundum]

Saucy-

I would have gladly deleted it if I was asked to. No problem. Nobody asked me to! *shrugs*.

[Ivy]

Even I am offended very often- almost daily- at MJ- but I do not call for a thread to be closed because of it.

I have to second this sentiment. If I were to have hit the report button or demanded a delete every time I read something offensive on MJ :eek: .......the mods would have been *swamped with work.

[ContentInHim]

if one person is offended by it...isn't that enough just cause for you to nicely and respectfully delete it? I've done that a number of times because I sometimes rant and say wrong things. No one is perfect. More than one person is offended by that post so I ask nicely, for the harmony of the board, for you to please remove that post (if you haven't already) and end it right here. No more fighting amongst mods. You claim there is no peace but you bring war with your words and fighting and do not realize it.
Reiterating CM and Ivy. Threads cannot be deleted because one lil poster gets his knickers in a twist. MJ is guaranteed to offend Christians, Jews and most of all other MJ! :D We yell, we scream, we leave the forum and eventually we make up sort of! :blush:

btw, thanks for the opportunity to give input here! I appreciate all of you who mod! Even if I give you lots of work to do! :hug: