Am I allowed to post or debate in here?

[PaladinGirl]

Hi everyone. :wave: I am a self-described Evangelical Progressive Christian. Am I allowed to post or debate in here? I hold to many conservative Christian viewpoints.

[nyj]

Yesterday in the Liberal forum, you advocated for gay clergy. That's not a conservative position. Less than two weeks ago in the Liberal forum you also said you were pro-choice. That is also not a conservative position. As these are positions diametrically opposed to conservative tenets, I'd say you should be limited to fellowship only here.

You can't be a member in full standing in every Congregational Forum. It's impossible. You need to decide.

[NewGuy101]

You must adhere to this...

http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860-wiki-conservative-christians-forum.html

BY NYJ's description it doesn't seem like you could be an official member....

[Letalis]

You can post fellowship or ask questions, but you can't debate in this forum.

[Ishida]

Can only those with the elephant debate?

[Tangeloper]

Can only those with the elephant debate?

Considering that this isn't an exclusively American forum, the answer is an obvious no...

However, this forum is limited to discussion among conservatives (most of whom, if they live in the U.S., align themselves with the Republican party -- but not all American conservatives are members of the Republican party -- for instance, myself who is currently an independent).

I will say that most (all?) who belong to the Democrat party (the donkey) in the U.S. describe themselves as Liberal (and hold liberal viewpoints), and therefore should not be posting on this particular board. (I'm obviously not a moderator, so other members please correct me if I'm wrong...)

Also, we now have a debate sub-forum and any debate between liberal/conservative ideas should be done only on that board. At least that is how I understand it.

~~ Tangeloper

[Keenan]

You may disagree on some things but I hope you stay and post. We don't spread our faith by driving people off. *nudge nudge* ;)

[PaladinGirl]

You can post fellowship or ask questions, but you can't debate in this forum.
Thank you for this simple and concise answer. I suspected as much. All well, I figured that my standing as an Evangelical would allow me to debate in here but all well.

[Miss Shelby]

Thank you for this simple and concise answer. I suspected as much. All well, I figured that my standing as an Evangelical would allow me to debate in here but all well.
I think that the Liberal Catholic forum suffices for debating purposes as far as you go.

[Macrina]

Hey there. :wave:

I would suggest that you stay within the fellowship threads for the time being, while you are figuring out what you believe. I'm glad to see your current icon, though. :thumbsup:

I mentioned in another thread that the word "evangelical" gets defined in a lot of different ways depending on context. So I try not to get too caught up in labeling. On the other hand, for forums like this one, there's a need to do some categorization.

:)

[Letalis]

I think that the Liberal Catholic forum suffices for debating purposes as far as you go.
She's evangelical.

[nyj]

She's evangelical.Which means she could reasonably post in both the Evangelical and Liberal fora.

Of course, last week she was Catholic ... but I suppose that's neither here nor there?

[Miss Shelby]

She's evangelical.
Holly is whatever suits Holly's particular whim for the moment.

[Macrina]

Holly is whatever suits Holly's particular whim for the moment.

I think Holly is welcome here for fellowship while she is figuring the rest of this out.



For right now, Holly, I recommend focusing just on being Christian, not on what particular subset of Christian. Enjoy fellowship with brothers and sisters in the faith and don't feel like you need to have an immediate stance and label for everything. It's okay to "just" be Christian and explore the faith from there. :hug:

[nyj]

I think Holly is welcome here for fellowship while she is figuring the rest of this out.I would, and I think everyone else would, agree.

[Miss Shelby]

I think Holly is welcome here for fellowship I didn't dispute this.

[Lisa0315]

Fellowship only, I agree.

Lisa

[Macrina]

I didn't dispute this.

I didn't say you did. :)

I was just making sure that Holly realized that our excluding her from debate didn't mean she couldn't come around for fellowship. I wanted to be sure that was clear.

Holly, you can also ask questions if there are things that you are curious about our beliefs -- we welcome questions from others that are offered in good faith and without the intent to debate. :)

[Miss Shelby]

nevermind.

