Prayers...

[WarriorAngel]

I would like to learn the 'Jesus prayer' and how many times I should say this.

I also would like to know if the Anglicans and OO also have a certain prayer they use...
AND If I could also have those prayers.

I pray the Rosary, and sometimes Novena's...
And definitely Our Father, Hail Mary, and Glory Be..

But I would like to take up other prayers.

IF you have a concise site, but it has a background, please paste the prayer here too, so I can read it. :crossrc:

[Secundulus]

Here is our book of common prayer. http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/BCP_1928.htm

It's got everything in it.

However, I would recommend you look at the morning and evening prayer at the beginning. We are supposed to do both of these each day.

[kamikat]

The Jesus prayer is very simple.

Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, Have mercy on me, a sinner.

Prayer ropes come in 3 lengths, 33, 50 or 100.
http://www.monachos.net/library/The_Jesus_Prayer_-_The_Prayer_of_the_Heart

[Simon_Templar]

unless I'm mistaken the Jesus prayer was meant for two main purposes. One to focus the mind on God during contemplation/meditation, and two, to train the mind to pray at all times.

As such it doesn't necessarily have a perscribed number. I heard one story connected with the Jesus prayer in which a lay person seeking to learn to pray always was instructed to say the Jesus prayer a certain number of times per day, and then as the process went on they were instructed to say it more times until they reached the point at which it was simply a constant factor of mind.

[WarriorAngel]

:hug:
Thanks for all the info thus far. :)

[foxsta]

Read "The Way of a Pilgrim"...nearly all the info you need is in there

[eoe]

I would like to learn the 'Jesus prayer' and how many times I should say this.In order to really learn this you need a Spiritual Father is is experienced in the prayer of the heart and you need to put yourself into obedience to him. You can sit in total quiet and repeat the prayer forever but unless you have a guide you run a very real risk of delusion.
That is the best advice I can give. Falling short of that...

You absolutely must avoid any and all mental images. If you are used to the rosary this is likely going to be very difficult (heck - it is difficult either way) but it is critical. Mental images are the fast path to delusion. If you do nothing else - remember this. No mental images.

[Albion]

What Secundulus said!

The Book of Common Prayer has not been called the second most beautiful book in the English language (after the King James Version of the Bible) for nothing. Although we do not have a favorite denomination-oriented prayer like the Hail Mary or the Jesus Prayer, the BCP does contain many prayers that are beautiful and appropriate for every occasion.

[Rowan]

The Jesus prayer is simple, but I hope you're not asking about how to be a hesychast, because I don't think anyone on this board is qualified to tell you ;)

[WarriorAngel]

In order to really learn this you need a Spiritual Father is is experienced in the prayer of the heart and you need to put yourself into obedience to him. You can sit in total quiet and repeat the prayer forever but unless you have a guide you run a very real risk of delusion.
That is the best advice I can give. Falling short of that...

You absolutely must avoid any and all mental images. If you are used to the rosary this is likely going to be very difficult (heck - it is difficult either way) but it is critical. Mental images are the fast path to delusion. If you do nothing else - remember this. No mental images.

:scratch:
Sooooo, I guess I shouldn't pray it?
Well, I love the rosary...and have to pray it again today because my kids kept interrupting me.:doh:

A QUIET MOMENT?? ^_^
I have to go outside and hide...but I pray while I clean my house too. That way I am moving. I am a hyper person...[hyperthyroid] and so I cannot sit still for long.

Therefore I have to be 'doing' something while I pray so my mind can focus.
Hard to explain.

So if I need someone to help me, I guess its a no go. :(

What mental images are you talking about?
I try to focus on Jesus...
One time before I was nearly ready to sleep an image of Jesus being whipped came came into my mind. I have ever since used that image to focus on when I pray.

It really bothered me when it came to me, and I cried when I 'saw that'....years and years ago.

But that is what I try to focus on.



