Fundamentalist Members Poll: Name of our forum

[desmalia]

I recently noticed something that perhaps should be addressed regarding the title of this forum. It currently reads:

http://www.christianforums.com/clear.gifFundamentalist Churches (http://www.christianforums.com/f370-fundamentalist-churches.html)
The forum for fundamentalist & conservative churches of all denominations


It occurs to me that since CF is now open to all religions, people may wander in here who are fundamentalists of other religions. Perhaps we should make the title more clear to avoid that confusion. I propose that it be adjusted to represent Fundamentalist Christians, instead of churches.

Please vote if you feel this needs to be adjusted. Thanks.

Also, should the description remain the same? Please discuss as well if you have ideas/feedback.

[cubanito]

Excellent observation desmalia.

Considering the existance of a "Conservative Christian" one we should definitely drop the "conservative" from the description.

JR

[Hentenza]

How about Fundie Shack?:D

Nah, I voted for option one.:wave:

[cubanito]

Better "Fundiville" (boy do those date us, huh Henteza?)

JR

[No Swansong]

Oh how about "Those Bible Thumpers the TV warned you about"?

[No Swansong]

NO really I like option one better.

[cubanito]

Oh how about "Those Bible Thumpers the TV warned you about"?
Oh yes, DEFINITELY it'd be a pleasure to have u back bro!

JR

[HypnoToad]

Excellent observation desmalia.

Considering the existance of a "Conservative Christian" one we should definitely drop the "conservative" from the description.

JR
Yep, "conservative" should go. Also might want to say "all fundamentalist Christians" instead of "fundamentalists of all denominations".

[desmalia]

Yep, "conservative" should go. Also might want to say "all fundamentalist Christians" instead of "fundamentalists of all denominations".
I don't know... I would like something about being interdenominational. That makes it clear that we're not just one denomination. The word conservative is redundant though.

But yes, Bible thumping should be in there somewhere for sure. That and some reference to nuts, clowns, or wackos. That's a given. People should know what they're in for when they come here.:eek:

[cubanito]

I like the Bible thumpers.

I'm a Presby, member of a famously "reserved" tradition, baby sprinklers all.

But I LIKE my Bible-thumping bretheren of the Southern Baptist and Ind. Fundy Churches. They more than entertain me. they warm my heart.

And they remind me that at the end of the day, nothing I know comes close to the wisdom of "Jesus Loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so."

OK, I'm putting up a poll to drop conservative and to decide on say "all fundamentalist Christians" instead of "fundamentalists of all denominations".

JR

[cubanito]

sorry, meant as new thread

[No Swansong]

The term Fundamentalists of all denominations doesn't explain us well at all. For example a Fundamentalist Catholic would not feel at home here at all as they would discount Sola Scriptura and would adamantly adhere to Papal Infallibility.

How about something like Sola Scriptura Fundamentalists?

[No Swansong]

Of course I enjoy thumping my Bible.

[kobuk]

Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians

Has a nice ring to it don't you think?

[No Swansong]

Should this poll be redone since another option was added after the original poll started?

For example since I am no longer staff I cannot change my vote to the second listed option now although I prefer it to the one I originally voted for.

[HypnoToad]

Should this poll be redone since another option was added after the original poll started?

For example since I am no longer staff I cannot change my vote to the second listed option now although I prefer it to the one I originally voted for.
If options were added after the poll started, it should be redone.

[desmalia]

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[desmalia]

The options have not been changed. But if people missed the second option and would like to redo the poll, I have no problem with that. I voted for option one, but I'd be happy with option one or two.

I think it would also probably be fine if members just mention in the thread that they would like to change their vote. We're not a huge group, so it should be fairly easy to sort out.

[No Swansong]

The options have not been changed. But if people missed the second option and would like to redo the poll, I have no problem with that. I voted for option one, but I'd be happy with option one or two.

I think it would also probably be fine if members just mention in the thread that they would like to change their vote. We're not a huge group, so it should be fairly easy to sort out.
Really? my memory must be going. In any case I would prefer option 2.

[desmalia]

OK, here are the votes so far. Please let me know if anyone else would like to change their vote and I'll update it in this post.

1) New Title: Fundamentalist Christians
cubanito, desmalia, Floatingaxe, Hentenza, IamRedeemed, KristiLee, Shane Roach, Spudgrandma, Vambram, XianJedi

2) New Title: Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians
Albion, AV1611, kobuk, Project 86, Willo, jtbdad

[Iosias]

I went for Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians :)

[cubanito]

How about a compromise:

Fundamentalist Christians - The SS Returns

It would at least accurately represent what most people think of when they hear "Fundamentalist Christians!"

