Roll Call!

[Loki]

I'm sure most of you know each other fairly well, but there seem to be some new folk, too.

Stand and be counted!

Loki here, married, no children, nor any in the near future, husband currently 9 [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]' time zones away. 24 years of age. Monolingual (aka american), though I can read some German, and speak less, and know a smattering of French, biologist by training, living in foggy California without any pets.

I consider myself an agnostic Catholic who's agnostic about her catholicism. Politically left of center, favorite color green or maybe blue. Enjoying some Quebecois music, for reading, enjoy Dostoevsky, O'Neill, Joyce, Steinbeck, Harry Potter; don't watch movies much... last one i saw in a theater was probably the 4th Harry Potter flick. Much enjoy Futurama, Firefly, Mythbusters, Colbert Report

Born and raised in the Church, self-declared atheist for a decade, sort of meandering back to the Church, and so very thankful for this forum. Being pursued by one of the hounds of heaven (http://www.houndsofheaven.com/thepoem.htm), a kindly and vivacious elderly Dominican who more than deserves the "P" in "O.P."

So thankful to see other scientifically trained Catholic about.

[Domenico]

Hi, I'm Domenico. Im single, and I live in New Zealand, in a small house with my younger brother and sister. I speak English, Italian and Latin, and a smattering of sign language. I am at university at the moment, studying psychology, playing rugby and drinking like a fish.

Politically I'm an Anarchist, mostly because I havent found any political cause worth supporting, so I choose not to vote. I love my church, though not all of its teachings. I was raised in a strict Catholic family, though I was always permitted to think for myself.

[Rebekka]

Loki, I was an agnostic catholic too in my teens until the age of 27. :D

I'm Rebekka from the Netherlands, 31, married to the sweetest and greatest man on earth (well at least I think so), no kids, three cats that I adore (one in my avatar - though sadly she lives with my parents as she couldn't get used to living in another house, so I brought her back to her first home). I'm finishing my masters degree in Dutch modern literature and hope to get a teaching degree for high school age kids next year - to teach Dutch grammar and lit. I'm fluent in Dutch ( ^_^ ), my English isn't too bad either, I speak a little German (passive better than active though), "little Latin and less Greek".

I'm a cradle catholic, I lapsed in my teens, came back to the church when I met my husband 4 years ago. I don't see myself as a liberal catholic really, I mean I am politically what Americans would call liberal (but I just call myself a leftie, an environmentalist and a feminist) except that I am pro-life - I guess I am a liberal catholic because I accept doctrine (partially) through reason, which is why I disagree with one particular doctrine. I think that's the only thing that I actively disagree with, though. For the rest I'm fairly traditional.

I love reading literary fiction (favourite authors are Nabokov, Borges, Salinger, Multatuli, Nooteboom, Austen, Van der Heijden, Nooteboom, Dickens, Thackeray, Brontë sisters, Lewis Carroll, Eco, Laura Ingalls Wilder, etc.) and poetry, I'm a Harry Potter fan as well.

I love cooking and wine tasting and reading cookbooks (and wine guides), although I never use them in the kitchen, I never use recipes (except for pastry or icecream, because you have to). Vampires cannot harm me because I am a huge garlic consumer.

I lovelovelovelovelove animals (which is why I always have animals in my CF character), especially cats. I'm not really a people person.

I love going to the opera and I love old music (renaissance and mostly baroque - and Mozart). I don't listen to non-classical music much, but I love Bob Dylan, the Kinks, the Beatles - I notice a 1960's theme here ;) - and Tracy Chapman. Oh, and 1930's-1940's music, which is one of the reasons why I love the Dennis Potter tv series (Pennies from heaven, The singing detective, Lipstick on your collar, Cold lazarus).

One last thing you should know about me: I tend to be longwinded. :D

[_Shannon_]

I'm Shannon...I am just kind of a mess, my life is messy, I have been married for going on 8 years- though my husband and I have been together 11 years and our oldest son is about to turn 10. Most days now our marriage is great- but he has hurt me like no other person on earth possibly could.

We have 5 kids: Tim-nearly 10, Lucy 6 1/2, Jane 4 1/2, Bernadette 2 1/2, and Andrew 6 months. I had two other babies who I gave up for adoption who are 12 and 14.

We homeschool, attatchment parent...more days than not I want to run away from home :)

I am Catholic, but inquiring into Orthodoxy.

I also love to read- you can see my CF blog for what kind of stuff I read. I love ska music. Most of the things I love also are a source of sadnes for me, because they are now solitary pursuits.

I went to St. John's College http://www.stjohnscollege.edu/asp/home.aspx , but didn't get to finish--but still believe fervently in liberal education.

I am politically apothetic- mostly because there are no longer statesmen- only politicians. I vote Constitution party whenever there is a candidate on the ticket. I am anti-abortion, anti-death penalty, anti- war, pro universal health care, pro prison reform, pro universal free eucation (though I believe the education system to need serious reform), pro real help for the poor and working poor, anti big business, anti big government...lol- I don't know what that makes me!

[longhair75]

I am longhair75,

I am married to the incomparable Sunflower. We have two adult daughters and one spoiled rotten cat. I live in the Midwestern US and I make my living as senior technician for a small fire alarm company.

I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church. Due to issues imprudent to discuss here, I left the Church. After a couple of years of seeking I found my way to the Anglican Church.

Sunflower and I enjoy movies and just spending time together. On weekends we go to estate sales mainly to look at the houses rather than buy the things offered for sale. I like to read, and spending a nice evening with a good book and a glass of good wine pleases me.

[Rebekka]

Shannon, St John's College looks so great! Totally my thing!

