Liberal trollers

[Chococat]

This site has only been open for a week or so and already we are having liberals coming in to troll. I came to this section to get away from trollers so why are they being allowed to make trouble here.:confused: If they want to ask questions etc that's no problem but they shouldn't be allowed to attack our faith or cause arguments.

[GreenMunchkin]

This site has only been open for a week or so and already we are having liberals coming in to troll. I came to this section to get away from these people so why are they being allowed to make trouble here.:confused: :hug: We need to make sure the forum is welcoming for *everyone*, but our wiki has rules, so if you see a post you feel is trolling or debating by someone who doesn't "belong" to this congregation, report the post. We mustn't cut ourselves off from everyone, sis, but yes, this should be a safe haven :hug:

[Chococat]

I agree GM. Sad to say trolling seems to have increased since the changes at CF and the culprits aren't always liberals! For instance I post a lot on the OBOB section and already there are Catholic bashing Protestants who are trolling there. In fact trolling was one reason why I stopped posting on the interdenominational section as there were the same 2 or 3 people there who kept deliberately trying to stir up trouble.:sigh: :(

[Rochir]

This site has only been open for a week or so and already we are having liberals coming in to troll. I came to this section to get away from trollers so why are they being allowed to make trouble here.:confused: If they want to ask questions etc that's no problem but they shouldn't be allowed to attack our faith or cause arguments.

*sigh* In our liberal Christians section we have the same problems with conservative trolls who come to us and dissturb our peace!:sigh:

[Chococat]

And IMO that is also wrong Rochir. Like I said going to another section to have a legit conversation, ask questions and find out what makes the people concerned tick is fine. What I do object to is trolling by anyone be they liberal, conservative, Protestant, Catholic whatever.:preach: Hope that clears things up. :hug:

[NewGuy101]

*sigh* In our liberal Christians section we have the same problems with conservative trolls who come to us and dissturb our peace!:sigh:
Really? I check the WWMC all the time and I never see a conservative post.

[Debi1967]

hey I have said this but how about we make our rules more clear so that trolling cannot exist here and so that they can ask legit questions but we do not have active debates

[Chococat]

Great idea RR.:thumbsup:

[Albion]

This site has only been open for a week or so and already we are having liberals coming in to troll. I came to this section to get away from trollers so why are they being allowed to make trouble here.:confused: If they want to ask questions etc that's no problem but they shouldn't be allowed to attack our faith or cause arguments.

Well, the answer is simple. Most people here want to call themselves "conservative" but are opposed to defining it in any way that accords with the meaning of conservatism. When, "who can say what is conservative?" is the unofficial but prevailing view, naturally almost everyone is going to be allowed to start a debate and contend for non-conservative ideas.

It's not just about trollers. Sincere Christians who think that anything this side of neo-Paganism or Bishop Spong makes one a conservative Christian want to be here and so that's what we are at present--all things to almost all, but not all, CF posters from fundamentalists to traditionalists to libertarians to moderates to somewhat liberal members who think they ar not as liberal as the worst of the liberals.

[Albion]

hey I have said this but how about we make our rules more clear so that trolling cannot exist here and so that they can ask legit questions but we do not have active debates

I think that would be a splendid improvement and long overdue. So, how are you or we going to define "they?"

[Debi1967]

Conservative

A person whose political or religious beliefs are centered on tradition and keeping things the way they are.

Antonyms leftist, liberal, progressive

Christianity

1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Christ) , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Christian) religion

[Debi1967]

And btw I think I will stick to defining us rather then them

[Rochir]

And IMO that is also wrong Rochir. Like I said going to another section to have a legit conversation, ask questions and find out what makes the people concerned tick is fine. What I do object to is trolling by anyone be they liberal, conservative, Protestant, Catholic whatever.:preach: Hope that clears things up. :hug:

I fully agree! :thumbsup:

[NewGuy101]

And btw I think I will stick to defining us rather then them

Liberal: a walking contradiction.

[Rochir]

Really?

Really!

[NewGuy101]

Really!
You didn't answer my question...

[Albion]

Conservative

A person whose political or religious beliefs are centered on tradition and keeping things the way they are.

Antonyms leftist, liberal, progressive

Christianity

1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Christ) , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Christian) religion

That's fine with me. As soon as it is the official position of the forum, the liberal trollers can be ruled out of order when they do what you said we shouldn't allow. But if we don't have a definition of ourselves, we can't say that anyone else fails to meet it (which is what we are saying when saying 'liberal trollers').

