*This* is the problem with "New CF"

[GreenMunchkin]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times. It's sort of the atheistic/humanist counter-point to CF, and they HATE us. Or, rather, used to. I was just reading a thread that got closed down that stated IIDB was where an awful lot of campaigning for non-Christian staff was done, so I went to check.

I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=172452) thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

IIDB is *rife* with blasphemy and mockery and having people with a foot in both camps is spiritually and Biblically wrong. It's worse than wrong. It fundamentally highlights *exactly* how screwed up this whole thing is and I honestly feel a little sick.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.

[GreenMunchkin]

The direct link doesn't work... so here's the URL: http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=172452

And if that doesn't work, here's the direct pathway:

IIDB (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php) > IIDB Philosophical Forums (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=4) > General Religious Discussions (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=54) http://www.iidb.org/vbb/images/001/misc/navbits_finallink.gif (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=172452) Internet Infidels deconverts: the asymmetry of conversion at IIDB

[MMXII]

I believe you must be a member at IIDB to see any post there.

[GreenMunchkin]

No, you can view all posts as a guest.

[MMXII]

Ah, then the problem must be on my end.

[SredniVashtar]

No, you cannot view all posts as a guest, some forums are "hidden" to guests. ~~Elsewhere~~ is one of those forums. ~~E~~ is where the thread dedicated to CF griping and CF camraderie is located. You need to register and then you can access the forums that are normally hidden from guest users.

[GreenMunchkin]

Seriously? Because the stuff you can see as a guest is *hideous*, and it gets worse if you're a member?

Don't even know what to say.

[MMXII]

It is for "Internet Infidels".

[CyberPaladin]

Ah, then the problem must be on my end.

I'm also getting the error message MMXII they might have taken the page down if it makes them look really bad and they know we are linking to it. I just did a little lurking on that board and I had know idea there was such an organized effort against us.

[GreenMunchkin]

It's still there. Along with threads supporting paedophilia and bestiality and a world of blasphemy. We actually share members and mods. If anyone can explain how that's not an affront to God, I'd be grateful, but as things stand, am thinking up ways to destroy the internet.

[MMXII]

It's still there. Along with threads supporting paedophilia and bestiality and a world of blasphemy. We actually share members and mods. If anyone can explain how that's not an affront to God, I'd be grateful, but as things stand, am thinking up ways to destroy the internet.
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[CyberPaladin]

Actually I would say that might be source cause of the unrest. But the actaul problem is that CF has given in to unbelievers demands.

[Joykins]

Since you asked.

I only went to IIDB because I was invited there by a member here who is a friend. I was a member here first. I really only posted on the CF thread there at first. I didn't really want to go to an atheist site because I knew the site was not for religious people. However, some folks that are here do apologetics in the religion forums on IIDB also, and from time to time I stick my toe into those waters, but they're pretty hostile waters.

~~Elsewhere~~ is where IIDB mods move threads having to do with other forums and other silliness or derailments. It's kind of like their basement. The CF thread is about other forums so it got moved there and stayed around forever. When CF did not allow much open discussion of policy or mod actions, a lot of it went to IIDB's CF thread.

Is the CF thread a horrible place? I have seen a lot of both good and bad there, I guess. I like most of the people there or I wouldn't hang out there--but I like most people so there ya go ^_^ --some are Christian, some are not, some are nice and some are not, some are liberal, some are not (ask drstevej :P )--but my presence should not be taken for agreement with everything anyone says there. I stand by my own words only. When I was Ombudsman and felt compelled to play CF politics I found the information there also valuable.

ETA: I am also interested in why people deconvert from Christianity, in the sense that if there's anything we can do to prevent it, I want to know that.

[Albion]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times. It's sort of the atheistic/humanist counter-point to CF, and they HATE us. Or, rather, used to. I was just reading a thread that got closed down that stated IIDB was where an awful lot of campaigning for non-Christian staff was done, so I went to check.

I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/t172452) thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

IIDB is *rife* with blasphemy and mockery and having people with a foot in both camps is spiritually and Biblically wrong. It's worse than wrong. It fundamentally highlights *exactly* how screwed up this whole thing is and I honestly feel a little sick.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.

GM, this is stunning info that you should bring to our attention IMO. Can you name names, if they are people we normally deal with on the usual denominational forums, for example. In doing that, I would ask that you exclude any who have not actually posted something mocking or to the effect of being happy to have led people away, etc., in view of Joykins' contention that some may be there without intending to work against us.

[Sothron]

GM, this is stunning info that you should bring to our attention IMO. Can you name names, if they are people we normally deal with on the usual denominational forums, for example. In doing that, I would ask that you exclude any who have not actually posted something mocking or to the effect of being happy to have led people away, etc., in view of Joykins' contention that some may be there without intending to work against us.

I agree with Albion. How can one possibly represent a site supposedly about Christ and also represent a site that denounces His existence let alone His divinity? :doh:

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times. It's sort of the atheistic/humanist counter-point to CF, and they HATE us. Or, rather, used to. I was just reading a thread that got closed down that stated IIDB was where an awful lot of campaigning for non-Christian staff was done, so I went to check.

I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=172452) thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

IIDB is *rife* with blasphemy and mockery and having people with a foot in both camps is spiritually and Biblically wrong. It's worse than wrong. It fundamentally highlights *exactly* how screwed up this whole thing is and I honestly feel a little sick.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.
I'm feeling a little ill about this myself. :sick: I won't even stick my foot in there though cause I just end up getting angry.

