Should we vote for...

[NewGuy101]

A description on the side of our forum stating..

Conservative Christians-For Real Christians Only

Keep in mind that this doesn't mean we don't allow questions from non-christians or make changes any of the rules. This only means we include a small description on the side of our forum title. This doesn't mean that other denominations or people in other congregations aren't Christians it's a statement that we want a sanctuary for bible believing Christians who refuse to compromise. *This poll is strictly for conservatives only* Please provide a reason why you voted like you did and also be clear that this poll is open to other potential descriptions. I'm well aware that many are scared to take a strong stance because of our postmodern culture, but it good to atleast discuss it.

[Voegelin]

Voted "Not sure- but I suggest this... "

Don't have a suggestion at present. But I will.

How many characters fit in the description?

[NewGuy101]

Voted "Not sure- but I suggest this... "

Don't have a suggestion at present. But I will.

How many characters fit in the description?
no clue...

[CyberPaladin]

I like the idea of having label indicating certains threads and all polls are for conservatives only. I don't like this phrase of yours "Conservative Christians-For Real Christians Only" you might as well go over the liberals forum and beg them come here and flame us.

[Voegelin]

I agree Cyber. Not that I mind a motto which makes it very clear what we are. But that is where the emphasis should be. On what we are, not on what others are not.

[CyberPaladin]

I agree Cyber. Not that I mind a motto which makes it very clear what we are. But that is where the emphasis should be. On what we are, not on what others are not.

I think it would be more productive to try to work on a pharse that focus on the divinity of the Trinity and our belief that the Bible is the owrd of God.

I have no problem with being a harsh during the web board shouting matches which occur but this is going to be our forums motto we should be stating what we stand for not taking a potshot at the liberals.

[Voegelin]

Not suggesting this specifically but Ohio's motto from Matthew 19:26 "With God, All Things Are Possible" is the type of general term I incline toward.

Some Liberals would get the point. A liberal group sued to force Ohio to change its motto. Conservatives, of course, defended it.

[CyberPaladin]

Not suggesting this specifically but Ohio's motto from Matthew 19:26 "With God, All Things Are Possible" is the type of general term I incline toward.

Some Liberals would get the point. A liberal group sued to force Ohio to change its motto. Conservatives, of course, defended it.

I know that's one of the things I love about my state.

I think it's definetly the direction we should head.

[Sothron]

I voted yes with the addendum that "real Christians who believe in the Nicene Creed" otherwise we are sending a message I can not agree with. I am not comfortable with labelling something as real only if it is leans one side of the fence. Affirming the Nicene Creed however is simply providing a groundwork for common agreement.

[dinkime]

just SLIGHTLY judgemental, i am not God, so i do not know who is a "REAL" Christian

[NewGuy101]

just SLIGHTLY judgemental, i am not God, so i do not know who is a "REAL" ChristianWell the scripture says I'll shall recognize your works. Also this doesn't mean that people that aren't here aren't Christians it just means we welcome Real Christians.

Also what do you suggest as an alternative?

[CyberPaladin]

Well the scripture says I'll shall recognize your works. Also this doesn't mean that people that aren't here aren't Christians it just means we welcome Real Christians.


NewGuy101 I apologize since your intent wasn't to take a jab at others. But the current wording does seem like it could be very easily confused as such.

[NewGuy101]

NewGuy101 I apologize since your intent wasn't to take a jab at others. But the current wording does seem like it could be very easily confused as such.
Well how would you rephrase it...

[meh]

Absolutely NOT. Nicene Creed Christians is fine. Whatever. But not "real" Christians. It's a flame. People might be more liberal than us theologically but we have no way of knowing whether or not Jesus considers them "real" Christians.

In fact, if we put up the phrase real Christians I'll leave.

We don't have to be snide or cruel or arrogant here.

[NewGuy101]

Absolutely NOT. Nicene Creed Christians is fine. Whatever. But not "real" Christians. It's a flame. People might be more liberal than us theologically but we have no way of knowing whether or not Jesus considers them "real" Christians.

In fact, if we put up the phrase real Christians I'll leave.

We don't have to be snide or cruel or arrogant here.
I think I'm going to have to rephrase my OP....

[CyberPaladin]

Well how would you rephrase it...

