Hell

[barrykind]

By the resistance on recent posts involving hell, i thought maybe some would like to read this letter i received; :)

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Part 1


Posted by barrykind (Member # 35) ondocument.writeln(timestamp(new Date(2007,5,15,6,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); June 15, 2007 05:29 AM :

Dear Friends –

Real Christians KNOW some things. Christians KNOW they deserve to go
to hell as sure as they KNOW why they will NOT get what they
deserve. We are saved by grace through repentance and FAITH in the
sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, UNTO good works. For we are his
workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath
before ordained that we should walk in them. And Jesus said unto
them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath
sent. That means believing who He IS the very I AM who spoke with
Abraham and Moses, and believing ALL He said, including the facts
and realities of hell.

In these last days of strong delusion and great apostasy, perhaps
one of the most dangerous things anyone could do is listen to a
teacher who would teach that hell is not real. All of us natural
born sinners would quite naturally like to believe such a lie.
Sadly, it has become fashionable to deny the reality of hell.

Real biblical Christianity has historically taught that there is
only one of two possible destinations awaiting mankind after death:
heaven or hell. To those who have been justified by faith and
received the righteousness of Christ applied to their account, there
awaits a glorious eternity in the Kingdom of Heaven. To the rest who
willfully reject God's gift of salvation, or who attempts to appease
God's demand for perfection by some other way, other than trusting
in the righteousness of Christ, there awaits the terrors of hell.

In these last days of strong delusion it is not just the Jehovah
Witnesses, Mormons, and other NON-Christian cults, who deny the
reality of hell. The Mormons will lie and say they do believe in
hell, but that is no less of a lie then when they say they are
Christians. The entire Mormon religion and their false prophet
Joseph Smith is full of lies and duplicity, designed to lead them
all to be with Joseph Smith, Mohammed, and the rest of Satan's
false prophets now in the everlasting burning torments of hell.
Sadly, in these last days of strong delusion, when men will NOT
endure Sound Doctrine, teachers who present themselves to be
Christians or Messianic believers, more often than not minimize or
even deny the reality of hell. The Word of God teaches that hell is
as real as heaven and will last as long as heaven.

It is important for believers in these last days to KNOW and
articulate the facts, truth, and reality of the place of eternal
torment created for the devil and his angels known as hell. For we
are to be the witnesses of the Truths revealed and taught by Yeshua,
the Lord Jesus Christ. Compassion does not work on most hell bound
people today. Yes, of some few to have compassion, can make a
difference. We need to know by the Spirit of Truth when we are
dealing with such a rare exception. However, in these last days
marked by apostasy, strong delusion, false teachers, the vast
majority can only be led to want to be saved by the necessary truths
of the Word of God, to cause them to FEAR. The others, of whom Jude
spoke, even over 95% of whom would today call themselves Christians
or Messianic believers, need to be saved, or born again, AGAIN. The
only way to move the self sanctified ones bound for hell is by means
of fear as Jude so clearly stated. And others save with fear,
pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the
flesh.

Jesus taught more regarding the fact, truth and reality of hell,
than He taught of heaven. He KNEW the certain rich man and He knew
Lazarus. This is not a parable or story. The Lord said a CERTAIN
rich man. He knew this man and He knew that the man was in the
torment of Hell. Listen carefully to what Jesus told those most
religiously certain they were saved covenant people of God:

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before
men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed
among men is abomination in the sight of God. The law and the
prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is
preached, and every man presseth into it. And it is easier for
heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail. Jesus
then want on to speak of CERTAIN real people whom He knew, to teach
us some facts and truths we MUST understand in these last days of
strong delusion. I pray we will all have ears to hear what the LORD
said about these certain people He knew, and the certain eternal
destiny, which He knew them to have.

There was a CERTAIN rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine
linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain
beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And
desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's
table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to
pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into
Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in HELL
he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham,
have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his
finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this
flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime
receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but
now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this,
between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which
would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore,
father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have
five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come
into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses
and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father
Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.




Part 2 on next post......




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[barrykind]

Part 2

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Inside this earth right now are millions of lost souls, burning in
torment, with absolute total hopelessness. And what are we doing to
avoid such a place? Hate crimes, or no hate crimes, how could we say
we love someone and not give warning of the fact and reality of such
a possible eternal destiny? Those would dare to call themselves
Christian and teach that hell is not real, are FAR removed from
LOVE, regardless of how highly they think of themselves. Such will
lead to that place of torment by their lies and vain imaginations,
which exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Such make the
LORD to be a liar by their vain deceptions teaching hell is not a
real place of eternal torment.

This is the word of God as much as anything else in the bible. Mark
9:43-48; And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for
thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into
hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm
dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend
thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life,
than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never
shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not
quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better
for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having
two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and
the fire is not quenched.

Whom shall we believe? The Lord Jesus Christ, who IS The Truth
personified, or the local liar for hire who tells us what we want to
hear? The Lord said THEIR worm, not a worm, or the worm, but THEIR
worm. The earth's crust on land is about 50 miles thick in most
places. However, in parts of the ocean floor, the earth's crust is
less than a mile thick. Recently cracks have been discovered on the
ocean floor where molten rock was leaking out. Around those hot
places on the ocean floor where the molten lava was coming out very,
very, deep in the ocean floor were found big worms, yes like eight
foot long worms, found no where else on the planet. These worms are
called Riftia. Riftia pachyptila live over a mile deep on the floor
of the ocean near hydrothermal vents called black smokers first
discovered in 1977. The temperature of the water at the vent can
reach 750 F degrees. These worms up to 8 feet can obviously tolerate
extremely high temperatures, high pressures, and total darkness.

Hell is a place where their worm dieth not and the fire is not
quenced and in total darkness.

Finding the grace of God in repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ is the ONLY way to avoid the eternal destiny known as hell.
Inside this earth is a lake of fire and brimstone, the reality of
which has been known by those who believe the Word of God for
thousands of years. Recent scientific discoveries in this last
generation confirm that is indeed what is deep under the earth's
crust. Literally fire and brimstone. Volcanoes blast streams of
molten sulphur, which has been scientifically verified only as
recently as 2002. The bible had this unchanging truth recorded for
thousands of years.

