Is it time to leave CF

[DaSeminarian]

I think that it may be time to give up the ship known as TCL. The posts today by MezzaMorta and the fact that my post in the thread Jim linked for us was deleted makes me believe that these new reforms of Erwins are Aesthetic. I think it is time for us to find a new home and let the liberals have this forum. I don't like the atmosphere that the outside subs are making and it makes me want to come here less and less all the time.

What say you?

[Melethiel]

I warned you that Theology takes a hard line on comments in reports...they are not the place to debate doctrine. I'm none too happy that Jim linked everyone to that report either, seemingly without reading our team-specific report guidelines.

[seajoy]

Jim isn't supposed to show us what we are able see with the new rules?
It seems as though he did nothing wrong to me.

[QuiltAngel]

Remind me once again why the discussions on reported posts are now public.

[Melethiel]

Jim isn't supposed to show us what we are able see with the new rules?
It seems as though he did nothing wrong to me.
It wasn't the linking to the report itself - I have no problem with reports being open for everyone to see our reasoning and moderation process.

It's the encouraging everyone to "post in the report, this needs to be handled." We don't take kindly to being strong-armed into action when we're trying to evaluate reports fairly and carefully. Should we take action based on the rules, or because of public pressure?

Theology takes a hard line on public commenting in reports which could derail the report itself because they only delay things and fester confusion. We instituted this early on, and as a result have nowhere near the backlog of reports and problems in reports that other areas do.

[seajoy]

Maybe some of us are tired of being strong-armed into Erwins new rules too.

It seems now that wrong is right and right is wrong.

Not your fault Mel...it's just the way it is in CF now.

[Melethiel]

You're allowed to write your own rules for TCL...

[seajoy]

And they can change daily.....I can't keep track of what's here now.

[Melethiel]

And they can change daily.....I can't keep track of what's here now.
The rules which are in effect are the ones in the Sticky.
http://www.christianforums.com/t5674902-master-rule-list-subject-to-change.html

[seajoy]

The rules which are in effect are the ones in the Sticky.
http://www.christianforums.com/t5674902-master-rule-list-subject-to-change.html
But if we start changing them all the time....well, who wants to read the rules every day before one starts posting.

[Zecryphon]

I think that it may be time to give up the ship known as TCL. The posts today by MezzaMorta and the fact that my post in the thread Jim linked for us was deleted makes me believe that these new reforms of Erwins are Aesthetic. I think it is time for us to find a new home and let the liberals have this forum. I don't like the atmosphere that the outside subs are making and it makes me want to come here less and less all the time.

What say you?
I have something to say but I'm pretty sure I'll get banned for it. I think Erwin is in need of a radical new surgical procedure. I'd say more but if I give this procedure a name, I'd be banned or at least warned! LOL If we do abandon ship, where do we go? Does anyone have a backup forum for us to go to? I have a place where we could all hang out in Second Life and drink cyber-coffee and all that fun stuff. But how many people here have Second Life? I know Wild Strawberry has an account, but does anyone else? And would anyone be interested in signing up for a totally free account just to do that? You can PM me for the name of the procedure that Erwin is in desperate need of receiving in the worst way and ASAP! Seajoy already knows what it is. Apparently I'm awesome! LOL

[seajoy]

I have something to say but I'm pretty sure I'll get banned for it. I think Erwin is in need of a radical new surgical procedure. I'd say more but if I give this procedure a name, I'd be banned or at least warned! LOL If we do abandon ship, where do we go? Does anyone have a backup forum for us to go to? I have a place where we could all hang out in Second Life and drink cyber-coffee and all that fun stuff. But how many people here have Second Life? I know Wild Strawberry has an account, but does anyone else? And would anyone be interested in signing up for a totally free account just to do that? You can PM me for the name of the procedure that Erwin is in desperate need of receiving in the worst way and ASAP! Seajoy already knows what it is. Apparently I'm awesome! LOL

:doh: ^_^ ;)

[filosofer]

But if we start changing them all the time....well, who wants to read the rules every day before one starts....