The Jesus prayer is simple, but I hope you're not asking about how to be a hesychast, because I don't think anyone on this board is qualified to tell you

Hesychast? :scratch:

[kamikat]

from http://orthodoxwiki.org/Hesychasm
In practice, the Hesychastic prayer bears some superficial resemblance to mystical prayer or meditation in Eastern religions (e.g., Buddhism and Hinduism, especially Yoga), although this similarity is often overly emphasized in popular accounts.
For example, it may involve specific body postures and be accompanied by very deliberate breathing patterns. It involves acquiring an inner stillness, ignoring the physical senses. The hesychasts interpreted Christ's injunction in the Gospel of Matthew to "go into your closet to pray" to mean that they should ignore sensory input and withdraw inwards to pray. It often includes many repetitions of the Jesus Prayer, "Lord Jesus Christ, son of God, have mercy on me[, a sinner].". While some might compare it with a mantra, to use the Jesus Prayer in such a fashion is to violate its purpose. One is never to treat it as a string of syllables for which the "surface" meaning is secondary. Likewise, hollow repetition is considered to be worthless (or even spiritually damaging) in the hesychast tradition.
Saint Theophan the Recluse once related that body postures and breathing techniques were virtually forbidden in his youth, since, instead of gaining the Spirit of God, people succeeded only "in ruining their lungs."

[kamikat]

What mental images are you talking about?[/FONT]
I try to focus on Jesus...
One time before I was nearly ready to sleep an image of Jesus being whipped came came into my mind. I have ever since used that image to focus on when I pray.

It really bothered me when it came to me, and I cried when I 'saw that'....years and years ago.

But that is what I try to focus on.


Yes, this is exactly what we believe should be avoided. We belief that imagery during prayer can lead one to deception from the enemy.

[Albion]

Yes, this is exactly what we believe should be avoided. We belief that imagery during prayer can lead one to deception from the enemy.

Interesting. But if we detach ourselves totally from what our petitions, praises, and so on are about, we are close to having a mantra instead of a prayer.

IMO, that's what the Jesus Prayer became in The Way of a Pilgrim, although I like the prayer in itself.

[WarriorAngel]

Well, I like meditating and keeping my mind on what Jesus did for me.

I don't know how I could pray while not thinking about Jesus...:scratch:
I guess I shouldnt do this then. :crossrc: Because I do not want to do something disrespectfully.

But I appreciate that others have these prayers.:hug:

So, what about the Anglicans...any particular way you pray?

[Knowledge3]

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me - a sinner. :crosseo:

[Secundulus]

So, what about the Anglicans...any particular way you pray?

I think you will find a wide variety of practice. I personally try to do the morning and evening prayer from the prayer book I posted, although I will admit I am often not very consistant.

I also pray the rosary inconsistently. Right now I do it about 80% in Latin and 20% in English for no good reason other than a connection to history.

Normally, I try at a minimum to pray the Apostles Creed, the Lords Prayer, a Few Hail Marys and some personal petitions at least a couple of times a day.

[WarriorAngel]

Ya know, I never learned Latin. Well, we say the Our Father at the school Mass with the kids during school in Latin.
But I am dreadful at the language...;)

I am in awe of that ability.

Yes, my absolute minimum is Our Father, Glory Be, and Hail Mary.
But I try to pray the Rosary every day.
I have missed a few days this past month.

[kamikat]

The Jesus Prayer and hesychasm isn't the only Orthodox way to pray. In fact, it's a very specific prayer method that, while becoming more common amongst the laity, is more often found in monasteries. We also pray the Hours, which start of with some basic prayers, then some psalms that are assigned to each of the set hours. The website below offers Vespers, Compline, Matins and the Midnight office.
http://www.orthodox.net/services/index.html#S1

[WarriorAngel]

Thanks Kami...

I also have a question that has been on my mind about images.