[MrJim]

I remember Holly from the chaotic catholic days last year...didn't make the connection :)

[PaladinGirl]

Well I have reverted back to being a Conservative Christian so I am sure I can debate in here now. And no, I didn't revert back to Conservative Christianity just so I could debate in here. In fact, that had nothing to do with my reversion. I just simply cannot bring myself to agree with most liberal ideals anymore.

[Voegelin]

the Liberal Catholic forum

It is a wonderful forum, isn't it? I highly recommend everyone take a look. Ecumenicism in action. Who would have thought Unitarian-Universalists and Catholics would agree on so many issues?

[Tangeloper]

Well I have reverted back to being a Conservative Christian so I am sure I can debate in here now. And no, I didn't revert back to Conservative Christianity just so I could debate in here. In fact, that had nothing to do with my reversion. I just simply cannot bring myself to agree with most liberal ideals anymore.

Someone brought up the fact that you advocated for gay clergy within the last few days. Has your perspective changed that quickly? Someone also mentioned that you claimed to be a Catholic, and then in this thread you claimed to be an Evangelical. :scratch:

I'm sorry, and I don't mean to offend you (seriously), but I'm a little wary of people who seem to flip-flop on issues as important as Gay Clergy and which church they belong to -- especially Catholicism to Evangelism (and apparently back again???). I'm not suggesting a person can't change his/her mind and/or denomination, or come to a realization they were wrong about issues or ideas. These are just such serious issues and decisions, and one doesn't change one's world-view overnight! :doh:

Also, were you not a Democrat when you first posted this thread? I see now you have switched to the Republican icon... Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I am correct that you have switched political party icons. :scratch:

I don't mind you asking questions, or posting for fellowship here, but in my experience one does not wake up one day and decide they are no longer a liberal or Democrat. :doh:

If you are being honest with us -- would you mind perhaps sharing which views of yours have changed, and how or WHY you have had such a change of heart within the last few days?

~~ Tangeloper

[Albion]

Hi everyone. :wave: I am a self-described Evangelical Progressive Christian. Am I allowed to post or debate in here? I hold to many conservative Christian viewpoints.

If you are a Progressive, you are not a Conservative, that's right.

[CyberPaladin]

I really don't know what to make of Peacelover02 I thought she was Mormon till she posted this thread, because of what she posted in the news & current event forum awhile back. She said she was thinking about going and doing missions work for the mormons.

[Tangeloper]

If you are a Progressive, you are not a Conservative, that's right.

No kidding, eh??? Also curious to me as a former Catholic is that she described herself as an Evangelical as well. When I was growing up (again, as a Catholic) that was like two different worlds! :scratch:

I really don't want to sound cruel, but judging from PeaceLover's last post, it seems she has a dual-personality... (I think I smell a troll -- and one who doesn't think any of us are intelligent or observant, either. :sigh: )

I really don't like being played, or when others misrepresent themselves... IMO, that's not a very Christian thing to do...

~~ Tangeloper

[Albion]

No kidding, eh??? Also curious to me as a former Catholic is that she described herself as an Evangelical as well. When I was growing up (again, as a Catholic) that was like two different worlds! :scratch:



All that you are thinking about this seems correct to me. But I'd simply point out that she has clarified for us by her own self-description that she is not a conservative Christian.

That's all that we need for answering her question about posting.

We do not need to evaluate if there is some fooling with us going on or if she's merely changed her belief significantly several times in recent days. Taking what she says about her own views at face value, she has said that she is not a conservative Christian and that is that.

As such, no debating...but yes, questions of us are OK.

[Tangeloper]

All that you are thinking about this seems correct to me. But I'd simply point out that she has clarified for us by her own self-description that she is not a conservative Christian.

That's all that we need for answering her question about posting.

I do agree with you...

We do not need to evaluate if there is some fooling with us going on or if she's merely changed her belief significantly several times in recent days. Taking what she says about her own views at face value, she has said that she is not a conservative Christian and that is that.