[Pogue]

:wave: Hello everyone!
I'm little Pogue, studying German with Dutch at university in Sheffield. Except as it's summer, I'm currently at home in Worcestershire, getting followed around by floods, and trying to find a job so I can afford to eat next year.
I love languages, and regret not learning more sooner. I have a secret ambition to learn as many as possible, especially concentrating on the Celtic ones. I speak a tiny bit of French and Spanish as well. Other interests (maybe you'd call them obsessions) include reading- my mother was a librarian, my father's a publisher, so our house mainly consists of books.
I'm the eldest of six children- my mother's of Irish Catholic heritage, my dad's not religious. Politically, we're all pretty left-wing, although I lean further to the left than most of my family.
I was brought up vegetarian, and have never eaten meat or fish. I can get really, really defensive about being veggie, possibly because I was bullied about it a bit in primary school.
Musically, I'm quite weird. I love the Pogues (hence the wonderfully original username) and more traditional Irish music, but I'm also getting into German punk and metal music, and am experiencing a blossoming love of Rammstein and die Toten Hosen. :kiss:

[Cosmic Charlie]

Cosmic Charlie:

The only thing interestng about me it that I've noticed Rose likes being pregnant.

[Rochir]

Rochir, pseudo would-be imaginary Catholic ;)

Wanna know more about me? - Read my mod application here on WWMC :)

[RadicallyTransformedMom]

hi there!

my name is Karen. I have been married to Michael for almost 11 yrs. (he is my second husband). I have an 18 yr old son Joey, whom i adopted as a 2 mos old baby. Joey has schizo-affective disorder and is in and out of mental hospitals these days and it makes our life extremely stressful. My son Luke just turned 3 in June. He has Autistic spectrum disorder and dyspraxia and spent 15 mos in the Early intervention program with 3 weekly therapists. As of last month he started private therapies and he MIGHT be going to a special school starting the end of August, though i think he is soooo younge to be gone 5 days a week. Luke is JUST starting to say a few words as of this past month...so i have hope now! i was starting to think he wouldn't talk ever. I also have a baby girl, her name is anna and she is 11 wks old. A fussy baby and not a good sleeper..just like my other 2 kids. I am extremely sleep deprived and have been for YEARS!! But i try to stay sane the best i can.

i grew up Catholic, made all my sacraments. Went to Catholic school on and off through my childhood and teen years. I got married at 18 and moved from illinois to Florida because hubby joined the Air Force and got stationed in Tampa. While in Florida i had some JW's at my door. I started studying with them. I spent a year with the JW's until i finally prayed, went to God for answers and saw the errors. That is the point of my conversion and where i turned my life over to God in a big way, it was april of 1991. After that i spent time in many different denominations over the years, too many to remember..searching for "the perfect church". 5 years ago i went back to my roots..the Roman Catholic Church. I spent over 4 yrs there, until the beginning of this year when we went looking for a church with more fellowship and classes for the kids, etc. We have been going to a Nazarene church for like 4-5 mos now, but we still consider ourselves Catholic and will be baptizing our daughter Catholic in September.

My hubby is BIGTIME into politics..i myself dont get into them much..but hubby and i do lean towards being Libertarian.

Thanks for reading my novel..lol

[_Shannon_]

Cosmic Charlie:

The only thing interestng about me it that I've noticed Rose likes being pregnant.
ROFL!! Well- I finally found something I'm good at!

[MikeK]

I'm just Mike. I don't consider myself to be liberal or conservative - I just always want what's best (or easiest) for me. I don't generally like people who self-identify themselves as liberals or conservatives, at least in the Democrat/Republican sense. I'm something of a reformed Conservative I suppose.

I think that someone who likes the Pogues and is learning to like Die Totten Hosen and Ramstein is going backwards. Whenever I see I Die Totten Hosen album listed under "D" in a record store I move it to the "T" section, just because. I think that a formal liberal arts education is a great waste of time and money. I love to read but I'd rather read a dissertation or technical manual than a novel. Right now I'm reading "Neither star Wars nor sanctuary" by Michael E. O'Hanlon and "Handbook of Surface Metrology" by David J Whitehouse. Pageturners, both. I tend to dislike classroom type study. I can't sit still and have about a brazilian hobbies, virtually none of which I can afford to pursue anymore. I am a husband and a father but I'm not a natural at either. I think I have the husbanding down now but it's going to be a long time before I can call myself a good dad. I'm a cradle Catholic who's faith waxes and wanes. I tend not to have any sort of saintly or Marian devotion. I'm just about always in a state of mortal sin. I struggle with many teachings of the Church but I tend to prefer blaming myself for my lack of understanding to deciding that the Church must be wrong. It is very much a "baby goes with the bathwater" thing for me so if I decide finally that the Pope is wrong on any one infallible thing, I guess I'm out. There are several areas now where I simply don't believe he's right. Sooner or later I suppose I'll have to tackle that. I believe in God because as Oliver Wendell Jones of Bloom county fame once said "The universe is too darned orderly to be one big accident!" I like to get up early and stay up late. I drink too much. I invented the typewriter.

[kimber1]

i'm kim, kimber is a nickname from highschool that kind of stuck. i LOATHE being called kimberly so best keep that in mind ;)

i'm on my second and final marriage. :P two sons, 15 and 7.

i'm a CNA at our local hospital/nursinghome. i'm currently going to school to get my RN in hopes of becoming an OR nurse.

i'm pretty boring. i'm a terriblle homebody. once i'm home please do not ask me to go back out anywhere :P i'd rather spend a quiet evening at home watching tv with my family than anything else. i'm hopelessly hooked on LOST, House, Hell's Kitchen, and Prisonbreak, oh and Grey's Anatomy.

i love to read. i'm a huge stephen king fan. love any kind of books with vampires. huge interest lately is books that have religious undertones but mystery/scandal as well.

i was raised first wesleyan, then baptist, then brethern, then baptist then fell away completely. came back to baptist and acouple years ago converted to Catholicism. lots of drama involved in that. long hard road but here i am :) couldn't go anywhere else.

