Where is Satan today

[he4rty]

Ok so I was bored and found a site of biblical quizzes, the title of this thread was one of the questions and this is the answer as posted from that site
P.s it was a true or false type question.

Your answer for question 2, true, is INCORRECT :( Question was: Satan is here on earth today. Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve. (KJV) See also Revelation 12:7-10 from Question One. Satan was able to walk the earth but after the temptation, Jesus Christ sent him to heaven. Revelation 12:7-10 tells us that Satan is in heaven accusing the brethren before God.

(Rev 12:7) And there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels warred,

(Rev 12:8) but did not prevail. Nor was place found for them in Heaven any more.

(Rev 12:9) And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

(Rev 12:10) And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.


Non of this is making any sense at the moment can anyone shed more light onto this.

[geetrue]

This is a question that comes up from time to time. Has satan already been cast out of heaven or is it a reference to what is going to happen.

I have only found two men that agree with my thoughts on Revelations 12:7-12. Derck Prince and Dr Mcgee have both stated in the range of my hearing that they do not believe that satan has been cast out of heaven.

They believe along with myself that satan still acuses us (believers) before God's throne daily.

Revelations 12:7-12
And there was war in Heaven. Michael and his angels warring against the dragon. And the dragon and his angels warred,
but did not prevail. Nor was place found for them in Heaven any more.
And the great dragon was cast out, the old serpent called Devil, and Satan, who deceives the whole world. He was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.

Lets try to study the book of revelations together and find other passenges that refer to things that have already happened. The first three chapters have Jesus writing letters to the first churches telling them that they have to overcome something, but after that very little is a present day testimony.

Not much is known about St John after he wrote the Book of Revelations. We know it was around 90 ad, correct? After that we don't even have a record of St John dying.

What else do we know? What else is in the Book of Revelations that we can say is past tense?

What can we find to agree on is what I'm trying to say.

For example: Has one seal been broken ... I don't think so.

Plus how can 1,977 years be a short amount of time for satan to get his job done. That figure comes from subtracting 30ad from today.

I am in the minority, because I strongly believe that satan is still in the heavenlies accusing us before the throne day and night.

He accused me one time ... I didn't go to heaven nor have I ever been to heaven, but the Lord informed me that satan accused me of not being a Christian.

Satan's given reason to the courts in heaven was because I didn't tithe. I do tithe it's just that the Lord lets me take what I pay for Christian programing off of the top of my tithe.

I won that battle, but let me tell you they are both very real and they tend to treat each other as gentlemen in a court of law. Satan has a script to follow in the Book of Revelations.
Satan is the deciever, but in Revelations 17:17 it states that God will place it on everyones heart to worship the beast, whose names are not written in the book of life. That spells a script to me.

I'm glad the Lord won that round ... Satan won't hestitate to ask the Lord that he can sift you like wheat. Remember when Jesus told St Peter that and Jesus said, "but don't worry I have prayed for you"

I yield what I think about satan still being in heaven, right now to you Lord and I pray my other christian brothers and sisters will do the same.

We can do this, right fellow spirit filled/charismatic soliders of the cross?

Lets research the topic thread and give God our best answer.

All we really have to go on is the Word, our prayer and our heart. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/yes.gif

[Tamara224]

That's a very interesting topic. My answer... I don't know for sure, but I have vague ideas about it.

I guess I tend to think that Satan isn't either on earth or in heaven.

In the book of Job, Satan came before God and said he had been roaming around the earth.

Also, Peter said:

Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. (1 Peter 5:8-9).

This suggests that Satan is still hanging around on earth just like in the days of Job.

Perhaps he goes back and forth like then, too, alternately roaming the earth looking for victims and heading to Heaven to accuse us.

[JAS4Yeshua]

I tend to agree more with Tamara on this subject, although I'm not entirely sure either.

[he4rty]

Geetrue, I'll take you up on that offer of studying revelation, I've tried before but most of it went over my head and even now still not fully understanding all you have explained.

[robbymac]

That's a very interesting topic. My answer... I don't know for sure, but I have vague ideas about it.

I guess I tend to think that Satan isn't either on earth or in heaven.

In the book of Job, Satan came before God and said he had been roaming around the earth.

Also, Peter said:
Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. (1 Peter 5:8-9).
This suggests that Satan is still hanging around on earth just like in the days of Job.