Yeah, isn't that what husbands ask in marriage? ^_^ :D



Sorry, we need a little humor here, I know, very little.;)




In Christ's love,
filo

[seajoy]

Yeah, isn't that what husbands ask in marriage? ^_^ :D



Sorry, we need a little humor here, I know, very little.;)




In Christ's love,
filo

so very little indeed....:doh: ^_^

[LilLamb219]

There are people in the world who don't feel good about themselves, so they try to make other people feel just as bad as they do. Misery loves company. We've seen them before and we'll see them again in our forum.

They come in here blasting away with as much vile as they have stored within them hoping to bring down as many people as they can. They enjoy getting a rise out of people. They enjoy seeing hatred spread. They enjoy separating peaceful groups before moving on to their next victims.

Make them mad and they declare you their enemy.

Why don't these people show the fruit of the Spirit? I have no idea. We can't doubt their Christianity if they claim to be Christian, but we can look at their words and actions and see that they are very weak in faith indeed and need our help to educate these poor ignorant folks.

Instead of letting them tear away at us and having it work, we need to band together and show them that sticks and stones won't break our bones and words from them only make them look like...well, I probably can't say what it makes them look like ;)

If our Wiki needs updating so that it reflects what we think needs to be done to further protect our community, then we need to take care of it. Since Erwin has left us to battle Satan through the Wiki alone, well, I guess we should take advantage of it to the full maximum and turn it into a forum specific rule (whatever we decide) asap and put it in a sticky on our forum.

For now, we can't let people spread lies here or their hate. Let's help them move on lovingly, even if it means showing them their complete and utter stupidity when it comes to historical people, historical events and our beliefs. There are many people being led astray and poison spreads quickly.

Our anti-venom is Christ within us.

Lord Have Mercy.

[porterross]

If you guys don't believe there aren't and haven't been islamic, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish posters here posing as Christians, you're too trusting. Unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Our naive, trusting nature is what these terrorists (yep, I said it) count on. They hate us and use of the Internet by such evil is not news.

[LilLamb219]

Erwin said we can be whomever we want to be here on the boards. Is this what he really had in mind?

[seajoy]

Erwin said we can be whomever we want to be here on the boards. Is this what he really had in mind?
I'm tall and thin. ^_^

[DaRev]

Can I be this guy...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/jweatherell/superrev.jpg

...'cept maybe without the tights?

[Edial]

I was amazed to see how many Mods left CF after Erwin showed his true face.

Yet I was even more amazed to see how many of those that left came back practically in the next few days. :)

In business world, people that come back in such manner usually get promotions.
I would say that all of the ones that came back got promoted.

We already know who Erwin is.
He'll be wheeling and dealing and eeling.

And ... if I was Radidio, I would also suggest that he is probably accountable to certain liberal political groups, which explain his sudden change with no apparent planning.

No executive would make such a sudden change unless he is under some type of pressure.

But, I'm not into conspiracy theories, like Radidio is. :D :)

Having said that ...
Are there other forums that people recommend?

I am posting at Christ Centered Forum. It is nice, but it is small and mainly populated by the Reformed Christians.
They are nice, but I personally am used to a wider exposion to Christainity.
And most of the Admins are very young.

They are very nice, very smart and mean well, but some maturity appears to be needed in their ranks.

Any suggestions as to what else is out there?

Thanks, :)
Ed

[Edial]

Can I be this guy...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/jweatherell/superrev.jpg

...'cept maybe without the tights?
Sure ...
if Erwin says that seajoy can be tall and thin, you could be this guy ... but please, ... keep the tights.

Ed

[DaRev]

Sure ...
if Erwin says that seajoy can be tall and thin, you could be this guy ... but please, ... keep the tights.