Thanks for bringing it our attention GM because I think we need to be aware of it. :hug:

PS. That option to put certain people on your "ignore" list does wonders GM...you should try it! ;) :hug:

[CyberPaladin]

Probably best if you don't go there Lady I did it was what I expected from a bucnh athesist with an axe to grind against Christians.:hug: :hug:

I do have to respectfully disagree with you about using the block mostly because I like to an eye on those that have opinions counter to my own just something to think about.:hug: :hug:

[WannaWitness]

Ewww! I shudder at the very thought of such a forum! :(

[GreenMunchkin]

Plus, can't put a mod on ignore. Ravenscape is both a mod there, and a recently democratically appointed mod here. I heard CaDan is a mod there, but I couldn't see his name. Seebs is a mod there, and he's the same guy that created UberChristians which is even worse than IIDB, because it pretends to be a Christian site. Lots and lots of disgruntled CFers went there when it was more conservative, and apparently Uber was another place with a whole load of back-room campaigning.

IIDB also has a mod called SphericalTime who is here. As to particular people, I didn't stay long enough to look. Spending 2 minutes there makes you feel toxic.

You know, they pretty much own CF now. We ought to go there en masse and make *that* a Christian Forum. What's good for the goose n all that. Plus, from this (http://www.christianforums.com/t5714712) thread, we have the post I've quoted below, from an Admin. So obviously it's a foregone conclusion that this place is gonna continue to sink further and further into apostasy. We're all gonna need a new home, anyway.

It will not affect the high regard both of my new members of staff are held in. To be frank no matter how much you moan and complain, the new staff will not be removed and more Non-Christians will follow.

To be perfectly honest, no one forces anyone to be here, we all have free will and we all have the little x in the corner of our screens. If I don't like a place, then I leave. What is the point in staying somwhere that causes you so much angst and upset.

[~*Lady Trekki*~]

Probably best if you don't go there Lady I did it was what I expected from a bucnh athesist with an axe to grind against Christians.:hug: :hug:

I do have to respectfully disagree with you about using the block mostly because I like to an eye on those that have opinions counter to my own just something to think about.:hug: :hug:
That's true CP...but I've noticed that certain members posts are almost always the same. So for my own peace of mind I've blocked them from my view. What's nice though is that you can check out any of their posts if you think they may have posted something you need to read. I'm sorry, I know that seems rude...but if it wasn't an option I probably wouldn't be able to handle some of the threads I've been involved in recently. :)

[Albion]

Ravenscape is both a mod there, and a recently democratically appointed mod here. I heard CaDan is a mod there, but I couldn't see his name. Seebs is a mod there, and he's the same guy that created UberChristians which is even worse than IIDB....
IIDB also has a mod called SphericalTime who is here.

Thanks, GM.

(To be clear, the highlighting above was my doing)

It also occurs to me that only those who use the same identity and name on both forums would be open to our finding out, right? There may well be others whom we can't identify.

[CyberPaladin]

That's true CP...but I've noticed that certain members posts are almost always the same. So for my own peace of mind I've blocked them from my view. What's nice though is that you can check out any of their posts if you think they may have posted something you need to read. I'm sorry, I know that seems rude...but if it wasn't an option I probably wouldn't be able to handle some of the threads I've been involved in recently. :)

Actualy Lady if I had figured out how to active the block feature sooner I might actualy use it some now but by the time I did I had been insulted so many times already that it had gotten to point that it doesn't bother me anymore.:cool:

[KarenJoy]

I'm sorry to be blunt but if people are unhappy here why keep coming back? Isn't there anything postive and encouraging on C F that we can be thankful for?

[Sothron]

I'm sorry to be blunt but if people are unhappy here why keep coming back?

The same reason nonbelievers would want to be moderators on a site about something they profess not to believe?

[Joykins]

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Thanks, GM.

(To be clear, the highlighting above was my doing)

It also occurs to me that only those who use the same identity and name on both forums would be open to our finding out, right? There may well be others whom we can't identify.

There's a link to a list at the first post of the CF thread there. It isn't exactly a closely held secret.

[Sothron]

I'm sorry to be blunt but if people are unhappy here why keep coming back? Isn't there anything postive and encouraging on C F that we can be thankful for?

If you had asked me the last question before this "reform" I could give you an answer that would not be sarcastic. Sadly only a sarcastic jab can be offered at this time so I refrain from answering.

[GreenMunchkin]

I'm sorry to be blunt but if people are unhappy here why keep coming back? Isn't there anything postive and encouraging on C F that we can be thankful for?Yep, there are good things. Shopping for the dollies is nice; attracts the punters, too :) And allowing non-Christians to post everywhere (although, that's also now been rescinded) is/was a lovely step. The rest, though, ranges from ridiculous to outright unBiblical.

People stay for any number of reasons, but it can probably be boiled down to 3 main ones: they support this mess; they have invested so much time and feeling into this place, they can't bring themselves to leave; they see the dangers of this and wish to stay in order to ensure the forum doesn't slide even further.

Apologies for being "negative", but discovering CF now has staff in common with IIDB was note-worthy.

[Chococat]

I agree this is all very disturbing. ^_^ IMO it is wrong to allow nonbelievers to be mods on a Christian site though they should be welcomed as members.

[Davidnic]

I'm sorry to be blunt but if people are unhappy here why keep coming back? Isn't there anything postive and encouraging on C F that we can be thankful for?