How do the Orthodox pray if they are not focusing on Jesus?
What exactly do you think about? And I am curious what your mind is on when you pray the Jesus prayer rope.

Seriously, I am curious because I dont know how you pray the rope...what you are thinking etc.

[Albion]

So, what about the Anglicans...any particular way you pray?

Reading your question and Secundulus' reply, I am reminded that some Anglicans use Anglican Prayer Beads--something like the rosary but with no particular prayers or meditations.

[kamikat]

Thanks Kami...

I also have a question that has been on my mind about images.

How do the Orthodox pray if they are not focusing on Jesus?
What exactly do you think about? And I am curious what your mind is on when you pray the Jesus prayer rope.

Seriously, I am curious because I dont know how you pray the rope...what you are thinking etc.

You concentrate on the words. Other than that, I can't help you. I do not practice the Jesus Prayer because my priest and I have decided it would be best not to. I have OCD and can not empty my mind the way you're supposed to. The only time I use the Jesus prayer is to combat panic attacks when the OCD takes over my brain. Concentrating on the words helps me to focus on something other than whatever the panic trigger is at that time.

[WarriorAngel]

The beads are not required?
Ok, I meant knots in a certain rope. :blush:

Just wondering what one must be thinking while praying.

[Simon_Templar]

I've been reading and studying on the christian practices of meditative prayer and I was originally struck by the outward similarity between the christian practices and the eastern (not as in orthodox but like budhist hindu etc). Originally I was put off by that and I began praying for guidance on the issue.

I was lead to a couple of different sources that gave me some answers. First, the objective is not to completely empty the mind as in eastern meditation or transcendental meditation. The objective is to focus on God. However the difficult aspect of that is, in this exercise, God can not be limited to mental images etc because invariably you will begin to focus on your perception and ideas about God, rather than God himself.

In eastern meditation the clearing and calming of the mind is essentially its own reward. There are limited benefits simply from the fact that you are calming and disciplining your mind, (much like when you exercise your body) but these are not the point of Christian meditative/contemplative prayer.
The point of calming the mind in christian contemplation is simply so that you can rid yourself of distractions and truly focus on God. The mind, just like the emotions, or the will, is often an impediment to spiritual conetmplation because the mind is part of the soul (ie flesh) and it has to be put into submission to the spirit. This is the object of Christian meditation, not simply to clear the mind.

Simply empyting the mind completely is to be avoided as it leaves you open to deception. Much as if your simply lowered your defences to the enemy. Likewise images are to be avoided because if you are seeking to know God, they always fall short and in so doing, essentially lead you astray.

That is what I have found thus far. I'm still struggling to put it into practice and I expect that I will have to become a good deal more prayerful in normal circumstances before I have much success in the area of contemplation.

[WarriorAngel]

You concentrate on the words. Other than that, I can't help you. I do not practice the Jesus Prayer because my priest and I have decided it would be best not to. I have OCD and can not empty my mind the way you're supposed to. The only time I use the Jesus prayer is to combat panic attacks when the OCD takes over my brain. Concentrating on the words helps me to focus on something other than whatever the panic trigger is at that time.

O ok. Because I cannot empty my mind either.
I thought there was something one could reflect on while doing this.

Thanks.
I suppose I will avoid this method of prayer.

However; when I have panic attacks [which have occurred since some tragedies in my life] I pray the rosary...
I also prayed a Novena for these. These things have helped immensely.

:crossrc:

[xristos.anesti]

O ok. Because I cannot empty my mind either.
I thought there was something one could reflect on while doing this.

Thanks.
I suppose I will avoid this method of prayer.

However; when I have panic attacks [which have occurred since some tragedies in my life] I pray the rosary...
I also prayed a Novena for these. These things have helped immensely.

:crossrc:

Many years,

to tell you the truth I always saw Jesus prayer as practiced by the silent monks to be a kind of advanced discipline in which the rest of us can talk about but should really not go there without a teacher, without experienced teacher - I have always been told of the prayer of the heart to be absolutely divine and utterly dangerous.

