Discussion thread for LIsa0315 as moderator

[Jim47]

In this thread there will be no more than ONE primary post per member (questions or statements)--with the ONLY exception being ONE additional post for one of the following reasons: 1. to ask ONE follow up question (must be directly related to the original question)2. to clarify the orignial question IF asked by the applicatant, or3. to recant a statement made by the member in the original post the member made.

[GreenMunchkin]

Lisa, your ministry is for atheists, and you're extremely passionate and emotional and have sometimes had to go back and re-think something you've said: how do you see yourself remaining completely impartial and without letting personal bias interfere? For example, in the latest Announcement thread, you will automatically give an atheist the benefit of the doubt for emotional reasons, and have an emotional bias against Christians - despite your being one... We sorted out our personal misunderstanding, and you have a good heart and you love God so much, but I genuinely see the points I've raised as potential problems.

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, your ministry is for atheists, and you're extremely passionate and emotional and have sometimes had to go back and re-think something you've said: how do you see yourself remaining completely impartial and without letting personal bias interfere? For example, in the latest Announcement thread, you will automatically give an atheist the benefit of the doubt for emotional reasons, and have an emotional bias against Christians - despite your being one... We sorted out our personal misunderstanding, and you have a good heart and you love God so much, but I genuinely see the points I've raised as potential problems.

I am very passionate about atheists and bringing them to Christ. I was very close to being one of them myself just three years ago, so I suppose that I understand them well. I understand their questions and their logic and the deception that they are under. They are indeed my primary reason for being here at CF.

As far as having an emotional bias against Christians, I do not agree that this is so. I just do not have an automatic allegience to one who calls themselves Christian if by their actions they do not demonstrate it. I genuinely try to be a peacemaker and I think that my posts demonstrate that.

I am quick to apologize and quick to forgive. I think sometimes that quickness to apologize may be perceived as changing positions or regretting a hasty action. Instead, it is the leadership of the Holy Spirit in my life which far prefers working things out rather than continuing in a bitter confrontation. I think you saw this when I approached you and worked diligently to mend whatever differences we had.


From a moderating perspective, the rules are the goal. I am confident that I can remain impartial. The reason that I am confident is because moderating is very similar to what I do in my personal life. There are always different goals and many times there are opposing sides in those goals. My role as I see it is one of keeping things calm and as a last resort using the moderating tools to end the issue.

Lisa

[Letalis]

I am very passionate about atheists and bringing them to Christ. I was very close to being one of them myself just three years ago, so I suppose that I understand them well. I understand their questions and their logic and the deception that they are under. They are indeed my primary reason for being here at CF.
If I may ask one question, given the above, why didn't you apply for the Debate team?

[Lisa0315]

If I may ask one question, given the above, why didn't you apply for the Debate team?

I did. :) I applied for either Debate or Conservative Christians, wherever the need was greater. I was sponsored for this one.

Lisa

[Letalis]

Do you have a preference?

Debate is in dire need of staff.

[GreenMunchkin]

I think you saw this when I approached you and worked diligently to mend whatever differences we had.I feel dreadful, but that's not how I saw it, at all. It turned into a wonderful discussion eventually, but - without breaking confidentiality - you said I hated you and that you'd just stay outside with the sinners... which, if you'll remember, baffled me completely and I felt like I sort of had to plead with you to talk about it. If you still have the pms, please please re-read them, and you'll see.

I *really* like you as a person, especially since our discussion, but something is preventing me from voting yes. If this *were* the debate forum - I'm trying to think of a better candidate, and I can't - you'd get a yes hands down, but for this forum, I just don't know.

I think I'm concerned that you'd be more heavy-handed with Christians. Being on the same "side" as you in a debate is great, because you're fearless, but having you as a mod of this forum makes me slightly uncomfortable, somehow. Given how contentious this forum is, I think we need mods who are *particularly* even-handed.

Please don't be upset, because I'm not trying to be mean. Just trying to be honest, because this is a big deal, I think.

[Lisa0315]

Do you have a preference?

Debate is in dire need of staff.

That is a tough question. I do not want to let people here down. I think my skill set is more in line with debate than it is congregational. However, as I said, I do not want to let people down who have voted for me already. Debate wasn't an option for me at the time...

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

I feel dreadful, but that's not how I saw it, at all. It turned into a wonderful discussion eventually, but - without breaking confidentiality - you said I hated you and that you'd just stay outside with the sinners... which, if you'll remember, baffled me completely and I felt like I sort of had to plead with you to talk about it. If you still have the pms, please please re-read them, and you'll see.

I *really* like you as a person, especially since our discussion, but something is preventing me from voting yes. If this *were* the debate forum - I'm trying to think of a better candidate, and I can't - you'd get a yes hands down, but for this forum, I just don't know.

I think I'm concerned that you'd be more heavy-handed with Christians. Being on the same "side" as you in a debate is great, because you're fearless, but having you as a mod of this forum makes me slightly uncomfortable, somehow. Given how contentious this forum is, I think we need mods who are *particularly* even-handed.

Please don't be upset, because I'm not trying to be mean. Just trying to be honest, because this is a big deal, I think.

Greenie,
That is okay. Vote your conscience. I agree it is a big deal.

As far as the issue between us, if you remember, I came to CC, and you out of the blue said that your heart sank when you saw my name. I had no idea why. I invited you to tell me publicly or in PM what the issue was. We went to PM and I thought that at the end of that, you had found that you had misjudged me. However, if you cannot vote for me with confidence, I will never hold that against you. We will remain friends no matter what happens here.

The only thing that I will say in my defense is that I do not think that not having a bias for Christians is the same as having a bias against Christians.

Lisa

[Letalis]

That is a tough question. I do not want to let people here down. I think my skill set is more in line with debate than it is congregational. However, as I said, I do not want to let people down who have voted for me already. Debate wasn't an option for me at the time...

Lisa
I think you'd be fine in either section.

You can start in Ecumenical and transfer later if you want.

(It's always an option).

[Lisa0315]

I think you'd be fine in either section.

You can start in Ecumenical and transfer later if you want.

(It's always an option).

Well, I was actually thinking that this would be a better place for me as a beginner mod. Perhaps in the future, I would come over to Debate, or if allowed, serve in both areas.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Greenie,
That is okay. Vote your conscience. I agree it is a big deal.