It is humanly impossible to comprehend the Bible description of
hell. Nothing on earth can compare with it. No nightmare could
produce a terror to match that of hell. Jesus Christ spoke more on
hell than any other subject. Just look at how Jesus described hell:
fire Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41, everlasting fire Matt 18:8, 25:41
eternal damnation Mark 3:29, hell fire Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
damnation Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47, damnation of hell Matt
23:33, resurrection of damnation John 5:29, furnace of fire Matt
13:42, 50, the fire that never shall be quenched Mark 9:43, 45, the
fire is not quenched Mark 9:44, 46, 48, Where their worm dieth not
Mark 9:44, 46, 48, wailing and gnashing of teeth, Matt 13:42, 50,
weeping and gnashing of teeth Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30, torments Luke
16:23, tormented in this flame Luke 16:24, place of torment Luke
16:28, outer darkness Matt 8:12, 22:13, everlasting punishment Matt
25:46

Hebrews 9:27 says, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but
after this THE JUDGEMENT: The Lord told us these truths because He
love us and does not want that to be our destiny. The teacher who
would teach that hell is not real is NOT loving you. Hell IS Real.
That is a title of an article on the GJiGT which is being updated
with these and many more scripture proofs that hell is real. Why
that is being done is that you will not go to that real place by
design or default. The updated article will also have a picture of
those astonishing worms that live under such high pressure, total
darkness, and high temperatures. That link is
http://www.dccsa. (http://www.dccsa./) com/greatjoy/ hellis.htm

Only be very strong and of good courage. Stay IN the Word.

From Chittim, Isa 23:1,

Shalom & Simcha,
Jim Searcy
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[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

After reading your post: I wondered if you received it from a letter, in personal message?

I ask because: if it was a personal message. I know some are offended if one makes open to all; What someone sent in confidence. And I know in some forums this is a strong rule; and can be warned and even banned for this.

I am not saying you did anything wrong in posting it: but only wondered if it was a personal message: and if you knew about the general protocol of keeping private messages private?

But I will say its a strongly worded post you received.

I only sought your thoughts and opinion on protocol of repeating personal messages of others which we receive. I have not yet repeated one yet for fear of offending the sender, and have not your courage.

I ask that no one take offense by my words or opinions for I mean no offense.

God bless Christian Forum and all who us it.

[barrykind]

Thankyou for your concearn. No its not a personal letter just sent to me. I received and have corresponded with Mr. Jim Searcy many times.

He does not have any thing aginst distributing his letters.

:)

love barry

[staveoffzombies]

Hmmm, he claims Hell is INSIDE the Earth...which he couldn't have any proff for...nor does it make any sense.

And many of us believe in hell, we simply believe it is a place of temporal punishment and correction. But maybe we should stop taking all those verses that talk about Jesus being the Saviour of all at face value....

[Tavita]

I use to read Jim Searcy's site all the time until I realized not everything he wrote was truth. He's one of those who believe the KJV is THE only version etc, and makes a big deal out of hell. Not exactly the 'good news'.

[brimac]

I use to read Jim Searcy's site all the time until I realized not everything he wrote was truth. He's one of those who believe the KJV is THE only version etc, and makes a big deal out of hell. Not exactly the 'good news'.
No not at all! Rather a "different gospel" isnt it?

[Amisk]

I use to read Jim Searcy's site all the time until I realized not everything he wrote was truth. He's one of those who believe the KJV is THE only version etc, and makes a big deal out of hell. Not exactly the 'good news'.

I have never come in contact with Jim Searcy, nor his teaching but I would like to point out two things in relationship to your comments.

1. is a little storywritten by Len Colp concerning translations . It goes this way: "My wife and I were passing out Gideon International New Testaments at the recent International Plowing Match at Keene, Ontario. A friendly farmer dropped by our booth to chat. He told me this little story.

"A farmer had a elderly friend who was 95 years young. So the farmer thought he would seek the old gent’s advice on which was the best translation of the Bible to buy.

After listening to the question the old gentleman sat quietly for a few minutes, then leaning back in his rocker he answered, " I guess, I would have to say that the best translation is the one that is read."

That's my view too on Bible translations.

2. You speak as if you think that Hell is not too important. Jesus talked more about Hell than He did about Heaven. He didn't necessarily give His life on Calvary so that men and women could get into Heaven, He died that they might escape Hell. It is important to realize that no man can escape Hell but through the death and resurrection of Christ and their personal confession of their own sin.

If every Christian spend 5 minutes in Hell, we would likely not look to our present world, as Lot looked to the city of Sodom, for the Bible tells us that they didn't take him serious when he came to warning them of the coming destruction, because he didn't appear to be serious.

No minister can preach on a more grievous subject in keeping with the scriptures, than Hell. One of the reasons that sinners don't trouble themselves to get converted is because the Christian they work with and minister in the pulpit don't take the Biblical warning of Hell seriously. When was the last time your minister stood in the pulpit and talked about a physical place called Hell? When was the last time that you spoke to some one in general conversation as if Hell was more than a swear word?

[Tavita]

That's my view too on Bible translations.

That's good. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I simply gave mine.


2. You speak as if you think that Hell is not too important.

It may seem that way to you, but I don't believe that hell is the fiery place of eternal torment that's been taught by the church in general since the Dark Ages.

I believe hell is the place where the dead sleep until the two resurrections. I do not believe in Dantes hell.

I believe that we will all have to face judgment, and God's judgment is severe. We will all have to face Him as our works are judged by fire to see if they will stand on the foundation that is Christ Jesus. Everyone's works will be tested by the fire of God's Word.


Jesus talked more about Hell than He did about Heaven. He didn't necessarily give His life on Calvary so that men and women could get into Heaven, He died that they might escape Hell.

Jesus spoke about Gehenna. The judgement of Gehenna was a judgement against Judah for burning their children to the god Molech outside the city of Jerusalem. The Jews of Jesus time knew exactly what He was referring to. The Jews of Jesus time had no concept of the hell of eternal fire and torture that we in the modern western world do.

Jesus didn't die so we could escape hell, He died to save us from sin and death.

Rom 8:2 But the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh;
Rom 8:4 so that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.


No minister can preach on a more grievous subject in keeping with the scriptures, than Hell.