Ed

But they're itchy in the most modest of places... ^_^

[Edial]

But they're itchy in the most modest of places... ^_^
Since this is a family forum, I would suggest that our biblical places stay covered.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1355/544993695_e091c41304.jpg?v=0

Thanks,
Ed

[seajoy]

Ed! :eek: :doh: ^_^

[Jim47]

It wasn't the linking to the report itself - I have no problem with reports being open for everyone to see our reasoning and moderation process.

It's the encouraging everyone to "post in the report, this needs to be handled." We don't take kindly to being strong-armed into action when we're trying to evaluate reports fairly and carefully. Should we take action based on the rules, or because of public pressure?

Theology takes a hard line on public commenting in reports which could derail the report itself because they only delay things and fester confusion. We instituted this early on, and as a result have nowhere near the backlog of reports and problems in reports that other areas do.



Members are allowed to post in reports Mel, and just because you have written your own rules which are not in perfect alignment with CF rules does not prohibit them from posting. This is the whole idea of the new CF. Open reports for all to see. Your idea of censorship won't last. You seemingly care little for what members have to say and its only your own opinion that matters. How is that serving anyone besides yourself. You also seem to care little for your fellow Lutherans. This guy has been flaming in every forum. He has already been banned twice from the MJs. He has PMd mods telling them he hates MJs and is bent of some personal revenge.

Just because you are in the hot seat don't tell me what I have done is wrong, it might well be the other way around. Its easy to justify anything if that is where your heart is, but serving justice is a little harder.

We've been friends a long time, and I still think a lot of you, but this was handled very poorly and not at all according to CF rules. Even members of your own staff told you the guy is nothing but a trouble maker and should be banned. So please lets place blame where it belongs and not use me for your scape goat. I did nothing wrong and I am pretty surpised that you allowed that thread and others like it to continue. Down right shameful that Christinas should be subject to such flaming and bad mouthing. You know as well as I do this guys theology about what he said about Luther was wrong. Just because he distorts scripture and uses hate Lutheran web sites as his reference doesn't make it right. 10 wrongs don't make a right and never will. :sigh:

[DaRev]

"Christian Forums - Uniting All Christians... to beat up, tear down, and ridicule one another."

Some vision. :doh:

[Melethiel]

Members are allowed to post in reports Mel, and just because you have written your own rules which are not in perfect alignment with CF rules does not prohibit them from posting. This is the whole idea of the new CF. Open reports for all to see. Your idea of censorship won't last. You seemingly care little for what members have to say and its only your own opinion that matters. How is that serving anyone besides yourself. You also seem to care little for your fellow Lutherans. This guy has been flaming in every forum. He has already been banned twice from the MJs. He has PMd mods telling them he hates MJs and is bent of some personal revenge.

Just because you are in the hot seat don't tell me what I have done is wrong, it might well be the other way around. Its easy to justify anything if that is where your heart is, but serving justice is a little harder.

We've been friends a long time, and I still think a lot of you, but this was handled very poorly and not at all according to CF rules. Even members of your own staff told you the guy is nothing but a trouble maker and should be banned. So please lets place blame where it belongs and not use me for your scape goat. I did nothing wrong and I am pretty surpised that you allowed that thread and others like it to continue. Down right shameful that Christinas should be subject to such flaming and bad mouthing. You know as well as I do this guys theology about what he said about Luther was wrong. Just because he distorts scripture and uses hate Lutheran web sites as his reference doesn't make it right. 10 wrongs don't make a right and never will. :sigh:
I already posted in the report thread why the thread itself is not in technical violation of CF rules. So far, the majority of Theo staff have agreed (including the ones pushing for banning). The question of whether a particular user should be banned is a separate issue which we will discuss in a separate context. We do not issue bans without discussion and consensus of the team.
Theology works differently from ET, Jim. The nature of the forums demands it. We have a long history with the user in question, one which you can easily find if you search the archives.

Yes, I know perfectly well the theology of the thread in question was wrong. I also wouldn't be a very good mod if I modded according to my theology instead of the rules, correct?