The reason I was responding with all the numerous questions and observations is due to her most recent posting. She is now claiming to be a conservative Christian and wants to become a full-fledged member of the group based on her claims of "reversion". (Not only that, but she has changed her political party icon as well -- at least I'm pretty sure she had the Dem icon when she first posted this thread, hence the comment about the elephant in post #3).

I don't know if you saw what she wrote tonight or not, but if you didn't, here is her comment:
Well I have reverted back to being a Conservative Christian so I am sure I can debate in here now. And no, I didn't revert back to Conservative Christianity just so I could debate in here. In fact, that had nothing to do with my reversion. I just simply cannot bring myself to agree with most liberal ideals anymore.

Honestly, I think it would be a good thing for her to ask questions in here, because she seems to be very confused about what she believes and why...

I think she is being dishonest with us, and perhaps herself. As a matter of fact, I think I will say an extra prayer for her tonight. It would seem to me that she is someone who is having some deep-seated troubles no matter what her real beliefs are... :(

[Albion]

This is a perfect example, it seems to me, why setting a date of October, November, or even 2008 for closing the membership list is asking for trouble.

We see now a person changing her self-description several times in a day in order to adjust to our explanations of what a CC is and is not. So we have a competition going on. But if we were to finalize the initial roll and decide on how new members were to be received thereafter, we would have a firm procedure. Instead we have the identity of the poster being reinvented, with the intention of admitting herself, in effect, as a founding member, having extracted the right words to use from conversations with us.

[Tangeloper]

I definitely agree with you Albion, and that is why I have also made a decision tonight, and will be voting in the membership poll right now (which I might also add, I saw earlier that PeaceLover02 has decided to vote in that poll).

[ContentInHim]

Scriptures speak of being double-minded. It's not a particularly good thing! :(

[MrJim]

I don't think she does this stuff out of malice, she's just a confused kid that needs some real guidance, and not the internet kind.

[ContentInHim]

I agree, Mr. Jim.

At the same time, some boundaries must be laid and kept to. We all know what "no boundaries" results in. :eek:

[CyberPaladin]

Ablion I agree with you that we need to close open membership soon otherwise this trend will continue and get worse . We also need to establish some policy to revoke memberships because it's only a matter of time before people start creating sock puppet accounts so can get membership and cause trouble.

Tangeloper I'm pretty sure she had the Demoract icon as well when she started the thread.

[MrJim]

I agree, Mr. Jim.

At the same time, some boundaries must be laid and kept to. We all know what "no boundaries" results in. :eek:


^_^

[CyberPaladin]

I don't think she does this stuff out of malice, she's just a confused kid that needs some real guidance, and not the internet kind.
I also agree with you.

[Lisa0315]

This is a perfect example, it seems to me, why setting a date of October, November, or even 2008 for closing the membership list is asking for trouble.

We see now a person changing her self-description several times in a day in order to adjust to our explanations of what a CC is and is not. So we have a competition going on. But if we were to finalize the initial roll and decide on how new members were to be received thereafter, we would have a firm procedure. Instead we have the identity of the poster being reinvented, with the intention of admitting herself, in effect, as a founding member, having extracted the right words to use from conversations with us.

Well, the sad thing is that this happens so frequently. I now change my opinion and say let her in. She obviously wants to "belong", so let her. What harm can it cause?

Lisa

[MrJim]

Well, the sad thing is that this happens so frequently. I now change my opinion and say let her in. She obviously wants to "belong", so let her. What harm can it cause?

Lisa

'cause tomorrow she'll be an agnostic universalist...she can fellowship but being on the rolls anywhere is probably not a good idea. She needs some real personal care~

[Lisa0315]

'cause tomorrow she'll be an agnostic universalist...she can fellowship but being on the rolls anywhere is probably not a good idea. She needs some real personal care~

I know that. I am just moved by compassion for her, and who knows, maybe, if we accept her, the Lord will use us to help her. That is all I am saying.