Honestly, I am here becuase I am trying to make sure this site does not allow the promotion of Abortion. I am fighting for that in the Wiki.

But honestly this rules wiki process is just a joke and will take forever.

Many people are trying to decide if they will stay. They are giving it a good fight to give a voice to what they believe in. And since in every poll....every measure...the conservative/traditional voice wins, that proves this is not democracy.

Conservative option wins then.... A Poll is closed. A Wiki "re-organized"

Or the opposite is simply done even though the people give their voice. If it was funny it would be a joke.

But people are staying becuse:

They are trying, for now.
Because as long as this site claims to be Christian young Christians will come here and people are fighting for them.
Many people, good people we love are here. Staff and non-staff. Trying to do the right thing.Do we have high hopes? No. But the narrow path is not a path of worldly hopes.

Do we have the highest...in our Lord. Yes.

And when people feel that we are not called to participte here anymore (and more and more are everyday) we will leave.

There is only so much people can take (Paraphrasing here)..."have any opinion you want, anyone at all. It's all good....as long as it is our opinion. If you do not...well....you are judging us and not trying to help the site so just leave."

I know you did not say that, but others have.

I will not call cold grey conformity in apathy over sin....unity. I will not call relativism Christian ethics.

[Davidnic]

Apologies for being "negative", but discovering CF now has staff in common with IIDB was note-worthy.

Note-worthy but not surprising sadly.

[Davidnic]

Let me add that many will leave and many will stay, as they feel God's will. Bear no one ill will, but only love. In that as well speak so your voice is heard. If you are ignored, then you are. But speak out in love and charity...but strongly.

[KarenJoy]

[QUOTE=GreenMunchkin;37003345]Yep, there are good things. Shopping for the dollies is nice; attracts the punters, too :) And allowing non-Christians to post everywhere (although, that's also now been rescinded) is/was a lovely step. The rest, though, ranges from ridiculous to outright unBiblical.

People stay for any number of reasons, but it can probably be boiled down to 3 main ones: they support this mess; they have invested so much time and feeling into this place, they can't bring themselves to leave; they see the dangers of this and wish to stay in order to ensure the forum doesn't slide even further.

I want to say one thing. Erwin has encouraged Christians to be involved in process of submitting ideas which are discussed in the Wilki's and thus become Rules and will ensure that individual forums remain Christian. This is a postive contribution which I would encourage us all to make.

[NewGuy101]

Eh, I bet the "liberal" Christains would feel right a home there.

[Chococat]

Honestly, I am here becuase I am trying to make sure this site does not allow the promotion of Abortion. I am fighting for that in the Wiki.

But honestly this rules wiki process is just a joke and will take forever.

Many people are trying to decide if they will stay. They are giving it a good fight to give a voice to what they believe in. And since in every poll....every measure...the conservative/traditional voice wins, that proves this is not democracy.

Conservative option wins then.... A Poll is closed. A Wiki "re-organized"

Or the opposite is simply done even though the people give their voice. If it was funny it would be a joke.

But people are staying becuse:

They are trying, for now.
Because as long as this site claims to be Christian young Christians will come here and people are fighting for them.
Many people, good people we love are here. Staff and non-staff. Trying to do the right thing.Do we have high hopes? No. But the narrow path is not a path of worldly hopes.

Do we have the highest...in our Lord. Yes.

And when people feel that we are not called to participte here anymore (and more and more are everyday) we will leave.

There is only so much people can take (Paraphrasing here)..."have any opinion you want, anyone at all. It's all good....as long as it is our opinion. If you do not...well....you are judging us and not trying to help the site so just leave."

I know you did not say that, but others have.

I will not call cold grey conformity in apathy over sin....unity. I will not call relativism Christian ethics.

Same here brother.:thumbsup: Plus the fact that I love my little cyberkitty Belle and don't want to give her up:D ;)

[Debi1967]

I am Straight_Shooter over at IIDB

I am and have been self banned by my own desire for over a year from there. I did stay there for a few months when I was having a crisis in my Faith.

I was invited there actually to see exactly how the mods were complaining about me behind my back on that forum and I wanted to see for myself.

This caused much rife for me and I have to say it was one of the members there that told me I didn't belong there because of what IIDB was and that it was not good for my spiritual health. He encouraged me to return to my Church which I did and I self banned myself from being further involved in IIDB from that point on.

You are quite correct in assuming that many members there in ~E~ are also cross members of CF and that in fact many of them even before this happened were as high as Supervisors and Administrators. And still are btw.

You did however have to careful what you said there because they often used anything you said negatively over there against you here by use of what is called the "clipping service". Also Erwin himself is a member there.

[GreenMunchkin]

I want to say one thing. Erwin has encouraged Christians to be involved in process of submitting ideas which are discussed in the Wilki's and thus become Rules and will ensure that individual forums remain Christian. This is a postive contribution which I would encourage us all to make.Ok, let's assume for a second that the idea of even having to participate in a wiki *wasn't* ludicrous, you're staff, so you must know how it's been going. The people who set the rules aren't necessarily the ones whose interests are in Uniting All Christians as One Body. The people who set the rules are the ones who have greater numbers, speak louder and have more stamina. Some of those wiki discussions are close to rolling into a second thread. Honestly, would you have the stamina/strength to do it?

Bear in mind, many Christians are already feeling shoddily treated, to say the least. It doesn't exactly foster a work ethic. Particularly when you'll be struggling for days and weeks, embroiled in verbal fisticuffs, just to assure that blasphemy isn't allowed on a site called ChristianForums?