I'm working on some ideas I'm much better with numbers than wording so I'm not really coming anything yet I would want to present.
Also this is the part of the reason why I started that thread where I begged people to please do discussion threads before polls because how you intend something to be and how it comes across can very different especialy on the web.

[intricatic]

"Historical Christians" ?

[Debi1967]

I voted yes with the addendum that "real Christians who believe in the Nicene Creed" otherwise we are sending a message I can not agree with. I am not comfortable with labelling something as real only if it is leans one side of the fence. Affirming the Nicene Creed however is simply providing a groundwork for common agreement.
I have to concur and I voted yes too

[NewGuy101]

How about "For Genuine Nicene Creed Christians" or "Historic Nicene Creed Christians Welcomed" ?

[Debi1967]

How about "For Genuine Nicene Creed Christians" or "Historic Nicene Creed Christians Welcomed" ?
Historic would be better wording

[Chococat]

I'm not sure what to suggest but I'm not happy with the label "REAL Christians" because there are many Christians who believe Christians of a different denomination are not "real Christians" (eg some Protestants believe Catholics don't fit that description and vice versa). In fact I was once told on another "Christian" site that I was not a "real Christian" because I attend a Catholic church and it really hurt me and still does to this day.:sigh: :( :cry: :mad:

[NewGuy101]

I'm not sure what to suggest but I'm not happy with the label "REAL Christians" because there are many Christians who believe Christians of a different denomination are not "real Christians" (eg some Protestants believe Catholics don't fit that description and vice versa). In fact I was once told on another "Christian" site that I was not a "real Christian" because I attend a Catholic church and it really hurt me and still does to this day.:sigh: :( :cry: :mad:
We welcome all people from all denominations? What's up with the political correctness in this website? Lets face it some people, infact many people in this website aren't real christians. It goes far beyond denominatinal differences.

[Debi1967]

It just leaves open the loophole for other to contend that others that are welcomed here should no longer be welcomed here because according to them they are not TRUE Christians that is all

[NewGuy101]

It just leaves open the loophole for other to contend that others that are welcomed here should no longer be welcomed here because according to them they are not TRUE Christians that is all
Actually according to the liberals everyone is a Christian if they choose to call themsevels one.

[Debi1967]

Actually according to the liberals everyone is a Christian if they choose to call themsevels one.
I think that is why we are stating the Nicene creed and Apostles' Creed are needed here

[CyberPaladin]

I'm not sure what to suggest but I'm not happy with the label "REAL Christians" because there are many Christians who believe Christians of a different denomination are not "real Christians" (eg some Protestants believe Catholics don't fit that description and vice versa). In fact I was once told on another "Christian" site that I was not a "real Christian" because I attend a Catholic church and it really hurt me and still does to this day.:sigh: :( :cry: :mad:
Chococat don't worry after a while it gets that it won't even bother you that some deranged extremist calls you.:hug:


We welcome all people from all denominations? What's up with the political correctness in this website? Lets face it some people, infact many people in this website aren't real christians. It goes far beyond denominatinal differences.

One of us needs to face facts and that's you that the people that are complaining it's not about being PC IT'S ABOUT NOT TURNING CC INTO A GIANT FLAME WAR WITH EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM.
I realize that would be fine for you since you have another congregation board to go back to but for some of us this it.

[NewGuy101]

Chococat don't worry after a while it gets that it won't even bother you that some deranged extremist calls you.:hug:




One of us needs to face facts and that's you that the people that are complaining it's not about being PC IT'S ABOUT NOT TURNING CC INTO A GIANT FLAME WAR WITH EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM.
I realize that would be fine for you since you have another congregation board to go back to but for some of us this it.
I fail to see how this is going to turn into a giant flame war since they cannot even post here. There is also many complaining about PC look at the two other discussing CF's postmodern stance.

[CyberPaladin]

I fail to see how this is going to turn into a giant flame war since they cannot even post here. There is also many complaining about PC look at the two other discussing CF's postmodern stance.

Given the current state of the CF and it's enforcement of what few rules there are I can't see how it wouldn't cause a flame war.

[NewGuy101]

Given the current state of the CF and it's enforcement of what few rules there are I can't see how it wouldn't cause a flame war.
How would they flame here? We have our own mods? Liberals must adhere to this forums restrictions.

[Jim47]

Given the current state of the CF and it's enforcement of what few rules there are I can't see how it wouldn't cause a flame war.


