Vote Now To Keep CF A Christian Site

[Followers4christ]

Option (1) Will make CF a social community not a Christian one.Christian Fourms will have the word "Christian" removed from CF.The community will have a strong Christian influence, but will no longer be ran by just Christians.Christian Forum without Christian leadership is not a Christian site.If we let them lead a christian site will they hold on to our beliefs or their own agenda?


Option (2) will keep CF a Christian site with Christian leadership.CF will keep the name (Christian) Forums and will further unite fellow Christian brothers as one body.It will also be a site where Christians can talk and discuss biblical issues without unbelievers trying to tear down new fellow brothers faith in Jesus Christ.


Please VOTE FOR OPTION 2 NOW (Deadline is the 3rd of August.) God Bless You All

http://www.christianforums.com/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision-poll-vote-only-here.html


2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial ? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."

"Therefore come out from them
and be separate, says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will receive you."
"I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."



1. A safe social community site with a heavy and strong Christian influence (with the vision being to offer a safe online community, and a secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians) - which will allow for a name change;

OR

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

[Tangeloper]

The page you linked to shows up blank to me.* And, it's really a shame since I can't vote now.

I specifically found and joined this forum a few days ago precisely because I wanted to discuss issues with other Christians and not have to defend my beliefs, but rather learn and grow in fellowship with fellow Christians.

There are so many other sites out there that cater to those with all sorts of beliefs. Not that many with a large, and specifically Christian-centered membership that I have found. How disappointing it will be to me if this forum is turned into something completely different...

Why may I ask is this even being considered???

Thanks,
Tangeloper

*As far as the page loading blank... This is a problem I have encountered with actually quite a few posts throughout the site that have high post counts (over 500 seems to be the 'magic' number). I have posted this problem in the bugs forum, and others have posted with the same complaint, but I have not seen anyone from "tech" reply to the thread... Just FYI... As I said, it's really a shame as I would very much like to vote in the poll. I wonder how many others will encounter this problem, and not be able to voice their opinions.

I would like to politely suggest to site staff that this problem be resolved before closing the poll, as it doesn't seem quite fair for some of us to be left out due to what is clearly a site-specific technical issue. Barring that, perhaps there is some other way we can voice our opinion to someone who can access the page?

UPDATE:
I was finally able to access the poll yesterday (Aug. 3), and voted for option #2...

[MrJim]

when will this all end and be done?

[Voegelin]

Interestingly enough, staff is voting 51 to 12 to "Return to a more restricted Christians-only site"

Members are voting that way only 54.92% to 45.08%

[WarriorAngel]

:holy:
I voted the old way...because I came here for a Christian fellowshipping place.

If it becomes as #1 suggests the site name will change, and IMHO this place wont be the same. :( It will become a whole new world from what we know. And that won't be a nessarily good thing.

I voted #2.

[Voegelin]

Checking around the net today to see if there are any atheist, agnostic or "progressive" Christian sites debating if they want to stay as they are or become orthodox Christian sites.

Haven't found one yet.

But I shall continue to search . . .

[tel0004]

Checking around the net today to see if there are any atheist, agnostic or "progressive" Christian sites debating if they want to stay as they are or become orthodox Christian sites.

Haven't found one yet.

But I shall continue to search . . .
Good luck with that.

[Followers4christ]

Today is the last day to let your voice be heard on this important issue.Please vote to keep CF a Christian Site.God Bless You All :)


Poll stands right now at:

Option (1) 421 votes 45.27%

Option (2) 509 votes 54.73%

[Voegelin]

Suprised it is that close. I figured the atheist site, DU, KOS and similiar forums would register hundreds or thousands to swamp the poll.

[heymikey80]

Well, it's still not closed when last I checked.

[WarriorAngel]

Well, it should be!

[MrJim]

So what's the deal with that poll. Aug 3 has come and gone....

