I Disagree With The Church On Some Things

[PaladinGirl]

Hi everyone. :wave: I disagree with the Church on some things. Mainly I disagree with sexual ethics of the Church such as no masturbation, no sex before marriage, and no contraception. Those are the only things I actually disagree with. The rest of the Church teachings I am fine with. Can I honestly be a practicing Catholic and still disagree with those things? My conscience simply cannot bring myself to agree with the sexual ethics code of the Catholic Church.

[boughtwithaprice]

I think that you need to research the teachings in the Catholic church and understand why you dissent from them. I object to certain church teachings also, and a well formed conscience trys to understand why it objects.

I think that there is room for dissent on nonifallible teaching, and that is part of what I am currently researching. Hans Kung appears to be the expert on church hierarchy, and I am finding the Fr. Charles Curran is a good source for researching dissent from moral theology.

I am finishing the book. "Loyal Dissent: Memoires of a Catholic Theologian" and am going to read some of his books on moral theology. I can't wait till they come in the mail.
http://www.amazon.com/Dissent-Church-Readings-Moral-Theology/dp/0809129302/ref=sr_1_11/102-0514485-2052155?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186233089&sr=8-11

[Protinus]

PeaceLover02: we are not advocating dissent in this forum for those that have not contemplated the ramifications an it is a very serious thing to do in our Church. Please pickup a copy of the latest Catechism of the Catholic Church at Barnes & Nobles for $8-10 in paperback. Please consult with your spiritual director as to yuor difficulties and please participate in the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

Please refer to our Wiki rules regarding dissent as well:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5725...catholics.html (http://www.christianforums.com/t5725946-wiki-liberal-catholics.html)

[UberLutheran]

Hi everyone. :wave: I disagree with the Church on some things. Mainly I disagree with sexual ethics of the Church such as no masturbation, no sex before marriage, and no contraception. Those are the only things I actually disagree with. The rest of the Church teachings I am fine with. Can I honestly be a practicing Catholic and still disagree with those things? My conscience simply cannot bring myself to agree with the sexual ethics code of the Catholic Church.

Oh, I don't agree with the Lutheran Church on every single thing; and I think Martin Luther got it completely wrong on some things (the Jews, the status of women, etc.).

I still love Sunday morning Mass. Wouldn't miss it... :wave:

(And people over on DoH have learned NOT to cross me when it comes to things like trans- or consubstantiation. That's just not a good idea...)

[Diane_Windsor]

I disagree with the Church on some things. Mainly I disagree with sexual ethics of the Church such as no masturbation, no sex before marriage, and no contraception. Those are the only things I actually disagree with.

Ok-moving on.

The rest of the Church teachings I am fine with. Can I honestly be a practicing Catholic and still disagree with those things? My conscience simply cannot bring myself to agree with the sexual ethics code of the Catholic Church.

Yet just yesterday you wrote in The Real Presence Debate Thread (http://www.christianforums.com/t5873730-the-real-presence-debate-thread.html) the following, "I would like to debate about whether Christ is literally present in communion or not. I personally believe that He is not."

How can one deny a basic dogma, in this case transubstantiation, of the RCC and still be considered a RC?

[Protinus]

Ok-moving on.



Yet just yesterday you wrote in The Real Presence Debate Thread (http://www.christianforums.com/t5873730-the-real-presence-debate-thread.html) the following, "I would like to debate about whether Christ is literally present in communion or not. I personally believe that He is not."

How can one deny a basic dogma, in this case transubstantiation, of the RCC and still be considered a RC?


I have advocated that PeaceLover find a spiritual director or sponsor to help her sort these things out. It is a long road to becoming Catholic and much has to be explained and a response from the believer has to be discerned. I'm know that she can't get there alone and this BB can only provide so much...perhaps even seemingly conflicted information. She has to make a thoughtful descision after much prayer and stick to it. This is not to say that we shouldn't inquire of her and help her along the way.:wave:

[JasonV]

As some of you may know, PeaceLover02 has a tendency to change her mind on just about everything on a daily basis. Last I saw (two days ago) she was a Baptist. So this whole thread might be moot?

[Protinus]

As some of you may know, PeaceLover02 has a tendency to change her mind on just about everything on a daily basis. Last I saw (two days ago) she was a Baptist. So this whole thread might be moot?


I don't think PeaceLover2 has an awareness of how much commitment that there is to become Catholic. This is not at all an afront to any other denomination or creed - implying that it is less rigorous to follow their paths.

I would liken it to converting to Judaism. I say this as a Catholic, a convert and a person who was seriously involved with Jewish girl who was really trying to convert me (in and of itself unusual). There is so much to consider and so much faith involved. You really have to sit down before your God and pray...pray hard.

Miracles do happen...the Novitiate that discovered me alone in the campus ministry sanctuary...turning the lights off, could have rushed off to his life after shooing me out. Instead, he changed my life and we talked for an hour and half that first night.

[JasonV]

I of course advocate traveling down whatever spiritual path God wants you to. For me, that as meant five or six different churches in just the last ten years. Some I formally joined, some I did not. But the study and experience of these different faiths have helped me put things into perspective.

So when I hear of a friend or family member having switched their faith affiliations, I am usually happy for them. Some stick it out, others move on.

I think it's all part of the Path.

[Victrixa]

I of course advocate traveling down whatever spiritual path God wants you to. For me, that as meant five or six different churches in just the last ten years. Some I formally joined, some I did not. But the study and experience of these different faiths have helped me put things into perspective.

So when I hear of a friend or family member having switched their faith affiliations, I am usually happy for them. Some stick it out, others move on.

I think it's all part of the Path.

I agree. :) God bless you.

[PaladinGirl]

Ok-moving on.



Yet just yesterday you wrote in The Real Presence Debate Thread (http://www.christianforums.com/t5873730-the-real-presence-debate-thread.html) the following, "I would like to debate about whether Christ is literally present in communion or not. I personally believe that He is not."

How can one deny a basic dogma, in this case transubstantiation, of the RCC and still be considered a RC?
I posted that disagreement with the Real Presence before I chose to be a Catholic again.

[Protinus]

I of course advocate traveling down whatever spiritual path God wants you to. For me, that as meant five or six different churches in just the last ten years. Some I formally joined, some I did not. But the study and experience of these different faiths have helped me put things into perspective.

So when I hear of a friend or family member having switched their faith affiliations, I am usually happy for them. Some stick it out, others move on.

I think it's all part of the Path.


this is such a wonderful and loving summation of a sometimes difficult process...one that I went through when converting and, in many ways, reflective of the struggles that I have with my Church. I am not so self important as to not realize the profound questions that I'm asking. But I am humble enough before God to know that our Church is worth our inquiry as much as our support.

Thanks Jason!!!!:wave: :bow:

[JasonV]

I suppose my comments reflect more my belief that everything happens for a reason, and that everything is meant to benefit us in some way. We may not always see it for what it is at the time, but in hindsight, we recognize the good that can come from even the worst events in our lives.