[UberLutheran]

If there is such a thing as an Anglo-Catholic Lutheran -- I'm it.

Socially libertarian, politically liberal -- and the way I practice my faith (so I'm told!) is way conservative! :P

(Though if you happen to believe another way from what I believe, that's perfectly cool by me.)

[Caedmon]

I'm Caedmon. I was raised southern baptist and "converted" to Catholicism a few years ago. I'm single and repulsively zany (note: possible correlation). I'm just sane enough not to require meds. I study German and other useless things. I have a bunch of worthless degrees. I listen to music that noone else listens to. I'm extremely passionate. I'm also a wimp. That pretty much sums it up.

[JasonV]

Hello, I'm Jason.

I grew up watching horror films and stealing candy from a local convenience store.

Then I met a girl in High School and started doing my homework so I didn't feel so dumb (she was an Honor Student).

I was a Mormon, so at 19 I was force-fed Spanish at the Concentration Camp known as the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah. Then they sent me out to California to baptize unsuspecting Roman Catholic immigrants to the "one true Church". While I was out there, I began to seriously doubt the claims of my Church.

I came home, left my church, joined another Mormon sect that taught the "old" Mormon doctrines, and contemplated taking on a second wife.

One day I left all that behind, and began searching. I vacillated between atheism, deism, and theism. Eventually I settled down on Eastern Orthodoxy and my Priest was making arrangements for me to go to Seminary. However, I decided I didn't accept the claims of the Orthodox Church, and returned to my vacillating state between deism and theism. I began attending the Episcopal Church for awhile, and then found the Liberal Catholic Church. I like that I can believe whatever the heck I want, and nobody can flippin tell me I'm going to heck. (Did you notice the Utah cuss words there?)

And here I am.

[MikeK]

Did you notice the Utah cuss words there?

Interesting you say that - my buddy Mormon Joey who I guess has now has become Agnostic Joey went to BYU and was friends w/John Heder (sp?), the kid from Napoleon Dynamite. He showed me their hall video from like 8 years ago, that guy was hilarious. Said "flippin'" alot even back then. He had alot of his dance moves and little vocal quirks that would become NapDyn catchphrases down already at that time.

[JasonV]

That's interesting Mike. I've never been into that guy's comedy much, but a good story anyway.

[HyacinthBouquet]

Hi :wave:

I'm April (my favourite month of the year when my favourite flowers bloom).

I'm here because I got fed up with conservative Catholics telling me what to do and, also, telling me that I was not good enough to call myself a Catholic. (Well, I don't need to now because I go to the Anglican Church. ;) )

If anyone wants to know more, please read my profile. Ta

[RadicallyTransformedMom]

Hello, I'm Jason.

I grew up watching horror films and stealing candy from a local convenience store.

Then I met a girl in High School and started doing my homework so I didn't feel so dumb (she was an Honor Student).

I was a Mormon, so at 19 I was force-fed Spanish at the Concentration Camp known as the Missionary Training Center in Provo, Utah. Then they sent me out to California to baptize unsuspecting Roman Catholic immigrants to the "one true Church". While I was out there, I began to seriously doubt the claims of my Church.

I came home, left my church, joined another Mormon sect that taught the "old" Mormon doctrines, and contemplated taking on a second wife.

One day I left all that behind, and began searching. I vacillated between atheism, deism, and theism. Eventually I settled down on Eastern Orthodoxy and my Priest was making arrangements for me to go to Seminary. However, I decided I didn't accept the claims of the Orthodox Church, and returned to my vacillating state between deism and theism. I began attending the Episcopal Church for awhile, and then found the Liberal Catholic Church. I like that I can believe whatever the heck I want, and nobody can flippin tell me I'm going to heck. (Did you notice the Utah cuss words there?)

And here I am.
wow! very interesting background. So you belong to the actual liberal catholic church huh? i know all about it and its beliefs because i looked into it at one point and almost went. There is a liberal catholic church about a 35 min drive from here. I would still like to stop by some day. I never met anyone who actually belonged!

[Rebekka]

I believe in God because as Oliver Wendell Jones of Bloom county fame once said "The universe is too darned orderly to be one big accident!" I like to get up early and stay up late. I drink too much. I invented the typewriter.
Same here. And well done on that typewriter invention - you must be very well off. :D

What's a liberal arts education in the American sense? Because I'm afraid I have one :sorry: - well I studied a language + literature. It's not a waste of time since there are always jobs in education.


Lots of German speakers here! :thumbsup:

[Rochir]

Lots of German speakers here! :thumbsup:

Wirklich???

[Pogue]

Wirklich???

JA! :cool: *mad grin*

[Caedmon]

Wirklich???
Jein. Ich habe 8+ Semester Deutsch studiert aber bin noch nicht total deutschfliessend. Ich bin nie nach Deutschland geflogen und mache viele Fehler noch. :(

[kimber1]

ach phoeey...


does that count? :sorry: ;)

[MikeK]

What's a liberal arts education in the American sense?

I shouldn't have said "waste of time", because it isn't if that's what you're into. It's not what I'm into. People who aren't like me are wrong :)

Emphasis in a liberal arts school is on history, literature, languages, philosophy, some mathematics, and science. You would earn a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science degree at one. Usually coursework would feature lots of interaction with professors and other students. This is how people become teachers, nurses etc....which is all well and good. Too often people leave with a bechelor's degree, alot of debt, and no real employable skills though.


I tend to prefer textbook type education, as you would see in an engineering school or vocational/technical school. You come here to learn facts, there is little talk of discernment or oppinion. When you leave you're a welder or an engineer or a pilot or whatever - a master of something, a specialist.

[Rebekka]

Ich spreche nur ein bischen Deutsch, aber ich verstehe es ziemlich gut. Mein Mann spricht es sehr gut, er hat Deutsch studiert.

