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ozell
27th July 2007, 10:45 PM
Nowadays if you speak about the Passover it's almost as if you're speaking unknown tongue. To most so-called Christians the Passover is simply a day, which the Jews observe. They don't even know that the communion they receive every month derived from this holy day.

Never the less, many of these people need to find out about the Passover, because Jesus, the one they claim to worship, is called "OUR PASSOVER" .... For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us. (I Corinthians 5:7)

If the Passover represents Jesus, then everyone that professes to believe in him should observe his holy day. Take notice that the Passover and all the other holydays written in the Bible be- long to the LORD and not to the Jews. These are the FEAST OF THE LORD, even holy (gatherings) which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. On the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORDS PASSOVER." (Leviticus 23:4-5). In this passage we see not only that the Passover belongs to the Lord but that it is to be observed once a year, not once a month as communion is held.

Why has the world gotten away from the Lord's Passover? The Bible teaches us that Satan has deceived the whole world. (Revelation 12:9). You might ask, how has Satan done this? He has cunningly replaced the Lord's Passover with communion and Easter, which the Bible does not support.

However, the Bible, clearly supports the Passover and Jesus not only celebrated it but had to die (be sacrificed) on this very day. That's right, what we have always called the 'Last Supper' was nothing more than the Passover, "Ye know that after two days is the Feast of the Passover. and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified." (Matthew 26:2)

Maybe you thought that Jesus was called The Lamb of God, just to add to his many titles. No, Jesus is the true sin offering. The Lamb that Moses and all of Israel killed on that first and every subsequent
Passover evening, represented Jesus, read Exodus 12.1-14.

This is what the Passover is all about Just as Israel had to put the blood of that physical lamb over their houses to be spared (Passed-Over) in Egypt, we must come under the blood of that spiritual lamb (Jesus) to be spared today.

Notice what Peter said in I Peter 1: 18-19; "For as much as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things... but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and Without spot."
By now you should realize that the Passover is a memorial of the death of Jesus, which was instituted long before he came.

This day is supposed to be celebrated once a year on a set day, forever. Jesus did not say do it often (every last or first Sunday) buy he said as often as you do it (once a year), do it in remembrance of me. (I Corinthians 11:24-25)

Now the people understood why they had been keeping the Passover and were to continue to keep this Holy Day, in honor of Jesus our Passover.

Knowing that Jesus told us to continue to observe his Passover let us see how long we are to do so. "And this day shall be unto you for a MEMORIAL: and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations: Ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever" Exodus 12:14.

Tavita
28th July 2007, 12:14 AM
It's very true that Jesus is our Passover and that our communion service comes from this Feast. However, as far as 'keeping' the Feast of Passover as a Holy Day as the Israelites did, then we would need to keep every Feast, not just Passover. All the Feasts are prophetic in nature and point towards some aspect of our Lord and of our walk in Him.

To keep all the Feasts would mean we had to keep ALL the Law. The Feasts were part of Moses sacrificial Law and we know the sacrificial part of the Law is gone finding it's fulfillment in Christ with a change in Law and the bringing in of the New Covenant.

All the Feasts were to be done in the place God had put His Name and all sacrifices and offerings were to be made to God who was present in the Ark wherever the Ark went.

When God gave the Laws about keeping the Feasts He told them to come to the place where He had placed His Name. The keeping of the Feasts HAD to be done where He placed His Name (wherever the Ark was). At one time He placed His Name in Shiloh, then He placed His Name in the Temple in Jerusalem. When Christ was resurrected and the Temple was destroyed in 73AD God was finally able to place His Name, IN His people. WE are His Temple now, the place He has put His name. So, to keep the Feast of Passover now is to accept the sacrifice of Jesus and apply His blood to the lintels and doorposts of our hearts. Christ has fulfilled the Feast and is now IN us. This is what Paul was talking about when he said 'to keep the Feast... purging the sin by the blood of Jesus shed for us.


1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Exo 20:24 You shall make an altar of earth to Me, and shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In all places where I record My name I will come to you, and I will bless you.

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

ozell
28th July 2007, 08:46 PM
[quote=Tavita;37128855]It's very true that Jesus is our Passover and that our communion service comes from this Feast. However, as far as 'keeping' the Feast of Passover as a Holy Day as the Israelites did, then we would need to keep every Feast, not just Passover. All the Feasts are prophetic in nature and point towards some aspect of our Lord and of our walk in Him.