[Debi1967]

That's fine with me. As soon as it is the official position of the forum, the liberal trollers can be ruled out of order when they do what you said we shouldn't allow. But if we don't have a definition of ourselves, we can't say that anyone else fails to meet it (which is what we are saying when saying 'liberal trollers').
We need to take it to the Wiki as a proposal

And I am too tired from battling Tas all day over Tattoos

[talitha]

Conservative

A person whose political or religious beliefs are centered on tradition and keeping things the way they are.
YIKES - the "way things are" is in many many cases unfriendly to Conservatism and in many many cases unfriendly to the cause of the Kingdom of God.

As ambassadors of the Kingdom of God, we certainly are not advocating "keeping things the way they are", are we?

[Debi1967]

religious beliefs are centered on tradition and keeping things the way they are.
1 : the religion derived from Jesus Christ (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Christ) , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
2 : conformity to the Christian (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Christian) religion

this put together is what we support and should as Conservatives YES

[Albion]

YIKES - the "way things are" is in many many cases unfriendly to Conservatism and in many many cases unfriendly to the cause of the Kingdom of God.

What you have said here you have said to a series of people who want to get things settled here and have a definition of 'Conservative Christians' that includes a reference to Conservatism. I don't want to argue with you, Tal, but I have no idea where you come by the view that we should not state that we are for conserving or preserving traditional Christian beliefs and values.

Keeping things at least generally the same IS conservatism. You cannot BE conservative and advocate overthrowing the tried and true, etc. Plus, we've already had several people show us all that the dictionary defines conservativism as upholding tradition.

But talking past each other doesn't do anything for anyone, so what I would like to do is ask you please to explain a little bit deeper why you are adverse to a conservative statement. Maybe we are miscommunicating or maybe you are concerned about some implications you think are present in traditionalism but which are not really meant by the word or which could be handled to everyone's satisfaction with a slight change in wording.

Will you do this please?

As ambassadors of the Kingdom of God, we certainly are not advocating "keeping things the way they are", are we?

Well, I am for the Bible, the basic Christian doctrines of faith, those concerning God, Christ as savior, the standard Christian practices of baptism and the Lord's Supper, evangelism, and traditional Christian moral values such as marital fidelity, honesty, respect for life, and so on. I have no reason to think that you are not for the survival of these also. Yet, those are all "traditional," being about 2000 years old and representing the consensus of Christians of just about all denominations throughout two millennia.

So how can the customary, historic, Christian views be "unfriendly to the cause of the Kingdom of God?" Right offhand, I'd say that the faith of Christianity ISN'T unfriendly to the Kingdom of God.

Who in our society is arrayed against traditional Christianity then? Secularists, humanists, extreme ecumenicalists, atheists and anti-Christians, Deists, liberal Christians, etc. among others. And there are various new religions like Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, New Agers, Scientologists and others who reject the Bible as it has been understood through the years, the nature of God as Christians have always believed it to be, and so on. I know that you're not one of them.

And if there is something in your perspective that isn't being appreciated by people like myself, it would help to have it spelled out in no uncertain terms. Is it even what "tradition" means, I have to wonder.

One thing that occurs to me that may be a source of miscommunication is that to be conservative does not mean keeping EVERYTHING, every last thing, the same as it has been. That is a common mistake made about Conservatism. Another is that an innovation of an earlier time is not traditional just because it is with us now. You once cited the case of slavery, as I recall, to oppose tradition, but that's NOT a traditional Christian belief or value, no way, it never represented the majority or standard view, even if some individuals and/or some countries argued for it using a Bible.

The most admired Conservatives in history have advocated prudent change, just not 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater.' If our values and beliefs are preserved, we are completely free as conservatives to, for example, change the way we go about spreading the Gospel.

Let's see if we can get to the bottom of this for the benefit of everyone here.

[woman.at.the.well]

This site has only been open for a week or so and already we are having liberals coming in to troll. I came to this section to get away from trollers so why are they being allowed to make trouble here.:confused: If they want to ask questions etc that's no problem but they shouldn't be allowed to attack our faith or cause arguments.

i was hoping for the same chococat. i know i don't go trolling in the liberal section; seems only right they shouldn't come trolling here. it almost seems like some sort of sick twisted obsession-doesn't it?