JR

[Albion]

OK, here are the votes so far. Please let me know if anyone else would like to change their vote and I'll update it in this post.

1) New Title: Fundamentalist Christians
Albion, cubanito, desmalia, Floatingaxe, Hentenza, IamRedeemed, KristiLee, Vambram, XianJedi

2) New Title: Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians
AV1611, kobuk, Project 86, Willo, jtbdad,

After reading a lot of posts lately, on various forums, with the weirdest explanations (by non-Fundamentalists) of what we are supposed to be all about, I think now that a little help from us might be a good thing...so I'll change to #2 for that reason.

[No Swansong]

The SS Returns?

I know I have been accused of being a jack booted thug but never in the SS.

LOL

[cubanito]

The SS Returns?

I know I have been accused of being a jack booted thug but never in the SS.

LOL

That's because, as an Old Earth Creationists, and not KJV-ONLY, u and I are only in the SA. So we get the boots, but our shirts are still a compromising brown. rather than the full black od a True SS Fundy. :idea:

Be careful of the "long knifes," the REAL Fundys may yet do way w us...

Seriously, sometime during the conversation leading up to the rules for the Conservative Christian forum, some lady SERIOUSLY posted the suggestion, which was SERIOUSLY considered by several, to differentiate the CC forum from this one by the word "mean." She went on to say that the difference between a CC and a Fundy is that we were just mean about it, and it should be the official policy to exclude Fundys on that basis.

Man, I tell you, you stand straight and True to Scripture and they just plain hate you for it. To get through college, medical school and eventually get an associate professorship I had to HIDE the fact I was Christian. Not deny it, it was never asked, just sort of smile and go along silently with the insanity of what was being said. Fortunately, having grown up in Castro's Cuba and then Franco's Spain, I was well trained in "doublethink," "doubletalk" and the art of the wink A lot of people have been shocked later to hear me say that I was always a Fundy. They still don't know what to think of me. An otherwise intelligent man believing all that Bible nonsense.

JR

[No Swansong]

You have had some life JR.

I imagine that Castro's Cuba must have been harrowing at times.

I have actually had well meaning people tell me that I was a "credit to my ilk" upon finding out that I am a Fundamentalist. I also remember one lady specifically who was impressed that education was so important to me considering that I was a Fundamentalist. Her question was basically (a woman with a Ph.D. in Education) "... didn't my Fundamentalist Church (a false assumption on her part) and friends give me a hard time about pursuing an education?"

[HypnoToad]

We already talked about using "SS" (in some sort of icon), and most people were decidedly against it, due to its use by a certain extremist German political party some years ago.

[cubanito]

We already talked about using "SS" (in some sort of icon), and most people were decidedly against it, due to its use by a certain extremist German political party some years ago.
I forgot, sorry.

JR

[desmalia]

OK, this looks like the final vote.

1) New Title: Fundamentalist Christians
cubanito, desmalia, Floatingaxe, Hentenza, IamRedeemed, KristiLee, Shane Roach, Spudgrandma, Vambram, XianJedi

2) New Title: Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians
Albion, AV1611, kobuk, Project 86, Willo, jtbdad

Now, do we want to discuss this further, or does anyone want to change their vote now? We've got a mix of opinion here that should be resolved and I think we need to get this name change done sooner than later. These polls tend to cause a lot of stalls and confusion.

As for me, I like option 1 and 2, so either works for me. Option 1 seems to have "won" the poll though. Is everyone fine with submitting that for our new name?

[Albion]

OK, this looks like the final vote.

1) New Title: Fundamentalist Christians
cubanito, desmalia, Floatingaxe, Hentenza, IamRedeemed, KristiLee, Shane Roach, Spudgrandma, Vambram, XianJedi

2) New Title: Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians
Albion, AV1611, kobuk, Project 86, Willo, jtbdad

Now, do we want to discuss this further, or does anyone want to change their vote now? We've got a mix of opinion here that should be resolved and I think we need to get this name change done sooner than later. These polls tend to cause a lot of stalls and confusion.

As for me, I like option 1 and 2, so either works for me. Option 1 seems to have "won" the poll though. Is everyone fine with submitting that for our new name?

My POV is that if there's been a fair vote, a decisive result, and it was announced as more than advisory at the start, we should abide by the decision. I voted for #2 only because it adds something clarifying to an otherwise good title, #1. But that doesn't mean there's something wrong with #1.

So I'd say consider it settled.

BTW, since Erwin's surprise (?) decision to override the vote of the membership on keeping the word "Christian" in the site name, I'm glad our forum includes it.

[kobuk]

"Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians" also helps a lot to seperate us from all the "others" who use that word "fundamentalist" or have it associated with them by the whore press on our fascist media faked news and talkshows.They've been trying to stir up resentment for years against the targets of the Pope's next Crusade - fundamentalist muslims.