As far as the issue between us, if you remember, I came to CC, and you out of the blue said that your heart sank when you saw my name. I had no idea why. I invited you to tell me publicly or in PM what the issue was. We went to PM and I thought that at the end of that, you had found that you had misjudged me. However, if you cannot vote for me with confidence, I will never hold that against you. We will remain friends no matter what happens here.

The only thing that I will say in my defense is that I do not think that not having a bias for Christians is the same as having a bias against Christians.

LisaThank you :hug: :hug: Just need to ponder for a few minutes, if that's ok? Thank you, though. Am grateful :hug:

[Letalis]

Well, I was actually thinking that this would be a better place for me as a beginner mod. Perhaps in the future, I would come over to Debate, or if allowed, serve in both areas.

Lisa
Definitely.

Being on Debate is no picnic. Heh.

I hope to see you on staff.

[Lisa0315]

Thank you :hug: :hug: Just need to ponder for a few minutes, if that's ok? Thank you, though. Am grateful :hug:

GreenMunchkin, I assure you it is not a problem at all. I want you to do what you think is right on this.

Let me say this...There are people I work with that I think are fantastic, wonderful people. Yet, they are horrible at their jobs. It is a horrible situation to be in. You can love a person dearly, and still be upset with their job performance. In the end, when it comes to job performance, you cannot allow friendship to be the swaying factor. To protect them for the sake of friendship ends up hurting them even more in the long run.

So, I stress to you that you should vote in whatever way you are comfortable. If I do not end up being a mod, that is fine. I will consider it the Will of the People and I will never hold it against anyone.

Lisa

[Izdaari]

Lisa, you have my vote. You are both fair and diplomatic, both essential qualities in a moderator. (And I've done more than my share of modding, for years and years now, just not on CF.)

:thumbsup:

[Lisa0315]

Lisa, you have my vote. You are both fair and diplomatic, both essential qualities in a moderator. (And I've done more than my share of modding, for years and years now, just not on CF.)

:thumbsup:


Thank You. I really appreciate that. :hug:

Lisa

[Jim47]

PLease take a look again at the rules laid out in the first post. All of these idle comments are not needed and are not supposed to be there.

Please go back and edit our those unnecessary posts. This thread is supposed to be for questions and answers to those questions only.

[D'Ann]

Hi Lisa,

I want to vote for you, but can't find your mod app here in the Ecumenical mod section. I'm a bit new to this system... can someone help me find her mod app? Please send me a pm because I don't come here often. HUGS

But I do believe that Lisa would do well as a moderator here and on the Debate Team.

[Lisa0315]

Hi Lisa,

I want to vote for you, but can't find your mod app here in the Ecumenical mod section. I'm a bit new to this system... can someone help me find her mod app? Please send me a pm because I don't come here often. HUGS

But I do believe that Lisa would do well as a moderator here and on the Debate Team.

I'm not sure, but I don't think we are doing applications anymore. Correct me if I am wrong, Jim. There is a poll and a discussion thread in which you can ask questions. That is the "application" I believe.

Lisa

[Voegelin]

You have my vote.

Your tag line "Catholic Friend and Ally. Ask me why!" is great. The type of understanding of each other we need more of not just in this forum but across the faith.

[Lisa0315]

You have my vote.

Your tag line "Catholic Friend and Ally. Ask me why!" is great. The type of understanding of each other we need more of not just in this forum but across the faith.


Thanks! I have to give OBOB credit for that. They edumacated me! :D

Lisa

[nyj]

I voted "Apply Later". I'm of the mind that moderating should be more of a passive endeavor, and I don't think that suits your style at the present time.


ETA:

Regardless, it is strange that a quiet mouse of a mod is beng requested by those who would seek to devour the site. A Passive mod is what is being called for? Strange, in my 2+ years here, I have yet to meet a passive mod...
This is obviously directed at me. I seek to devour the site? You must surely be kidding me.

Anyways, yes ... I believe in passive moderation. I do not agree with typically proactively moderating. I believe the membership of ths forum should speak as to what they agree breaks the rules and what does not. Proactive moderation usually "shoots first, asks questions later" it does not rely on the community. I've seen this approach exercised during my 4+ years as a staff member, and I've had my fair share of it. Since I now have a say as to how my contributions are to be moderated, I'm going to opt for the less invasive approach.

Your dig at me is a clear reason why I don't want you as a moderator of this forum.

[Miss Shelby]

Seems like a good starting place. I said yes.

[Hishandmaiden]

I think you will make a fine moderator. :) God really humbles me through you not to judge a book by its cover. I do not originally have a good impression of you at first, I must confess, when I see your earnest desire to pursue justice, in a post with regard to a moderator's violation of the confidential issues.

But God humbled me by bringing me to come across to more of your posts along the way, and I realise you are a nice sister, with a nice heart.

So yes, sister, go ahead and be a moderator here. :)

[Lisa0315]

I think you will make a fine moderator. :) God really humbles me through you not to judge a book by its cover. I do not originally have a good impression of you at first, I must confess, when I see your earnest desire to pursue justice, in a post with regard to a moderator's violation of the confidential issues.

But God humbled me by bringing me to come across to more of your posts along the way, and I realise you are a nice sister, with a nice heart.

So yes, sister, go ahead and be a moderator here. :)

God bless you for that! I appreciate your fair consideration. I am the sum of many parts. I am not the sum of just one post or one thread. That is greatly appreciated.

Lisa

[GreenMunchkin]

Beastt,
I understand your frustration, but there are good Christians here also. The poll would not be as close as it is if not. There are many, many people here who "get it". However, the old regime is still powerful. They have been here the longest. They know the site in and out, and they are not afraid of using whatever methods, underhanded or not, to get their way.
I would say to another Christian, "Trust in the Lord!" I still say it to you although I do understand that you cannot do that at this time. Even so, it is in God's hands. I believe this with all my heart or I would not be here.
Right will win out in the end. These days are days in which God is performing that miracle that you guys always want to see. This is it!
What you are seeing are the hidden wolves who have been here all along. God has known them from the beginning and He is now forcing them into the open where all can see.
Do not despair, my friend. It is going to work out and it will work out the way that God wills it.
Love, Hugs, and Abiding Friendship,
Lisa

No, no, don't give up. I was to the same point and fortunately had to go away for a week on business. It can wear you down, but do not stop fighting. Take a break if you need to but come back! We need you! They are counting on winning by fighting the longest. We must not give up.
Lisa

True enough, but there are not enough of the inclusive Christians to do this on our own. Without the non-Christians, the wolves will win. It is that simple.
I honestly do not think that the Civil Rights movement would have won the day either if not for reasonable white people joining forces with the minorities in this country. True?
Lisa

Okay, I have a fun question:
How many of you have gotten reps as a way of posting an opposing view without giving you a chance to respond?
Here is my favorite rep of this type:
If this isn't a ministry.. then whether the leadership is Christian or not, doesnt make much difference. But if CF is a ministry.. having atheists and witches in leadership isn't anything other than spiritual adultery. We are called to be separate
Lisa

ooookayyyyy....Stormy, I do not think you appreciate just how belittled and alienated some folks feel here. Second, I do not think you appreciate the underhanded methods that have been employed to keep this site the way it was. Third, I do not think you really understand the motivations of the wolves among us. The ravening wolves are not the atheists, but are those who claim to know Jesus but act like Satan.