That brings us to the point that Christianity is Truth. It's not a democratically decided political entity. There is only One Way, and Jesus is it, so this relativism nonsense is already negating so much of what we know to be the Truth.

It's a rotten foundation with piles of crap on top. Can't blame people for not wanting to get involved in that, only to be shouted out, anyway.

[Chococat]

No disrespect to anyone but what exactly is a leader of a Christian site doing posting on a demonic site like that?:sigh: :confused:

[GreenMunchkin]

Also Erwin himself is a member there. *speechless*

[ContentInHim]

Maybe he's having his own crisis of faith? :scratch:

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[Debi1967]

I told all of you I have made some serious mistakes in my time I was not kidding :D

I am just a sinner like the rest of you and thank God every day that he forgives me ....

[KarenJoy]

I''ve tried to explain this only way i know how but obviously your minds are made up. Sorry I tried.

[Tonks]

~E~ was around a long time before the current CF silliness.

[ContentInHim]

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[Debi1967]

Ok, let's assume for a second that the idea of even having to participate in a wiki *wasn't* ludicrous, you're staff, so you must know how it's been going. The people who set the rules aren't necessarily the ones whose interests are in Uniting All Christians as One Body. The people who set the rules are the ones who have greater numbers, speak louder and have more stamina. Some of those wiki discussions are close to rolling into a second thread. Honestly, would you have the stamina/strength to do it?

Bear in mind, many Christians are already feeling shoddily treated, to say the least. It doesn't exactly foster a work ethic. Particularly when you'll be struggling for days and weeks, embroiled in verbal fisticuffs, just to assure that blasphemy isn't allowed on a site called ChristianForums?

That brings us to the point that Christianity is Truth. It's not a democratically decided political entity. There is only One Way, and Jesus is it, so this relativism nonsense is already negating so much of what we know to be the Truth.

It's a rotten foundation with piles of crap on top. Can't blame people for not wanting to get involved in that, only to be shouted out, anyway.
No I can't blame you and there are days I have truly been so dog tired in my attempts to get things done myself only to have people ignore anything I just said as even plausible as a solution to be even considered.

I feel sometimes that I am a very lone person fighting for God. I also feel now that because of some comments made by the sites owner that because I am conservative why should I even try anymore because people see me as conservative and that is all they see. They see me as an enemy now. They see me as the one working for the devil simply because I want to uphold good solid Christian values morals and traditions on this site.

[Debi1967]

~E~ was around a long time before the current CF silliness.
Yes and I have been there as they have talked about how to do this and that on the site in order to garner their own way and most of them are liberals

[GreenMunchkin]

~E~ was around a long time before the current CF silliness.Yeah but the current silliness allows for an unprecendented amount of cross-over, where there should be absolutely none.

Literally light and dark co-existing under one cyber roof.

Erwin's being a member of IIDB is a shock, too.

[Tonks]

I'd venture to guess that Erwin hasn't posted there in years. He had expressed his rank displeasure with ~E~ / IIDB in general in the old staff CR some time ago.

[SunMessenger]

No disrespect to anyone but what exactly is a leader of a Christian site doing posting on a demonic site like that?:sigh: :confused:
You must be kidding. If that is true then that frosts the cake for me.I can not believe that. There must be some misunderstanding.

[Debi1967]

I'd venture to guess that Erwin hasn't posted there in years. He had expressed his rank displeasure with ~E~ / IIDB in general in the old staff CR some time ago.
He is still isted in the active membership or was when I was there and had no problem with those that went there to complain about CF also using it as a clipping service so that people could spy on one another is that christian?

[Debi1967]

You must be kidding. If that is true then that frosts the cake for me.I can not believe that. There must be some misunderstanding.
No misunderstanding

[SunMessenger]

I'd venture to guess that Erwin hasn't posted there in years. He had expressed his rank displeasure with ~E~ / IIDB in general in the old staff CR some time ago.
I remember that and that is why I think there must be a misunderstanding. That would be too inconsistent to understand. The site would not be the issue the contradiction would be the problem for me.

[Annabel Lee]

I'd venture to guess that Erwin hasn't posted there in years. He had expressed his rank displeasure with ~E~ / IIDB in general in the old staff CR some time ago.

He has never posted in the Elsewhere thread or anywhere else on the forum.

[Debi1967]

He has never posted in the Elsewhere thread or anywhere else on the forum.
That you have seen since you have been a member which was not since the inception of ~E~

[Sothron]

*speechless*

x 2.

[Debi1967]

Spherical Time has often referenced to the time when Erwin used to post there and come to visit the site

[Annabel Lee]

That you have seen since you have been a member which was not since the inception of ~E~

I have been a member since the the starting of Elsewhere.
2002, I think it was.

[Melethiel]

The site as a whole is disgusting, but there are some decent folks which hang out in ~E~.


Yes, I post in ~E~.

[Annabel Lee]

Spherical Time has often referenced to the time when Erwin used to post there and come to visit the site

I think you are confused.

[Debi1967]

I have been a member since the the starting of Elsewhere.
2002, I think it was.
Then you would be in direct contradiction with the sites owner who is Spherical Time .... Remember I am self banned which means I can still sign in and access my account in order to garner Spherical talking about ERwin posting on IIDB and visiting it.