I'd recommend a re-vote in consideration of this.

What seperates us from the lost world? Sola Scriptura is a very fine place to begin describing what our fundamentalist christian beliefs are all based upon. Not on any violend ideologies. But entirely on Yah's Word.

[Albion]

"Sola Scriptura - Fundamentalist Christians" also helps a lot to seperate us from all the "others" who use that word "fundamentalist" or have it associated with them by the whore press on our fascist media faked news and talkshows.They've been trying to stir up resentment for years against the targets of the Pope's next Crusade - fundamentalist muslims.

I'd recommend a re-vote in consideration of this.

What seperates us from the lost world? Sola Scriptura is a very fine place to begin describing what our fundamentalist christian beliefs are all based upon. Not on any violend ideologies. But entirely on Yah's Word.


That's what I was thinking.

In a world that reads news reports about "Fundamentalist Muslims," "Fundamentalist Mormons," and Fundamentalists who are said to be anyone who is set in his ways or backwards, it seems a good idea to put some clarification on who we are and what we believe. Those two words do it very well.

However, the vote was taken and few others seemed to care, so I will accept the will of the majority.

[desmalia]

Good points, guys. See I really don't care much about the silly "poll process". I'd rather see us work this out as a group and then move forward. I'm hoping we can sort this out in this thread instead of starting a whole new poll.

[No Swansong]

We've always been able to work things out before. I see no reason we can't do so now.

[kobuk]

Whenever we can better the understanding of our name Fundamentalist Christian in the way described above, in such a very confused world, it would be wise to do so. I realize a "vote" was taken, but as desmalia has said in so many words, we should let the matter be dealt with over some more time with some further discussion.

Voters who choose to leave off the words "Sola Scriptura" could be helpful if they added their opinions. I believe most could agree we can improve our name beyond just the words "Fundamentalist Christian". We had a simple vote, but let's not let that process drive us. Are we communicative enough to best serve our cause with a name for ourselves that helps our cause beyond the more plain name?

It would help to reiterate that there really is a major malfunction happening in the brains of very many people today who have been or will be brainwashed into the WORD ASSOCIATION that puts us into the same camp as the radical islamic fundamentalist suicide bomber. The Bible prophecies much more persecution in the future against christianity. Will it be in part because of these word associations?

There is a growing hatred in the world against what these people believe is a problem with all religions and that is that religion causes radicalism. Sola Scriptura binds our actions to The Word. People can judge us by The Word then to determine what our action will be. Will we be suicide bombers? No. The Word makes very clear that Yahshua is seeking lost sinners who will join Him of their own free will. No where is there even a hint of coersion by force, retribution from us for not believing, or empire building by us to establish a theocracy.

We stand on Scripture. Let's let that be the first thing people understand about us.

[HypnoToad]

Yeah, but it's not needed in the title. There's still the Wiki that has all the definitions and requirements. The title itself doesn't need to be super-precise. I seriously doubt many will come here really thinking we're the "let's bomb abortion clinics" congregation.

[kobuk]

Yeah, but it's not needed in the title. There's still the Wiki that has all the definitions and requirements. The title itself doesn't need to be super-precise. I seriously doubt many will come here really thinking we're the "let's bomb abortion clinics" congregation.
As a student of world events i see the very real danger in the name "fundamentalist". We're in the End Times and a rapture will be initiated to spare us of the madness of the total slaughter by one group that hates another that will begin in the years to come.

If you get around enough on the internet you can see the hatred building up specifically against "fundamentalist christians". We are very often falsely being lumped together with the phony televangelists who are scam artists and the phony christian right who are fascists or the dupes of fascists.

I hope i'm not sounding radical. The drive in America today is towards fascism and some of the most duped catalysts of the shift are the dupes who support the current regime and which they also helped to put in power. These are the James Dobson types. Owners and practitioners of large parachurch movements that are nothing more than political power players who make a side dish out of selling a load of "christian materials" in "christian bookstores". Usually always some form of major psychoheresy to boot.

The word "fundamentalist" is a very overloaded word. It does help alot to pre-define what we mean by our use of that term. It provides us an degree of insulation from the plague of word game associations that have or will brainwash the majority of people eventually.

Optimism in the Scriptures is replaced by the word hope. We placed our hope by faitth in Yahshua. The world's majority are going to hell as a decieved and brainwashed mass of the blind leading the blind.

[HypnoToad]

As a student of world events i see the very real danger in the name "fundamentalist". We're in the End Times and a rapture will be initiated to spare us of the madness of the total slaughter by one group that hates another that will begin in the years to come.