Perhaps he goes back and forth like then, too, alternately roaming the earth looking for victims and heading to Heaven to accuse us.

I agree with Tamara on this one. The idea that Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven was a pretty common Latter Rain (movement that started well but fell into false teaching and was rejected in Canada in the late 40's/early 50's) theme, but I don't think Hearty was suggesting that we embrace the Latter Rain stuff.

[he4rty]

I agree with Tamara on this one. The idea that Satan has not yet been cast out of heaven was a pretty common Latter Rain (movement that started well but fell into false teaching and was rejected in Canada in the late 40's/early 50's) theme, but I don't think Hearty was suggesting that we embrace the Latter Rain stuff.

No I wasn't really suggesting anything, just never heard of this before and was a bit puzzled by it all, and still not really any the wiser.

[bill16652]

Obviously satan has accss to God to be able to accuse the brethern and he is also free to roam the earth as said by scripture to understand the spiritual you must study the spiritual. What else is roaming on earth? Look at the bible and you will see that satan has many helpers in demons (fallen angels) disembodied spirits, etc. Remember that satan copunterfiets what Gpd does, healing ( he piuts disease on you so he can remove it,), prosperity, remember that satan is prince of this world for now. And so on but we as believers have p[ower and authority over him by the Word, even Jesus Himself did not debate or argue with satan but merely said it is written, part of why it is important to study and know the Word.

[johnnine]

That's a very interesting topic. My answer... I don't know for sure, but I have vague ideas about it.

I guess I tend to think that Satan isn't either on earth or in heaven.

In the book of Job, Satan came before God and said he had been roaming around the earth.

Also, Peter said:

Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings. (1 Peter 5:8-9).
This suggests that Satan is still hanging around on earth just like in the days of Job.

Perhaps he goes back and forth like then, too, alternately roaming the earth looking for victims and heading to Heaven to accuse us.


You are correct, but it's not a matter of going back and forth. It's a matter of seeing from one to another. Angels are created beings that exist on greater levels than humans. They are aware of greater levels, and are cognizant of multiple levels that we humans are not. (or at least we are not normally cognizant of them in our day to day state)

When Paul states that he was caught up into the third heaven, that does not mean he went "somewhere". The text in no way implies that, but our thought processes do.

When we can see the first, the second, and the third heavens as "right now", then this get's a little clearer.

[geetrue]

Geetrue, I'll take you up on that offer of studying revelation, I've tried before but most of it went over my head and even now still not fully understanding all you have explained.

We could do this ... perhaps one chapter at a time making a list of what the majority of the posters have to say about the past. present and future of the times the Book of Revelations is talking to.

We could make a list of what we agree on and what we disagree on by editing the title page.

Monday before I go back to work again. I'll start one monday for sure ... it's not a sin to do it at work I work for myself. lol

[he4rty]

We could do this ... perhaps one chapter at a time making a list of what the majority of the posters have to say about the past. present and future of the times the Book of Revelations is talking to.

We could make a list of what we agree on and what we disagree on by editing the title page.

Monday before I go back to work again. I'll start one monday for sure ... it's not a sin to do it at work I work for myself. lol

Sounds good to me, looking forward to a study could be trend of this forum.

[Alpine]

Well, one place he isn't is hell. A common misconception is that he and a host of demons are in hell tormenting souls.

In fact, one day, he will be cast into the lake of fire.His punishment will have come. Until then, according to the bible, we know that he accuses the brethren and roams the earth.

Yet, the earth is the Lords, and the fullness thereof.

[mdaniel]

Where is Satan today?

Hollywood.

[JAS4Yeshua]

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[Zugzwang]

You had better believe that since it's only gonna get worse before the son calls us home that satan is definately here on this planet, getting himself and his army ready for their last hurrah here on earth.

unlike god,the devil can't be everywhere at once. what kind of an army would have their general somewhere else, at their greatest time in human history, accussing us, when he should be down here planning our destruction with his army?

granted, he aint goona win, i'm just saying. even jesus said a kingdom divided against itself can not stand. so why would satan hinder his army by not being with them? seems illogical to me.

[geetrue]

You had better believe that since it's only gonna get worse before the son calls us home that satan is definately here on this planet, getting himself and his army ready for their last hurrah here on earth.


The devil is just one angel, one angel that can cause a lot of fuss and muss, no matter where he parks his butt.

All of those riots where they burn Bush and the American and Israeli flags? That's the devil ...