[SunMessenger]

He has never posted in the Elsewhere thread or anywhere else on the forum.
I would tend to believe that . It would not make sense if he did, to me anyway.

[Annabel Lee]

Then you would be in direct contradiction with the sites owner who is Spherical Time .... Remember I am self banned which means I can still sign in and access my account in order to garner Spherical talking about ERwin posting on IIDB and visiting it.

Spherical Time is not the site owner.

[Debi1967]

The site as a whole is disgusting, but there are some decent folks which hang out in ~E~.


Yes, I post in ~E~.
So you post on a known site ( remembering that I used to post there too but also remembering why I left) that advances things that are Counter to Christianity?

[Debi1967]

Spherical Time is not the site owner.
Head Admin excuse me

I was too busy talking about Erwin it carried over to Spherical

[Annabel Lee]

So you post on a known site ( remembering that I used to post there too but also remembering why I left) that advances things that are Counter to Christianity?

The Elsewhere thread advances no such thing, so stop spreading false information.

And who are YOU to question where someone chooses to post?

[Annabel Lee]

Head Admin excuse me

I was too busy talking about Erwin it carried over to Spherical

Maybe you should be more careful.

[Melethiel]

So you post on a known site ( remembering that I used to post there too but also remembering why I left) that advances things that are Counter to Christianity?
I did post for a while in the religion forums doing apologetics type stuff, but I'm not big on debate.
Stuff I discuss ~E~ tends to be discussing/defending/clarifying Theology issues which get brought up there, and light chat type stuff. The ~E~ thread tends to be more light chat than anything else.

Posting on an atheist site no more makes me an infidel than an atheist posting here suddenly becomes Christian.

[Debi1967]

The Elsewhere thread advances no such thing, so stop spreading false information.

And who are YOU to question where someone chooses to post?
It doesn't then tell me what does it foster when all of you are talking about how bad CF is all the time? When you all think that you know what is best for CF and you are not in the majority here and that is what has caused now so much chaos?

Because when I was there that was the main topic of conversation by not only members of CF but also the mods and Admins that talked there.

[GreenMunchkin]

Maybe you should be more careful.People make mistakes when threads are going fast.

The issue isn't even Erwin being a member there. It's a shock, but now this is getting to the point where it's fast becoming a straw man.

The issue is the amount of cross-over which was unknown up until now. It's unbelievable, and fundamentally wrong.

[Debi1967]

I did post for a while in the religion forums doing apologetics type stuff, but I'm not big on debate.
Stuff I discuss ~E~ tends to be discussing/defending/clarifying Theology issues which get brought up there, and light chat type stuff. The ~E~ thread tends to be more light chat than anything else.

Posting on an atheist site no more makes me an infidel than an atheist posting here suddenly becomes Christian.
Well then please enlighten us because then it has indeed changed since I was there, because those were not the topics of of convo over there at the time I was there and that I partook in

[Debi1967]

People make mistakes when threads are going fast.

The issue isn't even Erwin being a member there. It's a shock, but now this is getting to the point where it's fast becoming a straw man.

The issue is the amount of cross-over which was unknown up until now. It's unbelievable, and fundamentally wrong.


Thank you greenmunchkin

[GreenMunchkin]

Posting on an atheist site no more makes me an infidel than an atheist posting here suddenly becomes Christian.It's not atheist so much as anti-theist, and vile. Threads pushing paedophilia and bestiality? Out and out blashemy?

When it's a question of light vs. dark, minimizing the dark doesn't alter how dark it actually is.

[Annabel Lee]

It doesn't then tell me what does it foster when all of you are talking about how bad CF is all the time? When you all think that you know what is best for CF and you are not in the majority here and that is what has caused now so much chaos?

Because when I was there that was the main topic of conversation by not only members of CF but also the mods and Admins that talked there.

Who is this 'you' that you keep speaking of?

I stopped playing the CF politics game a long time ago.

Not you though. What's your game plan? Are you here in the Conservative forum to garner votes to become a moderator?

[GraceInHim]

I see that many are focused on iidb or uberchristians as to the campaigning of cf changes or as sites which are disgusting and so forth..

but many of you do not know the hidden sites which others had behind cf and not open to anyone whom was not within the circle of trust.

Yes, I was once in the circle and behaved very badly as so did many others (whom will still remain confidential) - they know who they are.. there was also a campaign on those other hidden forums to change cf or look at people's icons and witch-hunt against them, can go on and on..

Because IIDB is open to all too view, many think this is the only source out there when in fact there is hidden ones.. watch out for the quiet ones.

The very same people whom were against each other during the protestant protest against catholics, last May 2006 are getting along now on CF :) .. seems something is coming out good over the new change at CF.

[Debi1967]

I will not defend what I know to be fundamentally wrong so that you all have a place where you feel that you can go and slight others behind peoples backs just tell us to ours faces how you feel about us already!

[Rochir]

There is a forum that people refer to as ~E~ which, for people who don't know, stands for IIDB; Internet Infidels. It's a horrible, horrible place, and I've only ever managed to spend a few minutes there about 3 times.

Hmmmmm ... you managed to garner such profound, indepth insight into IIDB from three short visits?

Are you a speed reader? Because, IIDB has a lot of fora, just like CF, and a lot of diverse people!

I'm certain you would DESPISE anyone rendering such HARD and UNJUST jusdgement after three short visits to CF?:scratch:

[Debi1967]

Who is this 'you' that you keep speaking of?

I stopped playing the CF politics game a long time ago.

