WOE to the preacher that blaspheme Jesus Holy Word

[ozell]

One of the biggest LIE taught in the christian community is that the OT is fulfilled or done away with. This false doctrine has led many christians to a lack of understanding.

Woe to these preachers that blaspheme God's holy word

Let's look at what the Lord Jesus and his apsotles have to say.

Jesus said

Jn 5v44: How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
45: Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46: For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47: But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

How can you believe in Jesus without reading what Moses has written about him.?

Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

Do you really want to find Jesus? Look in the writing of Moses and the Prophets.

Lk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Lk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Paul taught the gentiles ot of the OT.

Act26v20: But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
21: For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
22: Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:


Act 28v22: But we desire to hear of thee what thou thinkest: for as concerning this sect, we know that every where it is spoken against.
23: And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.
24: And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.
25: And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

Acts 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Paul taught the people only what is written in the OT. Moses and the Prophets.



Jesus spoke of these preachers and believers who won't believe what is written by Moses and the prophets.

Lk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:


people if you wan tto know about Jesus read the OT find out what Moses and the prophets had written.


if you just read the Nt only your understanding is woe fully lacking

[jive4005]

Since the Lord has declared His intent to hold Christian preachers of any kind to a higher standard than others, I want to say I'm glad He does. It certainly helps keep me on that narrow path... and definitely gets & holds my attention!

Anyone who preaches distorted doctrine and half-truths will have a very hard time at the judgement.

God has His own standards for preachers and He isn't going to change those standards.
Be certain of your own motives before you take those clergy vows... they put you under the spiritual microscope.
Make certain you are prepared for the long haul!

His,
Rev J

[ozell]

The Lord said this concerning the watchman.

Isa 56:10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11: Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

12: Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.

now i understand why we have so many denomination

[JDIBe]

One of the biggest LIE taught in the christian community is that the OT is fulfilled or done away with. This false doctrine has led many christians to a lack of understanding.


The old testament is fulfilled and done away with.

Col 2:12-17
12 having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses;
14 having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;
15 having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:
17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Heb 10:1
1 For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh.

Gal. 4:20-31
20 but I could wish to be present with you now, and to change my tone; for I am perplexed about you.
21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman.
23 Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.
24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now.
30 Howbeit what saith the scripture? Cast out the handmaid and her son: for the son of the handmaid shall not inherit with the son of the freewoman.
31 Wherefore, brethren, we are not children of a handmaid, but of the freewoman.

Gal 3:23-24
23 But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Eph 2:11-16
11 Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands;
12 that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.
14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,
15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even The law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;
16 and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:


Sorry....

I take it you still follow the dietary laws of the OT regarding clean vs. unclean?

[ozell]

The old testament is fulfilled and done away with.

Impossible!!!

Col 2:12-17
12 having been buried with him in baptism, wherein ye were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 And you, being dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, you, I say, did he make alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses;

when are we made alive together with Jesus?
1ST RESURRECTION! THEN OUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN!


14 having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;

are the dieatary laws against us,?
are the commandments against us?
is circumscison against us?
is the feast days against us?

which one of the laws came with ordinances?

15 having despoiled the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a feast day or a new moon or a sabbath day:

No man should Judge unless it's righteous

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

what is a shAdow?

Lest read vs 4, 8 and 18 of Colossians2

Col 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

8: Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

18: Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Its very obvious that these Gentiles are lacking faith because Paul has to warn them constantly not to be decieved.


Heb 7:12
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

what was the purpose of the High priest?
what was Aaron job?
what did Jesus replace when he became high priest?
when Jesus vacated the high priest to Levi what did they replace?

Heb 10:1
1 For the law having a shadow of the good things to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect them that draw nigh.

what was the law having a shadow?
what was the shadow?
Paul gives the answer in the verse!

Gal. 4:20-31
20 but I could wish to be present with you now, and to change my tone; for I am perplexed about you.

21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?

22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, one by the handmaid, and one by the freewoman.