[MikeK]

So then, how are we gonna get those eels out of your hovercraft?

Yeah, I spreche just a tiny bit myself.

[Rebekka]

Emphasis in a liberal arts school is on history, literature, languages, philosophy, some mathematics, and science. You would earn a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science degree at one. Usually coursework would feature lots of interaction with professors and other students. This is how people become teachers, nurses etc....which is all well and good. Too often people leave with a bechelor's degree and no real employable skills though.
Oh, OK. We don't have that type of broad liberal arts here then - it's usually more specialized. I didn't get any science at uni, only literature (modern literature, mostly Dutch, but also world literature), and some philosophy, but that was when I was a classics major. I switched to Dutch later. With a bachelors degree you can't become a teacher over here, you need a masters (nearly done with mine) and then a teaching degree (1 year).

I don't mind your "waste of time" comment.^_^ I know that if you don't go into teaching you'll probably end up unemployed (unless you are lucky to get a job as editor at a literary publishing house - but they are so rare) - so it can be seen as a waste of time from an employment point of view. I see it as useful for your general education though - for me, literature will always be useful because I enjoy it and it teaches me lots of important yet not work-related things. I'm not a practical person (outside the kitchen), I never was.

[JasonV]

Lots of German speakers here! :thumbsup:

The only German I know is what I've picked up watching old news reels of World War II. :(

[Rochir]

JA! :cool: *mad grin*


Wo hast du Deutsch gelernt? ;)

And Rebekka - dein Deutsch ist wirklich gut! Kein Wunder, du kommst ja aus den Niederlanden! ;)

[_Shannon_]

Same here. And well done on that typewriter invention - you must be very well off. :D

What's a liberal arts education in the American sense? Because I'm afraid I have one :sorry: - well I studied a language + literature. It's not a waste of time since there are always jobs in education.


:thumbsup:
I would say that somewhere like St. John's is the epitomy of a liberal education. The purpose of which is to have a free mind :)

The term is used, however, by many to mean any non-science/technology driven education.

[Rochir]

Jein. Ich habe 8+ Semester Deutsch studiert aber bin noch nicht total deutschfliessend. Ich bin nie nach Deutschland geflogen und mache viele Fehler noch. :(

Hey, aber bislang nicht schlecht!:thumbsup:

[Rochir]

ach phoeey...


does that count? :sorry: ;)

:hug:

[JasonV]

I would say that somewhere like St. John's is the epitomy of a liberal education. The purpose of which is to have a free mind :)

The term is used, however, by many to mean any non-science/technology driven education.

I for one believe in education for it's sake. So I have no problem with a good liberal education.

[Pogue]

Wo hast du Deutsch gelernt? ;)

In meiner Oberstufe- ich habe ein A-level gemacht, und jetzt bin ich an der Uni, um Deutsch zu studieren! :tutu:

[Rochir]

In meiner Oberstufe- ich habe ein A-level gemacht, und jetzt bin ich an der Uni, um Deutsch zu studieren! :tutu:

KEWL!!!! :clap:

[Rebekka]

I would say that somewhere like St. John's is the epitomy of a liberal education. The purpose of which is to have a free mind :)

The term is used, however, by many to mean any non-science/technology driven education.
Yeah, that looked really great, St John's! I love learning. The books on that booklist - wow. :swoon:


Danke schön, Rochir! :blush:

[Protinus]

Hey, aber bislang nicht schlecht!:thumbsup:

Ich nicht verstehen sie.:confused:

[Rebekka]

Ich nicht verstehen sie.:confused:
Not bad at all.

[kimber1]

:help: i DEMAND english!!!!^_^

[Loki]

:help: i DEMAND english!!!!^_^

Warum? Deutsch ist der Sprache der Liebe!:kiss:

Ich hab' nur 4 Semester Deutsch studiert, also kann ich nicht so gut sprechen, aber ich lese besser...

Und als ich in Berlin war, woellten die Leute nur Englisch mit mir zu sprechen. Schade.

Sorry if that was horribly incomprehensible.

I used to have... I don't recall if it was Schiller or Goethe, one of the two, as my sig, which would flip certain parts of the site to German whenever I had the last post on the thread. I think CaDan noted this with some amusement. But that was a long time ago.

Recent attempts to stuff the bloody French language into my brain have destroyed a good part of my German capabilities, and any ability I once had to pronounce classical Latin. Singing in church, see "est" I say "ay." Blah.

[Protinus]

Warum? Deutsch ist der Sprache der Liebe!:kiss:

Ich hab' nur 4 Semester Deutsch studiert, also kann ich nicht so gut sprechen, aber ich lese besser...

Und als ich in Berlin war, woellten die Leute nur Englisch mit mir zu sprechen. Schade.

Sorry if that was horribly incomprehensible.

I used to have... I don't recall if it was Schiller or Goethe, one of the two, as my sig, which would flip certain parts of the site to German whenever I had the last post on the thread. I think CaDan noted this with some amusement. But that was a long time ago.

Recent attempts to stuff the bloody French language into my brain have destroyed a good part of my German capabilities, and any ability I once had to pronounce classical Latin. Singing in church, see "est" I say "ay." Blah.

I had german all through HS and 3 years in college. I've forgotten everything. Well, for some reason, when I hear German, I can understand...sometimes quite a bit. But when I read it...it's all lost.:scratch:

I mean I remember ich bin, du bist, ihr ist charts...but that doesn't even but coffee.

[Loki]

I mean I remember ich bin, du bist, ihr ist charts...but that doesn't even but coffee.

wha?

[Protinus]

wha?

buy coffee! sorry:o

[Loki]

Gotcha. i thought perhaps it was some weird slang that not knowing would show how square i truly am

[JasonV]

Do the lyrics from Rammstein count?