You said all feast points to some aspect of our Lord and our walk and we need to keep every feast. you are correct. It points to God's coming

To keep all the Feasts would mean we had to keep ALL the Law. The Feasts were part of Moses sacrificial Law and we know the sacrificial part of the Law is gone finding it's fulfillment in Christ with a change in Law and the bringing in of the New Covenant.

NO!:)

It means you keep all the feast and the animal sacrifice and the ordinances that came with animal sacrifice you don't keep.

animal sacrifice is the law that was abolished

All the Feasts were to be done in the place God had put His Name and all sacrifices and offerings were to be made to God who was present in the Ark wherever the Ark went.

and God scatterd the Israelite's into all nations under
the sun. His name is with those wherever they are obeying and believing.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

When God gave the Laws about keeping the Feasts He told them to come to the place where He had placed His Name. The keeping of the Feasts HAD to be done where He placed His Name (wherever the Ark was). At one time He placed His Name in Shiloh, then He placed His Name in the Temple in Jerusalem. When Christ was resurrected and the Temple was destroyed in 73AD God was finally able to place His Name, IN His people. WE are His Temple now, the place He has put His name. So, to keep the Feast of Passover now is to accept the sacrifice of Jesus and apply His blood to the lintels and doorposts of our hearts. Christ has fulfilled the Feast and is now IN us. This is what Paul was talking about when he said 'to keep the Feast... purging the sin by the blood of Jesus shed for us.



1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Exo 20:24 You shall make an altar of earth to Me, and shall sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and your peace offerings, your sheep and your oxen. In all places where I record My name I will come to you, and I will bless you.

1Co 3:16 Do you not know that you are a temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?


John said

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jesus is the sacrifice, he replaced the animal

and Paul told us which you already qouted

Keep the feast!!


1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

don't forget these words in Leviticus 23

1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
4: These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

14: And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.


Forever
Your generations
in all your dwellings

ozell
28th July 2007, 09:16 PM
The Feast of Unleavened Bread, which was formally introduced to the children of Israel upon their departure from Egypt, was rooted in a message from God going back to the beginning of time. That message, which was given to Adam, is simply “eating the wrong stuff will kill you”. (Here we are speaking about spiritual eating, however God does have a physical dietary law, which is important as well.) And no we are not talking about eating an apple.

We are commanded by God to abstain from leavening and to eat unleavened bread for seven days every spring, at the beginning of God’s year cycle (immediately after the Passover…Exodus 12:13-15). God is not a vain God and he is not in the business of just giving us something to do to pass time. Therefore, we should realize that this observance has great significance, even as it pertains to our salvation.

By observing this feast we acknowledge our abstinence from sinful ways (leavening) and show our commitment to true worship (unleavened) of the one God. We all must reach this crossroad in our life, just as Israel reached it, after leaving Egypt. They immediately ate only unleavened bread (Exodus 12:39) signifying the beginning of their new walk with God. Notice that this observance came on the heels of Israel’s redemption by the blood of the Passover lamb

Well, Jesus is the Passover lamb and he died on this very day (the Passover….Matthew 26:1,2). Either this was quite a coincidence or God is revealing his perfect plan to us. After we come under the blood of Jesus, by baptism, we must be committed to walking with him in truth (unleavened bread), leaving behind all falsehood (leavening). Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth” (I Corinthians 5:7,8). Oh’ what a wonderful God we serve, who after he redeems us, tells us how the redeemed must walk to get life. Praise God!

Many people believe that this feast along with God’s other Holy Days have been done away with. Why would God do away with his Perfect plan? Only Satan would promote such teaching, as he did with Adam and Eve after God had given them specific instructions. Many attempt to make this commandment too hard to fulfill, but how hard is it to change the bread you eat for one week? If we can buy a tree, haul it home, set it up and decorate it, which God never commanded, surely we can keep this feast, which he did command.

The Apostle Paul and other Apostles didn’t do away with the Lord’s feasts. To the contrary, they knew the importance of these days and continued to observe them, even after Jesus was resurrected. Paul said, “...I must by all means keep this feast...” (Acts 18:21) and it is also written, “And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread...” (Acts 20:6). Obviously Paul understood what a lot of people don’t understand today, and that is The Feast of Unleavened Bread is to be observed “by an ordinance forever” (Exodus 12:17).