:(

Lisa, what's going on in these posts, please? These are things you've said in one thread in GA.

You say you're applying to serve, which is wonderful, then the same day call people who dislike the changes "wolves" and say they're acting like Satan... I don't really understand.

Am sort of concerned about the fact you aren't telling them how many of us have been asking for a third option where *everyone* is treated equally... instead pushing the idea that Christians are wolves, but you are the sole follower of Christ. Yes, it makes you look good, but what do you suppose it does to their misinterpretation of Christianity and Christians in general? Do you not feel posts like these create strife and foster the divide?

Who are you talking about when you mention ravening wolves, Lisa? Us? The people you want to mod? Or just Christians in general? If I've somehow misinterpreted you, please explain how, because truly, it seems you actively dislike Christians from these posts.

Thank you.

[Sothron]

I have serious problems with someone wanting to be a mod of a conservative Christian board who seems to support completely opposite viewpoints.

I voted "apply later" but I wish there were a simple "No" option to choose because it more adequately sums up my feelings.

[Lisa0315]

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Lisa, what's going on in these posts, please? These are things you've said in one thread in GA.

You say you're applying to serve, which is wonderful, then the same day call people who dislike the changes "wolves" and say they're acting like Satan... I don't really understand.

Am sort of concerned about the fact you aren't telling them how many of us have been asking for a third option where *everyone* is treated equally... instead pushing the idea that Christians are wolves, but you are the sole follower of Christ. Yes, it makes you look good, but what do you suppose it does to their misinterpretation of Christianity and Christians in general? Do you not feel posts like these create strife and foster the divide?

Who are you talking about when you mention ravening wolves, Lisa? Us? The people you want to mod? Or just Christians in general? If I've somehow misinterpreted you, please explain how, because truly, it seems you actively dislike Christians from these posts.

Thank you.

I actively dislike Christians who go by the name but do not act like it. It is not about an opposing view. I welcome an opposing view. I do not like it when an opposing view will go to any lengths to insure that their side "wins". The ravening wolves among us claim the name of our Lord, but they do not know Him.

When I was a little girl, my mother was the sole provider of our home. This meant that my older brothers took care of me. So, I learned to play baseball, football, basketball just like a boy. The number one thing that I was taught about these games was playing fair and not being a "sore loser". With or without the Christian title, I have seen countless examples of people who do not play this game fairly and they are extremely sore at losing.

There have been those who have influenced polls by sock voting on BOTH sides. There have been those who have published "true Christians" lists. There have been those who have slandered and slung mud.

I have been in the middle of all of it. Those things that I speak of are not flames but first hand experience. Many of those who are at a high staff level have been a part of this which I find ironic when they then call for moderators to be passive. I am definitely not passive, but then, I am not passive aggressive either.

Now, re-read my posts without automatic allegience to anyone who "claims" the title of Christian. Read it from a perspective of encouraging people who HAVE felt belittled, and not welcome. Read it from a perspective of someone who wants everyone to have equality here on CF.

I am not part of any group here. I am not self-appointing myself to know the best way to run CF. I am fighting for what I believe is right.

This is who I am. This is who I will remain. I am comfortable in my own skin, and also in the things that I have said here. I fight for what I believe is right. I will not change that and if that means that I am not qualified to be a moderator, so be it.

I am sum of many parts. I am not one post or even one thread. I am friend to many. See my buddy list. It is a diverse group of people.

Finally, I work in Corporate America. I recognize the tactics that some are using here. These are days of political and power struggles. Whose side are you on? Whose side am I on? I can tell you this. I am on the side of God, and I have been given gifts that I will use to His glory. Whether I do that as a moderator or as a member really makes no difference to me.

When it comes down to it...having me on staff will tone down my voice here. My first allegience, then, will be to the rules rather than to my own opinion. A wise enemy would vote me on staff simply to silence me. I know the power of my gift. It angers. It cuts. It encourages. It blesses. It shouts out praise to the Lord my God.

Regardless, it is strange that a quiet mouse of a mod is beng requested by those who would seek to devour the site. A Passive mod is what is being called for? Strange, in my 2+ years here, I have yet to meet a passive mod...

Lisa

[nyj]

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[Sothron]

I actively dislike Christians who go by the name but do not act like it. It is not about an opposing view. I welcome an opposing view. I do not like it when an opposing view will go to any lengths to insure that their side "wins". The ravening wolves among us claim the name of our Lord, but they do not know Him.

When I was a little girl, my mother was the sole provider of our home. This meant that my older brothers took care of me. So, I learned to play baseball, football, basketball just like a boy. The number one thing that I was taught about these games was playing fair and not being a "sore loser". With or without the Christian title, I have seen countless examples of people who do not play this game fairly and they are extremely sore at losing.

There have been those who have influenced polls by sock voting on BOTH sides. There have been those who have published "true Christians" lists. There have been those who have slandered and slung mud.

I have been in the middle of all of it. Those things that I speak of are not flames but first hand experience. Many of those who are at a high staff level have been a part of this which I find ironic when they then call for moderators to be passive. I am definitely not passive, but then, I am not passive aggressive either.

Now, re-read my posts without automatic allegience to anyone who "claims" the title of Christian. Read it from a perspective of encouraging people who HAVE felt belittled, and not welcome. Read it from a perspective of someone who wants everyone to have equality here on CF.

I am not part of any group here. I am not self-appointing myself to know the best way to run CF. I am fighting for what I believe is right.

This is who I am. This is who I will remain. I am comfortable in my own skin, and also in the things that I have said here. I fight for what I believe is right. I will not change that and if that means that I am not qualified to be a moderator, so be it.

I am sum of many parts. I am not one post or even one thread. I am friend to many. See my buddy list. It is a diverse group of people.