Finally, if you would actually care to read the staff protocol, what Theology initially wrote in regards to report procedure is now in effect for the entire site. I quote:
Member commentary in reports: Members are free to read the public reports threads. They may comment in report threads if they have some clarification to add to the discussion about whether the posted report is a violation or not. However, further attacks, personal discussions, or continuation of the argument from the reported thread are NOT acceptable and are subject to deletion.

All members will refrain from making intimidating posts in reports whether they are the mods hearing the report, or the accused, or just interested parties.


You think I'm biased, power-hungry, and intent on censorship and pushing my own opinion? Fine. Take it to the appropriate channels and get me fired then. I'll probably thank you.

[filosofer]

Ah, guys... I know this has some serious implications, but look what someone outside has provoked. Makes me sad.

I respect both of you and have enjoyed your posts, until this exchange.

Blessings in Christ to both of you.

In Christ's love,
filo

[Jim47]

I already posted in the report thread why the thread itself is not in technical violation of CF rules. So far, the majority of Theo staff have agreed (including the ones pushing for banning). The question of whether a particular user should be banned is a separate issue which we will discuss in a separate context. We do not issue bans without discussion and consensus of the team.
Theology works differently from ET, Jim. The nature of the forums demands it. We have a long history with the user in question, one which you can easily find if you search the archives.

Yes, I know perfectly well the theology of the thread in question was wrong. I also wouldn't be a very good mod if I modded according to my theology instead of the rules, correct?

Finally, if you would actually care to read the staff protocol, what Theology initially wrote in regards to report procedure is now in effect for the entire site. I quote:



You think I'm biased, power-hungry, and intent on censorship and pushing my own opinion? Fine. Take it to the appropriate channels and get me fired then. I'll probably thank you.


Mel there is no difference in the way theology reports are handled. We all use the same rules.

I don't want you fired and yes I am aware of the protocal to ban someone. ET is already working on this guy. You can contact Tishri and work together.

I'm not upset with you. I'm just disapointed. You never return my PMs anymore. What happened to our friendship? I just answered a PM from another member here and expressed my concern over you. Don't fall of the deep end Mel. You are extremely bright, but you are also very young. Be careful. I will be praying for you tonight. I will also help you in any way I can. I'm not an enemy, just someome who cares.

Everyone here is concerned about what CF has become. If we on staff aren't going to stick up for what is right, then all the Christians might as well leave. Staff has always been the ones that work for justice, that should never change. Yes, I'm sure you are working on this guy, but what I read in that thread from you was disappointing.

[Zecryphon]

Can I be this guy...

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w254/jweatherell/superrev.jpg

...'cept maybe without the tights?
Rev,

if you don't have the tights, it's just vulgar! LOL

[Radiata]

I think that it may be time to give up the ship known as TCL. The posts today by MezzaMorta and the fact that my post in the thread Jim linked for us was deleted makes me believe that these new reforms of Erwins are Aesthetic. I think it is time for us to find a new home and let the liberals have this forum. I don't like the atmosphere that the outside subs are making and it makes me want to come here less and less all the time.

What say you?
No. This is all I think about at work.

[DaSeminarian]

Members are allowed to post in reports Mel, and just because you have written your own rules which are not in perfect alignment with CF rules does not prohibit them from posting. This is the whole idea of the new CF. Open reports for all to see. Your idea of censorship won't last. You seemingly care little for what members have to say and its only your own opinion that matters. How is that serving anyone besides yourself. You also seem to care little for your fellow Lutherans. This guy has been flaming in every forum. He has already been banned twice from the MJs. He has PMd mods telling them he hates MJs and is bent of some personal revenge.

Just because you are in the hot seat don't tell me what I have done is wrong, it might well be the other way around. Its easy to justify anything if that is where your heart is, but serving justice is a little harder.