This observance is so important to God; he issued it with the death penalty if ignored. “...for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel” (Exodus 12:15). Many people who choose to ignore this feast should reexamine their teaching. Unfortunately, the majority of people (many are called but few are chosen) have not learned that there’s only one true way to worship God. We leave you with the same warning Jesus gave to his Apostles, “...Take heed and beware of the leaven (doctrine) of the Pharisees and Sadducees” (Matthew 16:6,12). Observing this great feast is a sign that you are worshipping the true God correctly. Praise God!

Tavita
28th July 2007, 09:25 PM
[quote]


You said all feast points to some aspect of our Lord and our walk and we need to keep every feast. you are correct. It points to God's coming



NO!:)

It means you keep all the feast and the animal sacrifice and the ordinances that came with animal sacrifice you don't keep.

animal sacrifice is the law that was abolished



and God scatterd the Israelite's into all nations under
the sun. His name is with those wherever they are obeying and believing.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.





John said

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Jesus is the sacrifice, he replaced the animal

and Paul told us which you already qouted

Keep the feast!!


1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For also Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us.
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast; not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

don't forget these words in Leviticus 23

1: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2: Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
4: These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

14: And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.


Forever
Your generations
in all your dwellings I guess it depends on what the Hebrews meant by 'forever' and 'perpetual'. Both of these words are the Hebrew 'olam'.

Here is a description of the word 'olam', from the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon..

Eternity (olam) http://ahlb.ancient-hebrew.org/files/studies_eternity.gif "In the ancient Hebrew words that are used to described distance and direction are also used to describe time. The Hebrew word for east is qedem and literally means "the direction of the rising sun". We use north as our major orientation such as in maps which are always oriented to the north. While we use the north as our major direction the Hebrews used the east and all directions are oriented to this direction. For example one of the words for south is teyman from the root yaman meaning "to the right". The word qedem is also the word for the past. In the ancient Hebrew mind the past is in front of you while the future is behind you, the opposite way we think of the past and future. The Hebrew word olam means in the far distance. When looking off in the far distance it is difficult to make out any details and what is beyond that horizon cannot be seen. This concept is the olam. The word olam is also used for time for the distant past or the distant future as a time that is difficult to know or perceive. This word is frequently translated as eternity or forever but in the English language it is misunderstood to mean a continual span of time that never ends. In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time. A common phrase in the Hebrew is "l'olam va'ed" and is usually translated as "forever and ever" but in the Hebrew it means "to the distant horizon and again" meaning "a very distant time and even further" and is used to express the idea of a very ancient or future time."


So, even though the Hebrew scriptures say we are to keep the Feasts forever, or perpetually (in English), the meaning is different in ancient Eastern thought.

But I do agree that we are to keep the feasts, but in a different sense to when they were done in the OT. They are to be kept in a spiritual sense, internally, not externally. Though I guess there's nothing wrong with doing the Feasts as a teaching tool, but not however because we think they have to be kept as a ritual, the same as Easter and Lent and Christmas and all those other Days of ritual (and I don't agree with them either). :)

ozell
29th July 2007, 09:12 AM
So, even though the Hebrew scriptures say we are to keep the Feasts forever, or perpetually (in English), the meaning is different in ancient Eastern thought.

But I do agree that we are to keep the feasts, but in a different sense to when they were done in the OT. They are to be kept in a spiritual sense, internally, not externally. Though I guess there's nothing wrong with doing the Feasts as a teaching tool, but not however because we think they have to be kept as a ritual, the same as Easter and Lent and Christmas and all those other Days of ritual (and I don't agree with them either).


I understand what you are saying, but we must look at the bible for direction and here is why I say this.

Do it seem strange to you that Paul and the Apostles kept the feast day long after Jesus death and resurrection.

look what is taking place in the below verses Paul literaly kept the feast after Jesus death. keep in mind Paul was retuaght by a Holy angel after his conversion.

He knew the true word of God by this time.

