fundamentalists rollcall

[Baruch41]

fundamentalists pls sign in here before posting.

note: fundamentalists only.

mod: can u make this a sticky? ty

[cubanito]

JR/cubanito considers himself a fundamentalist as per definitions on this forum. He will likely be out with full internet privilegs this monday (8/6/7) as satisfactory progress continues.

Dr Adler

[Hentenza]

Signing in!!!

[desmalia]

Hi George, and welcome to the Fundie forum. :)
We have an Introduce yourself here (http://www.christianforums.com/t5729863-introduce-yourself-here.html)thread if you'd like to share a little about yourself.

[No Swansong]

As much as I dislike these membership list. Because of the new CF rules they have become necessary. I think we should make sure that all who sign in as fundamentalist are actually aware of the definition that we use.

I am unashamedly a member here.

[Zacharias]

Here :wave:

[NewGuy101]

Yo I'm a fundie

[DeaconDean]

Even though I am not posting here as much as I used to, add my name to the list.

God Bless

Till all are one.

[kobuk]

Signing in. :cool:;):cool:

[Nagev]

I still subscribe to the King James Version of the Bible and don't like this modern "worship" music in church. They think it's better for the kids :o but, where is the Gospel message in it, as too many hips are swinging and the service almost resembles a strip tease? :blush: I think it's sad. :( Why isn't the Bible being preached as "Thus Sayeth The Lord?" :preach: What about people saying :amen: during the sermon?

[amadeus2]

I still subscribe to the King James Version of the Bible and don't like this modern "worship" music in church. They think it's better for the kids :o but, where is the Gospel message in it, as too many hips are swinging and the service almost resembles a strip tease? :blush: I think it's sad. :( Why isn't the Bible being preached as "Thus Sayeth The Lord?" :preach: What about people saying :amen: during the sermon?
Saying Amen means that you agree strongly. Perhaps most them do not.

I am a fundamentalist or consider myself so. i believe in the fundamentals taught by Jesus.

[Nagev]

Saying Amen means that you agree strongly. Perhaps most them do not.

When a statement is Biblically-based, we'd better be shouting amen. This is not a word that suggests it's open for discussion, as the word means, "so be it."

If people aren't saying amen, are they killing their pastor at their homes by backstabbing him/her because of that sermon? Perhaps it's something that should be said, wouldn't you agree?

[FreeinChrist]

I still subscribe to the King James Version of the Bible and don't like this modern "worship" music in church. They think it's better for the kids :o but, where is the Gospel message in it, as too many hips are swinging and the service almost resembles a strip tease? :blush: I think it's sad. :( Why isn't the Bible being preached as "Thus Sayeth The Lord?" :preach: What about people saying :amen: during the sermon?
Nagrev, you posted this:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37387057&postcount=9
Well, desmalia, I can see your point. I'm new here, but retired from the ministry in 2000 after 18 years in it. I have scars on my back to prove it and those were NOT put there by unsaved people. If we are so concerned about a "Christian" website and to heck with the Church, then we've got issues. Have you attended church lately? Unless you attend a far-right fundamental Baptist church, the music is horrible. I thought the Bible says for believers not to be yoked together with the world, but yet we are. How about the way people dress in church? During those 18 years, I had become a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because I had been so badly hurt. Those people dressed up, shirts and ties and women wore dresses. The music was as dead as a door nail, but yet, the sanctuary was either near-capacity or standing room only. The people were friendly, too, did I mention that?


Mormons do not fit the description of Fundamentalists that are in the rules. If this thread is suppose to be a roll call of Fundamentalists for the purpose of voting and making furthur rules, we have a problem.

[Willo]

Signing in!

I'm fun and mental :)

[Project 86]

I'm a fundamentalist, Christian, Baptist, young earth believer.

[WannaWitness]

Here I am.

Although I am Pentecostal, I believe I am a Fundamentalist. The reason? I believe in the complete inerrant Word of God and I try to apply it to my own life the best I can.

[HypnoToad]

Nagrev, you posted this:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37387057&postcount=9
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Mormons do not fit the description of Fundamentalists that are in the rules. If this thread is suppose to be a roll call of Fundamentalists for the purpose of voting and making furthur rules, we have a problem.
He has posted elsewhere that he USED to be a Mormon (see his last post in the "Vote now" thread, which was posted before your post here). The post you quote only states he "had become" a Mormon, not that he "is" one now.

[BigNorsk]

Fundamentalist: (Defined by the World Congress of Fundamentalists in 1976)

A born-again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ who
Maintains an immovable allegiance to the inerrant, infallible, and verbally Inspired Bible;
Believes whatever the Bible says is so;
Judges all things by the Bible, and is judged only by the Bible, aka - "Sola Scriptura";
Affirms the foundational truths of the historic Christian Faith:
The doctrine of the Trinity
The incarnation, virgin birth, substitutionary atonement, bodily resurrection, ascension into Heaven, and Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ
The new birth through regeneration of the Holy Spirit
The resurrection of saints to life eternal
The resurrection of the ungodly to final judgment and eternal death
The fellowship of the saints, who are the body of Christ;
Practices fidelity to that faith, and endeavors to preach it to every creature;
Exposes and separates from all ecclesiastical denial of that Faith, compromise with error, and apostasy from the Truth; and
Earnestly contends for the Faith once delivered.Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. a,b,c,d,e, and f. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes

Marv

[Nagev]

Nagrev, you posted this:

http://www.christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=37387057&postcount=9
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Mormons do not fit the description of Fundamentalists that are in the rules. If this thread is suppose to be a roll call of Fundamentalists for the purpose of voting and making furthur rules, we have a problem.

No, I think you have the problem. Go back and read all my posts. I am no longer a member. How many times do I need to say this? Book mark this.

I can't find the thread where someone said they were LDS and I posted that I used to be one.

[Hentenza]

No, I think you have the problem. Go back and read all my posts. I am no longer a member. How many times do I need to say this? Book mark this.

I can't find the thread where someone said they were LDS and I posted that I used to be one.

Hi Nagev,

I am happy for you that you chose to leave the LDS. The problem that I have with accepting you as a fundamentalist is that you profess in your own profile the following: "I am a conservatively moderately liberal and liberally conservatively moderate.

I find contradiction in your statement and fundamentalism. It would help us greatly if you could explain your statement and why you consider yourself a fundamentalist.

God Bless

[Albion]

Yes, I agree to all of the 7 points.

[cubanito]

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. a,b,c,d,e, and f. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes

Marv
Was it you marv? or someone else who once noted they could not be a fundy because they could not agree to point #5.

They felt ridiculous trying to evangelize dogs, cats and other non-human animals :doh: .

Since we fundies are ratherobsessive about every detailed written word, I do hope no one looks TOO closely at that point. It could be :blush:

JR

[EllaBella]

Hello All :wave:

Hope you are all having a great day!!!

I'd like to sign in as a Fundamentalist please.

May God Bless,
Ella :D

[NewGuy101]

Current Fundies on the List

Albion
Amadeus2
BigNorsk
Cubanito
DeaconDean
desmalia
EllaBella
Freak4JC
George40
Hentenza
jtbdad
Kobuk
Newguy101
Project 86
WannaWitness
Willo
XianJedi

[cubanito]

We need a "Z", Zomebody out there help us out!

JR (cubanito)

[EllaBella]

hehe... sorry that I wasn't much help :D

[NewGuy101]

We need a "Z", Zomebody out there help us out!

JR (cubanito)
I...don't...get it.

[Hentenza]

While in a trip by car, ever played that game of finding items out the window that begin with the letters of the alphabet?:P^_^^_^

You don't have any children, do you.^_^^_^

[cubanito]

It...is...humor.

Matt 11:17-19: "[JC] saying: "We piped to you, and you did not dance; we mourned to u, and you did not wail. For John came neither eating nor drinking,and they say 'He has a demon'. The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they say 'Behold a gluttonous man and a wine drinker..."

We are not all the same, nor should the eye look down upon the nose, nor the nose flare her nostrils at the "disreputable" frenum.

Being kind to myself, I am "earthy" like the Hippo. If my foul, wasteful, aggressive, tactless, and ultimately humorous ways do not appeal to you; God bless you! You are still my brother, and we deliver the same message, but through different personalities. You go right ahead and eat your locusts with wild honey, while scratching under your camel's hair coat. Who am I to say this is not what God called you to do? If I annoy you too much, there's always the "ignore" button. Trust me, it would take a lot more than an ignore button to offend or irritate me.

I am a Hippo, though not nearly as foul-mouthed as Martin Luther, still rather "earthy" in my own way.

JR

[NewGuy101]

It...is...humor.

Matt 11:17-19: "[JC] saying: "We piped to you, and you did not dance; we mourned to u, and you did not wail. For John came neither eating nor drinking,and they say 'He has a demon'. The Son of Man came eating and drinking and they say 'Behold a gluttonous man and a wine drinker..."

We are not all the same, nor should the eye look down upon the nose, nor the nose flare her nostrils at the "disreputable" frenum.