[TasManOfGod]

So what is the "official" conservative view on Christians getting themselves tattooed in contravention of God's will in Lev 19:28

[Albion]

So what is the "official" conservative view on Christians getting themselves tattooed in contravention of God's will in Lev 19:28

I think that the official view on the CC forum is that we've heard all sides of the argument now and don't need to start all over again.

[TasManOfGod]

I think that the official view on the CC forum is that we've heard all sides of the argument now and don't need to start all over again.
So who would be a troller the one with tattoos or the one who speaks against their promotion. I am interested because I am concerned if I would be considered a troller here or not

[Izdaari]

So who would be a troller the one with tattoos or the one who speaks against their promotion. I am interested because I am concerned if I would be considered a troller here or not
Gee, I dunno. I guess that depends on if obsessively riding a dead horse is considered trolling. But see Galatians -- the entire book -- for Paul's opinion on Christians who think they're supposed to follow the Mosaic Law.

[Chococat]

i was hoping for the same chococat. i know i don't go trolling in the liberal section; seems only right they shouldn't come trolling here. it almost seems like some sort of sick twisted obsession-doesn't it?


I guess they feel the need to obey the great commision to preach the gospel of liberalism/atheism to us poor plebs who insist on believing the Bible and Biblical principles.:doh:

[Albion]

So who would be a troller the one with tattoos or the one who speaks against their promotion. I am interested because I am concerned if I would be considered a troller here or not

I get the idea that the reference was to real trollers, not people who are usually conservative but may depart from the consensus on an issue here or there. That's why a strong statement would work, if enforced, agains real trollers.

Your "case study" concerning tattoos is a good example of how we can look at conservative vs. liberal or what it is to uphold the conservative POV.

Test yourself. What has the traditional POV among Christians, regardless of denomination, been on this issue since the founding of the Christian Church?

If there has been a ban against tattoos since early times that the churches recognized or pronounced, it would be a conservative argument to keep it. If this has not been an issue for the Christian churches and people of history and only has become an issue for some Christians now and again, it's NOT a conservative stance to call for tattooing to be disavowed, etc.

I have not followed the argument here very closely, but this is how you can tell.

Let's say that Christianity has been moot on the matter of tattooing. That would make your argument a revisionist one, and therefore not a conservative one. It could be presented but not debated at length.

But that assumes that we ever get a conservative statement that defines us.

[woman.at.the.well]

I guess they feel the need to obey the great commision to preach the gospel of liberalism/atheism to us poor plebs who insist on believing the Bible and Biblical principles.:doh:

is that what it is? thank you for the headsup! ;)

[nyj]

So who would be a troller the one with tattoos or the one who speaks against their promotion. I am interested because I am concerned if I would be considered a troller here or notTas, if you drag the issue of tattoos into every subject, regardless of the OP, I'd say that would be tantamount to trolling.

[CyberPaladin]

i was hoping for the same chococat. i know i don't go trolling in the liberal section; seems only right they shouldn't come trolling here. it almost seems like some sort of sick twisted obsession-doesn't it?

Not really it's pretty much the same behavior I saw in News and Current Event section and expected to spread everywhere but I imagine it might be shock to those that stayed in the Christian only sections.

[TasManOfGod]

I see so being conservative depends not on what God says is unholy but what we ourselves think is unholy -and trolling is when you would want to see this reversed. Have I got that right?

[Mankin]

Run! Here comes a liberal! Lol. It depends on what your definition of a troller and liberal is. If the liberals are making a nuisance of themselves, then you can report those specific users.

[TasManOfGod]

Run! Here comes a liberal! Lol. It depends on what your definition of a troller and liberal is. If the liberals are making a nuisance of themselves, then you can report those specific users.
So the your definition of a liberal then seems to be one that doesn't agree with your definition of a conservative even if he is more conservative than you are

[Mankin]

My def of a liberal is a person who disagrees with a lot of conservative ideals.

[Ishida]

What love. *sigh*

[TasManOfGod]

What love. *sigh*
yer true :sigh:

[TasManOfGod]

My def of a liberal is a person who disagrees with a lot of conservative ideals.
Whose conservative ideals - Yours or those who have more conservative ideals than you?. That would make you a liberal in their eyes -would it not?

[Mankin]

I say one thing and you want to start a debate?

[SallyNow]

i was hoping for the same chococat. i know i don't go trolling in the liberal section; seems only right they shouldn't come trolling here. it almost seems like some sort of sick twisted obsession-doesn't it?