I read Philokalia - English 4-volume edition (and now am reading it again in Serbian translation) - and when one realises the level of spiritual journey that these people took before they started using Jesus prayer - it is just mind blowing.

I am not sure, I would not recommend it - then again, I could be wrong.

I would suggest that you either ask a monk if you can get in contact with one or write to a monastery and ask what is the best thing to do.

God helps.

[zhilan]

I often say the Jesus prayer when I'm driving. I don't really understand the thing with images as I've never understood the concept of praying on an image. I remember as a Catholic trying in vain to pray the rosary correctly and I could never figure out how to "mediate" on an image while you're saying the prayers.

[Albion]

I remember as a Catholic trying in vain to pray the rosary correctly and I could never figure out how to "mediate" on an image while you're saying the prayers.

:D You know, that's exactly what I always thought.

[kamikat]

zhilan, same here! I never really got into the rosary. I never felt comfortable with the vizualization and meditation.

[WarriorAngel]

The amazing thing about praying the Rosary is being able to do three things at one time.

Praying the prayers with one's heart [The heart fills] the words that penetrate , seeing the scriptures for each bead [filling our knowledge with the mysteries] and knowing what they mean, and visually being with the Lord. [Being present with the Lord]

It takes some real concentration, and when you can do it...it is an amazing prayer.

Well, it lifts me to heights I cannot explain.

Thanks xcristos, I think it best I don't do it.
I respect how some are able, and wouldn't want to do something erringly. :crossrc:

[Simon_Templar]

I think visualization has its place, but as with everything, we have to be careful to keep it in its place. Visualization engages parts of the mind which otherwise might not be engaged, it involves them in worship or praise etc.

However, they can be dangerous is misused and can mislead if they become an object of faith, or something that leads our faith and belief.

[WarriorAngel]

:scratch:
Um, I visualize Christ, I worship Christ.

Not sure where you are going Simon.

[Simon_Templar]

:scratch:
Um, I visualize Christ, I worship Christ.

Not sure where you are going Simon.
I guess what I'm going for would be what I would call the difference between "about Christ" and "Christ".

I think it can be useful to use an image (in the mind or otherwise) to meditate on Christ in the sense of considering aspects of Jesus Christ, truths about him etc.
I think it is probably not useful to use images when you try to meditate or contemplate Christ himself, in the sense of communing with him as you might another person. The reason being, no image we have can accurately contain the truth of his being.

Think of it like any other person. If you have a picture of someone, you can use it to remind yourself of that person... but you can never really get to know someone by looking at their picture, you can only get to know them by talking to them and spending time with them.

I think it is the same with God.. we can use images to remind ourself of what we know about him, but we can't use images to get to know him. If you try that, in the end its more likely you will invent your own version of the person to go with the picture.

[WarriorAngel]

I guess what I'm going for would be what I would call the difference between "about Christ" and "Christ".

I think it can be useful to use an image (in the mind or otherwise) to meditate on Christ in the sense of considering aspects of Jesus Christ, truths about him etc.
I think it is probably not useful to use images when you try to meditate or contemplate Christ himself, in the sense of communing with him as you might another person. The reason being, no image we have can accurately contain the truth of his being.

Think of it like any other person. If you have a picture of someone, you can use it to remind yourself of that person... but you can never really get to know someone by looking at their picture, you can only get to know them by talking to them and spending time with them.

I think it is the same with God.. we can use images to remind ourself of what we know about him, but we can't use images to get to know him. If you try that, in the end its more likely you will invent your own version of the person to go with the picture.

Well, according to Saints who saw and spoke to Jesus and Mary, we are told to meditate on images.
If you review this page below you will see the picture St Sr Faustina who was told to make this image that she was shown to think on and keep about us.