Being kind to myself, I am "earthy" like the Hippo. If my foul, wasteful, aggressive, tactless, and ultimately humorous ways do not appeal to you; God bless you! You are still my brother, and we deliver the same message, but through different personalities. You go right ahead and eat your locusts with wild honey, while scratching under your camel's hair coat. Who am I to say this is not what God called you to do? If I annoy you too much, there's always the "ignore" button. Trust me, it would take a lot more than an ignore button to offend or irritate me.

I am a Hippo, though not nearly as foul-mouthed as Martin Luther, still rather "earthy" in my own way.

JR
WOW...

[cubanito]

If ya can't say something worthwhile, at least leave 'em speechless.

JR

[Vambram]

Signing in as a Fundamentalist. Unequivocally and without any shadow of a doubt, I do know that I am a Fundamentalist and it is on this forum of the CF boards that I know I will be spending time with fellow believers whose beliefs shall not be diluted with the liberal theology so very common among far too many Christians.

[cubanito]

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Albion
Amadeus2
BigNorsk
cubanito (JR)
daniel777
DeaconDean
DesertScroll
desmalia
EllaBella
Floatingaxe
Freak4JC
George40
Hentenza
IamRedeemed
jtbdad
KitsapGirl
Kobuk
Mercyburst
Newguy101
Project 86
SingingElk
WannaWitness
Vambram
VCViking
Willo
XianJedi

only those above should edit this list

[IamRedeemed]

Count me in! :-)

[MercyBurst]

Mercyburst signing in.

[Floatingaxe]

Please add me! http://pichostonline.com/u/070810/6f21e55ba7.gif (http://pichostonline.com/)

[DesertScroll]

If you don't mind a low post count, then add my name to list as well.

Thanks

[SingingElk]

I have been browsing this forum and reading its rules. I definitely fit the definition of a fundie. I have been a sola scriptura Christian since age 12. Sign me up.

[VCViking]

Signing up.

[daniel777]

Beam me up Scotty.

[Rochir]

Question: cross-membership in this an the liberal forum is allowed?

[desmalia]

Question: cross-membership in this an the liberal forum is allowed?
Cross-membership is beside the point. Anyone can be a member of the liberal forum, regardless of what they believe. The fundamentalist forum is for fundamentalists.

What I would like to know is why a liberal would want to join a fundmentalist forum?

[SingingElk]

A Unitarian, If he follows the tenets of his religion, would not fit the definition of a Fundamentalist.

[cubanito]

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Albion
Amadeus2
BigNorsk
cubanito (JR)
daniel777
DeaconDean
DesertScroll
desmalia
EllaBella
Floatingaxe
Freak4JC
George40
Hentenza
IamRedeemed
jtbdad
KitsapGirl
Kobuk
Mercyburst
Newguy101
Project 86
SingingElk
WannaWitness
Vambram
VCViking
Willo
XianJedi

only those above should edit this list

Person NOT on the list: Rochir

1- Unitarian is directly in opposition to rule 4a: The doctrine of the Trinity

2- While perhaps not impossible, I find it difficult to understand how one can assent to no one having Absolute Truth, and also assent to a detailed lists of propositions as Absolute Truth.

If Rochir wishes to debate w us, or ask questions, he should do so only in the stickys for that purpose. Otherwise Rochir's posts may be found acceptable, or in violation of the rules, at the pleasure of the Fundamentalist membership.

Any fundy wishing to support Rochir's application, please do so now. I am NOT a mod (yet) nor seeking to overstep my bounds.

JR

[KorahRose]

Please count me in. :)

[No Swansong]

I have supported Rochir in other areas of CF such as STR. (Anglican Doctrine does seem to allow for Unitarian belief at least as far as it doesn't directly reject it.) But I do not see how what I understand (admittedly I could have a misunderstanding) to be Rochir's beliefs to qualify as Fundamentalist as it is defined on this board. I do however support as much openness on our little corner of CF as possible and welcome fellowship and questions. As well as participation in the Debate subforum set aside for non-fundamentalists to debate with fundamentalists.

However unless I missed it Rochir did not ask for membership but instead asked if it would be permissible for one to be a member of both WWMC and this board. This is a question that at first seems obvious, and probably is for WWMC, but perhaps it is something we should discuss for other boards. For example although I have never met one I suppose it is possible to be both a Methodist and believe in Sola Scriptura. Is this something we need to address now of should we wait and see if it becomes an issue? I know there are Anglicans that are Sola Scriptura (me for example and AV1611) and I know that many if not most of our brothers over on the Lutheran forum do.

I think that CC has a rule against belonging to both WWMC and CC. What do you all think? Do we need such a rule?

[SingingElk]

I am opposed to Rochir joining.

1. Unitarians are not trinitarian. Rochir belongs to this sect.

2. Unitarians are not Sola Scriptura.

3. Unitarians do not preach that Jesus is the only way to the Father.

4. Rochir is a liberal.

5. Just read Rochir's sig. Nuff said.

[desmalia]

I have supported Rochir in other areas of CF such as STR. (Anglican Doctrine does seem to allow for Unitarian belief at least as far as it doesn't directly reject it.) But I do not see how what I understand (admittedly I could have a misunderstanding) to be Rochir's beliefs to qualify as Fundamentalist as it is defined on this board. I do however support as much openness on our little corner of CF as possible and welcome fellowship and questions. As well as participation in the Debate subforum set aside for non-fundamentalists to debate with fundamentalists.

However unless I missed it Rochir did not ask for membership but instead asked if it would be permissible for one to be a member of both WWMC and this board. This is a question that at first seems obvious, and probably is for WWMC, but perhaps it is something we should discuss for other boards. For example although I have never met one I suppose it is possible to be both a Methodist and believe in Sola Scriptura. Is this something we need to address now of should we wait and see if it becomes an issue? I know there are Anglicans that are Sola Scriptura (me for example and AV1611) and I know that many if not most of our brothers over on the Lutheran forum do.

I think that CC has a rule against belonging to both WWMC and CC. What do you all think? Do we need such a rule?One of our members (Amadeus2) is also a member of WWMC. I don't think this is something that we need to define so clearly as the CC forum has. The CC forum has had numerous liberals attempt to join their forum in the past little while. Their wiki Statement is a little more generic than the Fundamentalist Statement (and also not completely defined yet), and I suspect that is part of the reason for this happening (the other being that quite a number of the liberals who tried to join just enjoy trolling and causing trouble whenever they can). The Fundamentalist Statement itself basically rules out liberals from joining the membership here. I do think that if Fundamentalist members want to join the WWMC forum for ministry purposes, that is something that should not be discouraged.

As far as non-members posting questions here, I think that has always been welcomed. I hope that more non-Fundies will start using our subforums in the future. The reaction in this thread to Rochir may be primarily due to the feathers he ruffled in the CC forum already.

[No Swansong]

My goal was simply to ask the question. We have never needed such a rule nor do I feel we need it now. I would however like to point out that while in my opinion unlikely it is at least theoretically possible for a liberal to be a Fundamentalist.

[Albion]

I have supported Rochir in other areas of CF such as STR. (Anglican Doctrine does seem to allow for Unitarian belief at least as far as it doesn't directly reject it.)

Well, it absolutely does reject it, so a Unitarian is ineligible for membership in STR.

However, you are correct that one could be a Fundamentalist and also a political liberal. How that should be handled, I don't know. The reason that one can't be a member of both the CC and WWMC is that liberal and conservative are mutually exclusive terms, whereas the Fundy forum defines itself, properly enough, in terms of items believed.

[No Swansong]

Well, it absolutely does reject it, so a Unitarian is ineligible for membership in STR.

However, you are correct that one could be a Fundamentalist and also a political liberal. How that should be handled, I don't know. The reason that one can't be a member of both the CC and WWMC is that liberal and conservative are mutually exclusive terms, whereas the Fundy forum defines itself, properly enough, in terms of items believed.
Oh I agree with you on both points but unfortunately what I accept as authoritative statements of doctrine many in Anglicanism including Clergy do not.

[desmalia]

My goal was simply to ask the question. We have never needed such a rule nor do I feel we need it now. I would however like to point out that while in my opinion unlikely it is at least theoretically possible for a liberal to be a Fundamentalist.I guess that depends on the definition of liberal. As it applies on CF, I've never seen a liberal who is conservative, let alone fundamentalist.

[No Swansong]

I guess that depends on the definition of liberal. As it applies on CF, I've never seen a liberal who is conservative, let alone fundamentalist.
But I think my point is you don't have to be conservative to accept Sola Scriptura or those things we consider the Fundamentals. Often times a belief in these things will lead one to be more conservative, and I think it is more likely that one who is already conservative will be more likely to accept these truths, but I don't think they(the terms Fundamentalist and Liberal) are necessarily exclusive as are the terms liberal and conservative.

It would however be interesting to meet someone who is both liberal and a Fundamentalist.

[Spudgrandma]

I would fit here if that is acceptable to the members here.

[cubanito]

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Albion
Amadeus2
BigNorsk
cubanito (JR)
daniel777
DeaconDean
DesertScroll
desmalia
EllaBella
Floatingaxe
Freak4JC
George40
Hentenza
IamRedeemed
jtbdad
KorahRose
KitsapGirl
Kobuk
Mercyburst
Newguy101
Project 86
SingingElk
Spudgrandma w my personal thanks, (it's our secret)
WannaWitness
Vambram
VCViking
Willo
XianJedi

only those above should edit this list

Person NOT on the list: Rochir, who may of course post questions and debate in the appropiate stickys, but only post "fellowship" posts of agreement on the general forum.