[ContentInHim]

I voted #2 yesterday. I wasn't going to vote, but changed my mind when one of the atheists said that #2 was an "unchristian" attitude. :scratch:

[heymikey80]

So what's the deal with that poll. Aug 3 has come and gone....
Going on the tendency for #2 to remain slightly ahead, the longer the vote remains open the longer the opportunity for a tighter vote, activating the minority to vote more to "get that little bit extra" and come out "on top" in the end. Or just plain "close" for Erwin to continue on his way.

I think it's implied advocacy for #1 among those with the power to close the voting.

In my neck of the earth this is normally covered by the argument, "We want to count every vote."

[Tangeloper]

Going on the tendency for #2 to remain slightly ahead, the longer the vote remains open the longer the opportunity for a tighter vote, activating the minority to vote more to "get that little bit extra" and come out "on top" in the end. Or just plain "close" for Erwin to continue on his way.

I think it's implied advocacy for #1 among those with the power to close the voting.

In my neck of the earth this is normally covered by the argument, "We want to count every vote."

Why, oh why does this not surprise me? I've only been here for a short while, but I've seen this sort of thing happen so many times. I really hope #2 prevails, as that is why I registered here -- to be a part of a CHRISTIAN forum where I can grow in my faith without having to justify it to non-believers unless I choose to debate such topics...

[heymikey80]

Why, oh why does this not surprise me? I've only been here for a short while, but I've seen this sort of thing happen so many times. I really hope #2 prevails, as that is why I registered here -- to be a part of a CHRISTIAN forum where I can grow in my faith without having to justify it to non-believers unless I choose to debate such topics...
Let's watch that boiling pot for the time being. They find it very attractive to want to "work to save unbelievers", no matter the risk or cost. Let's keep lobbying, keep informed, and keep up with each other.

DrSteveJ has done a great job of keeping the debate going over its purpose -- turmoil & all. In my estimate he and Miracle_Storm put everything on the line to get us the vote in the first place. If it takes guarding and soldiering the gap we'll do it for just this reason, Tangeloper. We want you to grow in Him as well.

[Letalis]

So what's the deal with that poll. Aug 3 has come and gone....
Erwin made an announcement about it:

http://www.christianforums.com/t5840623

[Time2BCounted]

I am confused as to the motivating factor of turning a Christian site into a nonchristian site? Is it a money factor or is therre some desire to attempt weakening bothe the faith and influence of Christians? Are the board owners Christian? Are they Satanic and just out to shame the name of Christ? I do not understand this.

[Keenan]

Well that wasn't much of an announcement lol, I hope Erwin makes the right decision. This website is a Christian stronghold & we can be accepting of others without losing our identity. Having a united Christian front will really limit the amount of flaming and jib-jab going on recently.

Keep voting guys! :pray:

PS: Implying the owners of this site are satanic is a little mean dude.. :(

[Time2BCounted]

I don't think that it should it be surprising that many satanists are also ministers. I happen to have known of some, even here on this board there are priests who are satanic as well. This isnt a mean spirited question but an honest one. The undermining of the Christian faith is common these days.

There are many strange things I have noticed about this particular board. For instance I used to have an accoun here and debated with atheists a lot concerning the faith. I put up very effective debate and endured flame after flame, some even from so called christians who sided with the atheists. I did not flame back and yet because of being effective and enduring, charges were made up against me and I was banned for bypassing a ban. Whats odd is I was NEVER banned in the first place. I am NOW bypassing that ban to speak my peace. I pm'd the mods on several occasions asking them to look and see that I had never before been banned and had broken no rules, and yet atheism and flaming and false charges stood, while the christian was banned.

There is something fishy going on at this site and Chrsitianity will not be allowed to prevail. So dont write off my question, it is an honest one.

Has ANYONE else here considered WHAT IS the motivating factors in the recent changes?

[MrJim]

I don't think that it should it be surprising that many satanists are also ministers. I happen to have known of some, even here on this board there are priests who are satanic as well. This isnt a mean spirited question but an honest one. The undermining of the Christian faith is common these days.