Can you name me one time that the Apostle Paul preached on hell?

To be holy as God is holy by threatening with hell is not the good news. The good news is that Christ has died for ALL men, and it is far better to obey God and to be holy as He is holy because we 'love' Him. He died for us while we were yet sinners. His Holy Spirit is the one who convicts the world of sin, and that is done through the Law.

Gal 3:24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

Rom 3:20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

Rom 5:13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


Jesus is our good news. I would rather preach Christ and preach Him crucified than preach on hell/lake of fire.


Luk 2:10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for behold, I bring you good news of great joy which will be for all the people;
Luk 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

[InFathersArms]

I'm not particularly fond of long, lengthy posts on any given subject, as I believe the meat of most answers is a lot simpler than people believe they can be.

For example, the word Hell comes from sheoul, which refers to the burning, smoldering garbage pits which existed beyond the city gates of Jerusalem. Furthermore, heaven is likened in Revelations and elsewhere as a city with walls and gates. God's people reside inside the city gates, and God's spirit resides in the Holy of Holies.

Ergo:

1. Hell is beyond the gates of Heaven.
2. Hell is where God is not.
3. Hell is where God's people are not (the Jews threw their garbage into sheol, not themselves).

Here's another parallel: The Israelites were to share God with others. This meant going outside the gates, as Christians do, today spreading the Gospel. Evangelism doesn't involve pitching one's self into sheol/Hell.

And a third, perhaps the most important one: Since hell is where God is not, when people reject God, why would they expect to be welcomed into the city (Heaven) where God lives?

If I were to invite someone into my house, but they were to utter contempt towards me, I don't think I'd let them into my house, either. But the condition of their heart is their choice, not mine.

[Tavita]

For example, the word Hell comes from sheoul, which refers to the burning, smoldering garbage pits which existed beyond the city gates of Jerusalem.

The hell that refers to the burning refuse outside the city gates of Jerusalem is Gehenna, not Sheol.

Sheol is a Hebrew word translated into the English word 'hell', meaning..

She·ol

noun
Definition: ancient Hebrew dwelling place of dead: in ancient Hebrew theology, the dwelling place of the dead

[Late 16th century. < Hebrew šĕ'ōl]

And a third, perhaps the most important one: Since hell is where God is not, when people reject God, why would they expect to be welcomed into the city (Heaven) where God lives?

I'm sorry but this is another misconception... hell is where God is not. What do the scripture say?

Psa 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Eph 4:9 (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

:)

[Spiritofprophecy]

I'm not particularly fond of long, lengthy posts on any given subject, as I believe the meat of most answers is a lot simpler than people believe they can be.

For example, the word Hell comes from sheoul, which refers to the burning, smoldering garbage pits which existed beyond the city gates of Jerusalem. Furthermore, heaven is likened in Revelations and elsewhere as a city with walls and gates. God's people reside inside the city gates, and God's spirit resides in the Holy of Holies.

Ergo:

1. Hell is beyond the gates of Heaven.
2. Hell is where God is not.
3. Hell is where God's people are not (the Jews threw their garbage into sheol, not themselves).

Here's another parallel: The Israelites were to share God with others. This meant going outside the gates, as Christians do, today spreading the Gospel. Evangelism doesn't involve pitching one's self into sheol/Hell.

And a third, perhaps the most important one: Since hell is where God is not, when people reject God, why would they expect to be welcomed into the city (Heaven) where God lives?

If I were to invite someone into my house, but they were to utter contempt towards me, I don't think I'd let them into my house, either. But the condition of their heart is their choice, not mine.
Greetings in the name of Jesus:

I am going to agree with this post; and only add;

Hell is Just absence of Gods Love. which could be poetically fire and brimstone.

Nice thread; and many voices of honor and respect.

I praise all for their interest and for seeking discernment in Gods words. I praise God for your spirits.

I pray no one takes offense. God bless Christian Forum and all who use it.

[Svt4Him]

Hell is Just absence of Gods Love. which could be poetically fire and brimstone.


This is not true, as the devil is not in hell yet, and has absence of God's love. And there is nothing poetic about fire and brimstone.

[Spiritofprophecy]

This is not true, as the devil is not in hell yet, and has absence of God's love. And there is nothing poetic about fire and brimstone.
greetings in the name of Jesus:

Awe; but your are wrong: Satan is what Hell is all about: and the concept that Satan and man are separate is where the " blind lead the blind" and where the lies of satan do deceive all flesh.

God does not allow man to be tempted by more than what is common unto man. 1 cor 10;13.

Mans evil including yours and mine, are manifest in our own evil heart, and that spirit of evil is Satan. which is termed the " spirit of disobedience".

it is also written; " the root of all evil is the love of money". explain to yourself, how Satan can Love money without being part and within man? Which Only, Only man loves money. And money represents the desires of the flesh of man.

No; hell is for men, of spirit of satan, who are disobedient unto the will of God. This is 3000 years of Jewish doctrines and precepts, not middle ages pagan " Dante's inferno lexicon" of false doctrines of falling angels and rebellion in heaven, which directly contradicts Gods words and Jesus (Lords prayer), or Gods will done in heaven. Evil and sin did not exist until, it was found in man. romans 5.

I pray my words do not offend, and that God bless C.F. and all who us it.

[Tavita]

greetings in the name of Jesus:

Awe; but your are wrong: Satan is what Hell is all about: and the concept that Satan and man are separate is where the " blind lead the blind" and where the lies of satan do deceive all flesh.

God does not allow man to be tempted by more than what is common unto man. 1 cor 10;13.

Mans evil including yours and mine, are manifest in our own evil heart, and that spirit of evil is Satan. which is termed the " spirit of disobedience".

it is also written; " the root of all evil is the love of money". explain to yourself, how Satan can Love money without being part and within man? Which Only, Only man loves money. And money represents the desires of the flesh of man.

No; hell is for men, of spirit of satan, who are disobedient unto the will of God. This is 3000 years of Jewish doctrines and precepts, not middle ages pagan " Dante's inferno lexicon" of false doctrines of falling angels and rebellion in heaven, which directly contradicts Gods words and Jesus (Lords prayer), or Gods will done in heaven. Evil and sin did not exist until, it was found in man. romans 5.