We've been friends a long time, and I still think a lot of you, but this was handled very poorly and not at all according to CF rules. Even members of your own staff told you the guy is nothing but a trouble maker and should be banned. So please lets place blame where it belongs and not use me for your scape goat. I did nothing wrong and I am pretty surpised that you allowed that thread and others like it to continue. Down right shameful that Christinas should be subject to such flaming and bad mouthing. You know as well as I do this guys theology about what he said about Luther was wrong. Just because he distorts scripture and uses hate Lutheran web sites as his reference doesn't make it right. 10 wrongs don't make a right and never will. :sigh:


Jim,

I don't say that what you did was wrong. I am not mad at you. I am mad because I offered my opinion and it was deleted. What's the point of going there if our posts are going to be deleted. I like the way it was not the way it is. Either we go back to the CF pre 7/7/07 or I guess I am leaving.

So I guess goodbyes are in order

[dinkime]

don't leave!!! at least not until we know where to find each other!!!

[Melethiel]

Mel there is no difference in the way theology reports are handled. We all use the same rules.

I don't want you fired and yes I am aware of the protocal to ban someone. ET is already working on this guy. You can contact Tishri and work together.

I'm not upset with you. I'm just disapointed. You never return my PMs anymore. What happened to our friendship? I just answered a PM from another member here and expressed my concern over you. Don't fall of the deep end Mel. You are extremely bright, but you are also very young. Be careful. I will be praying for you tonight. I will also help you in any way I can. I'm not an enemy, just someome who cares.

Everyone here is concerned about what CF has become. If we on staff aren't going to stick up for what is right, then all the Christians might as well leave. Staff has always been the ones that work for justice, that should never change. Yes, I'm sure you are working on this guy, but what I read in that thread from you was disappointing.
I've answered all PMs I've received. You haven't PMd me recently.

Yes, there is a difference in the way Theology reports are handled. Always has been, by the very nature of the forums and the way the teams are set up. For example, congregational forums discourage debate, while Theology fosters it.

And remember that I'm one voice among several Theology staffers. If the team disagrees with my take on it, fine. Theo staff is specifically picked to represent a range of denominations and views.

[Tonks]

Members are allowed to post in reports Mel

Yes, they are...you're confusing the permissivness of being able to post in reports with thinking that your opinion is correct.

and just because you have written your own rules which are not in perfect alignment with CF rules does not prohibit them from posting. This is the whole idea of the new CF. Open reports for all to see. Your idea of censorship won't last. You seemingly care little for what members have to say and its only your own opinion that matters. How is that serving anyone besides yourself.

Here is a link (http://www.christianforums.com/f771-theology-forums-wiki.html) to all of the Theology wikis. How about you go spend some time an figure out which rules that the community have developed which breach the global CF rules. I have all night and I expect some sort of answers. Which rules are out of line? Post proof or retract. I'm waiting.

You also seem to care little for your fellow Lutherans.

I missed the part where Theology moderators are supposed to moderate based upon denominational ideology. The Pope is the Anti-Christ, Luther is the Anti-Christ...Theology doesn't live in the bubble that the Congregational fora do....you've read my remarks related to the OP of the thread. Please indicate where it actually violates CF rules. There are, clearly, posts within the thread which are in contravention of CF rules - and they will be removed. However, again, point me in the general direction of where the OP violates the rules. Your personal opinion - much as mine - is irrelevant in the matter if the post is five by five according to the rules.

This guy has been flaming in every forum. He has already been banned twice from the MJs. He has PMd mods telling them he hates MJs and is bent of some personal revenge.

We don't moderate according to MJ rules. Frankly, I think they breached protocol when they suspended him the last time as it little to do with the actual post but arguing in the report thread. Before anyone that accuses me of having a soft spot for Catholics...I was the one to ban him the last time. Anyone with access to the old staff forums can confirm this point.


Just because you are in the hot seat don't tell me what I have done is wrong, it might well be the other way around. Its easy to justify anything if that is where your heart is, but serving justice is a little harder.

Define justice. If it means "agree with me" then I suggest that some conversation should be in order.


We've been friends a long time, and I still think a lot of you, but this was handled very poorly and not at all according to CF rules.