Also, guys, I see NOTHING in our rules to prevent one from being a political liberal. If someone can PHYSIC-ally fit liberal politics and a fundamentalist approach to the Scriptures, so be it. They might need a helmet to keep their brain from exploding from the obvious doctrine/anti-doctrine reactions, but hey, who am I to out them from their closet? To my friend, who seems to like a good joke now and again.

Please can somebody tell the old Hippo what the WWMC and CC stand for? Methodist and Christian Conservative respectively? We hippos have massive mouths, but tiny brains, so we don't do all that well w abbreviations.

JR

[Spudgrandma]

Latest List 15/8/2007


Please can somebody tell the old Hippo what the WWMC and CC stand for? Methodist and Christian Conservative respectively? We hippos have massive mouths, but tiny brains, so we don't do all that well w abbreviations.

JR

WWMC = Whosoever-will-may-come-liberal
(http://www.christianforums.com/f401-whosoever-will-may-come-liberal.html)

CC = Conservative-christians (http://www.christianforums.com/f791-conservative-christians.html)


Thanks for adding me to the list.

[desmalia]

WWMC stands for "whosoever will, may come", which is the liberal forum's title. CC is the conservative forum. :)

Edit: Bah, ya beat me to it! Granny is quick on the draw!!

[Albion]

But I think my point is you don't have to be conservative to accept Sola Scriptura or those things we consider the Fundamentals. Often times a belief in these things will lead one to be more conservative, and I think it is more likely that one who is already conservative will be more likely to accept these truths, but I don't think they(the terms Fundamentalist and Liberal) are necessarily exclusive as are the terms liberal and conservative.

It would however be interesting to meet someone who is both liberal and a Fundamentalist.

I suppose there are the so-called 'bleeding heart' Liberal types. Accept all the Fundamentals of the faith but seem to think that they need to tell society how to spend everyone's money. Offhand, I don't think that anything in the Fundamentals statement would conflict with that.

[No Swansong]

I suppose there are the so-called 'bleeding heart' Liberal types. Accept all the Fundamentals of the faith but seem to think that they need to tell society how to spend everyone's money. Offhand, I don't think that anything in the Fundamentals statement would conflict with that.
I would love to meet one wouldn't you? Would make for some interesting conversation.

[cubanito]

The following are excerpts from the newest WWMC rules:

Current rules of WWMC as of 8-6-2007



WHOSOEVER WILL, MAY COME

Whosoever Will, May Come (WWMC) is a welcoming, interdenominational congregation of Liberal, progressive, postmodern, and emergent Christians. WWMC is dedicated to following Jesus's example of radical inclusiveness and hospitality by including "whoseover will " to come join us in friendly and polite fellowship and conversation. All threads remain open to all regardless of icon.

For the purposes of these rules, the term "Liberal" is meant to apply to all Christians who self-identify as Liberal, progressive, postmodern, or emergent.

Most members of WWMC affirm the following, adapted from Reconciling in Christ website (http://www.lcna.org/ric.shtm).

Therefore, as in Cor 13:12, we are certain of a few things, among them seeing "through a glass darkly." There must not be dogmatic statements of faith. There must not be those that state or infer "to have a monopoly on the truth." The search for truth must be ongoing and shared rather that dictated. For heaven is the "whole of our hearts," and this quest must be shared.

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It seems altogether posssible to me for one to be a full member in the WWMC forum and in the Fundy forum. What seems difficult for anybody who actually follows the rules is to debate on the WWMC site at all. If one is forbidden from making any statements of Absolute Truth, then in fact no debate is at all possible. One can not even argue that a statement of Absolute Truth has even been made! How somebody can agree that 1+1 never = 3. and then turn around and deny the possibility of statements of Absolute Truth is beyond me.

Frankly, I do not believe ANYONE actually follows the rules on WWMC. What is done, and this is typical liberalism, is that the rules are selectively enforced against anyone that does not "feel" right or engages in sanctioned "groupthink." Thus, a fundy could argue in the WWMC only if, while posting on that site, he abides by their rules, which are actually no rules at all--only what "feels right" to the group. Read George Orwell's 1984 for a more complete introduction to politically correct thought and speech.

However, if someone from WWMC wanted to post here, they would have to accept radically different terms. Here rules are clear, enforced, and debate is welcome. Even strenous debate, so long as it is debating IDEAS or even public figures and not ad hominem attacks between members is allowed.

So, I could be a full member here and at the WWMC because I am a fair chameleon. I am capable, not very well, but able, to lay aside my normal fundy beliefs and patterns; and then adopt a jellyfish spineless attitude that would be necessary to post in WWMC. I could, but it wouldn't be pleasant, so I won't.


JR

[SingingElk]

I have read some of the stuff from the WWMC. It made me want to spew my breakfast. I would last all of five minute there before the verbal rifles come out and they made me into a fine meal of venison. I am no chameleon, I am a fundy called Singing Elk. This is the how the libs hunt. Their game is the Fundamentalist. Soo, I would never join the WWMC unless I wanted a nice fat bullseye painted on my rump.

[Albion]

Current rules of WWMC as of 8-6-2007


WHOSOEVER WILL, MAY COME. Here follow the rules concerning all those who are not in the "whosoever."


;)

[cubanito]

Current rules of WWMC as of 8-6-2007


WHOSOEVER WILL, MAY COME. Here follow the rules concerning all those who are not in the "whosoever."


;)
You win the Golden Cigar of Wit for this day.

Exactly right, these are the people who judge on the basis of wether you are parroting the words of those on the "A" list or the "B" list.

I read what Matthew Henry (it's in my PDA), John Calvin, Jonathan Edwards, Spurgeon, Moody, RC Sproul and John McArthur have to say about some passage of Scripture or some topic. But in the end, I DO NOT CARE what they say if, after careful study, prayer and reflection, it seems Scripture says something else. I will go w Scripture every time, no matter how crazy, how "novel", how strange, how just plain against the WORLD it is. THAT is the basis of this forum. And yes, we've added a few other tidbits besides Sola Scriptura, such as a Trinitariian understanding. Ok fine, so we are not as pure as the wind driven snow, it's hard when the snow keeps getting PEED ON by so many wakos more interested in irritating us than learning anything.

As for bullseyes on rumps, I think between that and my snow analogy we are definitely on the way down wilderness way here...


JR

[Hentenza]

Bump

[lismore]

Hello

Can I sign this roll please?

:)

[VCViking]

On board.

[Hentenza]

Welcome Lismore and VCViking,

Glad you found this forum. Please read our statement of beliefs listed in the forum rules. You have to agree to be able to debate in this forum.
I look forward to getting to know you.:wave:

[lismore]

Welcome Lismore and VCViking,

Glad you found this forum. Please read our statement of beliefs listed in the forum rules. You have to agree to be able to debate in this forum.
I look forward to getting to know you.:wave:

Thanks for the welcome:wave:

I agree with the statement of beliefs.

:)

[annie1speed]

Hey Y'all,

Can I join? I read the sticky and I think I fit the bill. I am so DEFINITELY NOT liberal.

Annie1speed.

[Vambram]

Welcome and join on in with your fellow Fundamentalist Christians. :)

[No Swansong]

Hi Annie!

[BBAS 64]

Good Day,

I am in....

In Him,

Bill

[Hentenza]

Hi Bill,

Welcome!!!!

[jlujan69]

Yo, baby!

[NewGuy101]

I wonder if we are ever going to get this sticked?

[NewGuy101]

BTW reading our statement of beliefs I think we should change the part that says we are militant. I really think we should rephrase that.

[Vambram]

BTW reading our statement of beliefs I think we should change the part that says we are militant. I really think we should rephrase that.
I agree, and I think that ought to be rephrased also.

[Albion]

BTW reading our statement of beliefs I think we should change the part that says we are militant. I really think we should rephrase that.

I sympathize with your thinking, NewGuy. But we ought to be careful to this extent--

Unless I am mistaken, the word appears in the final part of the statement we've adopted from the World Congress of Fundamentalists. Because so many people make up their own definitions of what they think Fundies are and then attack on that basis, we are well-advised to stick with the statement of principles created by the World Congress of Fundamentalists itself. In this way, we can always point to it as authoritative, not something a bunch of online posters cobbled together on their own (and could have been inaccurate in so doing).

If that final paragraph, including the word militant, IS part of the Congress' definition, we should leave it unchanged but--in a following line--explain what we understand that word to mean to us.

An alternative could be to strike out the entire last paragraph as being simply an amplification of the principles outlined above it, but I would say we should not amend the thing or substitute a word for another.

[NewGuy101]

I sympathize with your thinking, NewGuy. But we ought to be careful to this extent--

Unless I am mistaken, the word appears in the final part of the statement we've adopted from the World Congress of Fundamentalists. Because so many people make up their own definitions of what they think Fundies are and then attack on that basis, we are well-advised to stick with the statement of principles created by the World Congress of Fundamentalists itself. In this way, we can always point to it as authoritative, not something a bunch of online posters cobbled together on their own (and could have been inaccurate in so doing).