Finally, I work in Corporate America. I recognize the tactics that some are using here. These are days of political and power struggles. Whose side are you on? Whose side am I on? I can tell you this. I am on the side of God, and I have been given gifts that I will use to His glory. Whether I do that as a moderator or as a member really makes no difference to me.

When it comes down to it...having me on staff will tone down my voice here. My first allegience, then, will be to the rules rather than to my own opinion. A wise enemy would vote me on staff simply to silence me. I know the power of my gift. It angers. It cuts. It encourages. It blesses. It shouts out praise to the Lord my God.

Regardless, it is strange that a quiet mouse of a mod is beng requested by those who would seek to devour the site. A Passive mod is what is being called for? Strange, in my 2+ years here, I have yet to meet a passive mod...

Lisa

I've only been at this site since last Nov but would you please give an example of these "ravening wolves" you keep mentioning? You do not have to name names but at least give an example of what you are talking about as "not being really Christian"? :scratch:

[GreenMunchkin]

I actively dislike Christians who go by the name but do not act like it. It is not about an opposing view. I welcome an opposing view. I do not like it when an opposing view will go to any lengths to insure that their side "wins". The ravening wolves among us claim the name of our Lord, but they do not know Him.And who specifically are you referring to here? Because many of us want equality for everyone, yet don't feel the need to liken Christians to ravening wolves to people who are already feeling potentially marginalized.

When I was a little girl, my mother was the sole provider of our home. This meant that my older brothers took care of me. So, I learned to play baseball, football, basketball just like a boy. The number one thing that I was taught about these games was playing fair and not being a "sore loser". With or without the Christian title, I have seen countless examples of people who do not play this game fairly and they are extremely sore at losing.A few, perhaps. And, again, why are these the people you are using in discussions in GA? You always say you're a peace-maker. In your heart of hearts, do you feel your posts were peace-making?

There have been those who have influenced polls by sock voting on BOTH sides. There have been those who have published "true Christians" lists. There have been those who have slandered and slung mud.

I have been in the middle of all of it. Those things that I speak of are not flames but first hand experience. Many of those who are at a high staff level have been a part of this which I find ironic when they then call for moderators to be passive. I am definitely not passive, but then, I am not passive aggressive either.nyj, to my knowledge, has done nothing to make people feel mistreated, nor displayed any of the behaviour you're describing. I find this very divisive, and I don't understand why you're saying it.

Now, re-read my posts without automatic allegience to anyone who "claims" the title of Christian. Read it from a perspective of encouraging people who HAVE felt belittled, and not welcome. Read it from a perspective of someone who wants everyone to have equality here on CF.Lisa, I resent the implication that I *don't* want equality. You're making too much of this about you. Equality is caring equally for everyone; not just for the people who have an affinity with. GA, at the moment, isn't a nice place to be. Somehow people are under the misapprehension that non-Christians will be banned. Whereas in the announcement threads, it's been said again and again that CF need to be a safe place for *all*. That's wanting equality. Calling you and atheists "we" isn't equality. It's widening the divide. Surely you see that?

I am not part of any group here. I am not self-appointing myself to know the best way to run CF. I am fighting for what I believe is right.Lisa, re-read the quotes I gave and then look at what you've just said.

This is who I am. This is who I will remain. I am comfortable in my own skin, and also in the things that I have said here. I fight for what I believe is right. I will not change that and if that means that I am not qualified to be a moderator, so be it.It's wonderful you feel that way. I'm not trying to villify you. As I've said, I like you very much as a person, but this is worrying me a lot, yes. You seem to feel any Christian who disagrees with your pov is a wolf, and acting like Satan; and you're actively helping to widen the divide, when if the people in GA respect you, you could be doing so much to lessen it.

I am sum of many parts. I am not one post or even one thread. I am friend to many. See my buddy list. It is a diverse group of people.The same is true for many of us.

Finally, I work in Corporate America. I recognize the tactics that some are using here. These are days of political and power struggles. Whose side are you on? Whose side am I on? I can tell you this. I am on the side of God, and I have been given gifts that I will use to His glory. Whether I do that as a moderator or as a member really makes no difference to me.I don't know a single thing about CF politics, and I don't want to. Your posts clearly indicate you feel there *are* sides, and that you have to "fight" or the wolves will win. Do you honestly not find that sort of viewpoint worrying for a potential mod?

When it comes down to it...having me on staff will tone down my voice here. My first allegience, then, will be to the rules rather than to my own opinion. A wise enemy would vote me on staff simply to silence me. I know the power of my gift. It angers. It cuts. It encourages. It blesses. It shouts out praise to the Lord my God.A wise enemy? We have enemies here? Lisa, we all need to be fostering community, not playing war games.

Regardless, it is strange that a quiet mouse of a mod is beng requested by those who would seek to devour the site. A Passive mod is what is being called for? Strange, in my 2+ years here, I have yet to meet a passive mod...

LisaThis is another personal dig at someone, and I don't understand your reasoning.

I'm so sorry if this is unpleasant, because that's not my intention, but I'd put my doubs to one side and this has brought them back ten-fold.

I can't get beyond your charges of people being wolves and acting like Satan. Saying that to people who already don't trust Christians is just fundamentally wrong, particularly as one who wants to represent the site.

[Lisa0315]

I've only been at this site since last Nov but would you please give an example of these "ravening wolves" you keep mentioning? You do not have to name names but at least give an example of what you are talking about as "not being really Christian"? :scratch:


