Serial Criminals - burglurs, murderers, etc.

[kobuk]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C291265%2C00.html

http://www.journalinquirer.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18630255&BRD=985&PAG=461&dept_id=161556&rfi=6

http://www.1010wins.com/pages/729285.php?contentType=4&contentId=729143

I'm venting disgust with this thread, while still maintaining an even keel. I've had enough of this violence and dangerous predation in our society. Let's talk possible solutions.

What should be done to serial criminals who are of the type who invade homes. Burglers, murderers, rapists, etc. I'm not talking about petty stuff like not paying a traffic ticket, but serious threatening behavior like physically sneaking into someone's home. That's dangerous behavior we need to put a stop to.

In my opinion we should declare a state of emergency. The criminal justice system is severely broken. As evidenced by these three article. This is just one example. There are serial criminals physically sneaking around preying on people everywhere and it's so common it's near anarchy in this country.

Here's a possible solution. Anti predator laws. Determine the greatest threats to safety and home security and neutralize them by getting those specific people out of society and off the streets. I'm not going to extend this discussion to the death penalty myself, unless others take it there. Right now i just see the main need as the creation of a rating system for all criminals and releasing the none-threatening ones (white collar criminals and minor drug offence) and replacing those type with the dangerous types. Put them in there long term based on their level of serial criminal out of control behavior.

There should be a recognition of the soveriegnty of people's homes. Invading a home should be punished automatically on the same level of attempted murder. Because of the extreme nature of what any home invasion is. Anyone convicted 3 times by a fair justice system for physically invading a home should be put in prison for life without any parole. Same for rape. Same for violent assaults. Anything extremely dangerous done by someone who has no more empathy for humanity and who has a serial predator mentality has to be dealt with. Some form of effective rehabilitation might be possible but that's a huge uncertainty. As it stands now, prisons do more to teach criminals more skilled crime tactics than they do in correcting dangerous antisocial misbehavior. Because inmates share each others knowledge of crime in the pen.

Comments?

[twistedsketch]

Why this "three strike" leniency for rape? If people don't repent and come to the Lord after the first time they did it, odds are they won't at all. I say lock em up and throw away the key after the second time, or even the first. If it's murder, execute them.

[BigNorsk]

Well I think invading someone's home is not on the same level as attempted murder.

I think any sort of 3 strikes and you are out is simplistic and has a lot of problems.

The biggest thing is enforcement. The biggest thing for the prevention of property crimes is simply knowing if you do it you will get caught. The severity of the penalty doesn't act as much of a control.

Let's say that I break into your home and I've got two convictions already. I don't think you are home, but I'm wrong, there you are. Well, if I walk away, I'm probably going to get caught and spend the rest of my life in prison. If I murder you, odds are better that I will get away with it. I don't think a system should give incentives to murder people. I see doing so or attempting to murder as a huge difference from going in a house. And I think the system should reflect that.

All we really have to do to curb a lot of it is start to actually catch people who break in on a regular basis. Simply forcing traffic in a neighborhood through a gate where nothing more is done than take a picture of the car so it becomes easier to identify suspects cuts crime way down.

Thing is we need to do that for everyone, not just a few wealthy neighborhoods.

Marv

[desmalia]

I actually heard it mentioned on the radio a few weeks ago that when a city starts cracking down on the smaller crimes, the larger crime rate drops as well.

As Christians I think the most important thing to work on is the rehab in prisons and juvie. Prisoners can and do find Christ there, but it's a ministry that many shy away from. So perhaps if churches considered this local mission field more than just sending missionaries to other countries, that could make a real difference.

I'm all for cracking down and tougher punishment for ciminals. But while it will keep the streets safer, it isn't going to do much for the ciminals themselves. Without Christ, they stand little chance of ever turning things around.

[kobuk]

From what i've gathered on the illegal immigration debates and literature on the internet from patriotic sources, there's currently an estimated minimum of at least one million rapists/molesters in the USA who are among the 30+ million invaders from Mexico and elsewhere. In addition to all the other violent crime they do and their general preying on our Nation's people to sustain their life on the run outside of where they belong in their own home country.

