Something to share

[HBCountry]

Hi all, I am a newbie so please don't be angry with me if this has already been posted.
This is a link to "That's my King". One of the most inspiring testaments I have ever heard.

If you have a slow dial-up connection as I do, you may not be able to watch the video. But you can download the audio (5megs). It is well worth the time to download, in my opinion.

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I withdraw my offer to share this beautiful testament about Jesus Christ - my King. A most intolerant bunch, you are. If you are so weak in your faith as to be afraid you will 'see' a porn site then you have no faith.

You missed out on something wonderful.

[Lisa0315]

Hi all, I am a newbie so please don't be angry with me if this has already been posted.
This is a link to "That's my King". One of the most inspiring testaments I have ever heard.

If you have a slow dial-up connection as I do, you may not be able to watch the video. But you can download the audio (5megs). It is well worth the time to download, in my opinion.

4-14.org.uk/thats-my-king-s-m-lockridge

Well, I appreciate that, but you may want to delete the post and tell people in PM as you meet them. This is considered spamming, I think. I know of at least one person who has been banned for doing something similar.

Lisa

[MrJim]

And I never open a link by new people under 100 posts~been burned a couple of times on porno spam :doh:

No offense hbcountry, just get a little cynical...

[Hishandmaiden]

And I never open a link by new people under 100 posts~been burned a couple of times on porno spam :doh:

No offense hbcountry, just get a little cynical...
People here actually do porno spam?

[Lisa0315]

This looks like a hit and run. Should we report?

Lisa

[HBCountry]

You people are unbelievable.

Sure dear, you go ahead and report.

Just wanted to share something beautiful with fellow Christians.

Hit and run? Maybe hit and leave. If you posters are an example of what this forum is about - I want no part of it. Perhaps I try another section.

Perhaps there will be more Christian-like behavior on them.

[Lisa0315]

You people are unbelievable.

Sure dear, you go ahead and report.

Just wanted to share something beautiful with fellow Christians.

Hit and run? Maybe hit and leave. If you posters are an example of what this forum is about - I want no part of it. Perhaps I try another section.

Perhaps there will be more Christian-like behavior on them.

Now, hold on. You are too new to understand our reactions.

First, your post is technically against the rules. Second, you did not stick around for us to know if you were a troll or not. Third, we have been burned before with people claiming to send us to a Christian site, but instead it was something that was very sinful or mean.

Lisa

[HBCountry]

There is nothing mean or sinful about the site.

:scratch:It would seem logical to me that one would check out the site before passing judgment.

Being 'new' has nothing to do with my reaction. I have been on many forums and know and understand how they work.

It seems to me that most of you over -reacted. I make no apologies for my post or my link. It is a blessing (the link) to all that hear it.

[Lisa0315]

There is nothing mean or sinful about the site.

:scratch:It would seem logical to me that one would check out the site before passing judgment.

Being 'new' has nothing to do with my reaction. I have been on many forums and know and understand how they work.

It seems to me that most of you over -reacted. I make no apologies for my post or my link. It is a blessing (the link) to all that hear it.

This is the largest Christian site on the internet, so we get alot of spammers. If you will read the comments, you will see that it is not personal against you, but because people have come in and sent people to porn sites. They did this maliciously and with intent to harm. I am not saying that you have done this but that we have all become wary of links by people that we do not know or who have low post counts.

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

There is nothing mean or sinful about the site.

:scratch:It would seem logical to me that one would check out the site before passing judgment.

Being 'new' has nothing to do with my reaction. I have been on many forums and know and understand how they work.

It seems to me that most of you over -reacted. I make no apologies for my post or my link. It is a blessing (the link) to all that hear it.

It's the iternet your not well know at this site so we need to be careful because of what you may be trying to expose both us and our computers to.

[Voegelin]

I do not watch videos as a rule anyways. If I watched every video someone said is worth watching, I would be doing nothing else. Why spend 5 minutes watching someone talk when you can read a 5 minute speech in 30 seconds or less?

[Albion]

It's the iternet your not well know at this site so we need to be careful because of what you may be trying to expose both us and our computers to.