She is a special case...not one that we will run into often, and not one that I am sure our rules should apply to. I think in this case we need to be flexible.

Lisa

[MrJim]

I know that. I am just moved by compassion for her, and who knows, maybe, if we accept her, the Lord will use us to help her. That is all I am saying.

She is a special case...not one that we will run into often, and not one that I am sure our rules should apply to. I think in this case we need to be flexible.

Lisa

:D I bet you adopt all the stray kittens too:hug:

[Lisa0315]

:D I bet you adopt all the stray kittens too:hug:

If you only knew...Let's see in the last 21 years of marriage, I have picked up 4 stray dogs, and every time was an absolute disaster! I can't help it though. I have promised my husband that I wouldn't do it again, but just a couple of weeks ago, I saw a puppy running on a very busy road, and I pulled over. He ran away into the woods, so I didn't bring him home. It is a good thing. My husband would have been so mad at me.

Oh, and I forgot...I also picked up three newborn kittens once. Someone had set them out. We had just gotten a new kitten who was about 8 weeks old. He looked like a monster compared to these iddy biddy ones.

Lisa

[Albion]

Well, the sad thing is that this happens so frequently. I now change my opinion and say let her in. She obviously wants to "belong", so let her. What harm can it cause?

Lisa

In the case of one, possibly confused person, maybe little. I wouldn't say "nothing," because I have witnessed one provocateur keeping entire threads tied in knots by attacking and questioning the views of the forum's members.

But possibly the consequence here would be small, assuming, of course, that the poster in question is merely going through some changes. I find this hard to believe, frankly, that one could go from Catholic to nominal, non-practicing Catholic attending a Protestant church, to an Evangelical to a Progressive to a Moderate Catholic to a Conservative on some issues to being a Conservative Christian...in the course of two days! (not to mention the Mormon and political party changes). But let's let that pass in order to answer your question.

We would have to be amazingly lucky not to find that your hand of generosity, extended in the face of a clearly non-CC suddenly attuning herself to what we are, does NOT cause others and their friends to also climb on board and take advantage of easy rules interpretations, making this forum just a jam pile of liberal-moderate-conservative dispute. That's always what one gets when there are no or almost no rules prohibiting it.

Given all that is known in this case, why would a Mod not at least restrict her to posting for questions and fellowship purposes only for enough time to be able to see if membership is warranted?

Until we see a track record?


She's already voting in membership polls as a self-appointed member, so there's not going to be any self-imposed restraint as had been suggested earlier.

[CyberPaladin]

If we are going to start making exceptions already then we might as well do away with the membership requirements altogther because before long we are going to have so many exceptions that the membership that the guidelines will mean nothing.

[Letalis]

Well, the sad thing is that this happens so frequently. I now change my opinion and say let her in. She obviously wants to "belong", so let her. What harm can it cause?

Lisa
I don't think so.

We should allow fellowship, but the buck stops there.

[Albion]

I know that. I am just moved by compassion for her, and who knows, maybe, if we accept her, the Lord will use us to help her. That is all I am saying.

She is a special case...not one that we will run into often, and not one that I am sure our rules should apply to. I think in this case we need to be flexible.

Lisa

I think that you were elected with a strong vote of support from the membership because you were expected to assume the difficult duties of a Moderator. That means doing what is right according to the forum rules and for the good of the whole forum. Setting your own feelings somewhat aside. Your compassion is admirable and quite possibly warranted for you as an individual, but you are being counted upon by us to be a Moderator. And I would say again that establishing a trial period is not unfair or unkind.

[Albion]

Well, the sad thing is that this happens so frequently. I now change my opinion and say let her in. She obviously wants to "belong", so let her. What harm can it cause?

Lisa

"Wants to belong" is the requirement for membership? This mocks all the work we did on getting the statement/rules fair and sufficiently broad without being too loose, etc.

[Letalis]

This has been going on for a year or more. Other congregation forums have had their generosity taken advantage of.

