rwc109
23rd September 2003, 10:57 PM
God chose the Heebrew people as His , not by their choice , the holy days that Jesus kept were Hebrew because he was Hebrew [except ,for instance, that he actually corrected the Jewish hierarchy about the biblical date of annual Passover and disliked their hypocrisy (not unlike modern christian church hypocrisy and the changes made from holy days by christianity!)]
Jesus [maybe 'Yeshua' to his friends] was of Israel except for as much of him that came from God]
The early apostles were all of Israel and Jesus said that he had come for the sake of Israel.
Jesus is the Christ, Israel's Messiah, he never belonged to christianity despite that his message has great significances for Gentiles and in particular those of descended of the House of Israel [NOT Jews] who were scattered among Gentile nations and lost their identity [except that God knows them ,as from the beginning He pre-destinated then to their future role as the royal priesthood of the immortal order of Melchizedek]
Very many things in the OT are described not only as specifically holy to our God, but also for all time .... and prophecy refers to the meaning and existence of these holy things even beyond the end of this earth and heavens...
If one has any confidence whatever in the bible then the fact that the Roman takeover of the name of Christ for their new religion involved CHANGING FROM every single holy thing in the bible must I hope have some significance to you.
Rome and other cultures have substituted their own pagan rituals and holidays for the prophetic holy days and feasts of God ... the new mock paganisms do NOT reflect the prophecy and so do not show the power of God to know and tell what is coming, thus they are as abominable to Him as mock images of Himself [idols] [interestingly you can easily find people worshipping and even praying at statues in many churches ,even at 'the cross']
Judaism inevitably went astray from following the old covenant as even their own prophets acknowledge that God KNEW that all but Jesus would
Thus it is somewhat irrelevant that Judaism is different from christianity today, neither follows Christ or CAN , following Christ is only possible for those with the spirit of truth and it is ,and is prophesied to be at this time, in very short supply EXCEPT to the few whom God has chosen to be the 144,000 firstfruits of tribal Israel [specifically excluding Dan and Ephraim]
And yet we may note that strangers can quite legitimately join themselves to Israel and further that Gentiles 'may eat the crumbs that fall from the Master's table'
... with everything that we DO have, heart and soul ,spirit and mind, we could pursue the love we know within to the limits of whatever we can and further we can learn what is holy to God that pleases Him as marking obedience for sake of obedience to Him [if we will] and yearn and pray for the spirit of truth and to be able to understand the bible [or indeed anything else we shuld care about, so long as it is within His will and plan to reveal it]
<A name=POST17197>By [b]rwc109 (javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')) on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 08:04 pm: Edit (http://ww1.explorefaith.org/cgi-bin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=editpost&postid=17197&page=25/1797)I ask to what order of the bible is the modern mortal priesthood of 'christain' churches, where in the bible is it ordained?
Not the Levitical OT order for these are ALL of tribal Israel [even though modern priests seem to mimic the failed Leitical priesthood in many ways]
Not of the royal priesthood of the order of Melchizedek to which Christ is high priest for all of this order are IMMORTAL, INCORRUPTIBLE.
Thus there simply is no order ordained by God for these sinful men to belong to, they are self-ordained clergy and serve another master than Christ, that is the serve the antichrist, Satan, the adversary in God's allowing strong delusion of those who 'receive not the love of truth', they will serve as 'ministers of righteousness' to that 'angel of light' to those many who are 'fitted as vessels for destruction' [death of teh body] BY GOD's will and according to His plan begun already in Jesus to DIVIDE mankind into a very few chosen righteous saintly sheep of the remnant of Israel and very many goats ... but interestingly it is the goats that are tried half as hard and bring greatest glory in their turning back from following Satan as the false christ ,but then there is the matter of all that woe in realising one's unlovingness eventually in the face of the perfect truth about EVERYTHING we did through the holy spirit of the absolute Truth of God [not something anyone much enjoys ,to say the least, even prophets fall down all-but-speechless before God's Truth in awe and fear from not having faced it all]
Jesus [maybe 'Yeshua' to his friends] was of Israel except for as much of him that came from God]
The early apostles were all of Israel and Jesus said that he had come for the sake of Israel.
Jesus is the Christ, Israel's Messiah, he never belonged to christianity despite that his message has great significances for Gentiles and in particular those of descended of the House of Israel [NOT Jews] who were scattered among Gentile nations and lost their identity [except that God knows them ,as from the beginning He pre-destinated then to their future role as the royal priesthood of the immortal order of Melchizedek]
Very many things in the OT are described not only as specifically holy to our God, but also for all time .... and prophecy refers to the meaning and existence of these holy things even beyond the end of this earth and heavens...
If one has any confidence whatever in the bible then the fact that the Roman takeover of the name of Christ for their new religion involved CHANGING FROM every single holy thing in the bible must I hope have some significance to you.
Rome and other cultures have substituted their own pagan rituals and holidays for the prophetic holy days and feasts of God ... the new mock paganisms do NOT reflect the prophecy and so do not show the power of God to know and tell what is coming, thus they are as abominable to Him as mock images of Himself [idols] [interestingly you can easily find people worshipping and even praying at statues in many churches ,even at 'the cross']
Judaism inevitably went astray from following the old covenant as even their own prophets acknowledge that God KNEW that all but Jesus would
Thus it is somewhat irrelevant that Judaism is different from christianity today, neither follows Christ or CAN , following Christ is only possible for those with the spirit of truth and it is ,and is prophesied to be at this time, in very short supply EXCEPT to the few whom God has chosen to be the 144,000 firstfruits of tribal Israel [specifically excluding Dan and Ephraim]
And yet we may note that strangers can quite legitimately join themselves to Israel and further that Gentiles 'may eat the crumbs that fall from the Master's table'
... with everything that we DO have, heart and soul ,spirit and mind, we could pursue the love we know within to the limits of whatever we can and further we can learn what is holy to God that pleases Him as marking obedience for sake of obedience to Him [if we will] and yearn and pray for the spirit of truth and to be able to understand the bible [or indeed anything else we shuld care about, so long as it is within His will and plan to reveal it]
<A name=POST17197>By [b]rwc109 (javascript:alert('The e-mail address and profile information for the individual posting this message is not available.')) on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 - 08:04 pm: Edit (http://ww1.explorefaith.org/cgi-bin/discus/board-profile.cgi?action=editpost&postid=17197&page=25/1797)I ask to what order of the bible is the modern mortal priesthood of 'christain' churches, where in the bible is it ordained?
Not the Levitical OT order for these are ALL of tribal Israel [even though modern priests seem to mimic the failed Leitical priesthood in many ways]
Not of the royal priesthood of the order of Melchizedek to which Christ is high priest for all of this order are IMMORTAL, INCORRUPTIBLE.
Thus there simply is no order ordained by God for these sinful men to belong to, they are self-ordained clergy and serve another master than Christ, that is the serve the antichrist, Satan, the adversary in God's allowing strong delusion of those who 'receive not the love of truth', they will serve as 'ministers of righteousness' to that 'angel of light' to those many who are 'fitted as vessels for destruction' [death of teh body] BY GOD's will and according to His plan begun already in Jesus to DIVIDE mankind into a very few chosen righteous saintly sheep of the remnant of Israel and very many goats ... but interestingly it is the goats that are tried half as hard and bring greatest glory in their turning back from following Satan as the false christ ,but then there is the matter of all that woe in realising one's unlovingness eventually in the face of the perfect truth about EVERYTHING we did through the holy spirit of the absolute Truth of God [not something anyone much enjoys ,to say the least, even prophets fall down all-but-speechless before God's Truth in awe and fear from not having faced it all]