Oh, we have plenty of rules, pages and pages of them, and if you have time many more pages. We just have no way to enforce them.

[NewGuy101]

Oh, we have plenty of rules, pages and pages of them, and if you have time many more pages. We just have no way to enforce them.
More mods needed perhaps?

[CyberPaladin]

Oh, we have plenty of rules, pages and pages of them, and if you have time many more pages. We just have no way to enforce them.
Gee that makes me feel alot better about the NewGuy101 suggestion that we poke the provebial bear with a stick.

[NewGuy101]

Gee that makes me feel alot better about the NewGuy101 suggestion that we poke the provebial bear with a stick.
We can solve the problem with good mods. Why the fear?

[GreenMunchkin]

Without reading any comments, I voted no. Am not in any position to say who is and isn't a "real Christian". Conservative Christian does the trick :)

[NewGuy101]

Without reading any comments, I voted no. Am not in any position to say who is and isn't a "real Christian". Conservative Christian does the trick :)
You really should read the thread...trust me. It think I did a bad job phrasing the poll.

[CyberPaladin]

We can solve the problem with good mods. Why the fear?

I'm not afraid I just want all of us to have to deal with a mess just so that you can feel that you proved your super conservative. Besides what would that statemnt accomplish anyways right now you can basicialy call yourself what ever you want anywhere on the board. And if your really want to help cutting down liberal abuse the wiki is place to work on that not some graphic on our page that will annoy everyone nonconservative on the CF.

[NewGuy101]

I'm not afraid I just want all of us to have to deal with a mess just so that you can feel that you proved your super conservative. Besides what would that statemnt accomplish anyways right now you can basicialy call yourself what ever you want anywhere on the board. And if your really want to help cutting down liberal abuse the wiki is place to work on that not some graphic on our page that will annoy everyone nonconservative on the CF.
I see you are making this a personal issue. I feel sad brother that you have choosen to attack me rather than deal with the issue. I will say that I created this poll to send a statement that conservatives will not stand for this abuse by CF and welcome others who are fed up with the manipulation. That Christian principles will not be diluted for popularity, but will stand strong in Christ.

[CyberPaladin]

I see you are making this a personal issue. I feel sad brother that you have choosen to attack me rather than deal with the issue. I will say that I created this to send a statement that conservatives will not stand for this abuse by CF. That Christian principles will not be manipulate for popularity, but will stand strong in Christ.

You can believe what you want but I'm trying to make this personal.
So you belief this the best way to try and stop conservative abuse is to provoke the very people you claim are abusing us more, needlessly I might add since your goals can be accomplished through creating our subforum rules.

[~free~]

Interesting.

What is a "real" Christian?
Who is deciding that?
What about seekers?
What about witnessing?

Maybe I have the wrong idea about this forum.

[NewGuy101]

You can believe what you want but I'm trying to make this personal.
So you belief this the best way to try and stop conservative abuse is to provoke the very people you claim are abusing us more, needlessly I might add since your goals can be accomplished through creating our subforum rules.
You're not making thsi personal. Let's observe your comments...


I'm not afraid I just want all of us to have to deal with a mess just so that you can feel that you proved your super conservative.

[NewGuy101]

Interesting.

What is a "real" Christian?
Who is deciding that?
What about seekers?
What about witnessing?

Maybe I have the wrong idea about this forum.
1) Holds to Nicene Creed
2) I think we decided that already with the forums rules
3) They are free to ask questions, I hope you read my OP.
4) Same as 3

[CyberPaladin]

You're not making thsi personal. Let's observe your comments...

That's not personal that's an accurate statement. There is no reason what so ever for us to be trying to start fight with most the board further more it's nothing more than a backdoor attempt to legitmize a flame.

[NewGuy101]

That's not personal that's an accurate statement. There is no reason what so ever for us to be trying to start fight with most the board further more it's nothing more than a backdoor attempt to legitmize a flame.
This is your own assumption since the point to put the description isn't to fight but to make a sanctuary for bible believing christains. Insted of realizing you have choosen to attack me personaly saying that I'm trying to show off my "conservativeness."

[CyberPaladin]

This is your own assumption since the point to put the description isn't to fight but to make a sanctuary for bible believing christains. Insted of realizing you have choosen to attack me personaly saying that I'm trying to show off my "conservativeness."

How do figure your going to create a santucary for anything by causing a huge conflict.