If that final paragraph, including the word militant, IS part of the Congress' definition, we should leave it unchanged but--in a following line--explain what we understand that word to mean to us.

An alternative could be to strike out the entire last paragraph as being simply an amplification of the principles outlined above it, but I would say we should not amend the thing or substitute a word for another.

I am not familar with the Word of Congress of Fundamentalist and their theology. What I am trying to express is what seems like bad language to the comteporary. As I read our statement of belifs as a whole I have no problem with a single part of it. But the word militant is now being associate it as attacking and clearly we are not that way. The word as it is expressed in our statement of beliefs in context has no problems but might be misinterpreted by others.

[Albion]

I am not familar with the Word of Congress of Fundamentalist and their theology. What I am trying to express is what seems like bad language to the comteporary. As I read our statement of belifs as a whole I have no problem with a single part of it. But the word militant is now being associate it as attacking and clearly we are not that way. The word as it is expressed in our statement of beliefs in context has no problems but might be misinterpreted by others.

I agree, so all that needs be done is to omit that paragraph or add a footnote. What I said was that it is not such a good idea was to alter the statement we have.

[NewGuy101]

I agree, so all that needs be done is to omit that paragraph or add a footnote. What I said was that it is not such a good idea was to alter the statement we have.
How do we get the ball rolling then? Man this forum is dead all the time.

[Albion]

How do we get the ball rolling then?

We could have a poll (sorry bout that, but with this I don't see how we can avoid it) asking if omitting the final paragraph of the statement--my personal choice--or if adding a brief explanatory sentence to it saying what we here mean by militancy. If the latter wins, we'd have to take suggestions on the wording of that addition. But I know nothing, my friend, about how one gets decisions into place with mods, supermods, administrators, and all that.

Man this forum is dead all the time.

I agree there! The readership is also down, and perhaps you notice that--how few are online here at any moment. We do need some posts with meat that invite discussion and the presentation of facts to back up one's stance.

I'll try to come up with a few myself and maybe you will do so as well. I've been hoping for others to do it over the past couple of days but so far I'm still hoping. Preferably, the topics might be ones of interest to Fundamentalists but not ones that have been argued a zillion times already.

[desmalia]

I sympathize with your thinking, NewGuy. But we ought to be careful to this extent--

Unless I am mistaken, the word appears in the final part of the statement we've adopted from the World Congress of Fundamentalists. Because so many people make up their own definitions of what they think Fundies are and then attack on that basis, we are well-advised to stick with the statement of principles created by the World Congress of Fundamentalists itself. In this way, we can always point to it as authoritative, not something a bunch of online posters cobbled together on their own (and could have been inaccurate in so doing).

If that final paragraph, including the word militant, IS part of the Congress' definition, we should leave it unchanged but--in a following line--explain what we understand that word to mean to us.

An alternative could be to strike out the entire last paragraph as being simply an amplification of the principles outlined above it, but I would say we should not amend the thing or substitute a word for another.Not sure if my vote still counts here as I don't post much anymore. But I will throw in my two cents anyway. ;)

I agree with what Albion has said here. It would not be a good idea to mess with the Congress' statement. But an extra paragraph at the end with a further definition of the word militant would be excellent. Personally I am quite happy with the word being in the statement, but yes, as Julio pointed out, it can be misunderstood. We're soldiers, not terrorists.

[NewGuy101]

Not sure if my vote still counts here as I don't post much anymore. But I will throw in my two cents anyway. ;)

I agree with what Albion has said here. It would not be a good idea to mess with the Congress' statement. But an extra paragraph at the end with a further definition of the word militant would be excellent. Personally I am quite happy with the word being in the statement, but yes, as Julio pointed out, it can be misunderstood. We're soldiers, not terrorists.
No one posts here :P

I wish we could get more of the fundies over at CC come over here and post sometime.

[Vambram]

No one posts here :P

I wish we could get more of the fundies over at CC come over here and post sometime.
Sounds like we have a consensus here among the four of us Fundies to add to the paragraph about "militant" in order to better explain it. Oh, and I too want to see more of the Fundies from the CC forums come on over here to post, as well. :D

[Albion]

Sounds like we have a consensus here among the four of us Fundies to add to the paragraph about "militant" in order to better explain it. Oh, and I too want to see more of the Fundies from the CC forums come on over here to post, as well. :D

Hi, Vam. Well, in view of what you said here, why don't we see if we can come up with something. Let everyone of us fashion as short a statement as possible that explains that militancy is not terrorism (to quote Desmalia). But the shorter the better IMO. OTOH, I still prefer striking the paragraph altogether so as not to invite any evaluating of the word on the part of readers at all. But if that is not what others think best--omitting that paragraph--let's see what wording we can come up with so that we get the job done.

[desmalia]

Rough draft off the top of my head:
The word "militant" as used in the above statement refers to spiritual warfare, specifically, putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-20). It does not equate to dominance or force taken against individuals or groups of people.

[Albion]

In the paragraph in question: Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division

I'm not sure that there is any intention to refer there to putting on the whole armor of God. Bringing the Ephesians passage into this by ourselves could solve one problem but invite discord over how Ephesians itself is to be understood or interpreted.

It does seem to me that the idea behind "miliitant"was to be active in soulwinning, which is where we come in for the complaints. What people object to is to be being browbeaten, so I'd suggest (using your language as a basis) we consider only adding a comment something like this--

In accordance with the above statement, we consider all manner of intimidation to be inappropriate to soulwinning, whether directed at individuals or groups.

[IamRedeemed]

I haven't been real active here either, but whatever my two cents may be worth.......I couldn't agree more!

God bless

Personally I am quite happy with the word being in the statement, but yes, as Julio pointed out, it can be misunderstood. We're soldiers, not terrorists.

[desmalia]

In the paragraph in question: Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division

I'm not sure that there is any intention to refer there to putting on the whole armor of God. Bringing the Ephesians passage into this by ourselves could solve one problem but invite discord over how Ephesians itself is to be understood or interpreted.

It does seem to me that the idea behind "miliitant"was to be active in soulwinning, which is where we come in for the complaints. What people object to is to be being browbeaten, so I'd suggest (using your language as a basis) we consider only adding a comment something like this--

In accordance with the above statement, we consider all manner of intimidation to be inappropriate to soulwinning, whether directed at individuals or groups.
OK. So do you feel that people mix the idea of militant specifically with soul winning? I didn't, but then I don't take issue with the statement to begin with. And I know the purpose of this little ammendment is to help avoid future confusion for anyone else.

Regardless, your statement sounds fine to me.

[Albion]

OK. So do you feel that people mix the idea of militant specifically with soul winning? I didn't, but then I don't take issue with the statement to begin with. And I know the purpose of this little ammendment is to help avoid future confusion for anyone else.

Regardless, your statement sounds fine to me.

Hmmm. You do have a point. I was thinking that by putting it that way, our addition would seem to flow naturally from the preceding. However, it may be said that the statement doesn't specifically connect militancy with soulwinning, even though both are mentioned close together.

What if we replaced soulwinning with evangelizing? This would also cover the problem of professing Christians feeling browbeaten for not being the right kind of Christian. Soulwinning could mean only how we witness to non-believers, but it is not they who complain the most about the techniques used.

How about something like this--

Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

In so doing, we disavow any kind of intimidation used in evangelizing others, whether directed at individuals or groups.

[NewGuy101]

I know there isn't consensus on this, but I would really prefer if we just removed the word militant. It just isn't a good word for the postmodern. I'm not sure why we should stick to an organizations standard.

[HowardDean]

:scratch: I have read and agree with the definiton (I evne believe that God created the earth in 6 days), but I enjoy hanging around with leftists, though do not vote that way.
My vote varies.
I can keep politics and faith separate.
So somebody clue me in.

[Albion]

I know there isn't consensus on this, but I would really prefer if we just removed the word militant. It just isn't a good word for the postmodern. I'm not sure why we should stick to an organizations standard.

Sure. If we changed "a militant orthodoxy" to "an orthodoxy" it would read just fine. This would mean altering the statement of the Congress which until new we've been quoting, but if that's not a concern, OK.

[NewGuy101]

Sure. If we changed "a militant orthodoxy" to "an orthodoxy" it would read just fine. This would mean altering the statement of the Congress which until new we've been quoting, but if that's not a concern, OK.
I'm sorry but was that sarcasm? I don't get it.

:P


And we could substitute it for another word.

[NewGuy101]

:scratch: I have read and agree with the definiton (I evne believe that God created the earth in 6 days), but I enjoy hanging around with leftists, though do not vote that way.
My vote varies.
I can keep politics and faith separate.
So somebody clue me in.
Clue you in with what? I'm old earth and I agree sometimes with the left especially regarding issues of immagration. ;)

[Albion]

I'm sorry but was that sarcasm? I don't get it.

No, no sarcasm. I was agreeing with exactly what you said you favored...and saying that it is OK with me if that is what the forum members are for.