Image and prayers (http://www.theworkofgod.org/Devotns/DivMercy/Divmercy.htm)

[WarriorAngel]

Jesus explained, in a later vision, that "The two rays denote Blood and Water. The pale ray stands for the water which makes souls righteous. The red ray stands for the Blood which is the life of souls. These two rays issued forth from the depth of my tender mercy when my agonized Heart was opened by a lance on the Cross." (Diary, 742)


Explaining the image (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/catholic_christianity/6289)

[Albion]

I think it is the same with God.. we can use images to remind ourself of what we know about him, but we can't use images to get to know him. If you try that, in the end its more likely you will invent your own version of the person to go with the picture.

Good point!

[WarriorAngel]

Here is the image.

:sorry: I hope it shows.

Oops upload failed.

[Mary of Bethany]

I often say the Jesus prayer when I'm driving. I don't really understand the thing with images as I've never understood the concept of praying on an image. I remember as a Catholic trying in vain to pray the rosary correctly and I could never figure out how to "mediate" on an image while you're saying the prayers.

I tried praying the Rosary as an Anglican Catholic, but I never was consistent with it, so never developed enough of a habit to be able to meditate on the prayers.

I asked my Priest about praying the Jesus Prayer while I'm driving. He has been encouraging us (the congregation) to use prayer ropes and spend more time in prayer. I had begun to do this - I leave the radio off so that I have quiet time in the car. Being in Texas, I spend a lot of time in the car! :)

He encouraged it, even though I can't fully focus on the prayer as is the ideal. He feels it's still better to have the words on my lips and (hopefully) in my heart, as often as possible. I also use it to pray for others, in this way - "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on (name).

Mary

[WarriorAngel]

Mary, I also pray in my car, or any moment I can snatch.

Like while I am cleaning my house, doing dishes, laundry, or just sitting outside or doing yard work.
Makes the 'work' seem easier and I forget that I am working...

[Mary of Bethany]

Mary, I also pray in my car, or any moment I can snatch.

Like while I am cleaning my house, doing dishes, laundry, or just sitting outside or doing yard work.
Makes the 'work' seem easier and I forget that I am working...


Pray unceasingly . . . . :)

Mary

[WarriorAngel]

:amen:

[Sothron]

I try to do this prayer every night and morning

http://www.ewtn.com/Devotionals/prayers/patrick.htm

:crosseo:

[Ravenonthecross]

St. Patrick, one of my favorite Saints!
Sanctus Patrick, ora pro nobis!
Deus Misereatur!

[Sothron]

St. Patrick, one of my favorite Saints!
Sanctus Patrick, ora pro nobis!
Deus Misereatur!

He is my patron saint. :thumbsup:

[WarriorAngel]

Ahhh, gotta love St Pat.
Not only was my dad 's middle name Patrick, but he was also Irish. :)

I got to watch a movie about his life.
Really good movie.

[Secundulus]

Ahhh, gotta love St Pat.
Not only was my dad 's middle name Patrick, but he was also Irish. :)

I got to watch a movie about his life.
Really good movie.

But St. Patrick was English. He was one of the original Anglicans. ;)

[WarriorAngel]

But St. Patrick was English. He was one of the original Anglicans. ;)

He saved the Irish....who were pagan.:clap:
He was a Bishop for the CC.

I read where the Anglicans also claim him, which only makes sense since AC came from the CC.

[Secundulus]

He saved the Irish....who were pagan.:clap:
He was a Bishop for the CC.

I read where the Anglicans also claim him, which only makes sense since AC came from the CC.

Just joking about the Anglican part. He was an English Catholic.

Have you ever read How the Irish Saved Civilization? It is a good book.