Not you though. What's your game plan? Are you here in the Conservative forum to garner votes to become a moderator?
I cannot become a moderator any longer

I assumed my position back as Editrix

Since I have done this the rules in the Wikipedia Section directly state that if I hold that position I cannot hold a role on Staff at the same time .... So there goes your theory out the window

[Rochir]

I don't even know why I'm bothering to post this cos, inevitably, someone will sweep in and justify it somehow, and I don't want this to turn into a debate, or an argument. I just feel very, very sad.

Yaaah, don't ya just HATE people forming their own opinions, and oh jolly, they might even differ with yours???:eek: :eek: :eek:

[GreenMunchkin]

Hmmmmm ... you managed to garner such profound, indepth insight into IIDB from three short visits?Yep

Are you a speed reader? Because, IIDB has a lot of fora, just like CF, and a lot of diverse people!Go to the relevant ones, look at thread titles. That's all it takes.

I'm certain you would DESPISE anyone rendering such HARD and UNJUST jusdgement after three short visits to CF?:scratch:I'd probably agree with them :)

[Annabel Lee]

I cannot become a moderator any longer

I assumed my position back as Editrix

Since I have done this the rules in the Wikipedia Section directly state that if I hold that position I cannot hold a role on Staff at the same time .... So there goes your theory out the window

Just trying to figure out your motives.

[Debi1967]

Just trying to figure out your motives.
My motives are for keeping this site Christian that is all

[porterross]

Fear not, fellow saints. Christ has given us words of comfort to face the hatred of this world that He first faced and overcame. We are safe in His arms and victory is ours through Him. :pray:





John 15:18-27

18"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.
19"If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, because of this the world hates you.
20"Remember the word that I said to you, 'A slave is not greater than his master ' If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they kept My word, they will keep yours also.
21"But all these things they will do to you for My name's sake, because they do not know the One who sent Me.
22"If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.
23"He who hates Me hates My Father also.
24"If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.
25"But they have done this to fulfill the word that is written in their Law, 'THEY HATED ME WITHOUT A CAUSE.'
26"When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,
27and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.


:crossrc: Amen.

[Annabel Lee]

I will not defend what I know to be fundamentally wrong so that you all have a place where you feel that you can go and slight others behind peoples backs just tell us to ours faces how you feel about us already!
Quit the drama queening.
And who is 'us'?

I like most people on Christian Forums.

[CaDan]

Hi!

Your friendly neighborhood ~E~ mod popping in here!

It seems there are a lot of concerns and a lot of misunderstandings about the CF threads at IIDB. Rather than trying to go back over this thread and respond to everything, I'll just throw the floor open to questions, which I will answer to the best of my ability.

s/ rigorist
Moderator ~E~ & WE&GP.

[Debi1967]

Quit the drama queening.
And who is 'us'?

I like most people on Christian Forums.
Seems the site's owner did not quite agree with you when he put up a huge post about Conservative Christians being the devil

[Rochir]

Plus, can't put a mod on ignore. Ravenscape is both a mod there, and a recently democratically appointed mod here. I heard CaDan is a mod there, but I couldn't see his name. Seebs is a mod there, and he's the same guy that created UberChristians which is even worse than IIDB, because it pretends to be a Christian site. Lots and lots of disgruntled CFers went there when it was more conservative, and apparently Uber was another place with a whole load of back-room campaigning.

IIDB also has a mod called SphericalTime who is here. As to particular people, I didn't stay long enough to look. Spending 2 minutes there makes you feel toxic.

You know, they pretty much own CF now. We ought to go there en masse and make *that* a Christian Forum. What's good for the goose n all that. Plus, from this (http://www.christianforums.com/t5714712) thread, we have the post I've quoted below, from an Admin. So obviously it's a foregone conclusion that this place is gonna continue to sink further and further into apostasy. We're all gonna need a new home, anyway.



Wooooooaaaaaaaaah, you really, REALLY have a disagreement there on your hands, eh?:wave:

Oh and ... people know who they are here AND there! Can you claim the same for CF?:scratch:

[Debi1967]

BTW before everyone jumps on CaDan he was the one who told me for my own spirituality and own well being to return to the Church and lay off of ~E~ because it was not doing me any good

So please don't jump on him too hard ....

Also I have worked with him continually now for almost two yrs on the Wiki project and when nobody else would give me a chance he did. He was the only one that thought I had the right stuff for the job and took a lot of flack over it too .....

[Melethiel]

It's not atheist so much as anti-theist, and vile. Threads pushing paedophilia and bestiality? Out and out blashemy?

When it's a question of light vs. dark, minimizing the dark doesn't alter how dark it actually is.
Well, like I said, I consider the site as a whole to be quite nasty. I only post in the one thread ~E~.

[Annabel Lee]

Hi!

Your friendly neighborhood ~E~ mod popping in here!

It seems there are a lot of concerns and a lot of misunderstandings about the CF threads at IIDB. Rather than trying to go back over this thread and respond to everything, I'll just throw the floor open to questions, which I will answer to the best of my ability.

s/ rigorist
Moderator ~E~ & WE&GP.

*raises hand*

"Excuse me, Mr. Devil-Worshipping site moderator, is it true that IIDB mods get together every other Thursday to barbeque kitties and discuss plans for world domination?"

