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rwc109
23rd September 2003, 11:09 PM
God chose the Hebrew people as His , not by their choice , the holy days that Jesus kept were Hebrew because he was Hebrew

[except ,for instance, that he actually corrected the Jewish hierarchy about the biblical date of annual Passover and disliked their hypocrisy (not unlike modern christian church hypocrisy and the changes made from holy days by christianity!)]

Jesus [maybe 'Yeshua' to his friends] was of Israel except for as much of him that came from God, a 'y' chromosome at least as Mary had none]

The early apostles were all of Israel and Jesus said that he had come ONLY for the sake of Israel.

Jesus is the Christ, Israel's Messiah, he never belonged to christianity despite that his message has great significances for Gentiles and in particular those of descended of the House of Israel [NOT Jews] who were scattered among Gentile nations and lost their identity, becoming 'gentiles' [except that God knows them ,as from the beginning He pre-destinated then to their future role as the royal priesthood of the immortal order of Melchizedek]

Very many things in the OT are described not only as specifically holy to our God, but also for all time .... and prophecy refers to the meaning and existence of these holy things even beyond the end of this earth and heavens...

If one has any confidence whatever in the scripture then the fact that the Roman takeover of the name of Christ for their new religion involved CHANGING FROM every single holy thing in the bible must I hope have some significance to you.

Rome and other cultures have substituted their own pagan rituals and holidays for the prophetic holy days and feasts of God ... the new mock paganisms do NOT reflect the prophecy and so do not show the power of God to know and tell what is coming, thus they are as abominable to Him as mock images of Himself [idols] [interestingly you can easily find people worshipping and even praying at statues in many churches ,even at 'the cross']

Judaism inevitably went astray from following the old covenant as even their own prophets acknowledge that God KNEW that all but Jesus would fail to keep it[but He had mercy on some others anyway and 'took' them]

Thus it is somewhat irrelevant that Judaism is different from christianity today, neither follows Christ or CAN !

... following Christ is only possible for those with the spirit of truth and it is ,and is prophesied to be at this time, in very short supply EXCEPT to the few whom God has chosen to be the 144,000 firstfruits of tribal Israel [specifically excluding Dan and Ephraim]

And yet we may note that strangers can quite legitimately join themselves to Israel and further that Gentiles 'may eat the crumbs that fall from the Master's table'

... with everything that we DO have, heart and soul ,spirit and mind, we could pursue the love we know within to the limits of whatever we can and further we can learn what is holy to God that pleases Him as marking obedience for sake of obedience to Him [if we will] and yearn and pray for the spirit of truth and to be able to understand the bible [or indeed anything else we shuld care about, so long as it is within His will and plan to reveal it]
I ask to what order of the bible is the modern mortal priesthood of 'christain' churches, where in the bible is it ordained?

Not the Levitical OT order for these are ALL of tribal Israel [even though modern priests seem to mimic the failed Leitical priesthood in many ways]

Not of the royal priesthood of the order of Melchizedek to which Christ is high priest for all of this order are IMMORTAL, INCORRUPTIBLE.

Thus there simply is no order ordained by God for these mortal and thus sinful men to belong to

SonWorshipper
24th September 2003, 10:57 AM
Hi there :wave: I have read through your post and am wondering what you wanted to discuss? There are many subjects contained in your post so I am not sure which you are wanting to talk about.

sojeru
24th September 2003, 11:25 AM
i think it is more of his personal introduction to the forums.
this must be a statement of his faith.

simchat_torah
24th September 2003, 01:08 PM
rwc109,

could you clarify your position here?

It seems to me like you're rejecting both christianity and judaism.

nu?

SonWorshipper
24th September 2003, 01:10 PM
/me wonders how does one become "gentilized"? :scratch:

Pray4Isrel
24th September 2003, 01:24 PM
RWC109, Will you please emphasize a point here so that the thread can remain open for discussion? :) Thank You.

SonWorshipper
24th September 2003, 01:36 PM
Ok, then welcome RWC, I see by your profile that you are a doctor? I was wondering by your statement of church affiliation if you are Messianic or as you said Hebrew Christianity, if you are a Jewish believer? Comparing that to what you have written about Christianity it makes me wonder. Could you clarify please so that we may have some useful discussions?

Toda!

Shalom!:)

Sabian
24th September 2003, 02:20 PM
* SonWorshipper wonders how does one become "gentilized"?

My understanding of a gentile is anyone that does not Praies YAH.
You are eather YAHUDAH/ YAHUDIM or you are gentile.

rwc109
28th September 2003, 04:20 AM
Ok, then welcome RWC, I see by your profile that you are a doctor? I was wondering by your statement of church affiliation if you are Messianic or as you said Hebrew Christianity, if you are a Jewish believer? Comparing that to what you have written about Christianity it makes me wonder. Could you clarify please so that we may have some useful discussions?