There are many strange things I have noticed about this particular board. For instance I used to have an accoun here and debated with atheists a lot concerning the faith. I put up very effective debate and endured flame after flame, some even from so called christians who sided with the atheists. I did not flame back and yet because of being effective and enduring, charges were made up against me and I was banned for bypassing a ban. Whats odd is I was NEVER banned in the first place. I am NOW bypassing that ban to speak my peace. I pm'd the mods on several occasions asking them to look and see that I had never before been banned and had broken no rules, and yet atheism and flaming and false charges stood, while the christian was banned.

There is something fishy going on at this site and Chrsitianity will not be allowed to prevail. So dont write off my question, it is an honest one.

Has ANYONE else here considered WHAT IS the motivating factors in the recent changes?

Anyhow, apart from all the black helicopters and such, I think it's just that Erwin is kinda done with it and it trying to figure a way to get the place to run on its own. No more complicated than the owner trying to adjust it to suit him. Not like this is a church or anything, just a message board~larger than most but about the same.

[Time2BCounted]

Anyhow, apart from all the black helicopters and such, I think it's just that Erwin is kinda done with it and it trying to figure a way to get the place to run on its own. No more complicated than the owner trying to adjust it to suit him. Not like this is a church or anything, just a message board~larger than most but about the same.
Have a look around. Look at the wiccans and pagans and universalists and Atheists who supprt this site. Count them i challenge you, and then write off money, compromise and satanic influences as possible issues.

[MrJim]

It's not news dude. Dismiss the obvious satanic element and just consider the homosexual/proabortionist crowd.

I thought of runnin', but as a former jarhead I guess that didn't stick. And I can toss a stone from where I sit & hit satanists and pagans. Ain't skeered of 'em.

[Time2BCounted]

It's not news dude. Dismiss the obvious satanic element and just consider the homosexual/proabortionist crowd.

I thought of runnin', but as a former jarhead I guess that didn't stick. And I can toss a stone from where I sit & hit satanists and pagans. Ain't skeered of 'em.
Salute jarhead, and semper fi, we have a lot in common. I won't run either. As someone who cannot close his eyes to the glaring facts however, I do believe these are factors we must take into consideration when asking WHY these changes are being made. Personally I can not only stand the fight but I can taste the fight. I refuse though to fight blindly assuming some to be on my side when in fact they are covert enemies.

As Christians we need to unite otherwise we will be picked off one by one beginning with the most effective, and with no one standing for everyone, and no one standing boldly for God, soon thre will be nothing left but the heretic and the weak who will be influenced by the heretic. If we all stood together and demanded GOOD changes here, we COULD prevail for God. If money and compromise are factors here, we as Christians could PAY for this board and PAY for the right to run it and keep it as it should be.

[heymikey80]

There are many strange things I have noticed about this particular board. For instance I used to have an accoun here and debated with atheists a lot concerning the faith. I put up very effective debate and endured flame after flame, some even from so called christians who sided with the atheists. I did not flame back and yet because of being effective and enduring, charges were made up against me and I was banned for bypassing a ban. Whats odd is I was NEVER banned in the first place. I am NOW bypassing that ban to speak my peace. I pm'd the mods on several occasions asking them to look and see that I had never before been banned and had broken no rules, and yet atheism and flaming and false charges stood, while the christian was banned.

There is something fishy going on at this site and Chrsitianity will not be allowed to prevail. So dont write off my question, it is an honest one.

Has ANYONE else here considered WHAT IS the motivating factors in the recent changes?
I've considered a few. CF is on the world's radar. I actually found this site reading off an blog from the unbelieving opposition. Last year I noticed it on a list of the largest databases in the world. So to me it's under scrutiny, in the crucible of the popular powers in the world.

Your point about being banned successfully when you're not a "popular" or predictable character is a very ... poignant point to me. I had wondered whether DrSteveJ's treatment were more than a single (really a double -- Miracle_Storm -- ) flash in the pan, it was just happening among those less well-known. You confirm that part, more is happening.