I pray my words do not offend, and that God bless C.F. and all who us it.


I sort of agree with you, although, Satan is not what hell is all about, unless indirectly by tempting Adam and Eve to sin, Satan is only a tool in God's hand. SIN is the reason we die, SIN is the reason for Death. Hell is the hidden place of the dead. Satan is not in hell, he roams the earth looking for someone to devour, and he goes before the Father to accuse. Jesus shed blood saves us from sin and death. The wages of sin is death... not Dante's firey hell. His resurrection is the victory over death.. we will not stay there.. in hell, in death.

[Tavita]

Hell is Just absence of Gods Love. which could be poetically fire and brimstone.




You are speaking of the Lake of Fire.. fire and brimstone. God is a consuming fire, it is He who will burn up our works of the flesh, and destroy His enemies. Brimstone was used to purify, and fire is meant to purge. Fire is the love of the Father. The Law is fire. The love of God is in every action He takes and every part of His creation. There will be no eternal separation from God. Doing a study of fire in the scriptures is very revealing concerning the character of God.

[Svt4Him]

greetings in the name of Jesus:

Awe; but your are wrong: Satan is what Hell is all about: and the concept that Satan and man are separate is where the " blind lead the blind" and where the lies of satan do deceive all flesh.

God does not allow man to be tempted by more than what is common unto man. 1 cor 10;13.

Mans evil including yours and mine, are manifest in our own evil heart, and that spirit of evil is Satan. which is termed the " spirit of disobedience".

it is also written; " the root of all evil is the love of money". explain to yourself, how Satan can Love money without being part and within man? Which Only, Only man loves money. And money represents the desires of the flesh of man.

No; hell is for men, of spirit of satan, who are disobedient unto the will of God. This is 3000 years of Jewish doctrines and precepts, not middle ages pagan " Dante's inferno lexicon" of false doctrines of falling angels and rebellion in heaven, which directly contradicts Gods words and Jesus (Lords prayer), or Gods will done in heaven. Evil and sin did not exist until, it was found in man. romans 5.

I pray my words do not offend, and that God bless C.F. and all who us it.

So satan is hell? Well, your words don't offend, yet I wonder how they line up with the Bible:

Matthew 25:41 says, "Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and His angels.

So you are saying they are to depart to a poetic place that is the devil that was prepared for the devil? Doesn't really seem to make sense.

As for heaven, if it's perfect then why will a new heaven be created? The Bible says let God's kindgom come here on hearth as it is in heaven. That is not saying anything about sin in heaven, otherwise where did God go when He was talking to satan about Job? There was sin in heaven, therefore a new heaven will be created.

Can you give a verse for the devil being the spirit of disobedience?

[PastorJacob]

I'm not particularly fond of long, lengthy posts on any given subject, as I believe the meat of most answers is a lot simpler than people believe they can be.

For example, the word Hell comes from sheoul, which refers to the burning, smoldering garbage pits which existed beyond the city gates of Jerusalem. Furthermore, heaven is likened in Revelations and elsewhere as a city with walls and gates. God's people reside inside the city gates, and God's spirit resides in the Holy of Holies.

Ergo:

1. Hell is beyond the gates of Heaven.
2. Hell is where God is not.
3. Hell is where God's people are not (the Jews threw their garbage into sheol, not themselves).

Here's another parallel: The Israelites were to share God with others. This meant going outside the gates, as Christians do, today spreading the Gospel. Evangelism doesn't involve pitching one's self into sheol/Hell.

And a third, perhaps the most important one: Since hell is where God is not, when people reject God, why would they expect to be welcomed into the city (Heaven) where God lives?

If I were to invite someone into my house, but they were to utter contempt towards me, I don't think I'd let them into my house, either. But the condition of their heart is their choice, not mine.
A verse for you to ponder: James3:5-6

[Spiritofprophecy]

greetings in the name of Jesus:

Amen good question: " how do your words line up with bible" they line up perfectly.

And to question of Matt 25;41...if you Know Satan and his followers " angels " are men, then you can know, the perfection of word, and become clear. This is a stumbling block for man to become one with God and the word.

example is the perfection of Jesus. who called " peter Satan" did Jesus misspeak?. no

And again I ask, if you are right, then the Scripture " the root of all evil, is the love of money". you must discern this unto your faith, and how does Satan Love money if not part of man? he cannot.

I ask in the spirit and love of God, that you do not dismiss my words which are not of me, but of the spirit. Which I am nothing without.

And 3000 years of jewish and Judaic truth of Satan so confirms, That Satan " is the spirit of disobedience" which dwells in man. If one takes this perspective and applies it to all scriptures; knowing these scripts are parable and poetic truths of Gods hidden word, reserved for the faithful, then Gods hidden truths shall be opened unto you.

Let me say that Almighty God allows not spiritual entities out side Gods will to tempt and deceive man, and rebel against God. Only man is allowed this evil.

And until the snake tempted man in the Garden, ( snake is satan), evil did not exist in the world or any place.

And as Isaiah 45;7. God creates all things, even evil through Disobedience man. And "disobedience unto God" is evil or sin. And is also the Spirit of Satan. exact same term in scriptures.

Now Satan and evil or sin, are exactly the same in Scriptures. and also its written. " God shall not allow evil to take hold of man, that is not common unto man." which means all evil is common. 1 cor, 10;13

The Original truth of these things, is Mans evil and disobedience, is labeled and termed by God, as Satan or spirit of Satan. As so proven by Jesus ; Calling peter Satan.

I know this is not Catholicism and dante's inferno doctrines of many denominations, but they are wrong about this, And all verses and word, coincide and affirm this long Jewish Judaic truth, which is revealed to faithful in the spirit, who are of God.

I pray my words do not offend. God bless Christian Forum, and all who use it.

[Svt4Him]

[xample is the perfection of Jesus. who called " peter Satan" did Jesus misspeak?.

satan means adversary which is what either Peter was being or which is what was driving Peter to make the comment. Either way it does not mean the devil is hell. Hell was prepared for the devil hell is not the devil. No where in that passage though is Peter being referred to as the spirit of disobedience, that is reading a lot into the passage that isn't there.

[restore]

Enjoy this thread..

Here in my country, the church teaches there is a real hell under the ground of the earth, same time myself often feel the hell is a spiritual place.