Acts 18:18 And Paul after this tarried there yet a good while, and then took his leave of the brethren, and sailed thence into Syria, and with him Priscilla and Aquila; having shorn his head in Cenchrea: for he had a vow.
19: And he came to Ephesus, and left them there: but he himself entered into the synagogue, and reasoned with the Jews.
20: When they desired him to tarry longer time with them, he consented not;
21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus

Acts 20:16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

1Cor 16:8 But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

These feast days has a end time message in them.

as far as the hebrew words go I don't speak hebrew or greek so there meaning mean nothing to me.

I speak english I read english, I know this God Jesus will put his word in all languages. It is written that the Lord will speak to his people. He scattered Israel into all nations under the sun. Jesus has to put his word into all languages under the sun

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.


Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God

every tongue that confess God do not speak hebrew of greek. The language they speak is good enough for God.
besides he created the languages.

Gen11v1: And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
6: And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
7: Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.
8: So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9: Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

ozell
29th July 2007, 09:32 AM
I skipped intentionally to the trumpets
most christians can Identify with the trumptes because of Paul and Revelation


The Memorial of the Blowing of the Trumpets, is another high Sabbath day of God, that goes unnoticed by the so-called Christian world.

As a matter of fact most would be Christians have never heard of trumpets in reference to God, except for the old cliché', "when Gabriel blows his horn." Well, Gabriel won't be blowing a horn because he is the messenger.

(See Luke 1:26-36 & Daniel 8:16-19) but the Bible lets us know that seven angels will blow seven trumpets. (Revelation 8:6)

Some have heard the story of how, in the days of Joshua, seven priests blew seven trumpets on the seventh day after compass- ing the city of Jericho seven times. Of course, the wall of the city fell down.

(See Joshua 6:1-20), nevertheless, no one has realized the significance that this holds for the future, therefore, the commandment of the Lord has gone unnoticed. "...In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbath, a memorial of Blowing of Trumpets, an holy convocation. (Leviticus 23:24)

Why does the Lord want us to remember the blowing of the trumpets? Well, aside from recreation, trumpets are blown for two reasons.

One reason is to announce the come of a king. (Exodus 19:16-20) and the second is to prepare troops for battle (I Corinthians 14:8). Most of us are familiar with the American battle cry followed by the shout "CHARGE."

The Lord wants us to be mindful that he, The King of Kings, will one day come to the earth and that he will gather the armies to battle (Armageddon).

Will a trumpet really sound when Jesus returns? Almost everytime we read about the second coming of Jesus we also read about the great trumpet sounding.

In Matthew 24:30-31 we read..."And they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet..."

Again in I Thessalonians 4:16 Paul says, "for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God..."

This latter verse lets us know that not only will the trumpet sound but there will also be a great shout when Jesus returns, just as it was in days of Joshua. "So the people shouted when the priest blew with the trumpets.."(Joshua 6:20)

This celebration of the trumpets points directly to the second coming of Jesus. Many have said that Jesus can come any day but the truth is he cannot return until the last angel blows his trumpet.

Not only that but the resurrection of the dead hinges on the sound of this great trumpet. The apostle Paul clarifies this saying, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (I Corinthians 15:52)

Now, if we believe in all these things as we should, we ought to celebrate the day that is a memorial of them. The same way people believe that Jesus was born on December 25th (but he wasn't) and celebrate Christmas.

As you have seen from this article, The Memorial of the Trumpets is a holy day backed by the Bible but Christmas is not.

We in these last days have turned away from the Word of God and are turned to fables just as Paul warned in 2nd Timothy 4:4.

Therefore, the Lord will not be pleased when he returns but, "...he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth." (Jeremiah 25:30)

It will be just as the days of the old, when the people gave a shout and the walls of Jericho fell but this time all the nations of the earth shall fall. (Read Revelation 16:19) Yes, things will be identical, only this time on a larger scale, when this Holy day is fulfilled.

The apostle John saw this and wrote in Revelation 11:15. "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The Kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Now, that you have heard the trumpets, Shouldn't you observe this holy day, because as you see, this day won't go unnoticed forever.

RefrusRevlis
29th July 2007, 05:02 PM
This day is supposed to be celebrated once a year on a set day, forever. Jesus did not say do it often (every last or first Sunday) buy he said as often as you do it (once a year), do it in remembrance of me. (I Corinthians 11:24-25)

The Lord's supper (communion, breaking of bread is to be celebrated every week- on the first day) Acts 20:7. The first century Christians did it in this manner.