In another moderator poll thread, the candidate's personal information was given out by a staff member to sway the vote against the candidate. Staff had to take emergency measures and shut down mod applications until procedures could be put into place.
In a poll, there were people who were bragging about using sock accounts to sway the voting.
In that same poll, there were people who published the names of "true Christians". This meant those who had voted a certain way.
Anabaptists were kicked out of Baptist forums because they oppose the death penalty. I found this out only when I was seeking to reunite the two groups having no idea what had occurred in the past.
The very first post I ever read here at CF was from a Christian calling an atheist a fool.
The very first thread I ever posted asked if Atheists thought the Christians here hated them. It was an overwhelming answer of "yes".
When a poll was shut down because of sock voting, it was made out to be that it had been closed due to the "wrong" choice winning. There was no winner, it was not the reason, and the person knew it.
When the poll went back to wiki, the so-called winning choice was going to be THE rule. The only change was to remove the inflammatory language in the rule and to address one issue at a time. There was still no consensus because those members who wanted that rule, wanted to leave the inflammatory language within it.
I went to various participants of those threads and polls trying to make things right with them even though I did not feel at fault. Some replied back to me and we worked things out. Still, others never even acknowledged by PM.
In defending one member here, I admitted to having been clinically depressed my whole life. It is not something I am ashamed of or try to hide. I had a member follow me around telling me I should not participate in the rule making process as I was not treating my depression in the manner that she thought was best. (She preferred herbal remedies and implied that I had not turned over my illness to God for healing)
I have been in PM with many members who have been so hurt by these same people. I have been in PM to others crying over the hurt they have caused me. I even went to Constance at one point because I was so upset by it. She counseled me and well, if I might add.
Constance was attacked herself for being on the wrong side and for saying similar things as I have said. I guess our site minister is also not passive enough.
Negativity is allowed and encouraged if one is being negative against the right side.
I went to Conservative Christians and said "Hi!" I was greeted with "My heart sank when I saw your name here". I went to PM to find out what I had done since I had only posted with that person in the Annonymos Blessing Bomber Threads, and even then, not directly. Apparantly, my reputation for being on the "wrong" side preceeded me.Wolves among us...I have seen it, watched it, and have fought against it. I will continue to fight against it. It is not so much equality for atheists that I am concerned with half as much as I am concerned about those who treat this site like their own personal political party.

Whether I am the kind of mod you need here or not is really not the issue. Vote your conscience. I will not hold it against anyone. I will consider it the Will of the People and the will of God. The issue as far as I am concerned is to eliminate the Country Club Mentality and bring in the love of God. This means absolute truth told with divine love and grace. It does not mean groups of small petty tyrants who define Christianity for all of us, and worst of all define Christianity for those outside our faith. God forbid that the wolves are the best representatives of Christ this site has to show.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

And who specifically are you referring to here? Because many of us want equality for everyone, yet don't feel the need to liken Christians to ravening wolves to people who are already feeling potentially marginalized.

A few, perhaps. And, again, why are these the people you are using in discussions in GA? You always say you're a peace-maker. In your heart of hearts, do you feel your posts were peace-making?

nyj, to my knowledge, has done nothing to make people feel mistreated, nor displayed any of the behaviour you're describing. I find this very divisive, and I don't understand why you're saying it.

Lisa, I resent the implication that I *don't* want equality. You're making too much of this about you. Equality is caring equally for everyone; not just for the people who have an affinity with. GA, at the moment, isn't a nice place to be. Somehow people are under the misapprehension that non-Christians will be banned. Whereas in the announcement threads, it's been said again and again that CF need to be a safe place for *all*. That's wanting equality. Calling you and atheists "we" isn't equality. It's widening the divide. Surely you see that?

Lisa, re-read the quotes I gave and then look at what you've just said.

It's wonderful you feel that way. I'm not trying to villify you. As I've said, I like you very much as a person, but this is worrying me a lot, yes. You seem to feel any Christian who disagrees with your pov is a wolf, and acting like Satan; and you're actively helping to widen the divide, when if the people in GA respect you, you could be doing so much to lessen it.

The same is true for many of us.

I don't know a single thing about CF politics, and I don't want to. Your posts clearly indicate you feel there *are* sides, and that you have to "fight" or the wolves will win. Do you honestly not find that sort of viewpoint worrying for a potential mod?

A wise enemy? We have enemies here? Lisa, we all need to be fostering community, not playing war games.

This is another personal dig at someone, and I don't understand your reasoning.

I'm so sorry if this is unpleasant, because that's not my intention, but I'd put my doubs to one side and this has brought them back ten-fold.

I can't get beyond your charges of people being wolves and acting like Satan. Saying that to people who already don't trust Christians is just fundamentally wrong, particularly as one who wants to represent the site.

GreenMunchkin,
This is not a debate. You have had your question and followup question, and I have answered you as truthfully as possible. However, if I understand the mod applicant process, this needs to stop now.

Lisa

[WarriorAngel]

I have absolute faith in Lisa, and requested a few months ago that she apply to be a moderator.

I feel she tries to be balanced, and will learn the necessities of moderating.

You have my YES vote. I have seen you moderate your own thread in GT as fair and balanced as possible and you are genuinely interested in the members.

God Bless

[Davidnic]

I don't have any questions but this is a statement. I would support Lisa without hesitation as a moderator. She is fair and kind and I believe possesses all the skills to be a great moderator.

She is also a bedrock of Christian values in action at CF (that I have seen). She reaches out in understanding but does not compromise the core.

I suspect she and I have different opinions of the recent changes in some respects, but that in no way diminishes my support for her in any way. Nor does it make her any less qualified, able or capable to be a mod.

I think that she would moderate fairly and not bring personal issues into a situation and that she would always be available to help members.

I believe she would be a great mod for this area and should be given a chance.

I give this statement with no hesitation and knowing her fairly well. If Lisa contacted me about a problem post I would have every confidence that she was being fair, even if we disagreed.

I believe that any admin and any team would be happy to have her. And I think she is a good fit for this sub-forum.

[Lisa0315]

Thank you both for your endorsements. It means alot.

Lisa

[Joykins]

I am not voting in this poll only because I do not self-identify as a conservative. I believe Lisa to be a fair and kind person with a passion for righteousness.

However, I do have one question. Lisa, could you please describe what you did after the reforms after hearing of the Baptist/Anabaptist forum split, and explain how you would have acted were you a moderator in that situation?

[Lisa0315]

I am not voting in this poll only because I do not self-identify as a conservative. I believe Lisa to be a fair and kind person with a passion for righteousness.

However, I do have one question. Lisa, could you please describe what you did after the reforms after hearing of the Baptist/Anabaptist forum split, and explain how you would have acted were you a moderator in that situation?

Well, I am not sure you should be interviewing me if I am not going to be working for you. :) That doesn't seem quite right or fair. It would be no different than if an atheist were to come interview me here.

However, I will still answer the question.

I started a wiki which really wasn't a wiki so much as it was a gathering of all information into one area. It was a place in which Baptists could easily link to the various polls and wikis within that congregational area.

One of the links was to a discussion between an Anabaptist member and the Baptist congregation in which the Anabaptist was looking for a reconciliation. I noted in my Wiki that we should unite with the Anabaptists asap if that was what we were going to do. Otherwise, they would not have any say in the rules and voting of mods that kind of thing. I stated that it should be our first order of business to avoid future hard feelings between our groups.

