Prophecies

[WarriorAngel]

Seems like there are tons of them.....some are downright disturbing...



(http://watch.pair.com/UR.html)



THE UNITED RELIGIONS“Alice Bailey, Foundress of the Lucifer Trust, the Theosophical and Satanist organization which lies behind UNESCO, predicted in 1919 the appearance of ‘a Universal Church’ of which ‘the definitive outline will appear toward the end of the century’ and which shall keep ‘the outward appearance amid the mission to strike out at the many vehicles of colloquial ecclesiastical usage.’...


“‘There will not be any dissociation between the Universal Church, the Sacred Lodge of all true Masons and the inner circles of the esoteric societies... In this way, the goals and work of the United Nations shall be solidified and a new Church of God, led by all the religions and by all of the spiritual groups, shall put an end to the great heresy of separateness.’ 1. (http://watch.pair.com/UR.html#1)


:o

[Albion]

Seems like there are tons of them.....some are downright disturbing...








THE UNITED RELIGIONS“Alice Bailey, Foundress of the Lucifer Trust, the Theosophical and Satanist organization which lies behind UNESCO, predicted in 1919 the appearance of ‘a Universal Church’ of which ‘the definitive outline will appear toward the end of the century’ and which shall keep ‘the outward appearance amid the mission to strike out at the many vehicles of colloquial ecclesiastical usage.’...


“‘There will not be any dissociation between the Universal Church, the Sacred Lodge of all true Masons and the inner circles of the esoteric societies... In this way, the goals and work of the United Nations shall be solidified and a new Church of God, led by all the religions and by all of the spiritual groups, shall put an end to the great heresy of separateness.’ 1. (http://watch.pair.com/UR.html#1)

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To me this is nothing but a guess and a hope. It's partially come to pass but part of it has failed to develop as Bailey forecast.

Anyway, I'd call it a prediction rather than a prophesy.

[Secundulus]

The Prophecy of St Malachy is interesting but too long to post here.

It is a specifically Roman Catholic prophecy: http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Not sure whether I believe it or not.

[Simon_Templar]

I have a tendancy to believe St Malachy, but then again, I've been wrong before.. once or twice ;)

As for the theosophist prediction at the beginning, what I find more interesting is the historical background of theosophy and its related groups and how they have played into the formation of the ideas of important world leaders etc.

[Jerrell]

There are plenty of Cults, and people who claim "wisdom" greater and beyond than Jesus.

[a_ntv]

The Prophecy of St Malachy is interesting but too long to post here.

It is a specifically Roman Catholic prophecy: http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Not sure whether I believe it or not.

I've repeated hundred of times on CF that this prophecy is NOT held by the Catholic Church, who condamns any prophecy, out from the Scriptures, that try foreseen the future.

To believe to the St Malachy prophecy is indeed a sin agiant the first comandament (a part form the historical fact the St Malachy never wrote such a poison text)

[Secundulus]

I've repeated hundred of times on CF that this prophecy is NOT held by the Catholic Church, who condamns any prophecy, out from the Scriptures, that try foreseen the future.

To believe to the St Malachy prophecy is indeed a sin agiant the first comandament (a part form the historical fact the St Malachy never wrote such a poison text)

Some protestants use this text to argue that the last Pope is the anti-christ. Even if I were to be convinced that the prophesy is true, I do not agree with their interpretation.

An unbiased reading of the text says the last Pope will be a great defender of the Church against unholy opposition.

Whether it is true or not, I don't know. But there certainly is a great deal of unholy opposition to the Church and to Christianity in general today.

That's why my greatest wish is that we could all find a way to put aside differences and again reunite as one Church; to speak with one voice.

[Simon_Templar]

those who try to use the prophecy of St Malachy to argue that the pope is the anti-christ are grasping at straws.

the prophecy says no such thing. There is nothing in the prophecy which suggests that the last pope will be evil. In fact, when I read it, it suggests to me that he will be a noble figure who feeds the Lord's sheep and shepards them in the midst of great persecution.

