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GnosticSoldier
4th August 2007, 08:30 PM
I call this letter: Why Vincent Bridges is oblivious.

Vincent Bridges seems to think Nostradamus offers prophecy warning of an “antichrist”, and more specifically, he insists this will be the third “antichrist” in history. He also suggests (without backing it up in any way), that this so called “antichrist” will be retarded or stupid, homosexual, a pedophile, a hater of women and various other negative personality traits. He also claims that Nostradamus reinforces warnings of the “antichrist” found in the book of Revelations. He also thinks this “antichrist” will be born of Satan or into worshipping Satan. Bridges also seems to think the first “antichrist” was Napoleon, the second Hitler, and the third not yet named. He claims this is confirmed in other books of the Christian bible.

Here are reasons why these are the theories of either a flat out liar, or a flat out idiot.

1) Nowhere in the book of Revelations is this “antichrist” ever mentioned.
2) Nowhere in the book of Revelations is “Satan” ever mentioned. There is reference to a “dragon” a “beast” a second “beast”, and locusts, but no Satan or antichrist.
3) Nostradamus only makes two references to the antichrist in his prophecies, in one stating “there will be one wrong antichrist”, and “the antichrists will be three yearlings”. The first seems to clearly suggest someone wrongly accused, and the second suggests there are three at the same time. Thus by Nostradamus words, which Vincent Bridges tries to use to back up his claims, there are three “antichrists” all at one time, not at different periods of time.
4) The only real reference to the “antichrists” that I know of is found in the book of Mathew: “even now very many antichrists have gone out”. Firstly it indicates rather clearly the “antichrist” is a general term applied to people opposing the teachings of Christ. Secondly, it alludes to them existing while Christ was alive and teaching; it is clearly not a reference to the future in any way.
5) The reference to the “antichrists” in Matthew, clearly alludes they are people opposed to Christ.
6) The idea of opposing Christ suggests some form of oppression against Christians.
7) Neither Napoleon nor Hitler oppressed Christians. In fact, both were born into Christian homes, and both had political ties to the Vatican.
8) Having as above proved the very notion of there being three historically important antichrists is false, and flat out baseless, I think it fair to say, the rest of his assumptions to that effect are just as stupid.
9) Since the “antichrist” is an arbitrary term to people against Christ while he was alive two thousand years ago, there is nothing to suggest this fictional and non existent character would be retarded, or gay, or a pedophile, or hate women. Again stating, because there is no single antichrist.
10) Logically, the only rational means of interpreting the idea of an “antichrist” as a prophetic suggestion, would clearly allude to suggest the presence of people in a future point in time opposed to Christ.
11) Since Christ died two thousand years ago, the above statement is invalid, since by rational logic (evidently omitted by Bridges) it is physically impossible to be against a man who died two thousand years ago.
12) Additionally, there have been many people who have opposed the Christian churches for various reasons, and have not opposed the words of Jesus: for example, the separation of church and state was action against Christian domination of political affairs, won by none other than Christians worshipping Christ.
13) By Nostradamus owns words he states “I am not a prophet, in my position I want nothing attributed to me of such a title, and you render me praise and thanks eternal…”., thus Nostradamus by his own words has made no such prophecy of any kind.

In conclusion, there is no single “antichrist” as some form of villain archetype, and there is nothing by way of either biblical parable or prophecy to suggest there is. Since the villain archetype portrayed by half literate, unread, unintelligible, fruitcake boobs like Bridges, there is no reason to believe his inane theories of retardation or homosexuality would be accurate. In short, I do believe I’ve just in only one and a half pages disproved the whole of Vincent Bridges writings, at least those pertaining to biblical prophecy.

I should point out, I have a personal issue with Vincent Bridges, who refused to offer me a review of a book I wrote, and instead slandered me and to date still avoids me.

Vincent, if you read this by all means, feel free to email me, it would be nice an alleged “mystic” like yourself were willing to take part in any kind of open debate rather than hiding in the shadows with malicious lies.

Good day.

prophecystudent
4th August 2007, 08:50 PM
Why get so upset over something that is obviously not true, and counter to the what the bible predicts.

The bible is clear that nobody knows all the specifics of the end times, who, when, etc. Christ Himself didn't disclose such information.

Why get upset over something said a couple of hundred years ago by someone who has no credibility as a prophet?