A huge chunk of all crime in the USA is committed by them and as a result our prisons are overflowing with them as well. Solution there could GREATLY ease the current state of first-stage anarchy here in America.

We're on the verge here of going to the next level. That's when troops have to be called in on a temporary basis to fight what local law enforcement can't deal with. Well, we could go on and on discussing the predicaments realities. What about the real solution...

I agree with desmalia that the only true turnaround possible in the hearts and minds of violent or threatening serial criminal is a saving faith in Yahshua. Increased priority among Local Churches to minister inside prisons and to released convicts is the best step to take.

On the level of Government, city, county, state and federal, if we had good people in their to represent us, we could change a lot for the better too. Right now the level of corruption in our government is very high. The mixups at parole hearings is just an other evidence of it.

I think i have an understanding of what to strive for to restore our country and bring peace. Good leadership in both our Local Churches and in our Government could set the foundation to build progress on.

[Hentenza]

From what i've gathered on the illegal immigration debates and literature on the internet from patriotic sources, there's currently an estimated minimum of at least one million rapists/molesters in the USA who are among the 30+ million invaders from Mexico and elsewhere. In addition to all the other violent crime they do and their general preying on our Nation's people to sustain their life on the run outside of where they belong in their own home country.

A huge chunk of all crime in the USA is committed by them and as a result our prisons are overflowing with them as well. Solution there could GREATLY ease the current state of first-stage anarchy here in America.

We're on the verge here of going to the next level. That's when troops have to be called in on a temporary basis to fight what local law enforcement can't deal with. Well, we could go on and on discussing the predicaments realities. What about the real solution...

I agree with desmalia that the only true turnaround possible in the hearts and minds of violent or threatening serial criminal is a saving faith in Yahshua. Increased priority among Local Churches to minister inside prisons and to released convicts is the best step to take.

On the level of Government, city, county, state and federal, if we had good people in their to represent us, we could change a lot for the better too. Right now the level of corruption in our government is very high. The mixups at parole hearings is just an other evidence of it.

I think i have an understanding of what to strive for to restore our country and bring peace. Good leadership in both our Local Churches and in our Government could set the foundation to build progress on.


I think your post reveals your lopsided opinion that illegal immigrants cause a disproportionate amount of crime. Your opinion is not quite correct. Here are some statistics from http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#inmates

Characteristics of State Prison inmates

Women were 6.6% of the State prison inmates in 2001, up from 6% in 1995.
Sixty-four percent of prison inmates belonged to racial or ethnic minorities in 2001.
An estimated 57% of inmates were under age 35 in 2001.
About 4% of State prison inmates were not U.S. citizens at yearend 2001.
About 6% of State prison inmates were held in private facilities at yearend 2001.
Altogether, an estimated 57% of inmates had a high school diploma or its equivalent.
Among the State prison inmates in 2000: -- nearly half were sentenced for a violent crime (49%)-- a fifth were sentenced for a property crime (20%)-- about a fifth were sentenced for a drug crime (21%) http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/topof.gif To the top of summary findings (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#findings)
Characteristics of jail inmates

Demographics
Women were 12% of the local jail inmates in 2002, up from 10% in 1996.
Jail inmates were older on average in 2002 than 1996: 38% were age 35 or older, up from 32% in 1996.
More than 6 in 10 persons in local jails in 2002 were racial or ethnic minorities, unchanged from 1996.
An estimated 40% were black; 19%, Hispanic, 1% American Indian; 1% Asian; and 3% of more than one race/ethnicity.As you can see only 4% of inmates where not an US citizen in 2001. So basically 96% of inmates were US citizens.
Consider that 6 in 10 inmates were racial or ethnic minorities and the issue because clearer. Check out the percentage of inmates that have a HS diploma, only 57%.
Your thoughts?