The passover of the OT was a shadow of the sacrifice of Christ. It does not follow that his memorial must be done in the same manner as the passover in the OT, we need to see what the first century Christians did. Sure Paul was a Jew and for the sake of the Gospel and to 'become all things to all men" (1 Cor 9:20-23) engaged in Jewish (OT) acts of worship. This does not demonstrate however, that the Passover continue into the New Covenant as something necessary for God's people to observe. I will have more to say (on owlam) later, Lord willing.

Refrus

Tavita
29th July 2007, 06:37 PM
The Lord's supper (communion, breaking of bread is to be celebrated every week- on the first day) Acts 20:7. The first century Christians did it in this manner.

Yes, and also Jesus said 'whenever you do this', which could be any old time, not just on Sundays, or once a year.


The passover of the OT was a shadow of the sacrifice of Christ. It does not follow that his memorial must be done in the same manner as the passover in the OT, we need to see what the first century Christians did. Sure Paul was a Jew and for the sake of the Gospel and to 'become all things to all men" (1 Cor 9:20-23) engaged in Jewish (OT) acts of worship. This does not demonstrate however, that the Passover continue into the New Covenant as something necessary for God's people to observe. I will have more to say (on owlam) later, Lord willing.

Looking forward to more on 'owlam'.

Tavita
29th July 2007, 06:40 PM
I skipped intentionally to the trumpets
most christians can Identify with the trumptes because of Paul and Revelation


The Memorial of the Blowing of the Trumpets, is another high Sabbath day of God, that goes unnoticed by the so-called Christian world.

As a matter of fact most would be Christians have never heard of trumpets in reference to God, except for the old cliché', "when Gabriel blows his horn." Well, Gabriel won't be blowing a horn because he is the messenger.

(See Luke 1:26-36 & Daniel 8:16-19) but the Bible lets us know that seven angels will blow seven trumpets. (Revelation 8:6)

Some have heard the story of how, in the days of Joshua, seven priests blew seven trumpets on the seventh day after compass- ing the city of Jericho seven times. Of course, the wall of the city fell down.

(See Joshua 6:1-20), nevertheless, no one has realized the significance that this holds for the future, therefore, the commandment of the Lord has gone unnoticed. "...In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbath, a memorial of Blowing of Trumpets, an holy convocation. (Leviticus 23:24)

Why does the Lord want us to remember the blowing of the trumpets? Well, aside from recreation, trumpets are blown for two reasons.

One reason is to announce the come of a king. (Exodus 19:16-20) and the second is to prepare troops for battle (I Corinthians 14:8). Most of us are familiar with the American battle cry followed by the shout "CHARGE."

The Lord wants us to be mindful that he, The King of Kings, will one day come to the earth and that he will gather the armies to battle (Armageddon).

Will a trumpet really sound when Jesus returns? Almost everytime we read about the second coming of Jesus we also read about the great trumpet sounding.

In Matthew 24:30-31 we read..."And they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, and he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet..."

Again in I Thessalonians 4:16 Paul says, "for the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God..."

This latter verse lets us know that not only will the trumpet sound but there will also be a great shout when Jesus returns, just as it was in days of Joshua. "So the people shouted when the priest blew with the trumpets.."(Joshua 6:20)

This celebration of the trumpets points directly to the second coming of Jesus. Many have said that Jesus can come any day but the truth is he cannot return until the last angel blows his trumpet.

Not only that but the resurrection of the dead hinges on the sound of this great trumpet. The apostle Paul clarifies this saying, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (I Corinthians 15:52)

Now, if we believe in all these things as we should, we ought to celebrate the day that is a memorial of them. The same way people believe that Jesus was born on December 25th (but he wasn't) and celebrate Christmas.

As you have seen from this article, The Memorial of the Trumpets is a holy day backed by the Bible but Christmas is not.

We in these last days have turned away from the Word of God and are turned to fables just as Paul warned in 2nd Timothy 4:4.

Therefore, the Lord will not be pleased when he returns but, "...he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth." (Jeremiah 25:30)

It will be just as the days of the old, when the people gave a shout and the walls of Jericho fell but this time all the nations of the earth shall fall. (Read Revelation 16:19) Yes, things will be identical, only this time on a larger scale, when this Holy day is fulfilled.