Define how this was not handled according to CF rules. Please, list all of the instances. I beg you to do so as I've had more than enough of random, seemingly baseless accusations. This thread, my inbox, the report thread, the Theology HQ (whichever your preference) is awaiting your response. I expect an actual answer or you can retract your statement.

Even members of your own staff told you the guy is nothing but a trouble maker and should be banned. So please lets place blame where it belongs and not use me for your scape goat.

Which was based on an incomplete understanding of the rules as presently constituted and was addressed internally. Apologies for not making you privy to the discussion.

I did nothing wrong and I am pretty surpised that you allowed that thread and others like it to continue. Down right shameful that Christinas should be subject to such flaming and bad mouthing.

I expect your remarks in all of our threads instead of those which hit close to home. Thus far your presence has been absent. So...is this a Lutheran thing or a fairness thing? While I appreciate your input this is the first time that you've ever graced the Theology reports. I expect consistency - not hypebole.

You know as well as I do this guys theology about what he said about Luther was wrong. Just because he distorts scripture and uses hate Lutheran web sites as his reference doesn't make it right. 10 wrongs don't make a right and never will. :sigh:

Perhaps you could post an alternative view in the thread instead of complaining about it in TCL. Frankly, the manner in which you have treated Mel is somewhat shameful. She and I disagree on much when it comes to theology but she has always managed to steer me straight. In many respects she is the glue which holds Theology together - if only because she does not make decisions based upon her personal feelings but, instead, what is in line with the CF rules. Per your earlier comment regarding her not protecting Lutherans...anyone that moderates along their personal theology is not fit for the Theology Team and should, most likely, remain under the purview of the Ecumencial Team.

Jim - you're a global moderator now...spend some time in Theology before you throw the entire team under the bus.

[Edial]

Tonks, one of the things what Jim appears to be telling Mel is that she is working more for "Erwin" than protecting her fellow Lutherans.

Yes. It is partial. :)

In today's context of Erwin's philosophy there is no impartiality left on the part of Christians.

You DO understand that.

You came back after leaving.
You want to maintain the new vision.
Fine. This is the choice you made.
And now you have to do the work you chose.
Work. No problem.

But concerning Jim and his post to Mel, I would suggest that Mel handles this one.

You are not "protecting" Mel from Jim.
Mel knows that Jim does not wish her harm.

Thanks, :)
Ed

[seajoy]

Thank you for some sanity here, Ed. :)

[Jim47]

Yes, they are...you're confusing the permissivness of being able to post in reports with thinking that your opinion is correct.



Here is a link (http://www.christianforums.com/f771-theology-forums-wiki.html) to all of the Theology wikis. How about you go spend some time an figure out which rules that the community have developed which breach the global CF rules. I have all night and I expect some sort of answers. Which rules are out of line? Post proof or retract. I'm waiting.



I missed the part where Theology moderators are supposed to moderate based upon denominational ideology. The Pope is the Anti-Christ, Luther is the Anti-Christ...Theology doesn't live in the bubble that the Congregational fora do....you've read my remarks related to the OP of the thread. Please indicate where it actually violates CF rules. There are, clearly, posts within the thread which are in contravention of CF rules - and they will be removed. However, again, point me in the general direction of where the OP violates the rules. Your personal opinion - much as mine - is irrelevant in the matter if the post is five by five according to the rules.



We don't moderate according to MJ rules. Frankly, I think they breached protocol when they suspended him the last time as it little to do with the actual post but arguing in the report thread. Before anyone that accuses me of having a soft spot for Catholics...I was the one to ban him the last time. Anyone with access to the old staff forums can confirm this point.




Define justice. If it means "agree with me" then I suggest that some conversation should be in order.




Define how this was not handled according to CF rules. Please, list all of the instances. I beg you to do so as I've had more than enough of random, seemingly baseless accusations. This thread, my inbox, the report thread, the Theology HQ (whichever your preference) is awaiting your response. I expect an actual answer or you can retract your statement.