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus;


I first would like to express my love and appreciation for all those who post in this thread; and for seeking Gods truth, and wrestling in the spirit to find it. I shall praise God for all your spirits.

It was commented that Hell is satan, but that is not accurate, Hell is simply absence of Gods love. Now poetically can be Called " fire and brimstone". And hell is reserved for those " disobedience unto God".

Now one term for Satan was adversary: which I believe the closer Jewish translation would be " accuser" And it is very valid and true, that names in Hebrew do matter.
And descriptions, especially of God are very important. Now Know this, That God terms Satan as; " Spirit of disobedience" and also know that God terms evil, as " disobedience unto God". And then add 1 cor 10;13. which " there hath no temptation taken you but such as is common unto man". then the person of satan can be seen; even the snake in Garden spoke in deceptive terms to eve. And if temptation is common, then this same snake is what speaks and tempts me and all flesh.

Remember We battle not against flesh and blood but against powers and principalities in spiritual places. who battles?. We battle in principalities and spiritual places in our hearts and minds, to control our disobedience spirit unto God. Forgive me for speaking boldly, but the time is growing short, and time for all things to be known and revealed is at hand, " and the windows from on high are open". and the spirit is being poured out unto those who can receive.

I would like to add, that these things have been hidden truths. Given in parable, Which God concealed from the Natural man, so that only his chosen and faithful of Gods words might find and Know and discern.

"It is the Glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter." pro 25:2

Search and seek out in the word, when satan did tempt man, and man is there, and tempted by mans evil desires of flesh. As also paul so teaches. Even Jesus was tempted by his own flesh called satan.

You cannot believe me or any man; one must find God and Gods truth on his own. For all true interpretation of Gods words, are of Spirit, given unto man by God.

I praise God for each and every one of you who seeks Gods truths, and heeds Gods words above all other things, I pray he shall keep you safe.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless Christian Forum and all who use it.

[Lisabeth]

Greetings barrykind,

I have never heard of Jim Searcy. Though I found your post interesting. Most avoid this subject though I believe both Heaven and Hell are very real. I thought you might find these scriptures interesting as well.....



John 17:12
12: While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Phil 1:28
28: And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

2 Thess 2:3
3: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

1Tim 6:9
9: But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

Heb 10:39
39: But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

2 Peter 3:7
7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Rev 17:8 & 11
8: The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

11: And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

I believe perdition is judgment and hell.


Much love in Christ,
Lisabeth

[Spiritofprophecy]

greetings in the name of Jesus;

I just wanted to comment on the last post, About the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Does any one have answer?

The spirit tells me it is " Money" the economic system.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless C.F. and all who use it.

[Svt4Him]

Enjoy this thread..

Here in my country, the church teaches there is a real hell under the ground of the earth, same time myself often feel the hell is a spiritual place.


I believe this as well, although I will have to reexamine the verses that led me to believe that.

[Spiritofprophecy]

greetings in the name of Jesus:

If I may interject; a hell which would effect men after death, would have to be to effect the spirit world, since flesh is past away into the grave. Only spirit remains.

So I relate hell to the spirit. which hell in spirit,to me would be absence from God, and Gods love. But Knowing the forgiveness God has and his mercy. I would not be surprised if there is even a form of forgiveness to a degree even for the faithless. depending on their evil. And volume. As in purpose of " Judgement day".

Just my opinion, as spirit so speaks,

I pray my words do not offend, God bless C.F. and all who use it.

[amadeus2]

The hell that refers to the burning refuse outside the city gates of Jerusalem is Gehenna, not Sheol.

Sheol is a Hebrew word translated into the English word 'hell', meaning..

She·ol

noun
Definition: ancient Hebrew dwelling place of dead: in ancient Hebrew theology, the dwelling place of the dead

[Late 16th century. < Hebrew šĕ'ōl]



I'm sorry but this is another misconception... hell is where God is not. What do the scripture say?

Psa 139:7 Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Eph 4:9 (Now this expression, "He ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10 He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

:)


Yes! Our God is a consuming fire. it is He that the Hebrews were unable to approach lest they be consumed. Yet, Moses was allowed to make a limited approach.

Now we still see through a glass darkly because we are also unable to approach to close. such proximity would destroy us. But...God has made a Way. Jesus is the Way. We are able to enter the tabernacle. We are able to enter the Holy Place now. Eventually IF we endure to the end we will be able to enter the Holiest of Holies where the very utmost essence of the Father dwells. To go there or even approach too close to Him before we are ready will destroy us. The full armour of God protests us, but eventually it will be a permanent thing so that we can commune with God clearly, no more standing away to prevent being consumed by the fire that God is.

God is hell fire to those who do not know Him. He is love to those that do know Him.

[Svt4Him]

greetings in the name of Jesus:

If I may interject; a hell which would effect men after death, would have to be to effect the spirit world, since flesh is past away into the grave. Only spirit remains.

So I relate hell to the spirit. which hell in spirit,to me would be absence from God, and Gods love. But Knowing the forgiveness God has and his mercy. I would not be surprised if there is even a form of forgiveness to a degree even for the faithless. depending on their evil. And volume. As in purpose of " Judgement day".

Just my opinion, as spirit so speaks,

I pray my words do not offend, God bless C.F. and all who use it.

So when the rich man died and his tongue was burning, he asked for water. Was he asking for spiritual water or literal water?

[Tavita]

So when the rich man died and his tongue was burning, he asked for water. Was he asking for spiritual water or literal water?

The rich man and Lazarus is a parable.

Do you honestly think a drop of water in a literal place of fire and torture, with the rich man's great blood and bone thirst, would satisfy him? In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus Jesus is showing the Pharisee's what would become of the Jewish and Gentile nations after He rose from the dead and the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed. This parable is not a teaching about hell.

[Spiritofprophecy]

So when the rich man died and his tongue was burning, he asked for water. Was he asking for spiritual water or literal water?
greetings in the name of Jesus:

The story I believe you quoted; is of Lazereth and the rich man. But I believe this is symbolic scripture, and the water can mean many things such as love or Kindness. He has in thirst, which also can be symbolism. But the precept that Life and death are separate and the flesh is temporary but the spirit is eternal, is the bases for this. And relating to spirit in symbolism using fleshly metaphors is common in scriptures.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless C.F. and all who use it.