[Secundulus]

For anyone interested in prophesy, this site, and the links it contains, is very interesting.

http://beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

Although I didn't get my views from there, it reflects my belief pretty accurately. This is not the false pre-dispensational interpretation common today. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with the laughable theory of the Catholic Church being the Beast. That honor falls to that ancient religion that has been denying Christ, distorting the Gospel, and killing the Saints from its inception, Islam.

I may be in the minority here, but I believe the Revelation lays out what what is to come from the time of its writing. It is largely fulfilled, but not completely.

[WarriorAngel]

a_ntv, I never heard that the Church condemned the use of St Malachi's predictions.

My own priest was saying in the semenary they were all afraid to take or have someone take the name of Peter ...
Because the last Pope will be Peter.

Which is not strictly saying they shall name themselves Peter...but any number of things could be 'related'. WE do not often understand until after the election.

ANd the last Pope will not be the anti christ...but he will be the last because the days will be at their last.

I wonder what part of Peter he will reincarnate?
Maybe he will the age Peter was...or look like him, or be humbled, or have to deal most extensively with the Jewish...

Or he might come from the Middle East...or be born where Peter died.

Interesting how minut the detail is when a Pope arrives.

Being he will be like Peter in some way, it seems he will be so Pro Christ... :thumbsup:

[Secundulus]

I wonder what part of Peter he will reincarnate?
Maybe he will the age Peter was...or look like him, or be humbled, or have to deal most extensively with the Jewish...

Or he might come from the Middle East...or be born where Peter died.

Interesting how minut the detail is when a Pope arrives.

Being he will be like Peter in some way, it seems he will be so Pro Christ... :thumbsup:

With the way things are looking right now, what he may duplicate from the original Apostle Peter is becoming a martyr.

[WarriorAngel]

With the way things are looking right now, what he may duplicate from the original Apostle Peter is becoming a martyr.

Could be....:eek: :crossrc:

[a_ntv]

a_ntv, I never heard that the Church condemned the use of St Malachi's predictions.

The Catholic Church condamns ANY prophecy out from the Scripture.
That because the future is known only by the the Father. To try to know the future is a sin against the first comandament.

a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. CCC 2115

All forms of divination are to be rejected: ...Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, .... They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone. CCC 2116

And the Catholic Church believe that the Revelation has been completed at the death of the last of the 12 Apostoles.

After that there an be only explanations of the relavalation, or maybe private revlation, that bein g private cannot deal with general facts as the next pope.

The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ." Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries. CCC 66

[WarriorAngel]

For anyone interested in prophesy, this site, and the links it contains, is very interesting.

http://beholdthebeast.com/mathematical_precision_of_prophecy.htm

Although I didn't get my views from there, it reflects my belief pretty accurately. This is not the false pre-dispensational interpretation common today. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with the laughable theory of the Catholic Church being the Beast. That honor falls to that ancient religion that has been denying Christ, distorting the Gospel, and killing the Saints from its inception, Islam.

I may be in the minority here, but I believe the Revelation lays out what what is to come from the time of its writing. It is largely fulfilled, but not completely.

Well, I believe the anti christ is Islam.... For sure.
I also believe that the UN is the beast with several heads. The kings without a kingdom.
I believe the WoB is a secular government.

I am rather tired of hearing the CC is the WoB. :doh:OR the anti christ...or the beast...etc.



The Catholic Church condamns ANY prophecy out from the Scripture.
That because the future is known only by the the Father. To try to know the future is a sin against the first comandament.

a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. CCC 2115

All forms of divination are to be rejected: ...Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, .... They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone. CCC 2116

And the Catholic Church believe that the Revelation has been completed at the death of the last of the 12 Apostoles.

After that there an be only explanations of the relavalation, or maybe private revlation, that bein g private cannot deal with general facts as the next pope.

The Christian economy, therefore, since it is the new and definitive Covenant, will never pass away; and no new public revelation is to be expected before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ." Yet even if Revelation is already complete, it has not been made completely explicit; it remains for Christian faith gradually to grasp its full significance over the course of the centuries. CCC 66

St Malachy was not divining those prophecies.
It is said he went into a trance of sorts and was given these prophecies. He was a pious Monk. That I was told....hence the name Saint Malachy.