Agreed, and if it is against the rules, no reasonable person should take offense.

I notice, BTW, that HBCountry wanted to inform us about that website but didn't inform us at all about himself, not by a church identification or any other of the customary personal data that might have made us less cautious.

[HBCountry]

I withdraw my offer to share this beautiful testament about Jesus Christ - my King. A most intolerant bunch, you are. If you are so weak in your faith as to be afraid you will 'see' a porn site then you have no faith.

You missed out on something wonderful.

This will be my last post on this subject. God Bless.

[Lisa0315]

I withdraw my offer to share this beautiful testament about Jesus Christ - my King. A most intolerant bunch, you are. If you are so weak in your faith as to be afraid you will 'see' a porn site then you have no faith.

You missed out on something wonderful.

This will be my last post on this subject. God Bless.

It is not a lack of faith, but experience with wolves. You may or may not be who you say you are. Caution on any website is a needful fact of life, but if you wish to be offended about it, that is your choice.

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

This has become basic web etiquette for larger sites like this one. And when you consider the fact that it could be a porn bomb or even if it isn't that doesn't mean that someone is intentionaly leading to a sit full of virus or spyware. I'm not saying that he was doing this I'm just trying to offer a little better explaination to anyone new who may read this thread as far as why there is some much concern.

[Lisa0315]

Ultimately, you cannot please everyone. I think any reasonable person would see that it was a matter of caution rather than a personal attack. Whatever...

Lisa

[Albion]

Ultimately, you cannot please everyone. I think any reasonable person would see that it was a matter of caution rather than a personal attack. Whatever...

Lisa

And perhaps one more thing. I don't care for the idea that on a discussion forum ANYONE simply posts links and says, "Read this. You'll like it." If a discussion is going on and a link amplifies something or answers a question asked, that's one thing. But this is a discussion board, not a bulletin board.

[Lisa0315]

And perhaps one more thing. I don't care for the idea that on a discussion forum ANYONE simply posts links and says, "Read this. You'll like it." If a discussion is going on and a link amplifies something or answers a question asked, that's one thing. But this is a discussion board, not a bulletin board.

Agreed! :thumbsup:

Lisa

[IamRedeemed]

Hey all. I can understand your concern about links directing to another place than it appears and risk having your computer wiped out or your personal data stolen, so I thought I'd let you in on a little mousing secret. If you hover your mouse over a link, (no clicking) whether it is in a forum or email etc., a little yellow box will pop up and show you the url it is going to, so that you can see if it is some wacky address or an address other than the one posted. Hope that helps some for the future with a little technique for damage control prevention. :thumbsup:

But I need to ask to make sure I didn't recently break the rules, as I posted a link to a utube video.
I knew we couldn't post to another forum. Can someone tell me what the specific infraction would have been in HB's case? It was a testimony, right? Is that really against the rules here? :scratch:

[Lisa0315]

Hey all. I can understand your concern about links directing to another place than it appears and risk having your computer wiped out or your personal data stolen, so I thought I'd let you in on a little mousing secret. If you hover your mouse over a link, (no clicking) whether it is in a forum or email etc., a little yellow box will pop up and show you the url it is going to, so that you can see if it is some wacky address or an address other than the one posted. Hope that helps some for the future with a little technique for damage control prevention. :thumbsup:

But I need to ask to make sure I didn't recently break the rules, as I posted a link to a utube video.
I knew we couldn't post to another forum. Can someone tell me what the specific infraction would have been in HB's case? It was a testimony, right? Is that really against the rules here? :scratch:


I think, emphasis, think that if the thread is started for the sole purpose of linking to another site, it is considered spamming. I am not so sure that is still true under the new rules. However, linking to an interesting site in the context of the discussion is okay. For example, if we are talking about Ancient Hebrew language, and I provided a link to the Ancient Hebrew alphabet, that would be okay to do.

The problem is that if you do not know the poster, if they are new, and they disappear for awhile, we tend to think that it may be problematic. I haven't been linked to porn, but I did have my identity stolen. Not that is related to this site, but it taught me to be very, very cautious.