[Lisabeth]

greetings in the name of Jesus;

I just wanted to comment on the last post, About the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Does any one have answer?

The spirit tells me it is " Money" the economic system.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless C.F. and all who use it.
The Spirit of the Lord showed me that the beast is the Antichrist spirit. The Antichrist spirit which has shown itself through out all of God's Word and all generations. It rises up to to war against God's children. It even comes in some of the prominent leaders or the head churches of today. For the the Antichrist spirit was, and is not, and yet is.

Blessings,
Lisabeth

[amadeus2]

The Spirit of the Lord showed me that the beast is the Antichrist spirit. The Antichrist spirit which has shown itself through out all of God's Word and all generations. It rises up to to war against God's children. It even comes in some of the prominent leaders or the head churches of today. For the the Antichrist spirit was, and is not, and yet is.

Blessings,
Lisabeth
And the anti-christ spirit is in every person who ever slips and go his own way instead Christ's for even a moment. God help us to overcome this spirit in ourselves!

[Spiritofprophecy]

The Spirit of the Lord showed me that the beast is the Antichrist spirit. The Antichrist spirit which has shown itself through out all of God's Word and all generations. It rises up to to war against God's children. It even comes in some of the prominent leaders or the head churches of today. For the the Antichrist spirit was, and is not, and yet is.

Blessings,
Lisabeth
greetings in the name of Jesus:

dear Lisabeth:

I appreciate your posts and Interest in wrestling to find the spirit revelations of Gods truths.

If I may I would like to address your attention to rev 13; 11. Which I believe, on topic of beast; this is the Chapter most referenced. rev 13;11. So says " I beheld another beasts". Which denotes two beasts of rev. 13. One of seven heads, and one little beast of "two horns of a lamb".

Now your belief " anti christ spirit". I agree, but is this second beast of " two horns". But the first beast of seven heads is economic system, and Image of this beast is " money". Which men worship as we see today, in greed for wealth, and image money.

I praise God for your spirit.

I pray no one takes offense in my words, God bless Christians in forum and all who use it.

[Spiritofprophecy]

And the anti-christ spirit is in every person who ever slips and go his own way instead Christ's for even a moment. God help us to overcome this spirit in ourselves!
greetings in the name of Jesus:

dear Amadeus2:

I enjoyed your post and agree with you.

I would like to add; Amen.

I praise God for your spirit: and that he keep you safe.

I pray my words do not offend any. God bless Christians in forum and all who use it.

[zeke37]

The rich man and Lazarus is a parable.

Absolutely.

Do you honestly think a drop of water in a literal place of fire and torture, with the rich man's great blood and bone thirst, would satisfy him?

Not at all.

In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus Jesus is showing the Pharisee's what would become of the Jewish and Gentile nations after He rose from the dead and the Temple in Jerusalem was destroyed. This parable is not a teaching about hell.

OK, now we differ in opinion. The subject is what is heaven like, and we are told.

All go to heaven when they die, good or bad, as we see here with righteous Lazarus and the bad rich man. Both are in heaven.

and there is a gulf that separates the two sides...the good side and the bad side.

the bad side was hades in the Greek and was translated as hell, but actually means the grave, the place where souls go after death....not the Lake of Fire which is the real true Hell.

Here is Hades in the Strong's

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.


the bad are not in God's presence and they really wanna be there, and no money can get you there...but poor Lazarus was righteous and good...and is with Abraham around the throne of God.

you could call this the two sides to heaven.

in His service
c

[Tavita]

OK, now we differ in opinion. The subject is what is heaven like, and we are told.

All go to heaven when they die, good or bad, as we see here with righteous Lazarus and the bad rich man. Both are in heaven.

and there is a gulf that separates the two sides...the good side and the bad side.

the bad side was hades in the Greek and was translated as hell, but actually means the grave, the place where souls go after death....not the Lake of Fire which is the real true Hell.

Here is Hades in the Strong's

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.


the bad are not in God's presence and they really wanna be there, and no money can get you there...but poor Lazarus was righteous and good...and is with Abraham around the throne of God.

you could call this the two sides to heaven.

in His service
c


"At the time the story was told Jesus had just eaten dinner with a Pharisee, at which time He not only healed a man with dropsy, but gave some pointed advice about how to give a dinner party. When He left the house, great throngs followed Him. Many of this great company were publicans and sinners who drew near to hear His teaching, and mingled with them were a great number of the scribes and Pharisees. The scribes and Pharisees complained openly and bitterly against Jesus, condemning Him because He received sinners into His company and ate with them. Against this background of biting criticism Jesus stood and gave the teachings found in chapters fifteen and sixteen of Luke. There are five stories which follow consecutively. It is well known, of course, that chapters and verses were not in the original scriptures."

Just a small quote from Abraham's Bosom, by J Preston Eby. Here's a link to his teaching, you will be as surprised as I was...

http://www.godfire.net/eby/abrahams.html

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

In most bibles the word "grave" was replaced with the word "hell." Being cast into the (fire,) or (lake of fire,) that is parabolically speaking of the judgement. The punishment of the fallen ones is to be cut off from life for all eternity. That is to say: Never live again. The concept of hell is not in the Old Testament, or a teaching of Judaism.

[MichaelTheeArchAngel]

Dont forget that the bible has many parables in it!

[DeanM]

In most bibles the word "grave" was replaced with the word "hell." Being cast into the (fire,) or (lake of fire,) that is parabolically speaking of the judgement. The punishment of the fallen ones is to be cut off from life for all eternity. That is to say: Never live again. The concept of hell is not in the Old Testament, or a teaching of Judaism.
Deuteronomy 32:22


(http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/audio/play.php?aid=3&book=5&chapter=32)


22 For a fire has been kindled by my wrath,
one that burns to the realm of death [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 32:22; Psalms 86:13#fen-NIV-5781a)] below.
It will devour the earth and its harvests
and set afire the foundations of the mountains.