No where in the Church nor Bible does it say a Prophecy is no longer acceptable.
Here is the scriptures mark of a genuine Prophecy...

Deuteronomy 18 (http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=5&ch=18&l=18&f=s#x)
18 I will raise them up a [U]prophet out of the midst of their brethren like to thee: and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him.
19 And he that will not hear his words, which he shall speak in my name, I will be the revenger. {*NOTE-False prophets} 20 But the prophet, who being corrupted with pride, shall speak in my name things that I did not command him to say, or in the name of strange gods, shall be slain.
21 And if in silent thought thou answer: How shall I know the word that the Lord hath not spoken? 22 Thou shalt have this sign: Whatsoever that same prophet foretelleth in the name of the Lord, and it cometh not to pass: that thing the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath forged it by the pride of his mind: and therefore thou shalt not fear him.





The Church does not condemn prophecies either.

They are not considered deposits of the faith and are not considered PUBLIC revelation [such as The Bible] which was closed after the Apostles, but we may believe in private revelations, such as Fatima, Malachy, Lourdes...etc.
No one is forced to believe them. But may do so with the approval of the Church that they were found to be authentic to the faith.

[WarriorAngel]

St Malachy's Papal list (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1025395/posts)

Look for the list part way down...and see how they were unfolded. Interesting really.

[a_ntv]

The Church does not condemn prophecies either.

They are not considered deposits of the faith and are not considered PUBLIC revelation [such as The Bible] which was closed after the Apostles, but we may believe in private revelations, such as Fatima, Malachy, Lourdes...etc.
No one is forced to believe them. But may do so with the approval of the Church that they were found to be authentic to the faith.

Again: to foreseen the future is a sin. Full stop.

Please quote some Vatican documents that praise the 'st malachy prophecy': there are not.

[Jerrell]

No one will really know until it all comes to pass. Much of what we do is based on speculation and theory- when realted to prophecy.

[WarriorAngel]

Visions are prophecies and are not condemned.


I think you are talking about divinations. Divining the future by other means that are not from God.

[WarriorAngel]

Famous Mystics in the Church since second century (http://www.circleofprayer.com/mystics.html)

[WarriorAngel]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:


[67] "Throughout the ages, there have been so-called "private" revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

The New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia on Private Revelations (http://www.circleofprayer.com/private-revelations.html#) states there are two kinds of revelations:

(1) universal revelations, which are contained in the Bible or in the depositum of Apostolic tradition transmitted by the Church. These ended with the preaching of the Apostles and must be believed by all; (2) particular or private revelations which are constantly occurring among Christians. When the Church approves private revelations, she declares only that there is nothing in them contrary faith or good morals, and that they may be read without danger or even with profit; no obligation is thereby imposed on the faithful to believe them.

[Jerrell]

I dont mean to discreadit any Interpretation of Prophecy but the Jews had the Scripture for 4,000 years and they still didn't realise that Jesus was the Messiah even though he fulfilled everything required in the law, prophets, and psalms...The same can be said of us Christians.

[WarriorAngel]

I dont mean to discreadit any Interpretation of Prophecy but the Jews had the Scripture for 4,000 years and they still didn't realise that Jesus was the Messiah even though he fulfilled everything required in the law, prophets, and psalms...The same can be said of us Christians.

:wave: Hello.
Nice to see you fellowshipping.

Yes, sometimes we cannot see what profit a prophecy can have until it occurs and sometimes only as an after thought.

Apparently from what I read, a Saint had predicted Hitler in the past, 1600's I think.
But I forget who.

[Secundulus]

I dont mean to discreadit any Interpretation of Prophecy but the Jews had the Scripture for 4,000 years and they still didn't realise that Jesus was the Messiah even though he fulfilled everything required in the law, prophets, and psalms...The same can be said of us Christians.