[Loki]

While Rammstein lyrics tend to be rather simplistic German, they _are_ indeed german...

[JasonV]

Good. Then I can say: "Du hast mich gefragt, und ich hab nichts gesagt."

Guten Tag.

[Loki]

Ah, and do you know what that lyric means?

[JasonV]

Some of it. "You have asked me, and I something, something something."

I know the lyrics are pretty basic and simple, but Rammstein pulls it off. Something about German and heavy metal music makes even a nursery rhyme sound pretty bad-ace.

[Loki]

"You asked me, and I said nothing"

the question asked is one of the marital vows, IIRC; will you always be faithful, or something like that. been a long time since i've heard the song.

[JasonV]

Interesting. I fake my best attempt at the song sometimes and it makes my 2 year old giggle. She'll walk around the house for hours grumbling "Du Hast!"

[Protinus]

You guys will expand my horizons...I only know Wolfsheim (pretty good electronica) and those vile Scorpions (maybe Nina).:sick:

[MikeK]

I'm not into Rammstein at all, but I recall thinking their song "Rammstein" was pretty badass at one time. I first heard it at a party at a friends appartment, it was on the Lost Highway soundtrack (I have no idea who had it or why), we all thought it was a pretty good party jam - I hadn't heard of them at the time. Same guys used to kick out alot of KMFDM and Ministry and such too - which was okay. The toughest girl I ever saw beat up the prettiest girl I ever saw that night....entertaining enough but you hate to see a beautiful girl with a messed up face. The friend who's appartment we were at went on to become a very successful profesional wrestler. That was the night I peed in a police car. Good times.

[MikeK]

Prot, you'd probably remember Kraftwerk and KMFDM too. I had a crush on Nina when I was like 6. I kinda get chills when she sings "call the troops out in a hurry". The German version is better, but there's just something about the way she sings that one lyric...hot.

[Protinus]

Prot, you'd probably remember Kraftwerk and KMFDM too. I had a crush on Nina when I was like 6. I kinda get chills when she sings "call the troops out in a hurry". The German version is better, but there's just something about the way she sings that one lyric...hot.


that was it, she was just "cute". There were no German punkers. Kraftwerk was too cerebral...or monotonous..."fahren, fahren, fahren auf de autobahn" What the..?

KMFDM? not on the radar...then established electronica that wasn't so Euro (no slight to Europe or others) like Wolfshiem and it was a blessing. But what about those comical Scorpians? It's like they copied Whitesnake and didn't realize that they were a joke.

[MikeK]

But what about those comical Scorpians?

Eh, at least they were better than the USSR's Gorky Park. Commies just can't seem to bring the rock.

[Victrixa]

Hi, I'm Caroline aka Victrixa on the Web.

I'm French-Canadian but really consider myself half and half (Half francophone, half anglophone) because of my upbringing. There are as many anglophones as francophones in my family and environment. I went to English school all my youth as well.

I was brought up Roman Catholic, did all my sacraments. At 17 I converted to Jesus and decided to follow Him as I was touched by His incredible love.

I joined Evangelical Protestant churches for several years. At 33, in 2000, circumstances in my life lead me (and hubby) to revert back to the RCC. Was RCC for 5 years until 2005. Hubby and I were blessed as RCC however we experienced a lot of frustration with her as there were some things we couldn't agree with. Plus, we really needed Christian fellowship, Bible studies, good sermons... Too frustrated and tired to continue on being Catholic, we joined the local Pentecostal church and have been blessed ever since. My mind is at peace, finally!

So, no, I am not Catholic anymore... hope you all still want me here...

However, in my beliefs and practices, I lean towards Lutheranism (more than Catholicism), Anglicanism, Orthodoxy, Messianism and Pentecostalism. Yup. :)

I believe that many Catholics, in my area anyway, are more like Lutherans at heart than RCC (and they don't know!)

I love Israel and everything Hebrew.

I consider myself as a 'modern Victorian'. I love the Victorian era. If I could, I'd dress wearing laced blouses and elegant skirts all the time... I looove tea and drink it by the ton!

I love history, theology, nature, meeting/inviting friends, natural health, animals (am more of a cat person than anything else, lol - I'm crazy about felines).

As for music, classical music, of course, is my favorite. But then, I also love true Gospel music (a la Brooklyn Tabernacle choir). I have this thing for French singer Edith Piaf, whom I believe, is the lady with the most beautiful voice ever.

I love the harp, the piano, the classical guitar, the violin, the saxophone...

I love to write. I write poetry, reflections, articles. I've also started writing theatre pieces.

I love the arts. I'm in an artistic group at my church where we express our love for God through dance and where we want to glorify God through the arts (dance, song, music, theatre).

Oh yeah, I've been married for 15 years now, have no children, own 1 big gorgeous adorable 14 year old cat named Prince (he lives up to his name, lol).

I'm a conservative Christian but not your average one, lol! I like being different!

I'm a night owl. Though I do love the sun, I like rainy and cloudy days. No, I'm not a vampire, lol!

I guess I'll stop here.

[HyacinthBouquet]

Hi, I'm Caroline aka Victrixa on the Web.


Hi :wave:
Nice to meet you. (You look like I did before I got pregnant. Unfortunately I don't look like that anymore.:( )

[Rebekka]

Hi Victrixa! I loooooooooove cats as well!!!!! And Victorian dresses are beautiful! (But not good for your body to wear on a daily basis - too tight around the waist! :swoon: )


I don't like Rammstein: 1. I think it is too loud :sorry: I have a hearing damage (not as a result of listening to loud music). 2. Stupid reason, but a former friend of mine loves Rammstein, and as she is no longer my friend I can't listen to it without thinking of her, and I'd rather not think of her. :sigh:

Actually I can't listen to Kraftwerk (that I used to like, to a degree) anymore either for similar reasons.