Footnotes:
Deuteronomy 32:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 32:22; Psalms 86:13#en-NIV-5781) Hebrew to Sheol

[Spiritofprophecy]

Deuteronomy 32:22


(http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/audio/play.php?aid=3&book=5&chapter=32)


22 For a fire has been kindled by my wrath,
one that burns to the realm of death [a (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 32:22; Psalms 86:13#fen-NIV-5781a)] below.
It will devour the earth and its harvests
and set afire the foundations of the mountains.

Footnotes:
Deuteronomy 32:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 32:22; Psalms 86:13#en-NIV-5781) Hebrew to Sheol
Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Dear Dean M:

I have always enjoyed your posts, and your desire for discernment and revelations of Gods words.

But I would submit that this deuteronomy scriptures is a correlation scripture to the great "day of the Lord". as destruction from the almighty. which is the war soon to come of fire. and is also the " baptism of Fire" upon the earth.

That is just my opinion as so the spirit interprets the word unto me.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless Christians in forum and all who use it.

[Ben12]

Anti Christ or anti anointing it means the same thing.

[DeanM]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

Dear Dean M:

I have always enjoyed your posts, and your desire for discernment and revelations of Gods words.

But I would submit that this deuteronomy scriptures is a correlation scripture to the great "day of the Lord". as destruction from the almighty. which is the war soon to come of fire. and is also the " baptism of Fire" upon the earth.

That is just my opinion as so the spirit interprets the word unto me.

I pray my words do not offend, God bless Christians in forum and all who use it.
Hello and thank you for your kind words.

You may be right. I posted this scripture as an example of Hell being referenced (or not) in the old testament. The word used here, in Hebrew, is 'Sheol', which can mean either a grave or a pit. Add fire to the term meaning pit, and you have 'pit of fire'.

Though I see how you could take this meaning to be somewhat debatable, I have to stand by the idea that 'pit of fire' probably refers to Hell, and is stated in the old testament.

Thank you for your insight, though. i have never looked at this passage any differently until you pointed it out, and I will look into again tomorrow when I'm not so sleepy.

Blessings

[Ben12]

There are some similarities between Gehenna and the Lake of Fire. Gehenna is a place where the rubbish of the believer will be burnt, where the Lake of Fire is a place for the purging and or refining of the wicked and the just. I do not believe either of these are physical literal fire; but spiritual; or should I say symbolic when it comes to the Lake of Fire.

[Ben12]

Hello and thank you for your kind words.

You may be right. I posted this scripture as an example of Hell being referenced (or not) in the old testament. The word used here, in Hebrew, is 'Sheol', which can mean either a grave or a pit. Add fire to the term meaning pit, and you have 'pit of fire'.

Though I see how you could take this meaning to be somewhat debatable, I have to stand by the idea that 'pit of fire' probably refers to Hell, and is stated in the old testament.

Thank you for your insight, though. i have never looked at this passage any differently until you pointed it out, and I will look into again tomorrow when I'm not so sleepy.

Blessings
I believe the wicked will be punished (chastised, pruned, and refined) in the Lake of Fire; but I hate using the word hell which I do not see as scriptural; (but its origins are Angle Saxon) as well as traditional. The Jews were known for their traditions which they made the Word of God of no effect. We can add all kinds of descriptions to what we believe hell is but I see it as the grave the pit, the place of the dead. The word hell and its thought come from all kinds of places, Ancient Greek, Roman and even Baby lon; how much of it is a mixture and assumed.

[Ben12]

I remember years ago I was in a Pentecostal movement and I would always hear about these men who were anointed. They would have conventions and all the local churches would travel to FlintMichigan or where ever the convention was. Get all dressed up in there suits and the ladies in their dresses and their hair that they would not cut. We would go to hear these great men of God this religion anointed. Of course the message was much like a puppet; in that they were led not by the Spirit of Truth as they proclaimed but by the dictates of their National Head Quarters.

As I grew in the Lord and praise God left such a religious fiasco; I learned the only anointing I should trust is the Spirit of truth with in me. Today I know of many Spirit led men I will called anointed. Not because some man made religion anointed them; but because my spirit with in me, agrees with that anointing.

I believe there is a real spiritual Church; I also believe there are also carnal churches, intercultural churches, and intellectual churches and the list goes on. God is a spirit not a brain. BUT what does the Bible say how God choices his anointed?

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was anointed as child. Today’s ministry is chosen by men. I have found men of God that I know anointed by the deepness of their understanding not because they have been voted in or out by some church committee. David walked for many years and knew He had an anointing; but he kept it to himself and understood that Saul was God’s anointed; that is until the appointed time. I think we are better off to wait for God to anoint God’s chosen vessel then to anoint our own.

Also let us not forget Solomon who was also anointed of God; but because of his marring and turning his heart to false idols he became corrupt. Reminds me of all the different religions out there that man has married into; there is only one way; Christ with in.

[threedog]

Part 2

:groupray:

Inside this earth right now are millions of lost souls, burning in
torment, with absolute total hopelessness. And what are we doing to
avoid such a place? Hate crimes, or no hate crimes, how could we say
we love someone and not give warning of the fact and reality of such
a possible eternal destiny? Those would dare to call themselves
Christian and teach that hell is not real, are FAR removed from
LOVE, regardless of how highly they think of themselves. Such will
lead to that place of torment by their lies and vain imaginations,
which exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Such make the
LORD to be a liar by their vain deceptions teaching hell is not a
real place of eternal torment.

This is the word of God as much as anything else in the bible. Mark
9:43-48; And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for
thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into
hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm
dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend
thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life,
than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never
shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not
quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better
for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having
two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and
the fire is not quenched.

Whom shall we believe? The Lord Jesus Christ, who IS The Truth
personified, or the local liar for hire who tells us what we want to
hear? The Lord said THEIR worm, not a worm, or the worm, but THEIR
worm. The earth's crust on land is about 50 miles thick in most
places. However, in parts of the ocean floor, the earth's crust is
less than a mile thick. Recently cracks have been discovered on the
ocean floor where molten rock was leaking out. Around those hot
places on the ocean floor where the molten lava was coming out very,
very, deep in the ocean floor were found big worms, yes like eight
foot long worms, found no where else on the planet. These worms are
called Riftia. Riftia pachyptila live over a mile deep on the floor
of the ocean near hydrothermal vents called black smokers first
discovered in 1977. The temperature of the water at the vent can
reach 750 F degrees. These worms up to 8 feet can obviously tolerate
extremely high temperatures, high pressures, and total darkness.