We shouldn't encourage this.

[Miss Shelby]

I realize I am the resident big meanie weenie head but I am one of the people very familiar with Holly's posting history. I agree with Letalis, except that it hasn't been going on for more than a year, it's been going on for close to 4 years.

Holly has changed her denominational affilation to every Christian option under the sun. She adamantly states she's against abortion one day, the next day she claims she's a liberal Christian and women should have the right to choose. She has also been baptized into the Mormon faith, the last time she 'left' Catholicism. So she says. She's also adopted the Muslim faith. Every time she flips, she says hostile things about the faith that she's 'left'--

I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt and believe that she's ill. I think she gets a 'high' from all of the positive, coddly attention ( OH let's welcome her, she's just searching)--attention, and when it fades, she goes and looks for it somewhere else.

Each time she does this, there are new people around, not familiar with her modus operandi, and they coddle her. And she gets the 'high' again. This always brings on an arguement amongst people familiar with her against those who are not.

It's a cycle and she's been doing this for four years. So it's understandable why a lot of people have lost patience for her.

My opinion is that she should be ignored, for her own good. I believe in forgiveness 70x7 but I do not believe in putting up with unaccepatable beahvior 70x7. Holly needs help she can't get from the web, and as long as people are going to give her even the slightest bit of postiive attention... (she's not mean, just confused, let her stay)-- she isn't going to get better.

Michelle

[Lisa0315]

Okay, okay, okay...I bow to the will of the people...

I am not officially a mod yet, not until Monday, I think, but I get the point.

Believe me, I have seen this person agree with me, then, disagree with me on the same point within the same thread. I have seen this person go from staunch Catholic to agnostic and back again. I just feel sorry for her, that is all.

Naturally, the rules are what should govern here not sentimentality.

When I am official, if I ever do this again, all you have to do is remind me...

You have to admit though...Compassion in a mod is not a bad thing, true?

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

:hug: :hug: Lisa of course compasion is a great thing to have here in a mod or a member. I feel sorry for her too but I also realize that someone who switches religous beliefs and ethical stance as quickly and often as she does shouldn't be a member here.

[Lisa0315]

:hug: :hug: Lisa of course compasion is a great thing to have here in a mod or a member. I feel sorry for her too but I also realize that someone who switches religous beliefs and ethical stance as quickly and often as she does shouldn't be a member here.

Thanks. Right back at ya! :hug: :hug:

Lisa

[MrJim]

Okay, okay, okay...I bow to the will of the people...

I am not officially a mod yet, not until Monday, I think, but I get the point.

Believe me, I have seen this person agree with me, then, disagree with me on the same point within the same thread. I have seen this person go from staunch Catholic to agnostic and back again. I just feel sorry for her, that is all.

Naturally, the rules are what should govern here not sentimentality.

When I am official, if I ever do this again, all you have to do is remind me...

You have to admit though...Compassion in a mod is not a bad thing, true?

Lisa

It's official Monday?~Congrats to ya!

[Lisa0315]

It's official Monday?~Congrats to ya!

Well, assuming that I don't do anything between now and Monday to make y'all change your votes...:D

Lisa

[MrJim]

Well, assuming that I don't do anything between now and Monday to make y'all change your votes...:D

Lisa

yeah for you 48 hours is an extreme lot of time to be good:P

[Lisa0315]

yeah for you 48 hours is an extreme lot of time to be good:P

:angel:

[ContentInHim]

yeah for you 48 hours is an extreme lot of time to be good:P
:D

Lisa - do you really know what you are getting into? :P

[Lisa0315]

:D

Lisa - do you really know what you are getting into? :P

Seriously, yes.

I applied to be a mod at least a year ago, was accepted, and right before I started training I changed my mind. There were two reasons; 1) As I began to tell people privately, they began withdrawing from me. These people were those whom I carry a great burden for (athiests) and I did not want my ministry to them to be hindered by being on staff. 2) I began to sense that there were things going on behind the scenes that I should not be a part of.