23 Howbeit the son by the handmaid is born after the flesh; but the son by the freewoman is born through promise.

24 Which things contain an allegory: for these women are two covenants; one from mount Sinai, bearing children unto bondage, which is Hagar.
25 Now this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia and answereth to the Jerusalem that now is: for she is in bondage with her children.
26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is our mother.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; Break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: For more are the children of the desolate than of her that hath the husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so also it is now.
30 Howbeit what saith the scripture? Cast out the handmaid and her son: for the son of the handmaid shall not inherit with the son of the freewoman.
31 Wherefore, brethren, we are not children of a handmaid, but of the freewoman.


Go back to the OT and see where Jesus made a convenant with both children. Isaac and Ishmael
it is written, both covenants

the promise by God to Abraham concerning Ishmael
we all know the Covenant for Isaac

Gen 17:18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
Gen 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

Gen 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is.
18: Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation.

Gal 3:23-24
23 But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

what law was we kept under until Jesus came?
remember faith and Jesus was also in the OT.

24 So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

what law was our school master to bring us unto christ?

Eph 2:11-16
11 Wherefore remember, that once ye, the Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called Circumcision, in the flesh, made by hands;

The gentiles were worldly people!

12 that ye were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

that is why Jesus had Paul to teach the gentiles, the Gentiles knew NOTHING about the true and living God.

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye that once were far off are made nigh in the blood of Christ.

the Blood of Jesus made the Gentiles near to him,
but FIRST the gentiles had to be taught about Jesus.


14 For he is our peace, who made both one, and brake down the middle wall of partition,

15 having abolished in the flesh the enmity, even The law of commandments contained in ordinances; that he might create in himself of the two one new man, so making peace;

Jesus gave his body, his flesh, his blood.

what did this replace?

what law had ordinances to be carried out?

16 and might reconcile them both in one body unto God through the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Sorry....

don't be sorry for me!

answer the question I left and get the understanding
you seek.

I take it you still follow the dietary laws of the OT regarding clean vs. unclean?

yes!

Jesus did
the apsotles did

[JDIBe]

yes!

Jesus did
the apsotles did

Really?......

Mar 7:18-23
(18) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Perceive ye not, that whatsoever from without goeth into the man, it cannot defile him;
(19) because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.
(20) And he said, That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man.
(21) For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
(22) covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, pride, foolishness:
(23) all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.

So why do you??

Do you still offer animal sacrifices as well?

[Eccl12and13]

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You know....if you only took the verses that you gave it may seem that the subject was about food.......

Mar 7:18-23
(18) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Perceive ye not, that whatsoever from without goeth into the man, it cannot defile him;
(19) because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.
(20) And he said, That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man.
(21) For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
(22) covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, pride, foolishness:
(23) all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.



But if you read the whole subject you find that it is not food that they are talking about or (Dietary Laws) but the tradtions of men that Jesus is warning them about, as we can see from reading the following,


[5] Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
[6] He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
[7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctines the commandments of men.
[8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
[9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
[10] For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
[11] But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
[12] And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
[14] And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand:
[15] There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
[16] If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
[17] And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.
[18] And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
[19] Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
[20] And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
[21] For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
[22] Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
[23] All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.


Now I read no where of Jesus doing away with the Dietary Laws. But I did read him warning us about following the tradtions of man ie, x-mas, easter, lords supper verses following the tradtions of God....Sabbath, feast days, dietary laws.

Here is another example of the disciples following Gods Laws.....mind you, this is after Christ died, (Christ being the testator; hence the only one who can change the testament, or will. And the only time a will can be changed if BEFORE the person dies, not after.) And if you are not sure what I mean refer to Heb 9; 16-17


Acts 20:

[6] And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days

And here's a passage showing Peter still keeping the Dietary Laws:

Acts 10:

[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

[28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

And I included the 28th verse just in case someone wanted to say God was talking about his Dietary Laws, because as the 28th verse clearly states God was not talking about Food, but about men.

[JDIBe]

You know....if you only took the verses that you gave it may seem that the subject was about food.......


Of course it's not all about food......But v19 is is undeniably about food.



Now I read no where of Jesus doing away with the Dietary Laws.


Well here it is....

Mar 7:18-23
(18) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Perceive ye not, that whatsoever from without goeth into the man, it cannot defile him;
(19) because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.

Question:
Did the prohibition of unclean animals (meats) come from man or God?