If we do as you suggested, and just omit the word miilitant,

we get this:


Therefore, Fundamentalism is a (omitted word) orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

That reads fine except that, as I suggested, we have to get the grammar right. We could say AN orthodoxy rather than A orthodoxy if we make this change. Even better though, I now think we should omit "is a" and let it stand like that (Therefore, Fundamentalism is orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal.).


This is how it would read if we do as you suggested and merely remove the word militant (along with making it read correctly when we do so).

If I have any reservation about doing this at all, it's simply that we would be tampering with a direct quote, which I thought we would do well to avoid.

By adding our own disclaimer or explanation at the bottom instead, we couldn't be accused of doing that. However, this may be such a minor point that it's not worth worrying about.

[desmalia]

The word "catholic" in the Nicene creed can be easily misunderstood. And sometimes it is. So that's why sites that support it often add a little disclaimer to explain. I much prefer this to changing the word altogether.

Julio, I understand why you brought this up and totally agree with the problem. I guess I just need you to convince me that we need to scrap or replace the word. It just doesn't sit right with me at this point.

Just throwing another idea out there... what if we hyperlink the word militant and anchor it to a definition that correctly represents it in context?

[Albion]

The word "catholic" in the Nicene creed can be easily misunderstood. And sometimes it is. So that's why sites that support it often add a little disclaimer to explain. I much prefer this to changing the word altogether.

Julio, I understand why you brought this up and totally agree with the problem. I guess I just need you to convince me that we need to scrap or replace the word. It just doesn't sit right with me at this point.

Just throwing another idea out there... what if we hyperlink the word militant and anchor it to a definition that correctly represents it in context?


Maybe that would be best of all!

Perhaps with a cut and paste we can all see how it would look. As I understand you, it would start like this (?)...

Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant* orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

*(link goes here)

Do you have a particular hyperlink in mind? If I understand the rest of what you wrote, your concern is over eliminating a perfectly good word just because some people misinterpret it. I felt more that we should not tamper with a direct quote as a matter of integrity. Either way, I like your suggestion here.

[desmalia]

Maybe that would be best of all!

Perhaps with a cut and paste we can all see how it would look. As I understand you, it would start like this (?)...

Therefore, Fundamentalism is a militant* orthodoxy with a soulwinning zeal. While Fundamentalists may differ on certain interpretations of Scripture, we join in unity of heart and common purpose for the defense of the Faith and the preaching of the Gospel, without compromise or division.

*(link goes here)

Do you have a particular hyperlink in mind? If I understand the rest of what you wrote, your concern is over eliminating a perfectly good word just because some people misinterpret it. I felt more that we should not tamper with a direct quote as a matter of integrity. Either way, I like your suggestion here.
And I totally agree with you on the matter of integrity as well. I don't like messing with a major document like this one.

Anyway, yes that is exactly what I was thinking of for the hyperlink. Now coming up with the definition... that's where the true challenge lies... I guess we'll need to first consider the audience. How is the word being misinterpreted? Are there several ways it can read, or just one?

[NewGuy101]

And I totally agree with you on the matter of integrity as well. I don't like messing with a major document like this one.

Anyway, yes that is exactly what I was thinking of for the hyperlink. Now coming up with the definition... that's where the true challenge lies... I guess we'll need to first consider the audience. How is the word being misinterpreted? Are there several ways it can read, or just one?
I'm sorry if I'm annoying to any of you here but I'm just trying to understand your attachment to this definition. Does it really matter what an organization labels something? Are they some how authoritative?

Also catholic, the sense of the word implies universal. Even if someone does misunderstand it, it wont have the reprocautions that a misunderstanding of the word militant. As fundies we are often accused of being legalistic and war like...we all know this isn't the truth. This is my worry with sticking with that word.

[desmalia]

I'm sorry if I'm annoying to any of you here but I'm just trying to understand your attachment to this definition. Does it really matter what an organization labels something? Are they some how authoritative?

Also catholic, the sense of the word implies universal. Even if someone does misunderstand it, it wont have the reprocautions that a misunderstanding of the word militant. As fundies we are often accused of being legalistic and war like...we all know this isn't the truth. This is my worry with sticking with that word.
Not annoying at all, brother. :)
I guess I just have issues with taking something official that has stood well on its own and redefining it. I don't feel I have the authority to do that. And I'm also concerned that if we start monkeying with it on this issue, what else is up for grabs next? It could get out of hand, and I'd hate to see that happen here. To me it seems best to keep it as is and then add comments at the bottom as needed. I do understand your issue with the word though, especially after all the persecution from the CC forum as of late. But I also believe that the word militant is generally twisted because of pre-existing attitudes much more so than because of confusion in the wording itself. Even if we take it out, there will still be accusations that we're warlike and legalistic.

[Albion]

I'm sorry if I'm annoying to any of you here but I'm just trying to understand your attachment to this definition. Does it really matter what an organization labels something? Are they some how authoritative?

Well, yes, they are.

Of course, we wouldn't be obligated to use their definition, but we already decided to. More important than that, we don't need to alter that statement in order to reach our objectives, so why do so?

Also catholic, the sense of the word implies universal. Even if someone does misunderstand it, it wont have the reprocautions that a misunderstanding of the word militant.

Unfortunately, it does. The repercussions with it are different, but no less vexing and controversial among those churches that make a lot out of the particular meanings attached to that word. Fundamentalists don't spar over the word Catholic much, but by the same token, Catholics don't have the provlem we do with Militant.

As fundies we are often accused of being legalistic and war like...we all know this isn't the truth. This is my worry with sticking with that word.

I understand. That is a consideration, all right. But we have now had several quite good and reasonable suggestions as to how to move ahead. How do you think that we can best approach the problem and still handle every area of concern, including the one about messing with a direct quote from the Congress? After all, there is not just the matter of whether we care what they say. If we keep all of their statement, we have an obligation IMO not to misquote them. That's a matter of doing what is right and ethical.

Using the asterisk and footnote seems to me to be a good way to accomplish everything we need, although I'd also support dropping the last paragraph -- which eliminates the word but keeps us quoting the part of the statement from the Congress that we present to readers -- or adding (as I suggested) a footnote of our own. None of these choices involves misquoting the Congress.

[Albion]

Even if we take it out, there will still be accusations that we're warlike and legalistic.

Another good point, Desmalia!

IOW, if we eliminate the word, we are not free from being called militant since that is the reputation Fundamenalists have with certain people. BUT if we keep it and give our own perspective on it, we have addressed the issue.
:thumbsup:

[NewGuy101]

Nothing ever happens...

=/

[Time2BCounted]

just curious
How many active members are here?

[NewGuy101]

just curious
How many active members are here?
very few :(

[IamRedeemed]

Amen, good post and points.

This is why the gays targeted the NIV. They figured, "Why not? It's worth a try,
after all, it's been compromised before, maybe we can get them to take out all of
the references to homosexuality too!"

Fortunately, that didn't work out.

Unfortunately though, someone else recently came out with a new "gay friendly" Bible.

God help that man, who apparently thinks that God has been invented by the minds of men,
and therefore His Words can be dictated to Him by us. YIKES! :prayer:

Anyway, my point is "militant" means the opposite of passive Christianity.
That is really all it means. It means a soldier in the army of God.
We shouldn't have to or should we attempt to, change that.

In the words of our friend Time, "God didn't give us the armor of God
so that we could put it on to go pick roses."


Not annoying at all, brother. :)
I guess I just have issues with taking something official that has stood well on its own and redefining it. I don't feel I have the authority to do that. And I'm also concerned that if we start monkeying with it on this issue, what else is up for grabs next? It could get out of hand, and I'd hate to see that happen here. To me it seems best to keep it as is and then add comments at the bottom as needed. I do understand your issue with the word though, especially after all the persecution from the CC forum as of late. But I also believe that the word militant is generally twisted because of pre-existing attitudes much more so than because of confusion in the wording itself. Even if we take it out, there will still be accusations that we're warlike and legalistic.

[desmalia]

very few :(
Yup. Probably three or for regs left. JR (Cubanito) pops in from time to time, as do I. Haven't seen Kobuk for a while but he's been one of the most active members here. A few of the regs are busy with school, etc. currently, but may be back here when they get time. There are no mods either, so that doesn't help things. Most fundies have left 4U because of what an ugly, corrupt mess it is. That's why I'm not around as much either these days.

Amen, good post and points.

This is why the gays targeted the NIV. They figured, "Why not? It's worth a try,
after all, it's been compromised before, maybe we can get them to take out all of
the references to homosexuality too!"

Fortunately, that didn't work out.

Unfortunately though, someone else recently came out with a new "gay friendly" Bible.

God help that man, who apparently thinks that God has been invented by the minds of men,
and therefore His Words can be dictated to Him by us. YIKES! :prayer:

Anyway, my point is "militant" means the opposite of passive Christianity.
That is really all it means. It means a soldier in the army of God.
We shouldn't have to or should we attempt to, change that.

In the words of our friend Time, "God didn't give us the armor of God
so that we could put it on to go pick roses."
:thumbsup:

[Vambram]

Amen, good post and points.

This is why the gays targeted the NIV. They figured, "Why not? It's worth a try,
after all, it's been compromised before, maybe we can get them to take out all of
the references to homosexuality too!"

Fortunately, that didn't work out.