Nostradomas babbled a lot of stuff which can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on what you wish his ramblings to convey.

I take it all with a huge grain of salt and spend my time on more productive stuff like studying bible prophecy,.

Fred

james415
4th August 2007, 09:09 PM
Did it stop you from getting your book published?
Is it published?

GnosticSoldier
5th August 2007, 12:41 PM
Actually, that Bridges guy is a huge part of the reason it isn't published yet. I just wanted to get the opinion of a so called "pundit" on the subject, and he and his acquaintances have since destroyed my entire life.

It's all because my little book discredits everything he and others have claimed, so they've created a scenario where they cause me relentless slander and defamation.

I'm going to publish it anyways, but it sort of goes hand in hand with a few other things i've translated and interpreted, so I think I'll try to publish all three to four of them at once.

I just felt the need to point out how ludicrous his theories are.

james415
5th August 2007, 01:24 PM
I'm going to publish it anyways, but it sort of goes hand in hand with a few other things i've translated and interpreted, so I think I'll try to publish all three to four of them at once.

I just felt the need to point out how ludicrous his theories are.

I am glad to see you will publish anyway. The TRUTH will stand on its own. It needs no one else's support and it does not need to be debated.

Good luck and God bless.

Carey
5th August 2007, 09:52 PM
2 John 1:7 (New International Version)



7Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist

Matthew 24 : 4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=31#fen-NIV-23960a)]' and will deceive many.

2 Thessalonians 2

The Man of Lawlessness

1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20thessalonians%202;&version=31;#fen-NIV-29649a)] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Revelations 9 : 11They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.

Revelations 11: 3And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth." 4These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. 5If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies. This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die


7Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

Revelations 12 : But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."
13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth,

Revelations 13 :The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast. 4Men worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?"

Matthew 24 :15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[b (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024&version=31#fen-NIV-23970b)] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—

Daniel 2 : 40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom,
44 "In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
( NOTICE REV. 11:7 AND REV. 9 ARE DESCRIBING WHERE THE ANTICHRIST COMES FROM IN REV 9 : 11 HE IS AN ANGEL WHO WILL BECOME A KING Revelations 13 says this KING or (antichrist) great power and authority over men and he will be killed by a head wound and but will be healed.
REVELATIONS 11 : 7 CALLS the ANTICHRIST THE BEAST.
REVELATIONS 12 :12 ,13 CALLS THE DEVIL THE DRAGON
2 THESALONIANS CALLS THE ANTI CHRISTthe "MAN OF LAWLESSNESS.
Matthew 24 :15 calls the anti christ the abomination that causes desolation
Daniel 2 calls the antichrist a KING ruling over his Kingdom (the whole earth) when Christ returns.
Matthew 24 Jesus said there will be many antichrists before he returns.

I thought this might help

zeke37
6th August 2007, 02:38 AM
some of us connect "THE" antiChrist, with the man of sin (lawlessness) /the son of Perdition / of 2Thes2, who MUST come first and cause the apostasy...the great falling away....

We are also told in Rev that the same...is also the Old Serpent/ the devil who is known by many names, including Lucifer, and the false prophet, and the fake Jesus / instead of Jesus, lamb that speaks like a dragon, the second beast of Rev13 / tree of the knowledge of Good and evil / king of Babylon/ that evil king/ king of Assyria/ the rider of the first seal / the god of this world/ the prince of the air/ Apollyon/ Abaddon / The deceiver/ the accuser/ and a whole slew of other names, declarations and titles that he has held, is called and will be called,

in His service
c

GnosticSoldier
6th August 2007, 04:15 PM
I'd be inclined to agree. My frustration stems from the general fact that much of the translations I find contradict what Catholics say. I make a point of emphasing, TRANSLATIONS, not my words, but rather those of Catholic monks who seemed to disagree with with cathetism of miedeval and contemporary Catholicism. It seems that even though it is not my words that offend, but rather the actual words of Catholic priests that seems to offend Catholics, I hate to have to say it but i've persecuted to no avail for roughly two years anyways.

Even though my life and future are ruined, I figure I might as well just publish my findings anyways. Perhaps being German blooded I'm just too stubborn to give in, but I also believe that since I've already been slandered, defamed, humliated and ruined, I might as well actually publish, after all, it would seem pointless to have to live through all not without ever actually going public.

