nasa1
26th July 2007, 05:32 PM
1st Corthinians 15:12-28
But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he has put everything under his feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Do you think that G-d is trying to save everyone Today, or some possibly in the next age?
Matthew 12:31
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
I wonder why Yeshua would say the age to come if forgiveness was not possible in the next age. So, I am thinking that forgiveness is possible in the next age - but what is the next age?
I think it was Pioneer who intelligently remarked that many phrases Yeshua used while on earth were not orginated by Him. I did some research and found that it was Rabbis before Yeshua that coined Gehenna and what it all entails. I find it amazing that Yeshua picked up their lingo and kept teaching it as truth. That is why I believe the Rabbinic interpretation of Gehenna - for some, it is eternal, for others, temporary. And yes, I think I can back that up (the temporary concept) with scripture (Matthew 5:24-26)
It is hard for me to think that forgiveness is only possible in this lifetime. What about those who only lived 20 years, or even 15 years? Surely a merciful G-d would not commit them to eternal hell-fire after just 15 or 20 years of life! G-ds love is so infinite that it must transcend time or ages, that it is always available, right up unto the great white throne judgement.
I know some might say I am teaching falsehood, and I can accept your criticism. But think of G-ds promise to Israel: surely that promise is not only for these times, is it? If it is, what about the millions of Israelites that have been on the earth over the centuries? I cannot believe a promise is only for a specific time period, and that nothing is offered or available before that - or even after that.
I look forward to your views.
nasa1
But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he has put everything under his feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
Do you think that G-d is trying to save everyone Today, or some possibly in the next age?
Matthew 12:31
Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
I wonder why Yeshua would say the age to come if forgiveness was not possible in the next age. So, I am thinking that forgiveness is possible in the next age - but what is the next age?
I think it was Pioneer who intelligently remarked that many phrases Yeshua used while on earth were not orginated by Him. I did some research and found that it was Rabbis before Yeshua that coined Gehenna and what it all entails. I find it amazing that Yeshua picked up their lingo and kept teaching it as truth. That is why I believe the Rabbinic interpretation of Gehenna - for some, it is eternal, for others, temporary. And yes, I think I can back that up (the temporary concept) with scripture (Matthew 5:24-26)
It is hard for me to think that forgiveness is only possible in this lifetime. What about those who only lived 20 years, or even 15 years? Surely a merciful G-d would not commit them to eternal hell-fire after just 15 or 20 years of life! G-ds love is so infinite that it must transcend time or ages, that it is always available, right up unto the great white throne judgement.
I know some might say I am teaching falsehood, and I can accept your criticism. But think of G-ds promise to Israel: surely that promise is not only for these times, is it? If it is, what about the millions of Israelites that have been on the earth over the centuries? I cannot believe a promise is only for a specific time period, and that nothing is offered or available before that - or even after that.
I look forward to your views.
nasa1