I have an affinity for the Irish, although my connection is Scots Irish. They all left to come over her in the 1750's. They had to leave because of a tax dispute with the evil English. LOL

[WarriorAngel]

Ok, technically St Pat was Scottish. :)


St. Patrick



Apostle of Ireland (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08098b.htm), born at Kilpatrick, near Dumbarton, in Scotland (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13613a.htm), in the year 387; died at Saul, Downpatrick, Ireland (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08098b.htm), 17 March, 493. [Some sources say 460 or 461. --Ed.]
He had for his parents (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11478c.htm) Calphurnius and Conchessa. The former belonged to a Roman family (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05782a.htm) of high rank and held the office of decurio in Gaul (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06395b.htm) or Britain. Conchessa was a near relative of the great patron of Gaul (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06395b.htm), St. Martin of Tours (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09732b.htm). Kilpatrick still retains many memorials of Saint Patrick, and frequent pilgrimages (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12085a.htm) continued far into the Middle Ages (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10285c.htm) to perpetuate there the fame of his sanctity (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13428b.htm) and miracles (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10338a.htm).
In his sixteenth year, Patrick was carried off into captivity by Irish (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08098b.htm) marauders and was sold as a slave (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14036a.htm) to a chieftan named Milchu in Dalriada, a territory of the present county of Antrim in Ireland (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08098b.htm), where for six years he tended his master's flocks in the valley of the Braid and on the slopes of Slemish, near the modern town of Ballymena. ...

In the ways of a benign Providence (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm) the six years of Patrick's captivity became a remote preparation for his future apostolate. He acquired a perfect knowledge (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08673a.htm) of the Celtic tongue in which he would one day announce the glad tidings of Redemption (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12677d.htm), and, as his master Milchu was a druidical (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05162a.htm) high priest (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12406a.htm), he became familiar with all the details of Druidism (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05162a.htm) from whose bondage he was destined to liberate the Irish (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08098b.htm) race. Admonished by an angel (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01476d.htm) he after six years fled from his cruel master and bent his steps towards the west. He relates in his "Confessio" that he had to travel about 200 miles; and his journey was probably towards Killala Bay (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08640a.htm) and onwards thence to Westport. .....


We meet with him at St. Martin's monastery (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04340c.htm) at Tours (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15002a.htm), and again at the island sanctuary of Lérins (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09188b.htm) which was just then acquiring widespread renown for learning and piety; and wherever lessons of heroic perfection in the exercise of Christian (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03712a.htm) life could be acquired, thither the fervent Patrick was sure to bend his steps. No sooner had St. Germain (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06472b.htm) entered on his great mission at Auxerre than Patrick put himself under his guidance, and it was at that great bishop's (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02581b.htm) hands that Ireland's (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08098b.htm) future apostle was a few years later promoted to the priesthood (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12409a.htm). It is the tradition in the territory of the Morini that Patrick under St. Germain's guidance for some years was engaged in missionary work among them. When Germain commissioned by the Holy See (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07424b.htm) proceeded to Britain to combat the erroneous (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05525a.htm) teachings of Pelagius (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11604a.htm), he chose Patrick to be one of his missionary companions and thus it was his privilege (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12436b.htm) to be associated with the representative of Rome (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13164a.htm) in the triumphs that ensued over heresy (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm) and Paganism (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11388a.htm)....
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11554a.htm

[WarriorAngel]

Just joking about the Anglican part. He was an English Catholic.

Have you ever read How the Irish Saved Civilization? It is a good book.

I have an affinity for the Irish, although my connection is Scots Irish. They all left to come over her in the 1750's. They had to leave because of a tax dispute with the evil English. LOL

I havent read that...

Remember the potato famine, that killed tons of Catholic Irish?
I forget which year that was....probably within the last centuries, not sure which one tho. :scratch:

[Secundulus]

I havent read that...

Remember the potato famine, that killed tons of Catholic Irish?
I forget which year that was....probably within the last centuries, not sure which one tho. :scratch:

The potato famine was in the 1850's-1860's. It forced many Irish to emigrate to the USA where they were enlisted into Lincoln's Army at the Pier in NYC to fight against the South.