But Nena (not Nina) is alright. :)

[CaDan]

The Worst Catholic On the Internet (tm) checks in.

Married, no children, three cats. BA in Economics. Seebs' lawyer. Reads theology for fun.

[Protinus]

Protinus here...and this forum is for all that would come.

Born in Louisville, Kentucky...grew up on horses, sports throughout HS; baptized and confirmed as Disciples of Christ, BS in Zoology in college, coverted to the Church in 1983. grad degree in pub admin and I work in a major teaching hospital. Married, two teenaged boys.

I enjoy saltwater fishing for striped bass, youth basketball coaching and playing organized adult basketball.

I've lost my southern accent but it comes back after two bourbons...I've completely forgotten all of the German I studied.:wave:

[Maynard Keenan]

Present!

[Caedmon]

You guys will expand my horizons...I only know Wolfsheim (pretty good electronica) and those vile Scorpions (maybe Nina).:sick:
Wolfsheim is too 'soft' for me, although I will occasionally listen to And One, Project Pitchfork and others. I prefer Einstürzende Neubauten, Das Ich, Heimataerde, Suicide Commando (he's Belgian but does German stuff), wumpscut, etc.

On another note, Rammstein is nice, but fairly mainstream in Germany, though that doesn't mean they suck. KMFDM still has Sascha Konietzko (or should I say, Konietzko has KMFDM), and is still making pretty good recordings.

[Cat59]

Cat, atheist, married, 2 kids, one 15 who is still an altar server, one 18 who is more like 7 or 8 due to brain damage at birth and who will only go in a church if I promise him a treat. Hubbie serves too.
Family all Catholic as I was for 46 years and still very much culturally connected, by marriage, children and playing in church whenever my friends need a hand (which is often....)
I speak English and English and a smattering of Welsh (hi Pogue- like the flag)- enough to help son2 with his homework.
I lurk here and find it useful...

[Caedmon]

Cat, atheist, married, 2 kids, one 15 who is still an altar server, one 18 who is more like 7 or 8 due to brain damage at birth and who will only go in a church if I promise him a treat. Hubbie serves too.
Family all Catholic as I was for 46 years and still very much culturally connected, by marriage, children and playing in church whenever my friends need a hand (which is often....)
I speak English and English and a smattering of Welsh (hi Pogue- like the flag)- enough to help son2 with his homework.
I lurk here and find it useful...
I seeeee yoooouuuuu, Cat. :kiss: Thanks for my last postcard. :hug:

[Pogue]

I speak English and English and a smattering of Welsh (hi Pogue- like the flag)- enough to help son2 with his homework.
I lurk here and find it useful...

:wave: :wave: :wave:
I hardly speak any Welsh- I can say please, thank you, and I can count to ten. Maybe I'll learn one day!

[Rebekka]

Pogue, looking at the Welsh flag, it does contradict Harry Potter info on dragons, doesn't it? I mean, the dragon on the flag is red, but don't the HP books speak of the Common Welsh Green???

[Pogue]

Pogue, looking at the Welsh flag, it does contradict Harry Potter info on dragons, doesn't it? I mean, the dragon on the flag is red, but don't the HP books speak of the Common Welsh Green???

^_^ You're right, the ancient Welsh were clearly colourblind. Either that, or JK Rowling was WRONG!!!
I don't know whether to admit this, but I'd noticed this before, and it had been bothering me.
Ooh, maybe the dragons evolved? Maybe ancient Wales was red, so they adapted to fit their surroundings? Then it gradually became greener, and so did the dragons!

I'm just talking crazy talk now, aren't I?

[Rebekka]

No, you're not crazy. Jo has made some mistakes before. She's clearly not from Wales. I think the true Common Welsh dragon is red.

(Isn't Hagrid from Wales, or thereabouts? He would know, especially with his love for dragons! Oh, I was sure that he would be killed in Deathly Hallows - I'm so glad that he survived!)

[Pogue]

It's hard to say exactly where Hagrid's from, as his accent keeps changing- using bits from all over the UK. I always got the impression that he was from South-West England, near Bristol, perhaps.

[Rebekka]

It's hard to say exactly where Hagrid's from, as his accent keeps changing- using bits from all over the UK. I always got the impression that he was from South-West England, near Bristol, perhaps.
Oh, OK. I'm not too familiar with British accents, I thought Jo had said in an interview once that he was from Wales - but it could also be that she said that he was from the part of England near Wales. I can't remember her mentioning Bristol though.

Sometimes Hagrid's speech as uttered by Robbie Coltrane reminds me of Dennis Potter's Welsh characters such as Francis Francis from Lipstick on your collar, and Philip Marlow at a young age from The Singing Detective (BTW the adult Philip Marlow was played by Michael Gambon - Dumbledore, and one of the nurses in the hospital where most of the Singing Detective is played, is Imelda Staunton - Dolores Umbridge.)

[Teshi]

My stars and garters. Where did this subforum come from? :D

I know most of y'all, but :wave: to the unfamiliar faces. I'm Teshi. I've been on a year of service with some Franciscans since last August. Just finished up my tour of duty last week.

I teach middle school, and I have on-again, off-again placement of my nieces, but no kids of my own. Two dogs, one horse. I spend most of my free time reading or going on increasingly absurd day trips with friends and family.

This forum looks neat; I'm looking forward to poking around in here. I like Tom Merton, which probably qualfies me for Liberal Catholic residency :D

[Protinus]

My stars and garters. Where did this subforum come from? :D

I know most of y'all, but :wave: to the unfamiliar faces. I'm Teshi. I've been on a year of service with some Franciscans since last August. Just finished up my tour of duty last week.

I teach middle school, and I have on-again, off-again placement of my nieces, but no kids of my own. Two dogs, one horse. I spend most of my free time reading or going on increasingly absurd day trips with friends and family.