Seriously, I gotta go out now. Have fun, Moderator of All That is Unholy.:wave:

[GreenMunchkin]

Well, like I said, I consider the site as a whole to be quite nasty. I only post in the one thread ~E~.Honestly, no-one has any right to question where you choose to post *at all*. My issue is the amount of cross-over, given how dreadful it is there. The two forums really shouldn't have anything to do with each other.

[CaDan]

Well, like I said, I consider the site as a whole to be quite nasty. I only post in the one thread ~E~.

The politics forums are as nasty as politics forums everywhere on the 'net are. General Religious Discussions contains a lot of nastiness, but you can occasionally find gems like seebs dealing with pretty simplistic atheists. Biblical Criticism and History has some very, very smart and knowledgeable people posting in it.

~E~ is where the off-topic junk ends up. ~E~ stands for ~Elsewhere~. I'm afraid I don't know why the tildes were added to it. Before my time.

[Rochir]

Erwin's being a member of IIDB is a shock, too.

I think you should tell him ... YES! YOU should tell ERWIN how to behave as a proper Christian, for it is so obvious HE doesn't know!:doh:

[CaDan]

*raises hand*

"Excuse me, Mr. Devil-Worshipping site moderator, is it true that IIDB mods get together every other Thursday to barbeque kitties and discuss plans for world domination?"

Seriously, I gotta go out now. Have fun, Moderator of All That is Unholy.:wave:

That's the Admins. Us lowly mods have to set up the donuts table and sweep up afterwards.

[Sothron]

Hi!

Your friendly neighborhood ~E~ mod popping in here!

It seems there are a lot of concerns and a lot of misunderstandings about the CF threads at IIDB. Rather than trying to go back over this thread and respond to everything, I'll just throw the floor open to questions, which I will answer to the best of my ability.

s/ rigorist
Moderator ~E~ & WE&GP.

I had never heard of either ~E~ or IIDB until this thread. How accurate are the accounts here of the anti-Christian nature of that site and board/thread? What is the purpose of both the site and the board/thread?

[Miss Shelby]

He has never posted in the Elsewhere thread or anywhere else on the forum.
yes he has. He has posted under the name bass guitar. And he's also registered as Erwin.

[Miss Shelby]

Hi!

Your friendly neighborhood ~E~ mod popping in here!

It seems there are a lot of concerns and a lot of misunderstandings about the CF threads at IIDB. Rather than trying to go back over this thread and respond to everything, I'll just throw the floor open to questions, which I will answer to the best of my ability.

s/ rigorist
Moderator ~E~ & WE&GP.
~E~ is the place where I go to call CF a poop hole.

[Debi1967]

CaDan

1) Is not Erwin a member over there ?
2) Has not ~E~ been used to gripe about CF by not only the membership that posts there (me included before I self banned) but also the Admins and mods?
3) Is there not a clipping service that was used against members over there over here when they posted here? IOWs posts from over there influenced how mods and Admins then dealt with members here?

[Rochir]

So you post on a known site ( remembering that I used to post there too but also remembering why I left) that advances things that are Counter to Christianity?

I think it's tme for a ... CRUCUFIXION!!!!

[GreenMunchkin]

I had never heard of either ~E~ or IIDB until this thread. How accurate are the accounts here of the anti-Christian nature of that site and board/thread? What is the purpose of both the site and the board/thread?www.iidb.org

Have a look. Best way to know.

[Rochir]

Because when I was there [at ~Elsewhere~].

Who were you at ~E~ and how long did you ppst tehre? I'd love to read some of what you posted there :)

[GraceInHim]

Seems the site's owner did not quite agree with you when he put up a huge post about Conservative Christians being the devil
Conservative Christians? I have seen them act much worse in hidden forums.. I did..

what I have learned from cf:
learn by mistakes.. no one is perfect and must try love others. there will be times of outrage, sadness, trying to get back at people whom think are hurting fellow members; stop and think before doing things without thinking first.. knowing I could be hurting someone real on the other end of this laptop.

If the Lord comes back today, to gather his flocks, will there be spotted ones along with white? I dunno.. only God can judge.. whom am I to anyway, could be one whom is spotted, for I am way far from perfect..

[Sothron]

www.iidb.org (http://www.iidb.org)

Have a look. Best way to know.

I will check it out at home but honestly if its this bad I am worried that my IT department here at work might say if they check the network. ;) But I will check it out at home.

I was hoping he could answer as I would like to know how he feels about his own house before I am asked to come over and inspect it just to see how similiar or dissimiliar our judgements are on it.

[CaDan]

I had never heard of either ~E~ or IIDB until this thread. How accurate are the accounts here of the anti-Christian nature of that site and board/thread? What is the purpose of both the site and the board/thread?

The site as a whole is devoted to, IIRC, metaphysical naturalism. That being said, they do not impose any restrictions on who may moderate various forums. For the most part, the users do not are about CF or even know about CF. There is one long-running thread where various CF exiles and others have posted about CF since about 2003.

[Debi1967]

CaDan

1) Is not Erwin a member over there ?
2) Has not ~E~ been used to gripe about CF by not only the membership that posts there (me included before I self banned) but also the Admins and mods?
3) Is there not a clipping service that was used against members over there over here when they posted here? IOWs posts from over there influenced how mods and Admins then dealt with members here?
Steve you said to ask I am asking for clarification

[CaDan]

I have to go meet with a client now, but I'll be back in a few hours.