Then the natural question is: Are you sure that Revelation is speaking against the Catholic Church? Or is it possible that a whole lot of interpreters, remembering bad experiences during the Reformation, are wrongly projecting these experiences into prophesy?

Martin Luther called the Pope the anti-christ. Was he talking about that specific Pope or was he referring to the Church in general? Since he was a Priest and initially changed very little, I expect he was referring to that specific person and not to the Church in general.

If my belief is correct then many people are playing right into the hands of Satan by ensuring that the Church stays divided.

Does that mean you have to abandon your Baptist beliefs and become a Catholic? No. But at least recognize the Catholic Church as your ally in Christ and not as the enemy.

While we may be divided by some significant doctrinal beliefs, we should stand together in Christ. Otherwise we will all fall. A house divided between itself cannot stand.

[Secundulus]

:wave: Hello.
Nice to see you fellowshipping.

Yes, sometimes we cannot see what profit a prophecy can have until it occurs and sometimes only as an after thought.

Apparently from what I read, a Saint had predicted Hitler in the past, 1600's I think.
But I forget who.

I think that was Nostradamus. He was not a Saint, but he may have had some interesting things to say. Unfortunately, from what I have read somewhere, he was into divination. Maybe we shouldn't listen to him.

[WarriorAngel]

I think that was Nostradamus. He was not a Saint, but he may have had some interesting things to say. Unfortunately, from what I have read somewhere, he was into divination. Maybe we shouldn't listen to him.

No, it wasn't Nostradamus.:scratch:

I am familiar with his predictions...calling him Hister...or something.

This was someone else. I think...
SInce I looked at it rather briefly, I dont remember. :sorry:


http://home.earthlink.net/~slrorer/Prophecies.htm
Here are some more prophecies...by Popes and for Popes. :o
Scary...
Seems to me there will be a time in the near future he will be forced to hide..[catacombs?]

[MattHenry]

Seems like there are tons of them.....some are downright disturbing...



(http://watch.pair.com/UR.html)



THE UNITED RELIGIONS“Alice Bailey, Foundress of the Lucifer Trust, the Theosophical and Satanist organization which lies behind UNESCO, predicted in 1919 the appearance of ‘a Universal Church’ of which ‘the definitive outline will appear toward the end of the century’ and which shall keep ‘the outward appearance amid the mission to strike out at the many vehicles of colloquial ecclesiastical usage.’...


“‘There will not be any dissociation between the Universal Church, the Sacred Lodge of all true Masons and the inner circles of the esoteric societies... In this way, the goals and work of the United Nations shall be solidified and a new Church of God, led by all the religions and by all of the spiritual groups, shall put an end to the great heresy of separateness.’ 1. (http://watch.pair.com/UR.html#1)


:o



An excellent book (700 pages) on how the Satanists and new age movement have infiltrated the church through modern bible versions, via the corrupt Greek translation they are based on, written by two spiritualists named Westcott and Hort, is: "New Age Bible Versions" by Riplinger

[PaladinGirl]

The Prophecy of St Malachy is interesting but too long to post here.

It is a specifically Roman Catholic prophecy: http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

Not sure whether I believe it or not.
Yes, the prophecy of St. Malachi is interesting. I can only hope that we are not that close to the end.

[PaladinGirl]

An excellent book (700 pages) on how the Satanists and new age movement have infiltrated the church through modern bible versions, via the corrupt Greek translation they are based on, written by two spiritualists named Westcott and Hort, is: "New Age Bible Versions" by Riplinger

That book is bunk to be quite frank. It follows the King James Onlyist philosophy which many King James Onlyists adhere to. It is a false book. Satan has not infiltrated the church with "new age" bible versions. In fact, many new Bible versions are quite conservative even to the point of using the word homosexual when that word did not even exist when the Bible was written.

[MattHenry]

That book is bunk to be quite frank. It follows the King James Onlyist philosophy which many King James Onlyists adhere to. It is a false book. Satan has not infiltrated the church with "new age" bible versions. In fact, many new Bible versions are quite conservative even to the point of using the word homosexual when that word did not even exist when the Bible was written.
Did you read "New Age Bible Versions"?