[NewGuy101]

How do figure your going to create a santucary for anything by causing a huge conflict.
You don't know there is going to be a huge conflict? Even if there was it would be good to take a bold stance; btw you don't have to agree with me but don't attack my character.

[CyberPaladin]

You don't know there is going to be a huge conflict? Even if there was it would be good to take a bold stance; btw you don't have to agree with me but don't attack my character.
Yeah it might not happen if something really unexpected happened like Erwin changed the rules back. What you like to see as a bold stand myself and others view as just trying to pick a fight for no reason. As far as making CC sancutary forum rules limiting who is a member of CC and posting limitations are the way that will be accomplished not through inflammtory banners placed here.

[NewGuy101]

Yeah it might not happen if something really unexpected happened like Erwin changed the rules back. What you like to see as a bold stand myself and others view as just trying to pick a fight for no reason. As far as making CC sancutary forum rules limiting who is a member of CC and posting limitations are the way that will be accomplished not through inflammtory banners placed here.
Again,it's just a statement there will be no limitation of the rules I made that more than clear. I also don't think it's an "imflammtory" statement since it describes our biblical position.

[Jim47]

Interesting.

What is a "real" Christian?
Who is deciding that?
What about seekers?
What about witnessing?

Maybe I have the wrong idea about this forum.



I don't think witnessing is allowed here. Everyone just reports them so they go away :sigh:

[NewGuy101]

I don't think witnessing is allowed here. Everyone just reports them so they go away :sigh:
They are allowed to fellowship just not debate.

[~free~]

I don't think witnessing is allowed here. Everyone just reports them so they go away :sigh:
:sigh: How sad is that.

I just don't get why it all has to be made so complicated. God didn't mean for things to be complicated. :(

[NewGuy101]

:sigh: How sad is that.

I just don't get why it all has to be made so complicated. God didn't mean for things to be complicated. :(
uh...

They are allowed to fellowship just not debate.

And I think did let things get complicated, nothing happens outside of his will.

[GreenMunchkin]

I don't think witnessing is allowed here. Everyone just reports them so they go away :sigh: :scratch:

Maybe this thread could just die now? :groupray:

[Jim47]

:scratch:

Maybe this thread could just die now? :groupray:



It can be closed by request of the OP only, or a major rule violation that can not other wise be fixed.

I think some good points have been made and perhaps we all can re-examine what we want do here.

I know we are attracting a lot of un-believers here, maybe we can tell them about Jesus :preach:

[GreenMunchkin]

I know we are attracting a lot of un-believers here, maybe we can tell them about Jesus :preach: :clap: :amen: :hug:

Or we could turn it into a "Free Hugs For All" thread :)

That would be nice.

[Jim47]

:hug:

Or we could turn it into a "Free Hugs For All" thread

That would be nice.


And yet another good idea ! :thumbsup:

[CyberPaladin]

Personaly I think we should go something along the lines Christ is the only true path. Unless people really do want to stir the pot so to speak and make a bold statement if so I see turn the banner into something about homosexuality is a sin or that abortion is always murder. If we are going try and make a bold statment and stir things up it needs to be about something real not some little pharse to make us the members feel better.

[hazeleyes80]

How about something like "Conservative Christians - Followers of the Teachings and Traditions of God and His Word" or "Conservative Christians - Believers in God's Unchanging Word" or "Conservative Christians - We believe in God's Word and believe that Jesus is our Lord"? I think that the "real Christians" thing would be a little too vague because, as others have pointed out, only Jesus knows who here are "real Christians." Just a thought.

[Albion]

How about something like "Conservative Christians - Followers of the Teachings and Traditions of God and His Word" or "Conservative Christians - Believers in God's Unchanging Word" or "Conservative Christians - We believe in God's Word and believe that Jesus is our Lord"? I think that the "real Christians" thing would be a little too vague because, as others have pointed out, only Jesus knows who here are "real Christians." Just a thought.

...and a very good thought it is. "Real" of course doesn't mean anything in practice since any view of the religion, including the most bizarre and unconventional, is considered the "real" one by whoever holds it.

[NewGuy101]

Do you guys think I should make another poll addressing the several options to see what could replace my suggestion?

[Albion]

Do you guys think I should make another poll addressing the several options to see what could replace my suggestion?

Sure. Put up the three options that Hazeleyes80 mentioned.