Which was based on an incomplete understanding of the rules as presently constituted and was addressed internally. Apologies for not making you privy to the discussion.



I expect your remarks in all of our threads instead of those which hit close to home. Thus far your presence has been absent. So...is this a Lutheran thing or a fairness thing? While I appreciate your input this is the first time that you've ever graced the Theology reports. I expect consistency - not hypebole.



Perhaps you could post an alternative view in the thread instead of complaining about it in TCL. Frankly, the manner in which you have treated Mel is somewhat shameful. She and I disagree on much when it comes to theology but she has always managed to steer me straight. In many respects she is the glue which holds Theology together - if only because she does not make decisions based upon her personal feelings but, instead, what is in line with the CF rules. Per your earlier comment regarding her not protecting Lutherans...anyone that moderates along their personal theology is not fit for the Theology Team and should, most likely, remain under the purview of the Ecumencial Team.

Jim - you're a global moderator now...spend some time in Theology before you throw the entire team under the bus.



Tonks, First off, my posts in that report are as a member, not a staffer. I do have the right to be concerned. I know my posts were not appreciated, that is fine. I also don't think I should have to log in my never used sock to post in someone elses reports, do you?

I don't know why this has turned into a war. The only thing people want here is justice and aren't seeing it served. Lets not throw rocks at me for defending Luther, I also made a statement in your report that I thought it was shameful that the flaming threads against Catholics or anyone was unfit.

As for looking into your other threads and reporting them, I don't have time. I mod several forums and now your Catholic member has come in here (TCL) and made a dozen rediculous reports that don't have one rule behind them. I also find it curious that you allowed her posts in the reports to remain but you or your staff deleted all the others. That is nothing more then censorship.

I think its admirable that you defend Mel, but the fact remains that she spoke for herself in that report and it wasn't right. Mel and I have been friends for a long time, and I still call her a friend. I don't hold grudges.

I'm willing to continue to discuss this, but it needs to be done through a private means so we don't drag all our members into it. If you want to talk to me on the phone, just PM me. Now I ask that we restore peace between yourself and Mel and I. This in fighting accomplishes nothing. :sigh:

[DaSeminarian]

I expect your remarks in all of our threads instead of those which hit close to home. Thus far your presence has been absent. So...is this a Lutheran thing or a fairness thing? While I appreciate your input this is the first time that you've ever graced the Theology reports. I expect consistency - not hypebole.



Perhaps you could post an alternative view in the thread instead of complaining about it in TCL. Frankly, the manner in which you have treated Mel is somewhat shameful. She and I disagree on much when it comes to theology but she has always managed to steer me straight. In many respects she is the glue which holds Theology together - if only because she does not make decisions based upon her personal feelings but, instead, what is in line with the CF rules. Per your earlier comment regarding her not protecting Lutherans...anyone that moderates along their personal theology is not fit for the Theology Team and should, most likely, remain under the purview of the Ecumencial Team.

Jim - you're a global moderator now...spend some time in Theology before you throw the entire team under the bus.

This is exactly why I don't like it here anymore. You get to come to our forum and throw your weight in. I liked the exclusivity of the former forum. Forums are no place to truly share God's word. They are a meeting place and safe haven from the garbage out there.

[Jim47]

I've answered all PMs I've received. You haven't PMd me recently.



No you didn't. You haven't returned my last 3 PMs to you. :sigh: Now please forgive me for what it seems as though I am fighting you. I am not. Like everyone else here we only want to see justice served.

I've already told Tihsri1 about this problem with this member. I am not allowed to take part in his hearing as only admins can do that. I've given her some info, if you would please, work with her on this.

[Jim47]

Jim,

I don't say that what you did was wrong. I am not mad at you. I am mad because I offered my opinion and it was deleted. What's the point of going there if our posts are going to be deleted. I like the way it was not the way it is. Either we go back to the CF pre 7/7/07 or I guess I am leaving.