These two impediments have been removed and the way cleared for me to be on staff.

I am strong in my faith. I am good at making decisions, and I am experienced at playing peacemaker. Those three qualities are what I look for in a moderator myself. (Depending on the forum, I look for other things as well.)

So, I see moderating as two things: Peacemaker and Rule Enforcer. I feel comfortable in doing both.

Lisa

[ContentInHim]

You ARE a peacemaker, Lisa! :hug: That's a wonderful quality for a mod! Hopefully you won't need to make peace too often in this forum - I personally promise to be good! :D

[Lisa0315]

You ARE a peacemaker, Lisa! :hug: That's a wonderful quality for a mod! Hopefully you won't need to make peace too often in this forum - I personally promise to be good! :D

Promises, promises...Nah, I have never seen you post anything that was less than civil. :hug:

Lisa

[ContentInHim]

Promises, promises...Nah, I have never seen you post anything that was less than civil. :hug:

Lisa
Well, not recently at any rate! :D

[Spudgrandma]

I am going to offer my .02 and I totally understand if you just disregard it, as I have not been very active at CF since the changes.

I don't think that PeaceLover02 should be allowed to vote or debate here. I have no problem with her fellowshipping and asking questions, but I don't think you can change your belief system on a whim; and, if this is going to be a forum where Conservative Christians can come and discuss without fear of the conversation turning into a contentious debate, then the membership needs to be limited to those who agree to the CC forum rules for more than a day or two. I believe that members need to have a track record. I know that this will limit the ability of new members to CF to post here, but there is really nothing wrong with a requirement that they have posted here for a bit so people can get to know them. Having a certain number of post would be okay if they were posts in this forum, not just anywhere on CF.

Thanks for letting me have my say.

God Bless
Spudgrandma

[Lisa0315]

I am going to offer my .02 and I totally understand if you just disregard it, as I have not been very active at CF since the changes.

I don't think that PeaceLover02 should be allowed to vote or debate here. I have no problem with her fellowshipping and asking questions, but I don't think you can change your belief system on a whim; and, if this is going to a forum where Conservative Christians can come and discuss without fear of the conversation turning into a contentious debate, then the membership needs to be limited to those who agree to the CC forum rules for more than a day or two. I believe that members need to have a track record. I know that this will limit the ability of new members to CF to post here, but there is really nothing wrong with a requirement that they have posted here for a bit so people can get to know them. Having a certain number of post would be okay if they were posts in this forum, not just anywhere on CF.

Thanks for letting me have my say.

God Bless
Spudgrandma

Yep, I believe that is the consensus.

BTW, Nice to meet you. There are few unfamiliar names to me, but I am pretty sure that I haven't seen your name. You should go sign in to Conservative Christians before membership is closed.

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

That's the thing I don't like the fact that we have to deny people membership or make them wait until they have a bunch of posts to become members but I believe we have to if we are going to get the kind forum that we are striving for. I just don't think there is any other way we are going to have this forum under control.

[MrJim]

Yep, I believe that is the consensus.

BTW, Nice to meet you. There are few unfamiliar names to me, but I am pretty sure that I haven't seen your name. You should go sign in to Conservative Christians before membership is closed.

Lisa
Ya gotta watch Spudgrandma, she's a crafty one;)

[Spudgrandma]

Yep, I believe that is the consensus.

BTW, Nice to meet you. There are few unfamiliar names to me, but I am pretty sure that I haven't seen your name.

Lisa

Thanks for the welcome. I was on staff for a year in Outreach and didn't get out much. ;)
You should go sign in to Conservative Christians before membership is closed.
Already done, I have been on the member list for a week or so or would never have posted my opinion on this matter. :)

[PaladinGirl]

So am I still not allowed to vote or debate here even though I am a Conservative Evangelical Christian now? :scratch: :confused:

[Tangeloper]

So am I still not allowed to vote or debate here even though I am a Conservative Evangelical Christian now? :scratch: :confused:

PeaceLover02,

You cannot just change icons or opinions like the ones you have expressed overnight and expect to be welcomed as a member on this board -- we are not naive in this way!