Unfortunately though, someone else recently came out with a new "gay friendly" Bible.

God help that man, who apparently thinks that God has been invented by the minds of men,
and therefore His Words can be dictated to Him by us. YIKES! :prayer:

Anyway, my point is "militant" means the opposite of passive Christianity.
That is really all it means. It means a soldier in the army of God.
We shouldn't have to or should we attempt to, change that.

In the words of our friend Time, "God didn't give us the armor of God
so that we could put it on to go pick roses."


:amen: :preach: :groupray: :amen:

[NewGuy101]

All of us fundies should make more of an effort to be here and beautify our forum.

[IamRedeemed]

:groupray:




:thumbsup:

:amen: :preach: :groupray:

[IamRedeemed]

Whatcha sayin', you're ready for some :preach: to go on up in here? hehehe

I'm with you, we can make this place come alive.
There are few of us, but we're a pretty lively bunch!

http://pichostonline.com/u/071101/8121ae6381.gif


All of us fundies should make more of an effort to be here and beautify our forum.

[Vambram]

Whatcha sayin', you're ready for some :preach: to go on up in here? hehehe

I'm with you, we can make this place come alive.
There are few of us, but we're a pretty lively bunch!

http://pichostonline.com/u/071101/8121ae6381.gif


I stand ready to start and to enjoy some :preach: or Bible devotions with you all here on the Fundamentalists Forums.

Also, Although we are fundamentalists Christians that stand strongly with firm steadfast conviction upon the Fundamentals of the Faith; I am sure that there are lots of difficult to understand passages of Scripture in which we can discuss with each other, helping to answer each other's questions.

:wave: :groupray:

[NewGuy101]

I stand ready to start and to enjoy some :preach: or Bible devotions with you all here on the Fundamentalists Forums.

Also, Although we are fundamentalists Christians that stand strongly with firm steadfast conviction upon the Fundamentals of the Faith; I am sure that there are lots of difficult to understand passages of Scripture in which we can discuss with each other, helping to answer each other's questions.

:wave: :groupray:
Excellent point Vambram, discussing scripture is one of my fav. hobbies.. I hope I don't offend anyone with my crazy calvinist ways. :sorry:

[IamRedeemed]

I agree Vambram. Sounds good.
Newguy, Scripture is also one of my most favorite
past times! (incidently, I like roses better than tulips just fyi hehe:P)




I stand ready to start and to enjoy some :preach: or Bible devotions with you all here on the Fundamentalists Forums.

Also, Although we are fundamentalists Christians that stand strongly with firm steadfast conviction upon the Fundamentals of the Faith; I am sure that there are lots of difficult to understand passages of Scripture in which we can discuss with each other, helping to answer each other's questions.

:wave: :groupray:

Excellent point Vambram, discussing scripture is one of my fav. hobbies.. I hope I don't offend anyone with my crazy calvinist ways. :sorry:

[desmalia]

All of us fundies should make more of an effort to be here and beautify our forum.
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful


;) ^_^

[No Swansong]

Yup. Probably three or for regs left. JR (Cubanito) pops in from time to time, as do I. Haven't seen Kobuk for a while but he's been one of the most active members here. A few of the regs are busy with school, etc. currently, but may be back here when they get time. There are no mods either, so that doesn't help things. Most fundies have left 4U because of what an ugly, corrupt mess it is. That's why I'm not around as much either these days.


:thumbsup:
Some of us check in now and them.

[NewGuy101]

I agree Vambram. Sounds good.
Newguy, Scripture is also one of my most favorite
past times! (incidently, I like roses better than tulips just fyi hehe:P)




don't be hatin'

[IamRedeemed]

ROFL!!! :P:P:P:P:P

don't be hatin'

[IamRedeemed]

Hi jtbdad :hug::hug::hug:

I want to thank you for your support in some reports on my account on your own accord even.
I hardly know you so you can't be accused of bein' biased! Seeing your name above, brought it
to my memory that it was your name in there. Thanks so much!

God bless!


Some of us check in now and them.

[No Swansong]

You are welcome my friend.

[IamRedeemed]

http://dl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/195/195471foi4y59o14.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)

You are welcome my friend.

[Nadiine]

I'm here for Rollcall! lol

:cool: what happened to the cc area? It's eerily quiet over there this morning
:o

[No Swansong]

My guess is that they are "Behaving" themselves as defined by Sr. Staff. You can only sing Kumbaya so many times.

[No Swansong]

How are ya Nadiine?

[IamRedeemed]

LOL. Your sarcasm is a much welcomed humor this morning.
Much love to you in Christ, brother. :hug::hug::hug::hug:


My guess is that they are "Behaving" themselves as defined by Sr. Staff. You can only sing Kumbaya so many times.

[IamRedeemed]

Hiya sis! :wave:

:waves like a wild woman to Nadiine:

(I haven't been over there yet today....going to go and peek in now)

[Vambram]

I'm here for Rollcall! lol

what happened to the cc area? It's eerily quiet over there this morning



:wave: :clap: :wave: :thumbsup: :clap:

[Nadiine]

How are ya Nadiine?
So here's the crew! LOL,
Man, I thought the rapture happened & I was left behind over there in CC.
ROFLLLLLL sorry, bad humor to some that mite offend:o :P

HEY JT That cc area's turning back into what it was prior to the 'fallout'.... mite as well have just not went thru that whole "purging" process to start a new moderate forum, they're all coming back to cc as if they never left.
And back come the "fellowshippers" they attracted that we all objected to in the first place.
But, you can't speak up now..... :swoon: :help: :mad: :doh:

Uh, I'm not bitter - but just numb.

[Nadiine]

Hiya sis! :wave:

:waves like a wild woman to Nadiine:

(I haven't been over there yet today....going to go and peek in now)

Hay VamBram, hiya sissy!!!!!

Maybe we can populate this here area a little bit

[desmalia]

Hay VamBram, hiya sissy!!!!!

Maybe we can populate this here area a little bit
Yep! No probation over here! (YET)

[Nadiine]

Yep! No probation over here! (YET)
lol
Ya,.. we gotta get Steve over here too. He signed out yesterday too

[sageoffools]

I like to sign in as a fundamentalist! PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEE :prayer::prayer:

[Nadiine]

:wave: :wave:

[No Swansong]

So here's the crew! LOL,
Man, I thought the rapture happened & I was left behind over there in CC.
ROFLLLLLL sorry, bad humor to some that mite offend:o

HEY JT That cc area's turning back into what it was prior to the 'fallout'.... mite as well have just not went thru that whole "purging" process to start a new moderate forum, they're all coming back to cc as if they never left.
And back come the "fellowshippers" they attracted that we all objected to in the first place.
But, you can't speak up now..... :swoon: :help: :mad: :doh:

Uh, I'm not bitter - but just numb.
Yeah but since we have lost touch with reality who can trust the majority of the membership of the board to give an accurate account of our problems? I guess that's best left up to those who were told they couldn't be members, or those who joined only to "set the record straight."

[No Swansong]

I was so frustrated over this last night I started having seizures. (no I am not kidding high stress causes me to have seizures that is the reason I am on disability now and not out pulling drunks from their overturned cars)

[Vambram]

I like to sign in as a fundamentalist! PLEEEEAAASSSEEEEE
:amen: :wave: :clap: :thumbsup: :wave:

[NewGuy101]

If this ever gets updated for some reason please take me off this list. Thanks.

[No Swansong]

Hey NewGuy why Fundamentalist Churches?

[Nadiine]

Yeah but since we have lost touch with reality who can trust the majority of the membership of the board to give an accurate account of our problems? I guess that's best left up to those who were told they couldn't be members, or those who joined only to "set the record straight."

I was so frustrated over this last night I started having seizures. (no I am not kidding high stress causes me to have seizures that is the reason I am on disability now and not out pulling drunks from their overturned cars)

I'm sorry to hear about the seizures jtb - thats' got to be about scary! I feel bad about that for you big time.

It does look like all Lee's done is shift it back to the old CF system so far (real innovative - there was a reason we complained back then too.)
I don't know what he's going to fix at this stage if anything. I don't blame anybody for leaving & I'm going to check out CCF more & start posting there too. I think I joined it after Erwin's "vision" shift, but haven't posted there.

Anyways, hope to see you guys over there, or please check back here & there to see if anything GOOD has actually been done to this place -
it needs some serious LIGHT - altho I'm skeptical at this point now.
God bless you brother, God protect & Keep you & newguy & everyone doing another Exodus.
See U around ccf I hope.
:hug: :thumbsup: :hug:

[ContentInHim]

Hi y'all - sign me up. I have never liked Kumbaya. But I love believers! :hug:

[Nadiine]

Hi y'all - sign me up. I have never liked Kumbaya. But I love believers! :hug:
:thumbsup: :hug:

[Time2BCounted]

Got room in here for another fundy, or should i take the lable of lepper? lolol

Nah i wouldnt do that to you guys ;)

[Nadiine]

Got room in here for another fundy, or should i take the lable of lepper? lolol

Nah i wouldnt do that to you guys ;)
LOL 2 leppers is better than one

Grasshopper, page 54
^_^

[Time2BCounted]

Is this the forum that is obcessed with God and doctrine and the word? :D

<sniff sniff>

[No Swansong]

Come on in Time. Mommy and Daddy haven't started giving time outs for preaching the Gospel over here.