The apostle John saw this and wrote in Revelation 11:15. "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The Kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Now, that you have heard the trumpets, Shouldn't you observe this holy day, because as you see, this day won't go unnoticed forever.



I know you realize that not all christians ignore the Feasts of the Lord, the teachings and laws of the Old Testament, and how prophetic the OT is, so I'd like to offer the teachings of Dr Stephen Jones at this site...

http://www.gods-kingdom.org

His is a ministry of teaching the church the true meaning and prophetic nature of the Laws and Feasts of the OT, and what they mean to us in these end of days.

JolieHeart
29th July 2007, 08:03 PM
This has been a very informative thread. Thank you all for your thoughts on this issue. :)

ozell
30th July 2007, 08:49 AM
The Lord's supper (communion, breaking of bread is to be celebrated every week- on the first day) Acts 20:7. The first century Christians did it in this manner.

The passover of the OT was a shadow of the sacrifice of Christ. It does not follow that his memorial must be done in the same manner as the passover in the OT, we need to see what the first century Christians did. Sure Paul was a Jew and for the sake of the Gospel and to 'become all things to all men" (1 Cor 9:20-23) engaged in Jewish (OT) acts of worship. This does not demonstrate however, that the Passover continue into the New Covenant as something necessary for God's people to observe. I will have more to say (on owlam) later, Lord willing.

Refrus


The Passover is done in its season, a season is once a year.

Num 9:2 Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.

Num 9:3 In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.

the only thing not done is the animal sacrifice.

Paul kept the passover, long after Jesus death and resurrrection, the apostles kept the passover and feast days, they are the one's who taught the early christians. The early christians were taught by Israelites.

Tavita
30th July 2007, 09:46 AM
The Passover is done in its season, a season is once a year.

Num 9:2 Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at his appointed season.

Num 9:3 In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in his appointed season: according to all the rites of it, and according to all the ceremonies thereof, shall ye keep it.

the only thing not done is the animal sacrifice.

Paul kept the passover, long after Jesus death and resurrrection, the apostles kept the passover and feast days, they are the one's who taught the early christians. The early christians were taught by Israelites.


ozell, if it's so important for you to 'keep' the Feasts, 'in their season', then are you keeping the rest of the sacrificial laws? The Feasts are part of the sacrificial Laws, and you can't dissect the Feasts away from sacrifice. You can't just pick and choose. Even the Rabbi's will tell you that not doing one small part of the Law means the whole Law has been broken and the whole Law 'crumbles'.

We do note that in Acts the Apostles went back to Jerusalem for the Feasts, but does it actually show them 'keeping' the Feasts on an individual level? Have you thought that they may have gone back to Jerusalem at the time of the Feasts knowing nearly all of Israel was there, to preach? It was a great opportunity to preach the gospel.

ozell, I use to keep the Feasts too, and study Torah, and do as much Jewish as I knew how, but the Lord showed me how all of that is 'flesh' and He wants us to worship and do all in 'Spirit'. And as I showed you before, you can't do the Feasts in any PLACE anymore (God's Name is not there), because YOU are the Temple of God now and His Name is in YOU.

How can you offer sacrifices to God in YOU? There are many ways, all declared in scripture.

ozell
30th July 2007, 11:00 AM
ozell, if it's so important for you to 'keep' the Feasts, 'in their season', then are you keeping the rest of the sacrificial laws? The Feasts are part of the sacrificial Laws, and you can't dissect the Feasts away from sacrifice. You can't just pick and choose. Even the Rabbi's will tell you that not doing one small part of the Law means the whole Law has been broken and the whole Law 'crumbles'.

We do note that in Acts the Apostles went back to Jerusalem for the Feasts, but does it actually show them 'keeping' the Feasts on an individual level? Have you thought that they may have gone back to Jerusalem at the time of the Feasts knowing nearly all of Israel was there, to preach? It was a great opportunity to preach the gospel.

ozell, I use to keep the Feasts too, and study Torah, and do as much Jewish as I knew how, but the Lord showed me how all of that is 'flesh' and He wants us to worship and do all in 'Spirit'. And as I showed you before, you can't do the Feasts in any PLACE anymore (God's Name is not there), because YOU are the Temple of God now and His Name is in YOU.