You were a democrat when you started this post just a few days ago, and now you claim to be a Republican. You claimed you were a Progressive Evangelical Christian, then you claimed you were a moderate Catholic, and now you CLAIM to be a Conservative Evangelical Christian???

My dear, I feel compassion towards you because you obviously are very confused.

I really think you need to take a step back, and do a little personal inventory here. What do you believe, and WHY. Don't claim to be something if you are not confident in your beliefs. One cannot change their beliefs in an effort to "Fit in" and still be honest with yourself -- or with God either... You are driving people away by doing this as you are not being honest with others.

Judging by some of the posts I've seen around the forum at large written by you this seems to be a destructive pattern, and one you must address in order to find peace for yourself, and peace through the Lord as well.

I'll be praying for you as you are obviously are going through a crisis of some sort -- either spiritually, emotionally, psychologically, or all of the above.

Respectfully,
Tangeloper

[PaladinGirl]

PeaceLover02,

You cannot just change icons or opinions like the ones you have expressed overnight and expect to be welcomed as a member on this board -- we are not naive in this way!

You were a democrat when you started this post just a few days ago, and now you claim to be a Republican. You claimed you were a Progressive Evangelical Christian, then you claimed you were a moderate Catholic, and now you CLAIM to be a Conservative Evangelical Christian???

My dear, I feel compassion towards you because you obviously are very confused.

I really think you need to take a step back, and do a little personal inventory here. What do you believe, and WHY. Don't claim to be something if you are not confident in your beliefs. One cannot change their beliefs in an effort to "Fit in" and still be honest with yourself -- or with God either... You are driving people away by doing this as you are not being honest with others.

Judging by some of the posts I've seen around the forum at large written by you this seems to be a destructive pattern, and one you must address in order to find peace for yourself, and peace through the Lord as well.

I'll be praying for you as you are obviously are going through a crisis of some sort -- either spiritually, emotionally, psychologically, or all of the above.

Respectfully,
Tangeloper
Thanks Tangeloper. I understand and respect you guys' views. I just don't think its very fair to exclude me because I sincerely do change my beliefs that quickly. That's just the way I am. I've been this way for a long time.

[magdiel]

Thanks Tangeloper. I understand and respect you guys' views. I just don't think its very fair to exclude me because I sincerely do change my beliefs that quickly. That's just the way I am. I've been this way for a long time.

Good evening PeaceLover!
I know ppl can change there stance on things.
But you have changed your user title at least twice this past week, maybe even 3 times. From Progressive and now to conservative.
You say you are conservative, others have pointed out what you have posted elsewhere lately, which is not conservative at all.

Maybe you should just sit back and post in fellowship here, which is very welcomed, til you get everything sorted out within you.

You may just change your stance tomorrow as you have done this past week. Not trying to be hard on you sweetie, but take some time out in prayer, and then truely know what you are.

My post to you in the other thread dear, stands firm here as well.

[Lisa0315]

Thanks Tangeloper. I understand and respect you guys' views. I just don't think its very fair to exclude me because I sincerely do change my beliefs that quickly. That's just the way I am. I've been this way for a long time.

We understand that. It is just that you could easily change your beliefs again tomorrow, and when you vote here, you are influencing the decisions that are being made about this congregation. That is not really fair to the members who have been an Unchanging Conservative for a long time.

So, as I suggested. Keep fellowshipping with us. Help us to get to know you better, and let us help you resolve your conflicts within your beliefs. This can be a time of growth and maturity for you, but you have to be willing to learn and listen. Okay?

Lisa

[PaladinGirl]

We understand that. It is just that you could easily change your beliefs again tomorrow, and when you vote here, you are influencing the decisions that are being made about this congregation. That is not really fair to the members who have been an Unchanging Conservative for a long time.