Anabaptists and others who were once a part of the Baptist community began to PM me and write in the thread that they were not going to participate in a place that they were not welcome in. After many things were said, someone provided me with a link to the discussion in which Erwin was creating the Anabaptist sub forum. I found out that Anabaptists had not left on their own, but had been kicked out along with many others who did not have the Baptist icon and /or the exact beliefs as others in that congregation.

Initially, I called for my Baptist brothers and sisters to make this right. I was met with strong opposition. I went into the wiki that I had created and that I alone had written, and deleted the work that I had done there. I de-wikied it. I also wrote a strong rebuke to my brothers and sisters in its place. This was removed, and replaced and a bit of a Holy War began over my actions. I still appealed to the Baptist congregation to make this right. Anabaptists and the others may or may not WANT to go back, but an apology over the past, and a reconciliation was in order.

Unfortunately, the right thing is not something that can be forced. I was told that "most" of those people had since left CF, therefore, it was not current member's responsibility. Well, it wasn't my doing either, but, I still felt responsible for the hurt that had been caused simply because I carried a Baptist banner. Regardless, I wished everyone well, changed my icon, and sat and cried for about 10 minutes over it. I cried and I prayed, and when I was finished, I came back to CF.

There, right before my eyes, a new forum had been created called Conservative Christians. It was like an answer to my prayer. I began to read the posts. I began to see familiar faces. It was like a blend of the best of Protestants and Catholics. It was as if it had been custom made for me. I was very, very grateful, and after a few days, I began to toy with the idea of being a mod when I saw Sophia7 say that they were short handed.

I struggled with this decision because over a year ago, I applied to be a mod, was accepted, and right before my training began, I turned it down. The reason I turned it down was because as I began to tell people in GA, I felt them withdrawing from me. Second, there seemed to be something going on behind the scenes that I did not think I wanted to be a part of.

These two impediments were removed from me with the opening of reports and the acceptance of atheists into the mainstream of the site.

I hope that answers the question. However, I would ask that all future questions should come from Conservative Members whom I will be serving.

Lisa

[Joykins]

You will still be moderating me as I post here even if not as a voting member so I decided to ask. I appreciate your taking the time to answer especially as you did not have to :)

[Lisa0315]

You will still be moderating me as I post here even if not as a voting member so I decided to ask. I appreciate your taking the time to answer especially as you did not have to :)

Oh, that is very true, and I didn't think of it like that. I appreciate your pointing that out! :thumbsup:

Lisa

[D'Ann]

I'm not sure, but I don't think we are doing applications anymore. Correct me if I am wrong, Jim. There is a poll and a discussion thread in which you can ask questions. That is the "application" I believe.

Lisa


Oooh... didn't know that. :hug:

Then I vote yes. I asked you to join staff a few months ago because I believed then as I do now, that you would be a wonderful blessing on staff. Thank You. :hug:

God Bless You,

Debbie

[MrJim]

I am not voting in this poll only because I do not self-identify as a conservative. I believe Lisa to be a fair and kind person with a passion for righteousness.


I also am not voting because I've not aligned with this particular forum but agree with Joykins about Lisa~I've had some run-ins with this rascal ;) and would still vote yes for her.

[Lisa0315]

Awww...Thanks you guys!!! :hug:

Lisa

[Jim47]

I'm not sure, but I don't think we are doing applications anymore. Correct me if I am wrong, Jim. There is a poll and a discussion thread in which you can ask questions. That is the "application" I believe.

Lisa


That is correct. Mod apps are now done by a poll in the forum that you are applying for, just as this one is.

[BBAS 64]

Good Day, Lisa

Just one quick question...

Why are you not a Roman Catholic?

Peace to u,

Bill

[Lisa0315]

Good Day, Lisa

Just one quick question...

Why are you not a Roman Catholic?

Peace to u,

Bill

I was raised Baptist, and it is what I am most comfortable with. There are many great things within the Catholic and Orthodox churches, but there are also some doctrines that I do not agree with. I have learned alot about Catholics here on CF, and I would convert to Catholicism in a heart beat if it was a choice between them or Liberalism. However, I think my beliefs most closely line up with Baptists.

Lisa

[Voegelin]

The very first post I ever read here at CF was from a Christian calling an atheist a fool

Jews started it first.

My first theological study was St. Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God. Starts with Psalms xiv. 1: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

So....while calling an atheist a fool right of is not something I would do, it is not outside the pale. There is a belief among non-believers and some Christians that the faith is or should be a loosey-goosey, feel good, never offend anyone religion. It is not. Chesterton explained it in Orthodoxy:

Those underrate Christianity who say that it discovered mercy; anyone may discover mercy. In fact, every one did. But to discover a plan for being merciful and also severe--that was to anticipate a strange need of human nature . . . any one might say "Neither swagger nor grovel"; and it would have been a limit. But to say, "Here you can swagger and there you can grovel"--than was an emancipation" . . .

But, as you know, I voted for you so I believe you can see when "swagger" is nothing more than upholding the faith. Unfortunately, there is no way to mod against improper groveling (which is, I believe, the greater danger to the faith).

[Lisa0315]

Jews started it first.

My first theological study was St. Anselm's ontological argument for the existence of God. Starts with Psalms xiv. 1: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

So....while calling an atheist a fool right of is not something I would do, it is not outside the pale. There is a belief among non-believers and some Christians that the faith is or should be a loosey-goosey, feel good, never offend anyone religion. It is not. Chesterton explained it in Orthodoxy:



But, as you know, I voted for you so I believe you can see when "swagger" is nothing more than upholding the faith. Unfortunately, there is no way to mod against improper groveling (which is, I believe, the greater danger to the faith).

I am aware of that verse and it was that verse that was being used in the post I was speaking about. However, it was not being used as a reasonable argument, but was used as an attempt to get the final word when the person was losing the debate.

It was kind of like: "Well Scripture says that you are a fool because you do not believe. What do I care what you say because you are going to hell anyway."

It was not an argument, but a petulant and mean-spirited post. Do you see the difference?

Lisa

[Voegelin]

It was not an argument, but a petulant and mean-spirited post. Do you see the difference?

Lisa

Yup....which is why I am so dead set against using only Scripture in Conservative Christian forums. Another reason I voted for you is you see the problem with that as well.

Want to drive people away? Toss a page of Scripture at them. Hermeneutics is important. Show people why a position is wrong. Starting off and ending with the conclusion--you are a fool--is not the way to convince anyone of anything. Just as importantly, it doesn't inspire many of those who agree either.