Toda!

Shalom!:)
Yea, sorry for the dlay, many posts to answer.

Quite happy to discuss anything that you want expanding or disagree with in my posts ,just so long as we sticjk to one at a time

I am non-denominational, though i style myself Hebrew Christian to distinguish my Christianity from apostate and paganised Romanised Christianity

The basis of my beliefs is the division of God's purpose in man ibto TWO distinct phases represented in the bible by countless metaphors and significant distinctions

My belief about the scriptural revelation of the menaing of life is contained in my local page

The synbology begins i Genesis with the night PRECEDING the day

This represents the darkness of mankind's exploration of sin that it followed by the light of his rejection of sin and looking toward heaven for release from bondage under sin, finally ministered to by the 144,000 royal priesthood of Israel through Jesus Christ as high priest

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a [b]royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Rev 7:1-8 reveals that Israel are indeed the firstfruits of redemption and that they thenminister in the redemption of countless billions of all nations after their redemption, Rev 7:9-10 (7@9-10)

Thus Redemption/Salvation commences wth the translation [after any becessary resurrection, the first resurrection] of the 144,000 at the return of Christ

Thus we can see that the christian churches of Roman origin have no role to play in redemption whateve which explains to some extent their division [as distinct from being united by the holy spirit]

we thus find that whilst Israel and jesus Chrsist are the means of redemption of everyone eventually, in the meantime , in the darkness of night, the Romanised churches are fulfilling the main role of God in man, the exploration of evil toward it final rejection at or after the return of Christ....

This explains why Israel keep the holy days of God and thus recieve the blessing from them of the hly spirit toward righteousness, wheras the r|omanised churches keep pagan days that have been made to look vaguely christian but which are non-scriptural, non-holy to Gd according to the scripture

thus we have the duality reflected in the distiction between darknoss as the time of Roman Christianity and Light as the fruiton of the hebrew Christianity

The distinction is claerly between Satan being in power climaxing in his being cast down into the eartha sthe man of sin and dying as a mortal man at Christ's return, just as Christ nanifested as the mortal man Jesus and died at the hand of Satan ...

Thus we have equally the sun, the right hand cherub and Behemoth as symbls of Christ and the power o ultimate redemption through Israel, and the moon, left-hand cherub and Leviathan representing Satan with his power in this dark night before Christ's return

One beauty of the scriptural view of gd's plan as prophesied in this way is that it explains why evil exists, why man exists and why mankind has toawit on God for redemption [untl God's purpose in creating mankind and evil is fulfilled toward final glorying of all creation ibn Love that is God.

rwc109
28th September 2003, 05:52 AM
* SonWorshipper wonders how does one become "gentilized"?

My understanding of a gentile is anyone that does not Praies YAH.
You are eather YAHUDAH/ YAHUDIM or you are gentile.
Back in the grim dark days of the OT the nation of Israel got splitinto TWO HOUSES ,each House had its own King and they didn't get on like brothers should at all

Well God didn't take too kindly to their unlovingness and so SCATTERED both Houses at different times into EXILE from their Holy promised land...

But He was much kinder to the House of Judah [also called the Jews] and let them cling on to a vestige of their religion, hence modern apostate Judaism

But there was that lARGER non-Jewish part of the nATION of Israel called the HOUSE of Israel

Not content with scattering them amongst ALL NATIONS, God took their religion from them and gave them up to pagan heathen gentile gods...

Thus these non-Jewish Israelites became Gentiles [to evryone but God], the House of Israel to whom Jesus said that he was sent by God were Gentiles by the time of Jesus.

thus jesus taught the House of Judah directly so that the apostollic church was almost completely JEWISH but then he seny them forth in the 'great commission' to take the gospel that he is the MEASSIAH of Israel to the LOST Gentile sheep of the House of Israel who are Gentiles but also genetically still the remnant of the tribes of Israel and will form the MAJORITY of the 144,000 first redeemed firstfruits [Rve 7:1-10] who MINISTER as ROYAL PRIESTS in the redemption of everyone else

A Gentile is anyone who is not a descendant or ancestor of Israel.

thus the House of Israel are only indistinguishable except by genetic research from being geantiles, they are gentilised Israelites and never were Jews ever... MOST of Israel never were Jews and some of these were gentilisd, the very ones Jesus sent the apostles to seek as lost sheep

see the prophesies about this in e,g Ezekiel cahpter 34

rwc109
28th September 2003, 05:58 AM
rwc109,

could you clarify your position here?

It seems to me like you're rejecting both christianity and judaism.

nu?
Yes absolutely correvt, the bible refutes both Judaism and Romanised paganised Christaianity

The remanats of the house of Israel [gentiles] and House of Judah Jews] need to understand the true Hebrew Christianity of Jesus Christ [or Yeshua Messiah to his friends]