So, as I suggested. Keep fellowshipping with us. Help us to get to know you better, and let us help you resolve your conflicts within your beliefs. This can be a time of growth and maturity for you, but you have to be willing to learn and listen. Okay?

Lisa
Yeah I understand Lisa. I'll do as the members have requested.

[NewGuy101]

Yeah I understand Lisa. I'll do as the members have requested.
Since you want us to get to know you better. Can you please tell us why you changed your mind and decided to be more conservative in such a short span. This isn't for criticism, I am just curious.

[PaladinGirl]

Since you want us to get to know you better. Can you please tell us why you changed your mind and decuded to be more conservative in such a short span. This isn't for criticism, I am just curious.
Well, I simply had a change of heart. I can't bring myself to agree with most liberal ideals anymore. Its really quite that simple.

[magdiel]

Yeah I understand Lisa. I'll do as the members have requested.

We want you to be a part of this forum dear. We really do. But please understand our concern. You are much loved by God and everyone here.
We just want you to be settled in your beliefs.

[PaladinGirl]

We want you to be a part of this forum dear. We really do. But please understand our concern. You are much loved by God and everyone here.
We just want you to be settled in your beliefs.
I understand magdiel. I really do. Thanks for showing me kindness.

[magdiel]

:hug:

[PaladinGirl]

:hug:
I guess it is because of what is written in scripture. Anyway, it loooks like I can never be a debating or polling member of this forum because I do not agree with the bolded part below:

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[nyj]

Ok then. Since the question has been answered, can we close this down?

[PaladinGirl]

Ok then. Since the question has been answered, can we close this down?
Close it down if you wish NYJ.

[Miss Shelby]

Yes PLEASE close it.

And Holly. I am starting to save every thread where you simply have a change of heart. And every time this comes up again, I am going to post these instances where you 'simply have a change of heart'

You are not going to be able to run this muck forever.

[Voegelin]

I've grown accustomed to her change of hearts.

[Debi1967]

No kidding, eh??? Also curious to me as a former Catholic is that she described herself as an Evangelical as well. When I was growing up (again, as a Catholic) that was like two different worlds! :scratch:

I really don't want to sound cruel, but judging from PeaceLover's last post, it seems she has a dual-personality... (I think I smell a troll -- and one who doesn't think any of us are intelligent or observant, either. :sigh: )

I really don't like being played, or when others misrepresent themselves... IMO, that's not a very Christian thing to do...

~~ Tangeloper
Please everyone give Holly a break

Believe it or not, there are good reasons, which I cannot discuss with you as to why Holly has the dilemmas that she does. I know this hard to coming from me, but I must ask of you to trust me, that she does not do this intentionally.

I also think because of what I do know though that it would be better for Holly herself not to debate and to just fellowship. If she has specific questions then I think we need to address them for her.

But I want to express that HOLLY IS NOT A TROLL. Far from it. She just needs our prayers and help.

[Izdaari]

I am strong in my faith. I am good at making decisions, and I am experienced at playing peacemaker. Those three qualities are what I look for in a moderator myself. (Depending on the forum, I look for other things as well.)

So, I see moderating as two things: Peacemaker and Rule Enforcer. I feel comfortable in doing both.
:amen:

You're going to be a terrific mod. :clap:

[Izdaari]

Please everyone give Holly a break

Believe it or not, there are good reasons, which I cannot discuss with you as to why Holly has the dilemmas that she does. I know this hard to coming from me, but I must ask of you to trust me, that she does not do this intentionally.

I also think because of what I do know though that it would be better for Holly herself not to debate and to just fellowship. If she has specific questions then I think we need to address them for her.

But I want to express that HOLLY IS NOT A TROLL. Far from it. She just needs our prayers and help.

I agree. :thumbsup:

Much love for Holly, mercurial as she is.

:prayer::hug:

[WannaWitness]

Can only those with the elephant debate?

There is no political icon on CF that describes what I am (which is Non-Partisan). My conservativeness has nothing to do with politics. I simply live by the Bible.