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

Hey all. I can understand your concern about links directing to another place than it appears and risk having your computer wiped out or your personal data stolen, so I thought I'd let you in on a little mousing secret. If you hover your mouse over a link, (no clicking) whether it is in a forum or email etc., a little yellow box will pop up and show you the url it is going to, so that you can see if it is some wacky address or an address other than the one posted. Hope that helps some for the future with a little technique for damage control prevention. :thumbsup:

Thank you for the tip but I'm worried about virus, and spyware


But I need to ask to make sure I didn't recently break the rules, as I posted a link to a utube video.
I knew we couldn't post to another forum. Can someone tell me what the specific infraction would have been in HB's case? It was a testimony, right? Is that really against the rules here? :scratch:


I wouldn't really worry about it people don't usually get bent out of shape over this sort of thing unless new and linking to an unknown site.

[MrJim]

I got nailed twice and decided to not risk it anymore~the last time was really bad, and what was deceiving about it was that the url was a decent sounding thing, it's just that when it finally loaded it changed and BAM I got a faceful of gay porn.

So I said never again. And I make no apologies for it.

Strange thing was that both times were on a Sunday morning. Thankfully I was always able to hunt down a mod somewhere (there's always a Catholic mod available it seems) and get it removed.

[Megatherium]

I can't believe the reception you gave this person! If I were him I would've left too. He posted a link in one post to something he finds inspirational and every reply to his post just seems to be piling on him. First he's accused of spamming, which is (currently at least) defined in the rules as "promoting personal commercial ventures, repeatedly duplicating the verbiage of one’s previous posts, or separating a single sentence into several posts", none of which was done. Then someone says it might be porn. Then when he didn't reply within a few hours, his post is declared a "hit and run". Not everyone spends every waking hour posting on internet forums!

Next someone decides to use this thread, started by a new guy who no one's had anything nice to say about yet, to complain about people posting videos in general. Why couldn't this complaint have gone in one of the many "watch this video" threads started by established users? And then someone points out that he hasn't given out any personal information, which supposedly made him more suspicious. So what? A lot of people don't! And it would only take a few seconds for a spammer to make something up.

I understand that people have had problems with links from new people before but this person never did anything to any of you. Couldn't you have given him the benefit of the doubt? Did anyone even bother saying so much as "welcome"? If you had concerns about the link, you didn't have to follow it. If you thought he needed to be told about those concerns, couldn't you have addressed them in a PM instead of a deluge of replies to his post that to a new user could easily interpret as accusations?

[Joykins]

That's My King is an inspirational video, if it's the same one shown at my (conservative) church. It is worth watching.

[CyberPaladin]

Look his behavior is classic newbie short term member they storm ingore basic etiquette and when anyone tries to tell them anything about how things are done on the board they blowup at them since they know how things should be run.

I have seen it dozens of times really all it shows is our section has become real board.

[MrJim]

Look his behavior is classic newbie short term member they storm ingore basic etiquette and when anyone tries to tell them anything about how things are done on the board they blowup at them since they know how things should be run.

I have seen it dozens of times really all it shows is our section has become real board.

:amen:

[Lisa0315]

It cannot be helped. People have been burned. If you haven't, then, God bless you, but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to have had the same experience. We live in the world in which we have to be very careful. I think the proper response from the newbie would have been to reassure us that no harm was intended, describe the video, etc.

There was no need for him/her to storm off in a huff.

Lisa

[CyberPaladin]

Personaly I think the thing to do Lisa would have been take down video and wait awhile until he was better known.

[IamRedeemed]

Yes, I realize what the concern is. And I shared with you some information to lessen your fears.

And by being able to see the web url, you are able to see if it is a whacky address. And of you are still leary of it, you can then copy and paste it (if you also wish to show good will to the new person) into google and see what pops up before you just cast it aside.

I pm'd HBCountry. She is a sweet lady and she gave me the link (I also found the video on Utube).

And I have to tell you, you all missed out on both counts! I got to meet a really nice lady AND I got blessed via the link she shared! Thank you HBCountry!