I'm really surprise the proposal that debate be limited to Scripture is being seriously made on a conservative Christian forum. I have no idea at all where this is coming from. I assume it is either denominational (which is OK but then the name of the forum should be changed) or stems from a lack of knowledge of the faith.

All that said, I don't have much problem with comments such as this considering the opposition. A Christian is calling an atheist a fool. Groups such as PFAW, the ACLU, the Freedom From Religion people and individuals such as Barry Lynn are attempting to make being a Christian a civic liability. They are reporting what Christians say to the IRS, seeking more regulations on the speech of clergy and opposing Catholics nominations to the federal Bench on the basis of their Catholicism.

I don't think flat out quoting scripture which says atheists are fools works, that is why I don't like it. But as far as I'm concerned, the gloves are off. The gloves came off during the French Revolution. After what atheists did in the Soviet Block and what they are doing today in officially atheist China I'm going to oppose them catagorically across the board (I won't however, suggest, their speech be restricted as many atheists around the world think the speech of Christians should be restricted).

[Rochir]

Lisa - do you have an emotional bias against non-conservatives or non-Christians? Would any such bias influence your decisions on reports made against Christains by non-Christians?

[Lisa0315]

Lisa - do you have an emotional bias against non-conservatives or non-Christians? Would any such bias influence your decisions on reports made against Christains by non-Christians?

Good question!

I believe I have as many non-Christian friends as I have Christian friends here. I have spent a great deal of time in Debate, especially GA. Atheists affectionately call me their "pet fundie". I am actually not a fundamentalist, but they can't quite see the distinction. :) I have developed forum relationships with many non-Christians here and I am able to talk with them openly about my faith and they treat me with respect.

I have had some run-ins with liberals here about abortion and homosexuality. I feel very strongly about abortion and I have strongly defended that position.

However, regardless of a belief, I do understand the difference between attacking the post and attacking the person. I would never use my position as a mod to further my own personal agenda. When the mod hat is on, then, the rules will be my boss. I will have no opinion except the rules.

Lisa

[Debi1967]

I have seen Lisa be extremely fair and unbiased when trying to work with others even when under attack and under much duress. I think these capabilities in her would make her a superb mod. She also knows how to forgive and she knows humility ....

With this she has my full support

[MrJim]

I signed into this forum so I'll toss a yea vote to Lisa.

[Lisa0315]

Thank you both!

Lisa

[MrJim]

Originally Posted by Lisa0315
ooookayyyyy....Stormy, I do not think you appreciate just how belittled and alienated some folks feel here. Second, I do not think you appreciate the underhanded methods that have been employed to keep this site the way it was. Third, I do not think you really understand the motivations of the wolves among us. The ravening wolves are not the atheists, but are those who claim to know Jesus but act like Satan.

I've been guilty of being this kind of wolf:( It's a great point.

[Lisa0315]

I've been guilty of being this kind of wolf:( It's a great point.

hmm...That would be a great discussion sometime. Do the wolves know that they are wolves? If you think that you have behaved as a wolf, doesn't that mean that you really are truly one of the sheep? Would a wolf be convicted of being a wolf? See what I mean?

Anyway, we have all been guilty somewhat in the last several weeks. We need to forgive each other and work towards peace and solidarity. Maybe, this is God's way of sifting us.

Lisa

[nyj]

Lisa - do you have an emotional bias against non-conservatives or non-Christians? Would any such bias influence your decisions on reports made against Christains by non-Christians?
For someone who was so vocal about non-liberals voting in your liberal moderatory thread, I find it ironic that you're here voting in a conservative moderator poll ... in the moderator forum, when the rules ARE CLEAR, that only conservatives are to vote.

Why is that?

[Lisa0315]

For someone who was so vocal about non-liberals voting in your liberal moderatory thread, I find it ironic that you're here voting in a conservative moderator poll ... in the moderator forum, when the rules ARE CLEAR, that only conservatives are to vote.

Why is that?
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My poll is closed due to non-conservatives voting. The other candidate's is closed as well. However, is there anything in the rules that says that a non-Conservative cannot ask a question? Afterall, it is likely that we will be modding visitors as well, true?

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

Oops, spoke too soon. Jim just reopened both of them, and yes, Rochir did vote. I PM'd Jim to let him know.

Lisa

[nyj]

My poll is closed due to non-conservatives voting. The other candidate's is closed as well. However, is there anything in the rules that says that a non-Conservative cannot ask a question? Afterall, it is likely that we will be modding visitors as well, true?There is nothing in the rules that says a non-con can't ask questions. However, Rochir VOTED. There is a difference. Add to that the fact that in his application he was VERY vocal about non-liberals voting (and they didn't have a rule against it, like we do) ... and it's highly ironic. No?

[Lisa0315]

There is nothing in the rules that says a non-con can't ask questions. However, Rochir VOTED. There is a difference. Add to that the fact that in his application he was VERY vocal about non-liberals voting (and they didn't have a rule against it, like we do) ... and it's highly ironic. No?

Yeah, I saw that after I posted that. Jim47 will take care of it once the poll is closed down. I think that is all that we can do until some provisions are made in the coding. We have a good list of Conservatives to go by. Would you be willing to help Jim insure that only Conservatives have voted? It would mean going through the Conservative list and making sure that there are no posers there. Maybe, I should have said all this in PM, I don't know...

Lisa

[nyj]

Yeah, I saw that after I posted that. Jim47 will take care of it once the poll is closed down. I think that is all that we can do until some provisions are made in the coding. We have a good list of Conservatives to go by. Would you be willing to help Jim insure that only Conservatives have voted? It would mean going through the Conservative list and making sure that there are no posers there. Maybe, I should have said all this in PM, I don't know...

LisaYes, I'd be more than willing to help him. There's a reason I gave 5000 blessings to get that Roll Call alphabetized (makes everyone's life easier, checking an alphabetized poll against an alphabetized list). :)

[Lisa0315]

Yes, I'd be more than willing to help him. There's a reason I gave 5000 blessings to get that Roll Call alphabetized (makes everyone's life easier, checking an alphabetized poll against an alphabetized list). :)

Whoa! I wish you had asked me to do that. I would have done it for 4999 blessings. ;) All you have to do is throw it in Excel...

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Whoa! I wish you had asked me to do that. I would have done it for 4999 blessings. ;) All you have to do is throw it in Excel...

Lisa
I did it in Word. :D

[Lisa0315]

I did it in Word. :D

That would do it too. I am an Accounting geek, so Excel is always my first choice for anything...