But all he did is give orders to his henchman to stir up trouble over cartoons about their god or about the Koran
being flushed down a toilet.

He's their general alright, but he can do the ordering from anywhere.

I have found that many believe that Satan's throne room is in China.

[Tamara224]

You are correct, but it's not a matter of going back and forth. It's a matter of seeing from one to another. Angels are created beings that exist on greater levels than humans. They are aware of greater levels, and are cognizant of multiple levels that we humans are not. (or at least we are not normally cognizant of them in our day to day state)

When Paul states that he was caught up into the third heaven, that does not mean he went "somewhere". The text in no way implies that, but our thought processes do.

When we can see the first, the second, and the third heavens as "right now", then this get's a little clearer.

Good point! :thumbsup: I think of this kind of thing in terms of multi-dimensionality. From our four-dimensional perspective, it is easier to understand the earth, heaven, and hell as different "places"... But they are not necessarily different places in the same way that New York and Los Angeles are different places.
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[Simon_Templar]

Whether or not Satan has been cast down from heaven, he is still active on earth, for we are told that he wanders to and fro like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, and that the whole world is under his sway.

[Simon_Templar]

There is a definite 'multi-dimensional' feel to the idea of the heavens scripturally and in jewish lore. However, that doesn't preclude them being more 'physical' than we might think.

I think the modern church has alot of gnostic baggage which draws a sharp distinction between physical and spiritual. This is born out of two things. One is Paul's comments regarding the tension between flesh and spirit the other is the influence of greek, specifically platonic philosophy.

Consider this example. Paul clearly teaches that in our glorified state, we will be like the resurrected Christ. We will be joining him in his glorified state.
Paul also says that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of heaven, but that when we are raised we will have a spiritual body.
Contrast this with Jesus after his resurrection telling Thomas to feel his hands and his side, telling Thomas that he is not a ghost because he has corpereal form. He has flesh and bone.
Yet at the same time he can appear and disappear, he can apparently walk through walls, he can be recognizable, or not recognizable etc.

Consider the incident with Elisha (or was it Elijah.. I always get them mixed up) and his servant. When Elisha asked for his servant's eyes to be opened and he saw all around them a great heavenly army.
This illustrates well the concept of dimensions. The heavenly army was there, and on some level they had visible form, just not in the 3 dimensions that we perceive.

If you look at the book of Enoch, and the account of his journies through the heavens and the earths.. the comparison to dimensions is inescapable. Yet it is also inescapable that the spiritual dimensions are much like the physical, simply on a different plane some how.

One of the interesting things in the section where Paul talks about the physical body versus the spiritual body is that while he does talk specifically about flesh and blood. He contrasts the natural body against the spiritual. BUT, the greek translated natural, is psuchikos, which is the adjective form of "soul". So the "soulish" body. Thus, as we see in Jesus, the contrast is not really between physical and non-physical. It is between soul and spirit. IE what is the ruling principle, the driving force etc.

[geetrue]

Whether or not Satan has been cast down from heaven, he is still active on earth, for we are told that he wanders to and fro like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour, and that the whole world is under his sway.


True, but satan is still just one angel. You would have to be in Billy Graham's class of people for an angel that big to pay attention to you.

He's old too ... Jesus said that he was a liar and murderer from the beginning ... the Book of Job says, "No man knows how old God is". If we don't even know how old God is we sure don't know how old the devil is.

What I am trying to get at is that satan has an army and everything attributed to him on a personal level with us is conflict from his large army. Satan just gives orders to his army to carry out many attacks. He has a little reward system called Las Vegas and Atlantic City for his faithful followers, of course he lies to them too. lol

I'm too small for satan to pay attention to, but that army of his won't leave me alone.

Which reminds me there is only 10 more weeks till Halloween ... I don't like the boogie man either.
I'll just go to bed early and pull the covers over my head.

[geetrue]

Consider the incident with Elisha (or was it Elijah.. I always get them mixed up) and his servant. When Elisha asked for his servant's eyes to be opened and he saw all around them a great heavenly army.


Elijah prayed, because the request from Elisha was to great for Elijah to make that decision by himself. God heard Elijah's prayer for Elisha to have twice the anointing and wham Elisha could see into the spirit realm.

I bet that same war is going on today all around us we just can' see it without the faithful prayer of someone like Elijah.

Good post Simon I can't address it all right now, but a very good post.