And it's interesting where it happened. A person who was focused not on the congregational forums, so not a popular figure who could cause a backlash, but focused on evangelistic/apologetics forums -- where the battle line was drawn. Another persuasive argument to for asking you all for a close connection with the congregation forum.

I see that as a sinful-authority issue as well. Erwin's a human being. We've all been there! Erwin owns this site and controls who's authorized to contribute. That makes him the point of sway for spiritual powers in high places. How to address that -- it's tough. I have my theological view. Others have theirs.

We're not a church in many senses -- we don't gather physically, we don't help physically e.g. But we gather for mutual edification and encouragement and preaching the Gospel, and we have the Spirit of God. Where a couple or three of us gather, Christ is here, and the Gospel is spread.

[Time2BCounted]

I've considered a few. CF is on the world's radar. I actually found this site reading off an blog from the unbelieving opposition. Last year I noticed it on a list of the largest databases in the world. So to me it's under scrutiny, in the crucible of the popular powers in the world.

Your point about being banned successfully when you're not a "popular" or predictable character is a very ... poignant point to me. I had wondered whether DrSteveJ's treatment were more than a single (really a double -- Miracle_Storm -- ) flash in the pan, it was just happening among those less well-known. You confirm that part, more is happening.

And it's interesting where it happened. A person who was focused not on the congregational forums, so not a popular figure who could cause a backlash, but focused on evangelistic/apologetics forums -- where the battle line was drawn. Another persuasive argument to for asking you all for a close connection with the congregation forum.

I see that as a sinful-authority issue as well. Erwin's a human being. We've all been there! Erwin owns this site and controls who's authorized to contribute. That makes him the point of sway for spiritual powers in high places. How to address that -- it's tough. I have my theological view. Others have theirs.

We're not a church in many senses -- we don't gather physically, we don't help physically e.g. But we gather for mutual edification and encouragement and preaching the Gospel, and we have the Spirit of God. Where a couple or three of us gather, Christ is here, and the Gospel is spread.
Salute Mikey,

Yes is see Erwin as the pivotal point as well, therefore we as Christians have a focal point of persuasion IF we stand taking matters into our own hands and focus a series of strategies. I think buying thhe board from him is an option IF his real goal is to get out from underneath it and not intentionally satanicly inspired.

As for this being a church, every true Christian IS the church, and therefore, this being a meeting place for us, it is as good as the building we errantly call a church. I see what is happening here as a direct attack on the church.

[WarriorAngel]

I am apathetic at this point, whatever shall be, shall be.

[Time2BCounted]

A common misconception is that curiosity killed the cat, when in fact it was apathy.

Are we as Christians so weak as to just give up? Where is that fighting spirit of a Paul or a Peter or a Stephen? Will the world beat us down to the point that things like this made Jesus ask "When I return, will I find faith on the Earth?"

I will stand and suggest and fight by myself if neccessary, but i have more faith than to believe this is what I would have to do.

I will pledge $100.00 as a beginning to a pot to buy this board and do with it as Christians would do. Step one asking non-christian mods to step down. Step 2 restoring this board to a biblical definition of 'Christian'. This is 100 bucks I cannot afford, but I WILL give for the cause of Christ and for the well being of the weak souls that will be lost here if we do NOT do something. This place has already killed the faith of many and I have witnessed it first hand. Will we have the death of more on our hands by doing nothing? I personally care more than to just ask this quesiton. Lets put our souls and possessions and hearts where our mouths are and actually war for the kingdom of heaven in a 'wise as a serpent, harmless as a dove' kind of way. If anyone else has an alternative I think we should put everything on the table. But my 100.00 is up now.

[Skripper]

Checking around the net today to see if there are any atheist, agnostic or "progressive" Christian sites debating if they want to stay as they are or become orthodox Christian sites.

Haven't found one yet.

But I shall continue to search . . .
LOL! Exactly.