This forum looks neat; I'm looking forward to poking around in here. I like Tom Merton, which probably qualfies me for Liberal Catholic residency :D


WWOOOO HOOOO!!!!:wave: :wave:

:bow: :bow:

[Rebekka]

Hi Teshi! :wave:

[CaDan]

My stars and garters. Where did this subforum come from? :D

I know most of y'all, but :wave: to the unfamiliar faces. I'm Teshi. I've been on a year of service with some Franciscans since last August. Just finished up my tour of duty last week.

I teach middle school, and I have on-again, off-again placement of my nieces, but no kids of my own. Two dogs, one horse. I spend most of my free time reading or going on increasingly absurd day trips with friends and family.

This forum looks neat; I'm looking forward to poking around in here. I like Tom Merton, which probably qualfies me for Liberal Catholic residency :D

Hey there!

While I enjoyed your old name, it did have a tendency to mess up columns pretty badly.

[JasonV]

Cat, atheist, married, 2 kids, one 15 who is still an altar server, one 18 who is more like 7 or 8 due to brain damage at birth and who will only go in a church if I promise him a treat. Hubbie serves too.
Family all Catholic as I was for 46 years and still very much culturally connected, by marriage, children and playing in church whenever my friends need a hand (which is often....)
I speak English and English and a smattering of Welsh (hi Pogue- like the flag)- enough to help son2 with his homework.
I lurk here and find it useful...

Welcome Cat59! I'm glad to see any former Catholics here who can offer some friendly insight. Thanks for joining us.


This forum looks neat; I'm looking forward to poking around in here. I like Tom Merton, which probably qualfies me for Liberal Catholic residency :D

Thomas Merton is one of my top 10 favorite authors! Now you tell me he's a liberal? (Just when I thought I was becoming more orthodox.... ;) )

[Teshi]

Hi, Prot! Hi, Rebekka!

Hey there!

While I enjoyed your old name, it did have a tendency to mess up columns pretty badly.

Only if you have a pansy little screen :P

Thomas Merton is one of my top 10 favorite authors! Now you tell me he's a liberal? (Just when I thought I was becoming more orthodox.... ;) )

IMO he's an orthodox liberal :D

I'm currently working my way through his section in the library.

[Protinus]

I'm currently working my way through his section in the library.

I'm currently on "Thoughts in Solitude". I used to visit his grave when I lived in Kentucky and when I had retreats in Gethsemmane. He is my touchstone...can you imagine how he would have changed the world if he had not had the accident?

[Rebekka]

Did you change your screenname to Teshi because of the length of t.a.n.t.c.y.a.l.f.?

[JasonV]

I'm currently on "Thoughts in Solitude". I used to visit his grave when I lived in Kentucky and when I had retreats in Gethsemmane. He is my touchstone...can you imagine how he would have changed the world if he had not had the accident?

My favorite is his "New Seeds of Contemplation".

[Protinus]

Cat, atheist, married, 2 kids, one 15 who is still an altar server, one 18 who is more like 7 or 8 due to brain damage at birth and who will only go in a church if I promise him a treat. Hubbie serves too.
Family all Catholic as I was for 46 years and still very much culturally connected, by marriage, children and playing in church whenever my friends need a hand (which is often....)
I speak English and English and a smattering of Welsh (hi Pogue- like the flag)- enough to help son2 with his homework.
I lurk here and find it useful...
gentle Cat!! I am so pleased!!:wave:

[Victrixa]

Hi Cat! :wave:

[Victrixa]

Funny how struggling, liberal and former Catholics come on this forum... Our roots are all attracting us to each other... (and seems we share common frustrations) :)

[Caedmon]

I'm currently on "Thoughts in Solitude". I used to visit his grave when I lived in Kentucky and when I had retreats in Gethsemmane. He is my touchstone...can you imagine how he would have changed the world if he had not had the accident?
Oh my God. Couldn't you just imagine? The things he could have done, the literature he could have written.

[JasonV]

Funny how struggling, liberal and former Catholics come on this forum... Our roots are all attracting us to each other... (and seems we share common frustrations) :)

That is rather wonderful, isn't it?

[Victrixa]

That is rather wonderful, isn't it?

Yes! Actually, it is quite liberating! :clap:

[Victrixa]

I go to a Pentecostal Church, but I do have this liturgical tendency... or attraction to liturgical worship... which is Jewish and ancient. Jews and Messianics also practice a form of liturgy, liturgy coming from Judaism (or the O.T. times). The Psalms are sooo liturgical, we can see liturgy all over the O.T.

I am attracted to Catholicism, Lutheranism, Anglicanism, the Old Catholic Church, Orthodoxy and the likes. I just can't adhere fully to all of the doctrines of one particular church (or denomination). :)

[boughtwithaprice]

I'm sure most of you know each other fairly well, but there seem to be some new folk, too.

Stand and be counted!

Loki here, married, no children, nor any in the near future, husband currently 9 [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]' time zones away. 24 years of age. Monolingual (aka american), though I can read some German, and speak less, and know a smattering of French, biologist by training, living in foggy California without any pets.

I consider myself an agnostic Catholic who's agnostic about her catholicism. Politically left of center, favorite color green or maybe blue. Enjoying some Quebecois music, for reading, enjoy Dostoevsky, O'Neill, Joyce, Steinbeck, Harry Potter; don't watch movies much... last one i saw in a theater was probably the 4th Harry Potter flick. Much enjoy Futurama, Firefly, Mythbusters, Colbert Report

Born and raised in the Church, self-declared atheist for a decade, sort of meandering back to the Church, and so very thankful for this forum. Being pursued by one of the hounds of heaven (http://www.houndsofheaven.com/thepoem.htm), a kindly and vivacious elderly Dominican who more than deserves the "P" in "O.P."

So thankful to see other scientifically trained Catholic about.
Hi Loki:

Pleased to meet you, and thanks for starting this thread:) Sorry so late in posting, but I guess better late than never.