Hell is a place where their worm dieth not and the fire is not
quenced and in total darkness.

Finding the grace of God in repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ is the ONLY way to avoid the eternal destiny known as hell.
Inside this earth is a lake of fire and brimstone, the reality of
which has been known by those who believe the Word of God for
thousands of years. Recent scientific discoveries in this last
generation confirm that is indeed what is deep under the earth's
crust. Literally fire and brimstone. Volcanoes blast streams of
molten sulphur, which has been scientifically verified only as
recently as 2002. The bible had this unchanging truth recorded for
thousands of years.

It is humanly impossible to comprehend the Bible description of
hell. Nothing on earth can compare with it. No nightmare could
produce a terror to match that of hell. Jesus Christ spoke more on
hell than any other subject. Just look at how Jesus described hell:
fire Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41, everlasting fire Matt 18:8, 25:41
eternal damnation Mark 3:29, hell fire Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
damnation Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47, damnation of hell Matt
23:33, resurrection of damnation John 5:29, furnace of fire Matt
13:42, 50, the fire that never shall be quenched Mark 9:43, 45, the
fire is not quenched Mark 9:44, 46, 48, Where their worm dieth not
Mark 9:44, 46, 48, wailing and gnashing of teeth, Matt 13:42, 50,
weeping and gnashing of teeth Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30, torments Luke
16:23, tormented in this flame Luke 16:24, place of torment Luke
16:28, outer darkness Matt 8:12, 22:13, everlasting punishment Matt
25:46

Hebrews 9:27 says, And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but
after this THE JUDGEMENT: The Lord told us these truths because He
love us and does not want that to be our destiny. The teacher who
would teach that hell is not real is NOT loving you. Hell IS Real.
That is a title of an article on the GJiGT which is being updated
with these and many more scripture proofs that hell is real. Why
that is being done is that you will not go to that real place by
design or default. The updated article will also have a picture of
those astonishing worms that live under such high pressure, total
darkness, and high temperatures. That link is
http://www.dccsa. (http://www.dccsa./) com/greatjoy/ hellis.htm

Only be very strong and of good courage. Stay IN the Word.

From Chittim, Isa 23:1,

Shalom & Simcha,
Jim Searcy
:groupray:
Any person of any religion can have great faith...however the absolute truth can be far off in the distance and beyond the grasp of human comprehension.

There is no concrete evidence of what happens after a person dies...Just like there are so many different religions to choose from...it is whatever a person chooses to accept and believe about the afterlife. However we will all know or not know soon enough.

Respectfully,

threedog

[Spiritofprophecy]

Anti Christ or anti anointing it means the same thing.
Greetings in the Name of Jesus:

Dear Ben 12:
As always, I enjoy your discernments and posts.

Again I would have to totally agree with your interpretation on " anti christ equals Anti anointing"

I praise God for your spirit, and pray he keep you safe, my friend.

God bless Christians in forum, and all who use it.

[Lisabeth]

I remember years ago I was in a Pentecostal movement and I would always hear about these men who were anointed. They would have conventions and all the local churches would travel to FlintMichigan or where ever the convention was. Get all dressed up in there suits and the ladies in their dresses and their hair that they would not cut. We would go to hear these great men of God this religion anointed. Of course the message was much like a puppet; in that they were led not by the Spirit of Truth as they proclaimed but by the dictates of their National Head Quarters.

As I grew in the Lord and praise God left such a religious fiasco; I learned the only anointing I should trust is the Spirit of truth with in me. Today I know of many Spirit led men I will called anointed. Not because some man made religion anointed them; but because my spirit with in me, agrees with that anointing.

I believe there is a real spiritual Church; I also believe there are also carnal churches, intercultural churches, and intellectual churches and the list goes on. God is a spirit not a brain. BUT what does the Bible say how God choices his anointed?

David was king; He was God’s anointed King; not like Saul who was also anointed by God; but chosen by the people; like many ministries in the church (little c) realm today. David was one of those special people God called, anointed and was anointed as child. Today’s ministry is chosen by men. I have found men of God that I know anointed by the deepness of their understanding not because they have been voted in or out by some church committee. David walked for many years and knew He had an anointing; but he kept it to himself and understood that Saul was God’s anointed; that is until the appointed time. I think we are better off to wait for God to anoint God’s chosen vessel then to anoint our own.

Also let us not forget Solomon who was also anointed of God; but because of his marring and turning his heart to false idols he became corrupt. Reminds me of all the different religions out there that man has married into; there is only one way; Christ with in.
I agree. Amen and Amen!!
Have a blessed weekend!

[zeke37]

I agree. Amen and Amen!!
Have a blessed weekend!

Hello there,

The people cried out for a king, so God let's them have one, but make no mistake.....it was GOD who sent Saul...God chose Saul. The people chose to have a man as king, like the other nations, but God chose and sent Saul.

1Sam9
15 Now the LORD had told Samuel in his ear a day before Saul came, saying,

16 To morrow about this time I will send thee a man out of the land of Benjamin, and thou shalt anoint him to be captain over my people Israel, that he may save my people out of the hand of the Philistines: for I have looked upon my people, because their cry is come unto me.
17 And when Samuel saw Saul, the LORD said unto him, Behold the man whom I spake to thee of! this same shall reign over my people.



just making sure we all see this...

and also notice how good of a man Saul was...

in His service
c

[Ben12]

Hello there,

The people cried out for a king, so God let's them have one, but make no mistake.....it was GOD who sent Saul...God chose Saul. The people chose to have a man as king, like the other nations, but God chose and sent Saul.

1Sam9
15 Now the LORD had told Samuel in his ear a day before Saul came, saying,

16 To morrow about this time I will send thee a man out of the land of Benjamin, and thou shalt anoint him to be captain over my people Israel, that he may save my people out of the hand of the Philistines: for I have looked upon my people, because their cry is come unto me.
17 And when Samuel saw Saul, the LORD said unto him, Behold the man whom I spake to thee of! this same shall reign over my people.



just making sure we all see this...

and also notice how good of a man Saul was...

in His service
c
No one said Saul was not anointed; but David's anointing was deeper and I would hope an awesome example of how God would rather have it.