:wave:

Just wanted to pop my head in and say that, yes, from time to time, I do take a look at the Conservative Forum, Fundemental Forums, and various denominational forums that I am not a part of. However, it is not a "sick twisted obsession". I am genuinly interested in how and why other people come to different conclusions than my own. Sometimes I even learn something!

Also, while on first glance, I do not seem to have anything in common with conservatives, I do have my "conservative" side.

There has always been trolling on the internet, and CF is no different. All the subforums have a troll or two. I am sorry that it is so distressing.

However, I do not see genuine interest, and fellowship, as trolling, and I will keep any posts I make in the Conservative forum to fellowship and genuine interest. :hug:

[Mankin]

Trolling is everywhere. It isn't just liberals who troll.

[Christiangal01]

Trolling is everywhere. It isn't just liberals who troll.
but darn, i run into so many liberal trollers more than i do conservative trollers!

[Hishandmaiden]

Not all conservatives share the same viewpoints on all matters, and perhaps, that is why some of the liberals in this forum may consider themselves as conservatives.

[talitha]

Trolling is everywhere. It isn't just liberals who troll.
That is true, but in order to see a "conservative troller" [sic], you would need to be in a predominantly "liberal" area. We're not going to be paTROLLing the conservative areas. Are we?

blessings
tal

[woman.at.the.well]

Not really it's pretty much the same behavior I saw in News and Current Event section and expected to spread everywhere but I imagine it might be shock to those that stayed in the Christian only sections.

Except for the fact that E & M is for all; not specified for just one particular belief/value system. This forum is specific so folks with liberal ideas and beliefs probably shouldn't post here. Just like we are only suppose to be posting in certain denoms (according to our denom icon); it should be that way here too.

[etherspirit]

This site has only been open for a week or so and already we are having liberals coming in to troll. I came to this section to get away from trollers so why are they being allowed to make trouble here.:confused: If they want to ask questions etc that's no problem but they shouldn't be allowed to attack our faith or cause arguments.

It's because the liberal christians forum is boring. ^_^

[WarriorAngel]

I porpose that we all sit down and eat chocolate.

:sorry:

But, aside from that, we can classify the two as;
Liberal = Modernist
Conservatism = Traditional.

Anyway....
Just pass me some chocolate...and I will be ok. :thumbsup:

[Voegelin]

I porpose that we all sit down and eat chocolate.

:sorry:

But, aside from that, we can classify the two as;
Liberal = Modernist
Conservatism = Traditional.

Anyway....
Just pass me some chocolate...and I will be ok. :thumbsup:

How about some carob power sweetened with stevia instead? It's better for you, you know. Looks something like chocolate and even has a somewhat chocolate taste.

[Joykins]

How about some carob power sweetened with stevia instead? It's better for you, you know. Looks something like chocolate and even has a somewhat chocolate taste.

Don't you know that is Liberal food? A Conservative would stick with chocolate even if it is bad for you! ^_^

[Annabel Lee]

I porpose that we all sit down and eat chocolate.

:sorry:

But, aside from that, we can classify the two as;
Liberal = Modernist
Conservatism = Traditional.

Anyway....
Just pass me some chocolate...and I will be ok. :thumbsup:
In Klingon..
nuq Daq yuch Dapol?!!
(Where do you keep the chocolate?!!)

[Macrina]

Did someone say "chocolate?" ^_^

I will go on record as saying:
Chocolate is good.
Trolls are bad.
Unless they are chocolate trolls.



;)

[Izdaari]

I porpose that we all sit down and eat chocolate.

:sorry:

But, aside from that, we can classify the two as;
Liberal = Modernist
Conservatism = Traditional.

Anyway....
Just pass me some chocolate...and I will be ok. :thumbsup:
If Modernists are Liberal, and Traditionalists are Conservative, what is a Post-Modernist? :cool:

But anyway, I'm all for chocolate. :thumbsup:

[Brennin]

Repel the boarders! :)

[Tangeloper]

Repel the boarders! :)

Would that be skateboarders, or snowboarders, and why would we want to repel them??? I knew quite a few (very) Conservative Christian Snowboarders when living in Colorado! They were very cool people! ;)
[Just having a little fun with you! :)]

~~ Tangeloper

[Izdaari]

If Modernists are Liberal, and Traditionalists are Conservative, what is a Post-Modernist? :cool:

But anyway, I'm all for chocolate. :thumbsup:
After thinking about it, I think I know the answer to my own question. If Modernists are Liberals, then Post-Modernists must be people used to be Liberal but have gotten over it. ;)