My name is Jerome. I am married for 15yrs, have two children, ages 10 and 9. I am 44yrs old in a couple of weeks, also monolingual, but can read enough German and Spanish to try and get the jist of what they are saying when I hear it, some Italian too, but I am not fluent in any language but English, and even that is a dubious claim:sorry: . Anesthesiologist by training, living in Maryland, with one dog, a shihtzu named Oreo.

I consider myself a burned out christian. I was born Catholic, became a fundamentalist for 20 yrs and returned home to the Catholic church, when I realized that my forray into fundamentalism was not a grand spiritual quest, but mere rebellion on my part. There is no dichotomy between Catholicism and Christianity as some believe. Catholicism is Christianity as much as anyone else that wishes to follow our Lord Jesus Christ.
My screen name comes from 1 Cor 7:

23. You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.
24. Brethren, each one is to remain with God in that condition in which he was called.

I was Catholic when I was called, and it is Catholic that I shall be. I consider Protestants my brothers and sisters in as much that they wish to serve our Lord with all of their heart.

I consider myself burned out, because I feel as though i have been through everything with no consistancy. I was Cathoic then fundamentalist then Catholic again, but not before I went through about 5 or 6 protestant denominations. I was baptist, plymoth brethren, assembly of God, non-denominational, Nazarene, presbyterian. Arminian to Calvinist, cessationalist to tongue speaker. Politically, I was a right wing Republican, then became Democrat, but consider myself apolitical and disillusioned, but I lean more to the Democratic side at this time.

I have had it with damned fool idealistic crusades; I am spent, the time is over. I have come to this realization 30 yrs too late. 1977 showed a lot more promise than 2007 does, but I will get over it. I just have to figure out what I am supposed to do. I have painted myself into a corner and I am now a slave. What happens when everything that I have worked for in life turns out to be wrong? What's left?

The only thing that I can do, since I still believe in God, is to love God, and love my neighbor as myself. Just trying to figure out how to do that

[HyacinthBouquet]

I have had it with damned fool idealistic crusades; I am spent, the time is over. I have come to this realization 30 yrs too late. 1977 showed a lot more promise than 2007 does, but I will get over it. I just have to figure out what I am supposed to do. I have painted myself into a corner and I am now a slave. What happens when everything that I have worked for in life turns out to be wrong? What's left?

The only thing that I can do, since I still believe in God, is to love God, and love my neighbor as myself. Just trying to figure out how to do that

:hug:

I know how you feel. I've been feeling this way too. I think it must be a mid-life crisis. Maybe the world looks less hopeless to a 20 year old in 2007?

I've lost so much over the past few years (unfortunately none of it was fat). But all we can do is pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and carry on.

Look to the future - things may get better.

[Loki]

The only thing that I can do, since I still believe in God, is to love God, and love my neighbor as myself. Just trying to figure out how to do that

I'm sorry to hear of your troubles, and the only thing I can think of to say is "Love life more than the meaning of life." Can't take credit for the quote, from "a great sinner," and yet a much more holy person than I'll ever be.

[in2Nas]

Hi, my name is Brent.

I do not by what standards if I'm considered a liberal Cathlolic or not, but I do no tconsider myself a traditional one either. I believe Catholism is the overall thuth in Christianity, but I have not seeked communion for many, many years base on my practices and beliefs.

1. I practice birth control. Currently have a 3 year-old son, soon to be 4, and that's about it for now. My wife is a foriegn national who has been left alone with no family twice while I was deployed. A second kid would have made her life much difficult than it already was. Currently I'm station in Korea where they followed me on our own expense. No medical coverage for her. Sorry, NFP isn't worth the risk.

My overall stance on BC is this: We need to adjust our way of life to your social construction, especially to help preserve your marriage and family.

2. Abortion. My wife had one when we first got married. A medical problem was discovered very early, so an operation had to be done in order to save her life. Well, she's alive now and she able to give birth later on. Been on the this site for a couple of years and I'm exhausted from talking about. Nobody really says anything after I tell the story or PM me about. Usually it's an "Oh...ok."

Still looking for a Catholic for me to talk to who was in the same position as me and let their wife die.

[Loki]

Hi, my name is Brent.

I do not by what standards if I'm considered a liberal Cathlolic or not, but I do no tconsider myself a traditional one either. I believe Catholism is the overall thuth in Christianity, but I have not seeked communion for many, many years base on my practices and beliefs.

1. I practice birth control. Currently have a 3 year-old son, soon to be 4, and that's about it for now. My wife is a foriegn national who has been left alone with no family twice while I was deployed. A second kid would have made her life much difficult than it already was. Currently I'm station in Korea where they followed me on our own expense. No medical coverage for her. Sorry, NFP isn't worth the risk.

My overall stance on BC is this: We need to adjust our way of life to your social construction, especially to help preserve your marriage and family.

2. Abortion. My wife had one when we first got married. A medical problem was discovered very early, so an operation had to be done in order to save her life. Well, she's alive now and she able to give birth later on. Been on the this site for a couple of years and I'm exhausted from talking about. Nobody really says anything after I tell the story or PM me about. Usually it's an "Oh...ok."

Still looking for a Catholic for me to talk to who was in the same position as me and let their wife die.

Hi Brent, how's Korea?

BC seems to be the most ubiquitous complaint that we "Liberal Catholics" have. My personal views on the subject are fairly strong, and that it's immoral to bring children into the world that one cannot/will not support and raise.

Also, I hope you never find a Catholic who chose to allow his wife to die in childbirth. I mean, it _is_ the 21st century.

Your wife looks Korean, no? (Adopted from S.Korea, but I look like an Asian mutt according to Koreans)

Anyway, welcome to our little haunt, and I hope you find the discussion welcoming and edifying.