Thank you for the tip but I'm worried about virus, and spyware



I wouldn't really worry about it people don't usually get bent out of shape over this sort of thing unless new and linking to an unknown site.

[IamRedeemed]

It was a video message that magnified the Lord and was very inspiring and uplifting. The poor lady was just trying to share something that she was excited about as a nice gesture and trying to make some new friends.

If you all would have googled the address you would have see many other links to the video and one even at utube and you could have enjoyed it risk free, made someone feel welcome and made a new friend. You all missed out big time and should extend a word of apology to her if you haven't already, for misjudging her and her intentions.




I think, emphasis, think that if the thread is started for the sole purpose of linking to another site, it is considered spamming. I am not so sure that is still true under the new rules. However, linking to an interesting site in the context of the discussion is okay. For example, if we are talking about Ancient Hebrew language, and I provided a link to the Ancient Hebrew alphabet, that would be okay to do.

The problem is that if you do not know the poster, if they are new, and they disappear for awhile, we tend to think that it may be problematic. I haven't been linked to porn, but I did have my identity stolen. Not that is related to this site, but it taught me to be very, very cautious.

Lisa

[IamRedeemed]

He, is a she and from my perspective there most certainly was, and
I wouldn't be surprised if she left crying. :cry:


It cannot be helped. People have been burned. If you haven't, then, God bless you, but that doesn't mean that everyone is going to have had the same experience. We live in the world in which we have to be very careful. I think the proper response from the newbie would have been to reassure us that no harm was intended, describe the video, etc.

There was no need for him/her to storm off in a huff.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

It was a video message that magnified the Lord and was very inspiring and uplifting. The poor lady was just trying to share something that she was excited about as a nice gesture and trying to make some new friends.

If you all would have googled the address you would have see many other links to the video and one even at utube and you could have enjoyed it risk free, made someone feel welcome and made a new friend. You all missed out big time and should extend a word of apology to her if you haven't already, for misjudging her and her intentions.




I am very quick to apologize most of the time, but in this case, I neither judged this lady nor have anything to apologize for. All that was said was that it was suspect. If she is so easily offended by that, that is not my fault.

It is up to you to choose to take such a risk. However, we also have the choice to not take such a risk. Regardless, you cannot argue that there was not a risk and if you tried, all I can say is that would be an extremely naive position.

Porn has been posted in the guise of a Christian link. Viruses are rampant. Spyware caused me to lose $700 out of my checking account. So, to act as if we are all being extremely unfair and meanspirited, in my opinion, is wrong of both you and her.

All of this was explained many times.

Lisa

[IamRedeemed]

From my viewpoint, it appears that you all ganged up on her, and treated her like a criminal. If that is not a reason to apologize after learning by 1st hand account of experience with her and her link that you all were wrong, then I do not know what is. :shrug:

What else can I say?

[Lisa0315]

From my viewpoint, it appears that you all ganged up on her, and treated her like a criminal. If that is not a reason to apologize after learning by 1st hand account of experience with her and her link that you all were wrong, then I do not know what is. :shrug:

What else can I say?


This is the whole reason why threads where the only purpose is a link to another site is against the rules. We did nothing wrong.

Would you have preferred that we simply reported her?

Lisa

[Macrina]

Is that against the rules? I didn't know that.


I would have phrased it differently. Maybe said "thanks for the link, but since we've had problems with spammers, I play it safe and don't click on links from people I don't know." I think there's a line between being cautious and being accusatory, and the difference is breaking fellowship with a potential new friend.

[Lisa0315]

Is that against the rules? I didn't know that.


I would have phrased it differently. Maybe said "thanks for the link, but since we've had problems with spammers, I play it safe and don't click on links from people I don't know." I think there's a line between being cautious and being accusatory, and the difference is breaking fellowship with a potential new friend.

Well, we are being called accusatory, but here is my first reply to the person:

Well, I appreciate that, but you may want to delete the post and tell people in PM as you meet them. This is considered spamming, I think. I know of at least one person who has been banned for doing something similar.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

And here is Mr. Jim's first reply...again not accusatory, perfectly reasonable.