I'm into the Gnostic ideals of Chrsitianity, and as such I never take the bible to any literal interpretation, but instead prefer to consider it a means of historical recordation of the evolution of human spirituality, never to be a set law on how we should feel, worship, believe or act, but more as a tool to understand that the same fears, hopes, trials and tribulations we endure today, have as well been consistent throughout time.

So I think for expressing that view by way or interpretation and philosophical offering, I know I've inadvertently offended people, specifically Catholics, even though it was never intentional. I actually now regret giving a copy to the local head of the Catholic church asking for his opinion. Since, his opinion seems to be complete alienation and ruin of my character.

But oh well, that's life. I've always preffered to look at the bible and other forms of theological codice as a lesson on how our predecessors based their beliefs and practices, which may not necessarily apply in our day and age.

I've always felt religion should be an open book, not a closed one.

Carey
7th August 2007, 01:24 AM
I'd be inclined to agree. My frustration stems from the general fact that much of the translations I find contradict what Catholics say. I make a point of emphasing, TRANSLATIONS, not my words, but rather those of Catholic monks who seemed to disagree with with cathetism of miedeval and contemporary Catholicism. It seems that even though it is not my words that offend, but rather the actual words of Catholic priests that seems to offend Catholics, I hate to have to say it but i've persecuted to no avail for roughly two years anyways.

Even though my life and future are ruined, I figure I might as well just publish my findings anyways. Perhaps being German blooded I'm just too stubborn to give in, but I also believe that since I've already been slandered, defamed, humliated and ruined, I might as well actually publish, after all, it would seem pointless to have to live through all not without ever actually going public.

I'm into the Gnostic ideals of Chrsitianity, and as such I never take the bible to any literal interpretation, but instead prefer to consider it a means of historical recordation of the evolution of human spirituality, never to be a set law on how we should feel, worship, believe or act, but more as a tool to understand that the same fears, hopes, trials and tribulations we endure today, have as well been consistent throughout time.

So I think for expressing that view by way or interpretation and philosophical offering, I know I've inadvertently offended people, specifically Catholics, even though it was never intentional. I actually now regret giving a copy to the local head of the Catholic church asking for his opinion. Since, his opinion seems to be complete alienation and ruin of my character.

But oh well, that's life. I've always preffered to look at the bible and other forms of theological codice as a lesson on how our predecessors based their beliefs and practices, which may not necessarily apply in our day and age.

I've always felt religion should be an open book, not a closed one.

Since you dont take the Bible literally.
I assume do you don't take Jesus Christ being risen from the dead ,ascended to heaven and the fact he died for all sin literally?

GnosticSoldier
7th August 2007, 11:37 AM
No, the presumption of being risen from the dead should be viewed based on the context of the substance of the message.

Death need not be considered an entirely literal event. I think too often, people take these things entirely literal and completely overlook the spiritual aspects.

Death can be construed by a number of figurative ideals. Such as, the death of a soul, or spirit, or heart that follows a trial or tribulation of great grief or suffering. For example, a person can die inside, the turning of a golden soul to a blakened one following the loss of a loved one, the murder of someone you love, the loss of livelihood, etc...From my point of view, ressurection would seem more likely to imply the returning of life to a soul that was lost. Like a person whose spirit dies inside from those great miseries, yet for some love of life or God comes back to life.

Just as well, crucifixion by its origins of etymology is merely suggestive of "excruciating", and is portrayed by the bible as Jesus' judgment and torture and subsequent death. So I draw my interpretations from those recognition, Jesus Christ in the process of delivering his message suffers some tremendous form of grief, misery or suffering caused by the judgments of the hard lined Pharisaists, but through his faith and belief his spirit again returns to life.

I see the same similarities to the ideas of walking on water and turning water to wine. Since we often forget these religious doctrines were written by poets, and rather skilled ones at that. So it would reasonable to associate water with grief, being one of the oldest and most universal uses of poetic device. So from my point of view, walking on water would imply being able to carry his message forward despite tremendous grief, and turning water to wine would imply turning grief into religious parable or doctrine, and as such people grow intoxicated with the words.

The book I have written, and am in the process of polishing up explains much of this. That is to suggest without trying to be overly boastful, that whatever mysteries lie contained in the Christian bible and the Hebrew Tora are not mysteries to me. I've solved them and I'm only hoping publishing the truth does not get me lynched. Since I've not even published it yet and I've already been severely persecuted.