[Simon_Templar]

The potato famine was in the 1850's-1860's. It forced many Irish to emigrate to the USA where they were enlisted into Lincoln's Army at the Pier in NYC to fight against the South.
One of the most famous brigades in the union army was the "Irish Brigade" which was composed of mostly new york regiments (especially the 69th) and mostly new irish imagrants.

They served with distinction in several engagements, probably the most famous was at Fredricksburg in the suicide assault on Marie's Heights.

The Irish picked sprigs of evergreen and put them in their hats as they marched through the town to assault the heights. They made such a gallant image in their advance that the confederates on the heights (many of whom were also irish, by chance) actually stood up and cheered them.
All of the assaults on the heights failed, but the Irish had the distinction of getting the farthest.

[WarriorAngel]

One of the most famous brigades in the union army was the "Irish Brigade" which was composed of mostly new york regiments (especially the 69th) and mostly new irish imagrants.

They served with distinction in several engagements, probably the most famous was at Fredricksburg in the suicide assault on Marie's Heights.

The Irish picked sprigs of evergreen and put them in their hats as they marched through the town to assault the heights. They made such a gallant image in their advance that the confederates on the heights (many of whom were also irish, by chance) actually stood up and cheered them.
All of the assaults on the heights failed, but the Irish had the distinction of getting the farthest.

That would have to be a tough battle to fight your own 'family' so to speak.

I also read that the Irish slaves had to build the railroads.

Thankfully that's over. :sorry:

[Yeznik]

One of the most famous brigades in the union army was the "Irish Brigade" which was composed of mostly new york regiments (especially the 69th) and mostly new irish imagrants.

They served with distinction in several engagements, probably the most famous was at Fredricksburg in the suicide assault on Marie's Heights.

The Irish picked sprigs of evergreen and put them in their hats as they marched through the town to assault the heights. They made such a gallant image in their advance that the confederates on the heights (many of whom were also irish, by chance) actually stood up and cheered them.
All of the assaults on the heights failed, but the Irish had the distinction of getting the farthest.

This was captured in the movie Gangs of New York.

[Sothron]

One of the most famous brigades in the union army was the "Irish Brigade" which was composed of mostly new york regiments (especially the 69th) and mostly new irish imagrants.

They served with distinction in several engagements, probably the most famous was at Fredricksburg in the suicide assault on Marie's Heights.

The Irish picked sprigs of evergreen and put them in their hats as they marched through the town to assault the heights. They made such a gallant image in their advance that the confederates on the heights (many of whom were also irish, by chance) actually stood up and cheered them.
All of the assaults on the heights failed, but the Irish had the distinction of getting the farthest.

My great-x amount of times-grandfather was fighting for the Confederacy in that battle and was forced to kill his fellow Irishmen charging up the hill at them. :(

[Secundulus]

That would have to be a tough battle to fight your own 'family' so to speak.

I also read that the Irish slaves had to build the railroads.

Thankfully that's over. :sorry:

Its over?

Down here the score is
Yankees - 1, Rebels - 0, Halftime

My picture (I am on the right)
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f215/scottb81/scan0001.jpg

[WarriorAngel]

Okie dokie... :D Nice pic. lol

Yea, Irish slaves are over.... but if no one told you... ^_^ I think you need to see an attorney ASAP. ;) lol

Halftime??

Ahem. :P

[WarriorAngel]

My great-x amount of times-grandfather was fighting for the Confederacy in that battle and was forced to kill his fellow Irishmen charging up the hill at them. :(

:(

[WarriorAngel]

This was captured in the movie Gangs of New York.

Well, would that movie still be out?

[kamikat]

Well, would that movie still be out?

It's several years old. It's out on DVD, though and comes on the cable channel a couple times a year.

[Yeznik]

It's several years old. It's out on DVD, though and comes on the cable channel a couple times a year.


Its one of my favorite movies about REAL American history.