If you get around enough on the internet you can see the hatred building up specifically against "fundamentalist christians". We are very often falsely being lumped together with the phony televangelists who are scam artists and the phony christian right who are fascists or the dupes of fascists.

I hope i'm not sounding radical. The drive in America today is towards fascism and some of the most duped catalysts of the shift are the dupes who support the current regime and which they also helped to put in power. These are the James Dobson types. Owners and practitioners of large parachurch movements that are nothing more than political power players who make a side dish out of selling a load of "christian materials" in "christian bookstores". Usually always some form of major psychoheresy to boot.

The word "fundamentalist" is a very overloaded word. It does help alot to pre-define what we mean by our use of that term. It provides us an degree of insulation from the plague of word game associations that have or will brainwash the majority of people eventually.

Optimism in the Scriptures is replaced by the word hope. We placed our hope by faitth in Yahshua. The world's majority are going to hell as a decieved and brainwashed mass of the blind leading the blind.
But simply puting "Sola Scriptura" next to our name isn't going to change their perceptions.

[Albion]

But simply puting "Sola Scriptura" next to our name isn't going to change their perceptions.

No, but having "Christians" after it isn't going to do that either and that's the major change we are making.

Since it is almost impossible to argue that adding "Sola Scriptura" takes anything away, how could we lose? At least it says the #1 thing that distinguishes Fundamentalists from most other Christians.

Plus, I have to disagree that having "it" in the Wiki or rules says it all. On several forums that I frequent, there are many cases of new people checking in and asking to join, saying that the TITLE sounds like them--and never having thought to read the Wiki, etc. They seem, in fact, not to know what it is or where to find it.

[HypnoToad]

No, but having "Christians" after it isn't going to do that either and that's the major change we are making.
But removing that view is NOT the purpose of having "Christian" there. We wanted to add it to make it clear that we aren't the forum for fundamentalists of ANY faith. Particularly important as "Christian" is now gone from the site name.

Since it is almost impossible to argue that adding "Sola Scriptura" takes anything away, how could we lose? At least it says the #1 thing that distinguishes Fundamentalists from most other Christians.
I didn't say we "lose" anything. It's just unnecessary to have it in the title.

Plus, I have to disagree that having "it" in the Wiki or rules says it all. On several forums that I frequent, there are many cases of new people checking in and asking to join, saying that the TITLE sounds like them--and never having thought to read the Wiki, etc. They seem, in fact, not to know what it is or where to find it.
At which point they will be shown where it is and what the requirements are. I seriously don't believe it's going to come up so often that having SS in the title is going to have much of an impact.

[Albion]

But removing that view is NOT the purpose of having "Christian" there. We wanted to add it to make it clear that we aren't the forum for fundamentalists of ANY faith. Particularly important as "Christian" is now gone from the site name.

I know, but I was just saying that if we are going to make this change, we could as well go ahead and make a better one.

If you say we needed to clarify something by adding "Christians," it follows that clarification was called for. To be told that we don't need to add Sola Scriptura since this won't "change their perceptions" at the same time as you're saying that adding "Christians" is being done IN ORDER TO DO EXACTLY THAT doesn't seem to add up.


I didn't say we "lose" anything. It's just unnecessary to have it in the title.

No, I was the one who said we lose something. It's not as if we have an either-or here. The one change is exactly the same as the other except for additional info. If a person voted for either of the two choices, he gets the addition of
"Christians."

And yes, some people will read the Wiki. What of those that don't? This is why I said that we lose nothing by adding Sola Scriptura. If it makes a difference to only 10% of those coming our way, why not? It's far more informative, BTW, than the slogans adopted by many of the other congregational forums.

[HypnoToad]

Do whatever, I really don't care.

[desmalia]

OK, how about this... We request the title be changed to "Fundamentalist Christians" right now, and then we can discuss further whether we want "Sola Scriptura" added to it as well. At least that's a title we'll all be happier with than the current title.

[Hentenza]

The poll is closed and the vote is in.:)

[Albion]

OK, how about this... We request the title be changed to "Fundamentalist Christians" right now, and then we can discuss further whether we want "Sola Scriptura" added to it as well. At least that's a title we'll all be happier with than the current title.

I said awhile ago that if the majority wants the one thing, it is entitled. And I said that it's an improvement over the status quo. But since I also tried explaining a rationale for SS, I just about have an obligation to answer you now, don't I?

Go for it! :thumbsup:

[Vambram]

OK, how about this... We request the title be changed to "Fundamentalist Christians" right now, and then we can discuss further whether we want "Sola Scriptura" added to it as well. At least that's a title we'll all be happier with than the current title.
I support this proposal, desmalia.

[desmalia]

Cool. I've emailed FreeinChrist for advice about how we do this. Will keep you updated.