How can you offer sacrifices to God in YOU? There are many ways, all declared in scripture.


are you aware that the feast can be kept without a priest.

are you aware that animal sacrifices cannot be kept with out a priest.


do you know when Jesus came to Abraham as Melchizedek the High Preist, he came with bread and wine the order of the Passover.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.


When Jesus took the high priest back from Levi he went back to his old practice of bread and the wine

Matt14v22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
23: And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
24: And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
25: Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

The Passover is not new it is very old, Abraham partook of the passover.

Jesus who is Melchizedek is the one who instituted the passover. without a animal being sacrificed

Paul explains this in Hebrews 5 and 6

Tavita
30th July 2007, 02:41 PM
are you aware that the feast can be kept without a priest.

Can you show me from scripture?

do you know when Jesus came to Abraham as Melchizedek the High Preist, he came with bread and wine the order of the Passover.

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.


When Jesus took the high priest back from Levi he went back to his old practice of bread and the wine

Matt14v22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
23: And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
24: And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
25: Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

The Passover is not new it is very old, Abraham partook of the passover.

Jesus who is Melchizedek is the one who instituted the passover. without a animal being sacrificed

Paul explains this in Hebrews 5 and 6

Jesus did for sure institute the Passover with a sacrifice! You cannot have Passover without the shedding of pure innocent blood. He was the one sacrificed as the Lamb. Whether this was done with or without a priest, then one still had to sacrifice a lamb and apply it to the doorposts and lintels of the house/heart. Sacrifices were done for 'cleansing', His blood was spilled for the cleansing of sin. This has been prophesied and typed and shadowed since Adam. Jesus didn't become Melchizedek again until he was raised from the dead. . THEN when He rose, the priesthood was changed from the Aaronic to the Melchizedek. NOW we remember His Passover sacrifice in the bread and wine of communion.

ozell, are you a Judahite, Benjaminite, or Levite by blood? If so, you are Messianic? If not, are you a Gentile believer involved with the Messianic movement or with the Hebrew Roots movement?

ozell
31st July 2007, 08:20 AM
Can you show me from scripture?

[QUOTE] Jesus did for sure institute the Passover with a sacrifice! yes!

His body, his blood. This plan was laid out before the world was created

Heb9v25: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26: For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


You cannot have Passover without the shedding of pure innocent blood. He was the one sacrificed as the Lamb.

Yes you can.

Jesus was the sacrifice his blood was shed for the remission of sin. No more animals

Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jesus said as often we do this, do it in remembrance of him,(a memorial in its season)

1Cor 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Now go back up as look what Paul wrote in verse 28.
Jesus was offered ONCE to bear the sins of many. He will not come and die again. he is the sacrifice.


Whether this was done with or without a priest, then one still had to sacrifice a lamb and apply it to the doorposts and lintels of the house/heart.

How can this be when Jesus died the veil rent from top to bottom? What was the purpose of the veil? why did it rent when Jesus died?

Mt 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Look what Paul said here

Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

Animal sacrifice did not help in the past it will not help now. Jesus had to come.

when Jesus met abraham he came with the bread and the wine. no sacrifices invovled.

Sacrifices were done for 'cleansing', His blood was spilled for the cleansing of sin. This has been prophesied and typed and shadowed since Adam. Jesus didn't become Melchizedek again until he was raised from the dead. . THEN when He rose, the priesthood was changed from the Aaronic to the Melchizedek.

Correct! sacriifces had other functions also.

NOW we remember His Passover sacrifice in the bread and wine of communion.

Yes we do in its seasons, with bread and wine. not communion, it not called that, The correct term that the bible uses is Passover. Jesus said as often you do it do it in remembrance of him.

Jesus went back to the custom he had in place. bread and the wine.

ozell, are you a Judahite, Benjaminite, or Levite by blood? If so, you are Messianic? If not, are you a Gentile believer involved with the Messianic movement or with the Hebrew Roots movement?

I'm not a Gentile from their father Japheth
I'm not a Hamite from their father Ham
I am from the family of Shem
I am Hebrew but not Arab

I am not messianic, that's not a biblical term

I do believe in Jesus return and Jesus setting up hs kingdom on earth and Jesus reining for 1000 years on the earth.