[InGodsLovingHands]

Well that wasn't much of an announcement lol, I hope Erwin makes the right decision. This website is a Christian stronghold & we can be accepting of others without losing our identity. Having a united Christian front will really limit the amount of flaming and jib-jab going on recently.

Keep voting guys! :pray:

PS: Implying the owners of this site are satanic is a little mean dude.. :(

I voted, and agree with your comment about the site owners obviously not being satanic, and that to say that was a little mean by the comment maker; although they are not thinking clearly, and somewhat corrupting the site.

It was made for Christians, to safely house Christians with as little outside corruption as possible.

There are hardly any Christian-Only sites left, or even ones that house both Christian and possible Christians, it's so sad. : (

I'm praying for this. God's will be done with this, his will be done in all things!:groupray:

Lord I give this issue up to you. Thank you Jesus. Amen!
Love you Little Brother!
God Bless you all!

"The exhaulted shall be humbled, and the humbled shall be exhaulted.":wave: :angel:

[Followers4christ]

Thank you all for voting to keep CF a christian site.God bless you all.:)


The poll is now closed the final results are:

Option 1 474 votes 45.66%

Option 2 564 votes 54.34%

[soblessed53]

Option (2) will keep CF a Christian "site with Christian leadership.CF will keep the name (Christian) Forums and will further unite fellow Christian brothers as one body.It will also be a site where Christians can talk and discuss biblical issues without unbelievers trying to tear down new fellow brothers faith in Jesus Christ."


Since CF has "NEVER" been anything close to "this", since I first joined, in fact has gotten progressively further away from this,no way do I believe this will happen,I'm sorry to say! :doh:

[thereselittleflower]

I never even saw the poll . . . .

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[FriendsFellowship]

Thank you all for voting to keep CF a christian site.God bless you all.:)


The poll is now closed the final results are:

Option 1 474 votes 45.66%

Option 2 564 votes 54.34%

The results of this poll are meaningless:

http://www3.christianforums.com/images/icons/icon3.gif All these polls...

Hi everyone

It's Sunday morning here, and I'm sick in bed with a cold. God will heal me.

Just letting everyone know I am keeping track of the polls. However, in the end, the decision of whether to change the name of the site (which is still a possibility) and change the vision of the site will remain mine. The truth is, whatever happens, it would be impossible to please all members, and members will leave the site (whether we become too "liberal" or "conservative", too "inclusive" or "exclusive").

I'm just making this post to let people know that the polls will assist and guide me, but will not make the final decisions for me. :)

God bless everyone who is participating in forming the future of this site. I'm closing this thread as the above is not for discussion, but a note to members.

Link: http://www.christianforums.com/t5840623-all-these-polls.html

[soblessed53]

The results of this poll are meaningless:



Link: http://www.christianforums.com/t5840623-all-these-polls.html


Probably right,there.When I first saw this thread,I thought,"probably another worthless WIKI",Even worse,it's a poll that's over,and I doubt many of us ever knew about it,I know I didn't.

[FriendsFellowship]

The poll was still worthwhile, seeing who voted which way is interesting if nothing else!

[MrJim]

The poll was still worthwhile, seeing who voted which way is interesting if nothing else!
Don't think I've ever seen you around these parts before, howdy:wave:

[FriendsFellowship]

Hi MrJim :wave:

[Daylily_Blue]

The Christians just got fed to the lions.

[HypnoToad]

I knew the poll was just a pantload, that Erwin was just gonna change it no matter what.

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[WarriorAngel]

http://christianexchange.forumco.com/default.asp

[NewGuy101]

http://christianexchange.forumco.com/default.asp

There is no reformed forum there. :(

[Time2BCounted]

http://p067.ezboard.com/bntymezapostacywarriorz

This is a new CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN site that is designed to address the apostacy of the church and conservative Christian doctrine. If this site doesn't want to be 'christian' any longer, i am sure people here will be glad to see people coming to their new board.

God bless

[Lel]

I voted. Option 2 was winning. Option 1 was implemented.

*shrug*