So I guess goodbyes are in order



Scott, hang in there. You couldn't possibly feel as bad as I do. I feel like I have hurt one of my best friends. THis job isn't easy and quite often not fun at all.

[dinkime]

well, looking at the reports in the congregation area (all public by the way) -- looks like we have someone fighting the lutherans now -- no reports regardin TCL in there for quite some time (i look, lol) -- and over night there are like a dozen!?!?

[BelindaP]

Let us patch up our grievances with our Theology colleagues. They know how to do their jobs and will see that the appropriate thing is done according to the rules that they have in place. If somebody wishes to come into TCL and post a Luther=antichrist thread, then we can deal with that person here.

This kind of thread gets started against the Catholics all the time in Theology. Yet, I don't see OBOB crumbling from the attacks. All we are going to do is make Lutherans look small and petty if we try to shut down people who post something flaming of Luther.

I think it's obvious to anyone reading the thread that everyone is upset about that it is over the top. I'm sure that I don't need to remind you that Luther considered the Pope to be the antichrist. People who wish to behave in a trollish manner will hang themselves. We don't need to assemble a necktie party and hurt our Christian brethren whilst doing it.

[seajoy]

Thank you for that very unbiased opinion of your fellow Lutherans, BP. :doh:

[synger]

But if we start changing them all the time....well, who wants to read the rules every day before one starts posting.
The new rules process isn't QUITE as chaotic as that, though it does seem like it sometimes, doesn't it? This is what I've gotten, from the many, many threads I've read on the subject:

The wikis (whether general or category-specific) are where rules are worked on. They are not the rules themselves. They are discussion threads where the rules are discussed and modified.

Once in a while a "snapshot" will be taken of the wiki, and that will become "the rules". This snapshot will either become part of the FAQ for the site (for CF general rules) or will be stickied at the top of your category wiki forum (for category-specific rules).

Meanwhile, the discussion in the wiki thread will continue.

At the beginning of the process, where we are now, snapshots happen fairly frequently -- once a week or so -- because the basics of the rules are still being discussed.

As the process continues, this will likely slow down, because consensus will build as to what the rules should cover.

Meanwhile, it is the FAQ or the stickied rules that are the ones in force. You don't have to check every day.

[seajoy]

ok

[Jenna]

Really, this all leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. It isn't so much that someone makes comments about Luther, basically saying that we are all heretics going against God. Sad to say, I pretty much expect that sort of posting on CF. I am just amazed that folks feel the need to "follow us home" to shake a finger at us (lutherans). So much for the sanctity of one's own home. :) Can you tell that I love these new CF changes? I am just astounded at the number of reports that have popped up for even mentioning that ridiculous thread.

I don't know how I feel about leaving (or you guys leaving!!). I generally just pop in to read, because I don't usually have anything particularly stellar to say. I've wanted to stay on and see how things were going to go, but I have wondered how much headache visiting this particular speck on the web should be.

I'm still reserving my judgement for now, about whether to go and chatter about Lutheranism elsewhere. It would be nice to know where y'all might go, if there are people who are determined to jump this ship. I really enjoy being able to pick up wonderful information from you smart cookies in here. I'd hate for that to be ruined by losing touch with folks. :)

[seajoy]

Good stuff, Jenna. :thumbsup: :)

[Melethiel]

I did not come on staff to "protect my fellow Lutherans" (or to work for Erwin). If I wanted to do that, I would have become a TCL mod. I mod Theology, and all Theology mods are required to be able to suspend their own Theology and evaluate things objectively.

About the Catholic member reporting people in TCL - please PM me about this, and don't berate Tonks about it. We have a long history with that particular poster, but I don't want to go into it in public.

[BelindaP]

Thank you for that very unbiased opinion of your fellow Lutherans, BP. :doh:

I don't think I offered any opinion about my fellow Lutherans. It was a call to prevent others from having an opinion of us.

[seajoy]

Small, petty, crumbling, trollish....no one called us that but you so far.

[Colabomb]

Closed for staff review.