[Time2BCounted]

Heya dad how ya doing brother?

[desmalia]

Is this the forum that is obcessed with God and doctrine and the word? :D

<sniff sniff>


You betchya. But you must be militant to join us. Mwuahahahahaha. Think yer up for it? http://forum.kusadasi.biz/images/smilies/lmao.gif

[No Swansong]

I somehow suspect that Time and I could light up a street corner. Ever done any street corner evangelism Time?

[Time2BCounted]

You betchya. But you must be militant to join us. Mwuahahahahaha. Think yer up for it? http://forum.kusadasi.biz/images/smilies/lmao.gif
I'm armed to the teeth with the word Des :D


Dad, sure have, i did mission work too in inner cities. Interesting stuff lol, never a dull moment. I'll have to tell you about the sting i interrupted sometime lolol, its hillarious

[Nadiine]

You betchya. But you must be militant to join us. Mwuahahahahaha. Think yer up for it? http://forum.kusadasi.biz/images/smilies/lmao.gif
puts cammo, face paint & grabs M-16.

:pink: :ebil:

[Hentenza]

I already have my foxhole dug and an artillery by my side.:cool:

[Hentenza]

Got room in here for another fundy, or should i take the lable of lepper? lolol

Nah i wouldnt do that to you guys ;)

Well about time you found this forum.:P

Welcome bro!!! :wave:

[IamRedeemed]

Hello there Time, Hen, Des and Nadiine!
:hug::hug::hug::hug:
I don't have a lot of time to hang right now, but I thought I'd poke my head it for a minute or two.....

[desmalia]

Hello there Time, Hen, Des and Nadiine!
:hug::hug::hug:
I don't have a lot of time to hang right now, but I thought I'd poke my head it for a minute or two.....
:wave: :hug: Hey, sis!

[Hentenza]

Hello there Time, Hen, Des and Nadiine!
:hug::hug::hug::hug:
I don't have a lot of time to hang right now, but I thought I'd poke my head it for a minute or two.....

Hey IaR!!!!!:wave::wave::wave:

[Nadiine]

Hello there Time, Hen, Des and Nadiine!
:hug::hug::hug::hug:
I don't have a lot of time to hang right now, but I thought I'd poke my head it for a minute or two.....
BIG huggies!!
:hug: :hug: :hug:

[IamRedeemed]

Hi!!!

http://dl7.glitter-graphics.net/pub/2/2057fp3sb49bp5.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)


Hey IaR!!!!!:wave:

BIG huggies!!
:hug:

:wave: :hug: Hey, sis!

[desmalia]

Hent, it's so nice to see you here, bro!
How are you doing? How is it going modding the CC forum? Must be very challenging at times right now.

[Hentenza]

Hent, it's so nice to see you here, bro!
How are you doing? How is it going modding the CC forum? Must be very challenging at times right now.

Hey Des,

Yes, is keeping me pretty busy so I haven't posted here in a while.

Sheesh, we lost a ton of the good fundie folks back in July and this place hasn't been the same since. Maybe we can bring it back.;)

[Time2BCounted]

Well about time you found this forum.:P

Welcome bro!!! :wave:
Heya Henry how ya doing brother?

[desmalia]

Hey Des,

Yes, is keeping me pretty busy so I haven't posted here in a while.

Sheesh, we lost a ton of the good fundie folks back in July and this place hasn't been the same since. Maybe we can bring it back.;)
I can imagine!

We sure did lose a lot of goodies in July. I'd love to see them back again. No idea how to do that though. I suspect many have not looked back. (Maybe they were right though...)

[Time2BCounted]

Well we got a bunch of us here lol

Reps for everyone lol

[desmalia]

Well we got a bunch of us here lol

Reps for everyone lol
Is that like a round of beers?
lol

[Time2BCounted]

Is that like a round of beers?
lol
All around, on me ;)

[desmalia]

All around, on me ;)
Wooohoo, Canadian, I hope! :clap:

[Nadiine]

I already have my foxhole dug and an artillery by my side.:cool:
LOL Hen :hug:

[Hentenza]

Hey Nadiine!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wave::hug:

[Time2BCounted]

Barkeep serve ye up every soul their pleasure, and bring me yer best rum. Round ye up the scervie ranks and lets toast the stars tonight. We be pilerfin our filthy black guts out tonight... o scuze the captain jack

[desmalia]

puts cammo, face paint & grabs M-16.

:pink: :ebil:
That sounds so funny next to the cute pink and blue smilies! Hehe.

How about this one:
http://www.biblicalfundamentalist.com/images/biblical_fundamentalist.gif
Ain't nothin more militant than that!!!

[Time2BCounted]

That sounds so funny next to the cute pink and blue smilies! Hehe.

How about this one:
http://www.biblicalfundamentalist.com/images/biblical_fundamentalist.gif
Ain't nothin more militant than that!!!


LOCK N LOAD

[Vambram]

:wave:

Well, it sure is great to see all of the fundamentalist Christians from the CC forums coming over here. This independent baptist fundamentalist joins in with all of the other fundamentalist christians and I want for this forum to be a place where all of us can freely discuss doctrine, scriptures, difficult to understand portions of scriptures, and yes, lets go ahead and talk a bit about politics and cultural issues too. :thumbsup:

Again, its great to see more conservative fundamentalist christians posting in this forum. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Time2BCounted]

:wave:

Well, it sure is great to see all of the fundamentalist Christians from the CC forums coming over here. This independent baptist fundamentalist joins in with all of the other fundamentalist christians and I want for this forum to be a place where all of us can freely discuss doctrine, scriptures, difficult to understand portions of scriptures, and yes, lets go ahead and talk a bit about politics and cultural issues too. :thumbsup:

Again, its great to see more conservative fundamentalist christians posting in this forum. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Amen a brother after my own heart, good to fellowship with you, you fundamental baptist? :D

Im fundy nondenom with heavy baptist and messianic jewish influance lol (ok maybe a little charismatic too lol)

Ive always enjoyed your posts brother

[Vambram]

Amen a brother after my own heart, good to fellowship with you, you fundamental baptist? :D

Im fundy nondenom with heavy baptist and messianic jewish influance lol (ok maybe a little charismatic too lol)

Ive always enjoyed your posts brother


:thumbsup: :groupray: :amen:

[IamRedeemed]

:preach::amen::clap::thumbsup:


That sounds so funny next to the cute pink and blue smilies! Hehe.

How about this one:
http://www.biblicalfundamentalist.com/images/biblical_fundamentalist.gif
Ain't nothin more militant than that!!!

LOCK N LOAD

[IamRedeemed]

Okay, I am dressed and ready! :thumbsup:

Christian Soldiers in the Army of God......
time to rise and march onward!

[Vambram]

Okay, I am dressed and ready! :thumbsup:

Christian Soldiers in the Army of God......
time to rise and march onward!




WooooT!!! I Like the new armor and clothing on your avatar. :cool: :clap: :groupray:

[Nadiine]

Okay, I am dressed and ready! :thumbsup:

Christian Soldiers in the Army of God......
time to rise and march onward!



UH OH! I guess I better gear up too... :holy:

[Time2BCounted]

IaR ya look like a real lady of God there gurl

...Nadiine do ya need to go shopping? lol

[Nadiine]

IaR ya look like a real lady of God there gurl

...Nadiine do ya need to go shopping? lol
virtual shopping lol

=)~ where are you posting at? can't find U

[Time2BCounted]

virtual shopping lol

=)~ where are you posting at? can't find U
Ive been taking a little time off, just getting a few things done and thinking. Ok, now we are coming into my specialty, Can i pick your gear and sit while you try everything on? lolol I got your camo and gear, You can buy the coffee lol

I'm thinking of a study on matthew 13, whatcha think?

[sageoffools]

The claws are out for the fight!

[Nadiine]

Ive been taking a little time off, just getting a few things done and thinking. Ok, now we are coming into my specialty, Can i pick your gear and sit while you try everything on? lolol I got your camo and gear, You can buy the coffee lol

I'm thinking of a study on matthew 13, whatcha think?
The parable of the sower? That would be kool. You should post the thread in this forum & the ND one =)~

I have to finish up some work, I hope to be back later.

Oh, don't worry about the battle gear, I'll find some when I get time - something militant & appropriate lol
:D:P

[Time2BCounted]

The claws are out for the fight!
Sage of Wolverine its good to see you bro

[Nadiine]

I'll be posting in here more or Non Denom due to "recent events".

[sageoffools]

Sage of Wolverine its good to see you bro
:D lol
Thanks, likewise!

Boy, it's been pretty quiet around the Forum today!

[IamRedeemed]

Thanks Peeps. lol :groupray:



WooooT!!! I Like the new armor and clothing on your avatar. :cool: :clap: :groupray:

IaR ya look like a real lady of God there gurl

...Nadiine do ya need to go shopping? lol

[Time2BCounted]

I'll be posting in here more or Non Denom due to "recent events".
Yes we got the X-Men going on here, all the mutant fundies banded together in a last stand on God's word, so i know youre not gonna miss the action lol.