The book opens with a piece written by Dr. Frank Logsdon, who wrote the preface to the New American Standard Version. In regard to "NEW AGE VERSIONS" he wrote:

"I must under God renounce every attachment to the New American Standard,

... I'm afraid I'm in trouble with the Lord ... We laid the groundwork; I wrote the format; I helped interview some of the translators; I sat with the translator; I wrote the preface ...

I'm in trouble; I can't refute these arguments; its wrong, it's terribly wrong; it's frighteningly wrong; and what am I going to do about it? ... I can no longer ignore these criticisms I am hearing and I can't refute them ...

When questions began to reach me at first I was quite offended. However, in attempting to answer, I began to sense that something was not right about the NASV. Upon investigation, I wrote my very dear friend, Mr. Lockman, explaining that I was forced to renounce all attachment to the NASV ... The product is grievous to my heart and helps to complicate matters in these already troublous times .. The deletions are absolutely frightening ... there are so many ... Are we so naive that we do not suspect Satanic deception in all of this? ...

I don't want anything to do with it ...
[T]he finest leaders that we have today .. haven't gone into it [the new version's use of a corrupted Greek text], just as I hadn't gone into it ... That's how easily one can be deceived ... I'm going to talk to him [Dr. George sweeting, then president of Moody Bible Institute] about these things ...

[Y]ou can say the Aurhorized Version [KJV] is absolutely correct. How correct? 100% correct! ...

If you must stand against everyone else, stand."

Dr. Frank Logsdon


You see, Dr Logsdon was there for the construction of the bible and was himself fooled, so it should be no surprise that you have been too.

http://www.beholdthebeast.com/new_age_bible_versions.htm

While Logsdon may have scared himself into being what would seem a KIV onlyest, if you had read the book you would have likely concluded that the author of the book is not.

But the author is adverse to the modern versions like NIV and NASB that spring from a corrupt Greek Text that was written by two satanists named Westcott and Hort, who also founded the Gostly Guild, and are credited as being fathers of the new age movement.

Try a Yahoo - westcott and hort satanists (http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=westcott+and+hort+satanists&fr=yfp-t-501&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8)
or try - westcott and hort ghostly guild (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu.SjW7JG0bUAZC9XNyoA?p=westcott+and+hort+ghostly+guild&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501)
or - westcott and hort translation (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu5FkY7JGLAIBlfNXNyoA?p=westcott+and+hort+greek+translation&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501)
How about - westcott and hort new age movement (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu9J1Y7JG1x0BfQtXNyoA?p=westcott+and+hort+new+age+movement&y=Search&fr=yfp-t-501)

That's who brought you the lion's share of your modern versions. The Nestle Greek translation springs from Westcott and Hort.

This isn't about opinion. These are matters of fact. Click on the links and learn about it.

[zhilan]

Well, I believe the anti christ is Islam.... For sure.
I also believe that the UN is the beast with several heads. The kings without a kingdom.



Globalnomad....where are you when we need you?

Since I plan to work for the UN .... does that make you afraid of me?

[Jerrell]

:wave: Hello.
Nice to see you fellowshipping.

Yes, sometimes we cannot see what profit a prophecy can have until it occurs and sometimes only as an after thought.

Apparently from what I read, a Saint had predicted Hitler in the past, 1600's I think.
But I forget who.
The Prophet Jeremiah predicts Hitler and the Nazis and the Holocaust.

Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Jer 16:16Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.

Jer 16:17For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.

Jer 16:18And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.

Jer 16:19O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

[WarriorAngel]

Aside from Hitler and such...



The Prophet Jeremiah predicts Hitler and the Nazis and the Holocaust.

Jer 16:15 But, The LORD liveth, that brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north, and from all the lands whither he had driven them: and I will bring them again into their land that I gave unto their fathers.

Jer 16:16Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the LORD, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.

Jer 16:17For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.

Jer 16:18And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things.

Jer 16:19O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Yep...and if it was easy to spot an anti christ we would all already have avoided them...and the LAST one in the last days which will wage war on Christ [Christians]