And I never open a link by new people under 100 posts~been burned a couple of times on porno spam :doh:

No offense hbcountry, just get a little cynical...

[Lisa0315]

Then the NEXT DAY, when there had been no reply from the OP, I asked if anyone else thought it was a hit and run post and should we report it...The OP then replies:

Wow!


You people are unbelievable.

Sure dear, you go ahead and report.

Just wanted to share something beautiful with fellow Christians.

Hit and run? Maybe hit and leave. If you posters are an example of what this forum is about - I want no part of it. Perhaps I try another section.

Perhaps there will be more Christian-like behavior on them.

[Lisa0315]

Which I then tried to make nice...

Now, hold on. You are too new to understand our reactions.

First, your post is technically against the rules. Second, you did not stick around for us to know if you were a troll or not. Third, we have been burned before with people claiming to send us to a Christian site, but instead it was something that was very sinful or mean.

[Macrina]

Well, we are being called accusatory, but here is my first reply to the person:

Well, I appreciate that, but you may want to delete the post and tell people in PM as you meet them. This is considered spamming, I think. I know of at least one person who has been banned for doing something similar.

Lisa

Yes, and that was fine, but I would not have suggested reporting. And when I realized that the person was offended, I would have tried to extend friendship rather than get defensive. If something you say is taken the wrong way (even if you don't believe it's your fault), there's no reason not to extend the first olive branch. This is especially true when a newcomer is unsure of her welcome.

[Lisa0315]

So, honestly, I do not know why people are being so ugly to me and Jim about this. If anyone is owed an apology, it would be us. We didn't do anything wrong. Instead, it looks more like people are not even bothering to read how this came about...

We protected ourselves, were as nice about it as could be, and then have to defend our actions from everyone. Not good...

Lisa

[Joykins]

You know, I have seen links to videos or sermons posted in Congregational forums before with no problem. Generally people are only suspicious if the poster is very new to CF, but even then it might be worth checking out the link (by which I mean researching it, not clicking on it) before giving the person the 3rd degree?

[Lisa0315]

Yes, and that was fine, but I would not have suggested reporting. And when I realized that the person was offended, I would have tried to extend friendship rather than get defensive. If something you say is taken the wrong way (even if you don't believe it's your fault), there's no reason not to extend the first olive branch. This is especially true when a newcomer is unsure of her welcome.

I suggested reporting after a whole day had passed with no reply from the OP. OP was on the 30th. I suggested a report on the 31st. Then, the OP returns and gets mad about it. I could have just reported it and not tried to save them from a ban.


Lisa

[Lisa0315]

You know, I have seen links to videos or sermons posted in Congregational forums before with no problem. Generally people are only suspicious if the poster is very new to CF, but even then it might be worth checking out the link (by which I mean researching it, not clicking on it) before giving the person the 3rd degree?

Joykins,
No one gave the OP the third degree, and I am beginning to resent this whole conversation. All we did was try to explain to the OP why we had such a reaction to a newbie link. What she did is flat out against the rules. I think next time I will just report it, let the person get banned, and just exactly what kind of welcome do you think that will be?

Lisa

[Macrina]

So, honestly, I do not know why people are being so ugly to me and Jim about this. If anyone is owed an apology, it would be us. We didn't do anything wrong. Instead, it looks more like people are not even bothering to read how this came about...

We protected ourselves, were as nice about it as could be, and then have to defend our actions from everyone. Not good...

Lisa

I wasn't aware that I was being ugly. I thought I suggested the approach that I would have taken, and emphasized the importance of fellowship.

Established members, even in an internet forum, are in a position of power. We have the opportunity to affect how welcome others feel here.

If I was ugly to you, please show me and I'll apologize and edit the post. Such was certainly not my intent; I just wanted to offer suggestions for how to handle such things in the future -- namely, to kindly explain the issue without getting into reporting and defensiveness

[Lisa0315]

I wasn't aware that I was being ugly. I thought I suggested the approach that I would have taken, and emphasized the importance of fellowship.