But I did read him warning us about following the tradtions of man ie, x-mas, easter, lords supper verses following the tradtions of God....Sabbath, feast days, dietary laws.

Whoa, Whoa! Did you just say that Jesus was warning us about things like the Lord's Supper?

How does your statement agree with Col. 2:16-17?

2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you with respect to food or drink, or in the matter of a feast, new moon, or Sabbath days –
17 these are only the shadow of the things to come, but the reality is Christ!

Sir, why do your statements DIRECTLY CONTRIDICT Scripture? This concerns me.


And here's a passage showing Peter still keeping the Dietary Laws:

Acts 10:

[14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.


Next verse:
15 The voice spoke to him again, a second time, “What God has made clean, you must not consider ritually unclean!”



[28] And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

And I included the 28th verse just in case someone wanted to say God was talking about his Dietary Laws, because as the 28th verse clearly states God was not talking about Food, but about men.

Granted the purpose of the dream was to prepare Peter for Cornilus. But the principle remains the same...“What God has made clean, you must not consider ritually unclean!”. This includes food as well today.

Lest you think I'm building a theology one one verse, how you do explain this one as well....

Rom 14:14-20
(14) I know, and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean of itself: save that to him who accounteth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
(15) For if because of meat thy brother is grieved, thou walkest no longer in love. Destroy not with thy meat him for whom Christ died.
(16) Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
(17) for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
(18) For he that herein serveth Christ is well-pleasing to God, and approved of men.
(19) So then let us follow after things which make for peace, and things whereby we may edify one another.
(20) Overthrow not for meat's sake the work of God. All things indeed are clean; howbeit it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.

Was Paul talking about men or food? Does this harmonize with my interpretation of the above Scriptures?

Another question for you guys: Are we under this law from the Old Testament today?

Lev 15:19-23
(19) And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be in her impurity seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even.
(20) And everything that she lieth upon in her impurity shall be unclean: everything also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean.
(21) And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
(22) And whosoever toucheth anything that she sitteth upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
(23) And if it be on the bed, or on anything whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even.

[Sp0kenF0r]

we are no longer under the law, we are under grace! and the new testament does say this. i didnt know there was anyone that still thought we were under the OT. interesting to say the least!

[New_Wineskin]

we are no longer under the law, we are under grace! and the new testament does say this. i didnt know there was anyone that still thought we were under the OT. interesting to say the least!

Well , what do you expect when so many for so many years have been shouting "Authority of the Scriptures" !! Authority of the Scriptures!!" ? What *I* find interesting is that those people shouting that mantra throw out over 90% of anything in the Scriptures that have the slightest appearance of commands ( ie authority ) . If the doctrine of "Authority of the Scriptures" had *any* Scriptural support , the context of that support would have been speaking specifically about the Law . Yet , they dismiss the Law ( except for a perverted idea of "tithing" ) .

At least this person is a little better . I say "little" better because they also rationalize away their excuse for not obeying many commands but damn everyone else for not obeying all of the commands .

I agree - it *is* interesting . :)

[ozell]

Really?......

Mar 7:18-23
(18) And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Perceive ye not, that whatsoever from without goeth into the man, it cannot defile him;
(19) because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? This he said, making all meats clean.
(20) And he said, That which proceedeth out of the man, that defileth the man.
(21) For from within, out of the heart of men, evil thoughts proceed, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries,
(22) covetings, wickednesses, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, railing, pride, foolishness:
(23) all these evil things proceed from within, and defile the man.

[QUOTE]So why do you??
Read Levitcus 11 and


Go back and read what the scriptures says and what the testimony testified of. Jesus is not talking about food.
what you put into your belly cannot defile you.
what you put into your belly will determine if you are holy or not!!
Read Leviticus 11v44-45

1Timothy 4v1-5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer

Paul did not eat forbidden food
Peter did not eat forbidden food
Most importantly Jesus the Messiah DID NOT eat forbidden food. I can read the bible and prove this.

why do you??

there is not a verse that tells you to eat forbidded food.

Do you still offer animal sacrifices as well?

should I offer animal sacrifices?

I understand that Jesus is the sacrifice, the sin offereing.

I understand that animal sacrifice is the law that was nailed to the cross.