I would like to place before everyone the suggestion we call our little findy group "The X-Men", and everyone has to make up their name lol

[Time2BCounted]

:D lol
Thanks, likewise!

Boy, it's been pretty quiet around the Forum today!
Yes dont worry that prolly wont last lol, Enjoy it :D

[Time2BCounted]

Thanks Peeps. lol :groupray:
ARF ARF ARF

[desmalia]

Yes we got the X-Men going on here, all the mutant fundies banded together in a last stand on God's word, so i know youre not gonna miss the action lol.

I would like to place before everyone the suggestion we call our little findy group "The X-Men", and everyone has to make up their name lol
Cool, love the X-men!

Just call me des(ert?) Storm.

http://www.canmag.com/images/front/xmen/promo2-storm.jpg

[sageoffools]

Yes we got the X-Men going on here, all the mutant fundies banded together in a last stand on God's word, so i know youre not gonna miss the action lol.

I would like to place before everyone the suggestion we call our little findy group "The X-Men", and everyone has to make up their name lol

I believe you have already dubbed me...Sage of Wolverines.
(Course, I don't have that cool pointy hair!)

[sageoffools]

I'll be posting in here more or Non Denom due to "recent events".

:scratch: Did I miss something...again?:confused::swoon:

[IamRedeemed]

You can buy some! hahahaha!

I believe you have already dubbed me...Sage of Wolverines.
(Course, I don't have that cool pointy hair!)

[Time2BCounted]

ok we got wolverine and storm


Hmm i dont have eyes like lazers, dont have a devil tail, dont have power over fire, or a psychomantium, i will claim MAGNETISM lolol... ok Magneto... Since Nadiine is kinda a bad gurl she has to be mystique lol

Wheres des, shes a natural rogue lol

New Guy can be the lazer eyed dude and Vambram can be the brain with the psychomantium. We need more mutants lol

...NAH everyone pick their own name :P

WHERES THE MUTANTS???

[Nadiine]

Hay, this forum needs a MANLY MEN THREAD!

rofl
(somehow I don't think the videos will go over as well in that one). :ebil: :doh:

[daniel777]

mystery men.....

mr. furious.
:P

[NewGuy101]

ok we got wolverine and storm


Hmm i dont have eyes like lazers, dont have a devil tail, dont have power over fire, or a psychomantium, i will claim MAGNETISM lolol... ok Magneto... Since Nadiine is kinda a bad gurl she has to be mystique lol

Wheres des, shes a natural rogue lol

New Guy can be the lazer eyed dude and Vambram can be the brain with the psychomantium. We need more mutants lol

...NAH everyone pick their own name :P


WHERES THE MUTANTS???

newguy wants to be cyclops!

[desmalia]

Wheres des, shes a natural rogue lol



Aw, thanks! :blush:
I could be Rogue instead if ya like... I do like the idea of being able to suck people's powers out of them... rofl.

[Nadiine]

Well the poop's hit the fan on the CC Sign in thread.

there she blows..............

[ContentInHim]

:wave:

Well, it sure is great to see all of the fundamentalist Christians from the CC forums coming over here. This independent baptist fundamentalist joins in with all of the other fundamentalist christians and I want for this forum to be a place where all of us can freely discuss doctrine, scriptures, difficult to understand portions of scriptures, and yes, lets go ahead and talk a bit about politics and cultural issues too. :thumbsup:

Again, its great to see more conservative fundamentalist christians posting in this forum. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Sounds wonderful to me. :clap:

Hope we won't have baggage drifting over from the ashes of CC.

[ContentInHim]

Well the poop's hit the fan on the CC Sign in thread.

there she blows..............
I pm'd with IAR and nothing's been done or probably going to be done. :scratch: :swoon:

[Time2BCounted]

Well the poop's hit the fan on the CC Sign in thread.

there she blows..............
uh oh

[Nadiine]

I pm'd with IAR and nothing's been done or probably going to be done. :scratch: :swoon:
Well one of my posts on that thread got reported, which I didn't see as any violation -- after I saw that, I saw no reason to even leave my name on that list; the area is just an albatross anymore.
no thank you.

[desmalia]

Well the poop's hit the fan on the CC Sign in thread.

there she blows..............
Interesting that they left that thead open during probation, huh?

[Nadiine]

Interesting that they left that thead open during probation, huh?
alot of things are "interesting" around here Des. lol


*suspicious look*

[IamRedeemed]

Well the poop's hit the fan on the CC Sign in thread.

there she blows..............

ROFL!!! Your expressions crack me up! lol

Sounds wonderful to me. :clap:

Hope we won't have baggage drifting over from the ashes of CC.


Yes thank you... hello??!

I pm'd with IAR and nothing's been done or probably going to be done. :scratch: :swoon:


Oh something's being done. My post has been singled out as a possible violation because I posted after a mod hat along with 15 other posts must have been that are still there for some odd reason... hmmm


Well one of my posts on that thread got reported, which I didn't see as any violation -- after I saw that, I saw no reason to even leave my name on that list; the area is just an albatross anymore.
no thank you.

You know it took a lot to make Nadiine leave.

Interesting that they left that thead open during probation, huh?


:sorry:

[IamRedeemed]

ROFL!!!! Thanks needed that laugh!

alot of things are "interesting" around here Des. lol


*suspicious look*

[desmalia]

alot of things are "interesting" around here Des. lol


*suspicious look*
That's for sure. :sigh:

[Time2BCounted]

Well one of my posts on that thread got reported, which I didn't see as any violation -- after I saw that, I saw no reason to even leave my name on that list; the area is just an albatross anymore.
no thank you.
I hear ya, Albatross is a good word

[Time2BCounted]

ROFL!!!! Thanks needed that laugh!
Theres a lotta that lately isnt there? It feels GOOD :D

[Nadiine]

I hear ya, Albatross is a good word
You're next to sign out Time.

(you could do it now if you wanted couldn't you? Does an FSB allow you to leave?)

[ContentInHim]

You're next to sign out Time.

(you could do it now if you wanted couldn't you? Does an FSB allow you to leave?)
SNORK! - Waaaaa! Iced Tea EVERYWHERE! :D

[Time2BCounted]

You're next to sign out Time.

(you could do it now if you wanted couldn't you? Does an FSB allow you to leave?)
Heck i dunno... wanna ask someone for me? lol

[Nadiine]

Heck i dunno... wanna ask someone for me? lol
Ask Jim in a pm, I about promise you he'll give you special permission to make just ONE POST in cc during your FSB.
:ebil: :P ^_^

[Nadiine]

SNORK! - Waaaaa! Iced Tea EVERYWHERE! :D
:holy: :sorry:

I hafta say, I almost wish now that I'd signed out of cc a few wks ago - gotta love hind sight.:swoon: :tutu:

[Time2BCounted]

Ask Jim in a pm, I about promise you he'll give you special permission to make just ONE POST in cc during your FSB.
:ebil: :P ^_^
I'm gonna do that now lol

[Vambram]

ok we got wolverine and storm


Hmm i dont have eyes like lazers, dont have a devil tail, dont have power over fire, or a psychomantium, i will claim MAGNETISM lolol... ok Magneto... Since Nadiine is kinda a bad gurl she has to be mystique lol

Wheres des, shes a natural rogue lol

New Guy can be the lazer eyed dude and Vambram can be the brain with the psychomantium. We need more mutants lol

...NAH everyone pick their own name


What the heck is a pyschomantium?? :scratch:
However, along with the X-Men theme (whom happen to be one of my most favorite comic books and movies), then yeah, I shall be Professor Xavier. His powers are telepathy with an almost limitless range to the telepathy :D , mind control :ebil: , along with a weak amount of telekinesis. Plus, he was the founder and teacher to his students, the X-Men. Also, ya gotta admit, that Patrick Stewart helped make bald look sexy. :P

Sooo, howzabout Professor V for a nickname? *grins*

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Xaviermovie.jpg

[Nadiine]

What the heck is a pyschomantium?? :scratch:
However, along with the X-Men theme (whom happen to be one of my most favorite comic books and movies), then yeah, I shall be Professor Xavier. His powers are telepathy with an almost limitless range to the telepathy :D , mind control :ebil: , along with a weak amount of telekinesis. Plus, he was the founder and teacher to his students, the X-Men. Also, ya gotta admit, that Patrick Stewart helped make bald look sexy. :P

Sooo, howzabout Professor V for a nickname? *grins*

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Xaviermovie.jpg
Ok, so you want to be a superhero... with the super power of..... being in a wheelchair??

:scratch:









:confused:

[Vambram]

*chuckles*
No, hun. Read the rest of my post. :):):)
Professor X has vast telepathic and mental super powers. :hug: :hug:

[Nadiine]

*chuckles*
No, hun. Read the rest of my post. :):):)
Professor X has vast telepathic and mental super powers. :hug: :hug:
I'd hope so, becuz he's bound to a wheelchair....

=0)

[Time2BCounted]

I'd hope so, becuz he's bound to a wheelchair....

=0)
LOLOL

[desmalia]

Also, ya gotta admit, that Patrick Stewart helped make bald look sexy. :P


Ya, I'll admit that. :D