Established members, even in an internet forum, are in a position of power. We have the opportunity to affect how welcome others feel here.

If I was ugly to you, please show me and I'll apologize and edit the post. Such was certainly not my intent; I just wanted to offer suggestions for how to handle such things in the future -- namely, to kindly explain the issue without getting into reporting and defensiveness

There it is...defensiveness...that implies that we did something wrong, know that we did, but refuse to make it right. I consider that "ugly".

I assure you that your position on this will be different when you click on a link that takes you to a site that you do not want to go to. There is a reason it is in the rules, and the only thing that was done in this thread was explain the rules to this person. The mention of reporting was because the OP had disappeared giving further assertion that it was spam. The OP did not even attempt to understand why people were wary of a link such as this. The OP was the first person to "raise their voice" at everyone else. In fact, the OP questioned our Christianity, then, stomped off like a petulant child.

All I can say is...whatever...Like I said, watch and see if I ever try to help out a newbie again only to be called to task for it later.

Lisa

[Macrina]

There it is...defensiveness...that implies that we did something wrong, know that we did, but refuse to make it right. I consider that "ugly".

I assure you that your position on this will be different when you click on a link that takes you to a site that you do not want to go to. There is a reason it is in the rules, and the only thing that was done in this thread was explain the rules to this person. The mention of reporting was because the OP had disappeared giving further assertion that it was spam. The OP did not even attempt to understand why people were wary of a link such as this. The OP was the first person to "raise their voice" at everyone else. In fact, the OP questioned our Christianity, then, stomped off like a petulant child.

All I can say is...whatever...Like I said, watch and see if I ever try to help out a newbie again only to be called to task for it later.

Lisa

I'm sorry, I didn't think the word "defensiveness" implied that you were in the wrong. I used it in the sense of "defending one's position" -- like, your emphasis seemed to be on proving your point rather than on establishing friendship.

You handled the situation the way you thought was best. I'm not attacking you for it, just saying how I would have responded. You may take it into consideration, or not, but I would have waited longer than a day before drawing any conclusions about the nature of the post.

I hope I have made it clear that I am not trying to be ugly to you, and I'm not attacking you for how you responded. I'm offering some thoughts on the matter, that is all. No attack or ugliness was intended in any way.

[MrJim]

:doh:

Thanks Lisa for defending me in my absence.

The rest of you: :P

Love,
Jim

[Joykins]

Lisa, this is nothing personal, you and Mr. Jim have done nothing wrong in telling others to be wary of links from new posters. It is a good rule of thumb. My phrase 3rd degree was probably too harsh.

I'm putting on my old Ombudsman hat now.

Is it against the rules?

Spamming?
3.1 No Spamming3.1 Spamming will not be tolerated. It is defined as promoting personal commercial ventures, repeatedly duplicating the verbiage of one’s previous posts, or separating a single sentence into several posts.

Not spamming, it doesn't fit the definition.

I can't find anything here defining spamming more narrowly. http://www.christianforums.com/t5716860-wiki-conservative-christians-forum.html

Perhaps I am missing something though. Is it another rule, or in an older rule that is now gone?

I understand being wary of a new poster posting links. I don't click media links myself because I have turned my sound off. But that doesn't make it spam, or get anyone banned. This was a video I have played for a church service.

[Macrina]

:doh:

Thanks Lisa for defending me in my absence.

The rest of you: :P

Love,
Jim

May I reiterate that I was not attacking? There is no need to defend against me.

[MrJim]

May I reiterate that I was not attacking? There is no need to defend against me.

Why are you getting defensive about me being defended? :D :D

[Joykins]

Are you offended
About being defended?
Or are you offended
About not being defended?
Or are you defended
while being offended?
Or are you defended
While not being offended?

Offention, detention, diddly boom
Don't post linkies and come back soon!

[MrJim]

Are you offended
About being defended?
Or are you offended
About not being defended?
Or are you defended
while being offended?
Or are you defended
While not being offended?

Offention, detention, diddly boom
Don't post linkies and come back soon!

...mebbe we call you 52cent ;)