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

That would do it too. I am an Accounting geek, so Excel is always my first choice for anything...

Lisa
Oh believe me...I LOVE excel! :thumbsup: Used to hate it but learned to use it and pretty much use it for everything now. :) The only reason I went with Word to sort the list is that somehow I had less formatting to do.

[Lisa0315]

Oh believe me...I LOVE excel! :thumbsup: Used to hate it but learned to use it and pretty much use it for everything now. :) The only reason I went with Word to sort the list is that somehow I had less formatting to do.

How about Acess? I am an uberAccess user!

Lisa

[NewGuy101]

How about Acess? I am an uberAccess user!

Lisa

I'm an engineering intern for SoCalGas. I'm doing more of the business side of engineering and I have to be proficient with excel and other microsoft applications. The problem is that I don't remember how to use Access. :swoon:

[Lisa0315]

I'm an engineering intern for SoCalGas. I'm doing more of the business side of engineering and I have to be proficient with excel and other microsoft applications. The problem is that I don't remember how to use Access. :swoon:

Anytime you have questions, PM me. I can probably walk you through it online. I usually have CF up and running even when I am at work.

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

How about Acess? I am an uberAccess user!

Lisa
I've only had one job that I had to use Access in, and the database was already set up (which is the hardest part of the program imo), it's been awhile since I've used it. :) But I'm sure I could pick it up again if there was need. I'm an Administrative Assistant at an Engineering firm by the way. Nice to meet someone else who's an excel queen. ;)

[NewGuy101]

Anytime you have questions, PM me. I can probably walk you through it online. I usually have CF up and running even when I am at work.

Lisa
thank you, now that you offered I will bother you. :hug:

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I'm an engineering intern for SoCalGas. I'm doing more of the business side of engineering and I have to be proficient with excel and other microsoft applications. The problem is that I don't remember how to use Access. :swoon:
NO way...:eek: Cool beans...;)

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

I usually have CF up and running even when I am at work.

Lisa
Me too! ^_^

[Lisa0315]

thank you, now that you offered I will bother you. :hug:

Anytime at all...Training people on Access is about half my job anyway at work...Most people do not know how until they get a job requiring it.

Lisa

[Lisa0315]

So, you guys will know...

I just created my first sock account. It is called FashionContestBank. It is only used for the purpose of collecting blessings for a Fashion Contest that I will be starting in September.

Lisa

[MrJim]

So, you guys will know...

I just created my first sock account. It is called FashionContestBank. It is only used for the purpose of collecting blessings for a Fashion Contest that I will be starting in September.

Lisa

:doh: girls

[Lisa0315]

:doh: girls

Go check it out. It is going to be fun. There are going to be six contests with a final overall winner out of the six. It is for GUYS too!


High Fashion
Street Fashion
Comedy
Period
Fantasy
So Ugly, It's Cute!Lots of blessings to give away as well!

Lisa

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

:doh: girls
^_^ Gotta love'm! :P

[MrJim]

Go check it out. It is going to be fun. There are going to be six contests with a final overall winner out of the six. It is for GUYS too!


High Fashion
Street Fashion
Comedy
Period
Fantasy
So Ugly, It's Cute!Lots of blessings to give away as well!

Lisa

girls & girlie men^_^

[MrJim]

^_^ Gotta love'm! :P

yeah I know:D still ain't got y'all figured out. Been married almost 18 years and still:scratch:

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

yeah I know:D still ain't got y'all figured out. Been married almost 18 years and still:scratch:
^_^

What...? You think we got men figured out. :doh: ;)

[Skripper]

Can anyone provide a link to the thread that has the actual poll in it? Sorry if it's already been posted/linked to, I haven't read the whole thread. :blush:

Thanks!

[Lisa0315]

http://www.christianforums.com/t5795997-poll-to-elect-lisa0315-as-moderator-for-cc-forum.html

[Skripper]

Thank you. :)

[ContentInHim]

I believe that Lisa would be a superb mod. Witness her thread in Nicene Theology - the respectful one between Catholics and non-Catholics. She should be proud of that thread.

This forum is composed of almost all the denominations and Lisa has shown herself to be a kind and considerate poster with all.

Of course, it remains to be seen if she can do the CF smackdown when it becomes necessary! :P

[Skripper]

The "CF smackdown" . . . I like it. LOL

I think she'd make a fine mod, btw. :)

[Lisa0315]

Oh, I am capable of a smack down. I have raised two teenagers. Honey, I am QUEEN of the smackdown.

Seriously, I can handle it. What I cannot handle, I will send for a more experienced mod or supervisor. (Whatever they are calling them these days)

I also have to deal with conflict at work. I have a couple of ladies who I have to "moderate" in person. I mean, talk about some rule breaking! One of the ladies plugged 20 million dollars in one of our reports! That is like something that could get us all fired, send our CFO and President to jail over! She insisted that it was a "mechanical error". I had to explain to her the difference between an error and deliberately misrepresenting a number and the consequences for all of us if I had not caught it before it was published.

Lisa

[Skripper]

I once used a company postage stamp, for non-company-related mail. But that was back when postage was like 21 cents. :blush:

[ContentInHim]

Oh, Skripper - you are sooooo bad! tsk tsk!

I'm cleaning out drawers, etc. this week and came across a bunch of fine-tipped pens I "borrowed" from NCR in about 1976! And they still worked! :eek: But it was a sad reminder of who I was - if it wasn't nailed down, it became mine. :(

[Lisa0315]

I once used a company postage stamp, for non-company-related mail. But that was back when postage was like 21 cents. :blush:

The worst thing that I ever did?

When I was a kid, we had a contest on Genesis in Children's Church. I turned in my test and just as I was turning it in, I saw the answer of one of the questions that I had left blank. I quickly wrote "Gopher Wood" on my paper and turned it in. (The question was What was Noah's ark built from) Anyway, I ended up winning the contest, beating the girl by exactly 1/2 point that I had cheated off. The prize was...a Bible!

The next time, I won fair and square, and the other girl came in second again. I "generously" gave her the Bible since I had won the time before. It did not make it better. It made it worse because everyone was telling me how "sweet" I was to take second prize, a bag of bubble gum.

I never told anyone what I had done until I was grown. I was so ashamed of it but never had the guts to confess it. It haunts me until this day. That is definitely the worst thing I ever did, but I will tell you one thing. It made me into the worst liar in the world. I cannot tell a lie, or cheat, or do anything underhanded. People tell me I am too honest, but I cannot help it.

Lisa