[invisible trousers]

Wow. That ~e~ website is terrible! I can't believe that some "christians" have the gall to interact and mingle with people who don't share the same theological beliefs. :cry:

Hopefully the demon infestation at IIDB won't spread to CF via members who post in both forums :amen:

[Debi1967]

Wow. That ~e~ website is terrible! I can't believe that some "christians" have the gall to interact and mingle with people who don't share the same theological beliefs. :cry:

Hopefully the demon infestation at IIDB won't spread to CF via members who post in both forums :amen:
it already has

[Rochir]

It's not atheist so much as anti-theist, and vile. Threads pushing paedophilia and bestiality? Out and out blashemy?



It's called Freedom of Expression, something you do not have in many countries on this planet!

E.g. YOUR Christian views would be absolutely prohibited and called blasphemous in e.g. Saudi Arabia.

By your reasoning, that should be absolutely alright!

No?:scratch:

[Rochir]

... you all have a place where you feel that you can go and slight others behind peoples backs ...

The old, closed congregational fora were made like that! No doubt some wish they would return ... :(

[SapphireAngel7]

*speechless*
speechless??? I AM SO stunned.........OH my word..DEAR GOd, what is going on at THIS site?? DEAR Lord...

[CaDan]

Originally Posted by RaggedRobin
CaDan

1) Is not Erwin a member over there ?
2) Has not ~E~ been used to gripe about CF by not only the membership that posts there (me included before I self banned) but also the Admins and mods?
3) Is there not a clipping service that was used against members over there over here when they posted here? IOWs posts from over there influenced how mods and Admins then dealt with members here?
Steve you said to ask I am asking for clarification

Steve you said to ask I am asking for clarification

My client is late. ;)

1) We think so. There is an account named Erwin that signed up in November of 2004 and has made a total of eight posts. They were all made before the Admins did a big clean up and archive job in, I believe 2006.

2. Yup.

3. Yup.

[SapphireAngel7]

No misunderstanding
Ragged, are you POSITIVE about this?? If so, I am LEAVING and DUSTING my feet of this place..and I will ENCOURAGE every single person on my buddy list etc. to do the same.

[Debi1967]

My client is late. ;)

1) We think so. There is an account named Erwin that signed up in November of 2004 and has made a total of eight posts. They were all made before the Admins did a big clean up and archive job in, I believe 2006.

2. Yup.

3. Yup.
Thank you

[CyberPaladin]

I will check it out at home but honestly if its this bad I am worried that my IT department here at work might say if they check the network. ;) But I will check it out at home.

I was hoping he could answer as I would like to know how he feels about his own house before I am asked to come over and inspect it just to see how similiar or dissimiliar our judgements are on it.

It is very bad from what I have looked at Sothron. I'm appalled that the mods and some nominations for our new mods are active members there it just show how bad things are getting.

[Rochir]

Yep

Go to the relevant ones, look at thread titles. That's all it takes.



Ignorance is bliss!:wave:

[Debi1967]

Have CaDan and I now clarified what ~E~ has been successfully used for

[Rochir]

BTW before everyone jumps on CaDan he was the one who told me for my own spirituality and own well being to return to the Church and lay off of ~E~ because it was not doing me any good

So please don't jump on him too hard ....


Why NOT? You broad-brush throughout this thread, WHY stop with him? After all, bad bad Candan IS A MOD over at IIDB!

Don't tell me hehre are good devils, and then there are bad ones ... ooooh n00!s!!!:doh:

[SapphireAngel7]

My motives are for keeping this site Christian that is all
Think it is FAR to late for that...sigh...

[Rochir]

Well, like I said, I consider the site as a whole to be quite nasty.

From what I have seen being posted on CF (about those not molding into the conservative Christian, white USA view), THIS site is pretty nasty itself!:sick:

[Sothron]

Actually his definition is slightly but perhaps significantly different than yours: his take is that the site is a metaphysical site which would of course include religious topics and that particular thread does have some anti-CF feeling to it.

I will see for myself tonight if its this bad. Judging by the responses here I am going into it expecting NAMBLA quality filth so anything above that will be a bonus. I am of course hoping its not that bad.

[Debi1967]

Why NOT? You broad-brush throughout this thread, WHY stop with him? After all, bad bad Candan IS A MOD over at IIDB!

Don't tell me hehre are good devils, and then there are bad ones ... ooooh n00!s!!!:doh:
There are some there that actually do the work of the Lord there CaDan is one of them trust me or I would not have self banned myself unfortunately they are far and few inbetween.

[Mary_Magdalene]

yes he has. He has posted under the name bass guitar. And he's also registered as Erwin.

i agree with that. tis true!


anyway, a few things:

1. If you are in this thread and not a conservative Christian, kindly stay off the flaming. Thanks. :thumbsup:

2. Erwin can do whatever he wants. that is what God gave us 'free will' for. He alone will have to answer one day for his walk with Christ. It is none of anyone else's business.

3. God is not on CF anymore. The rules don't honor Him.
There is nothing biblical here. We can't FORCE erwin to walk the right way. Again, this is his decision and his responsiblity. YES! I am a sinner and make mistakes daily which I will have to answer to God for as well. That is why I need my Savior. The best thing for Christians on this site to do is pray for Erwin right now.

4. IIDB is a cesspool of blasphemy and disgrace. But, hey, it's ok. It is not claiming to be a Christian forum so who cares? But it would be nice in this new age of "openness" at CF that people who frequent that area would be upfront about it already.

5. If you ever see something at IIDB that is nasty from a CF staff member, be sure to save it to your computer as posts in the Elsewhere area tend to get edited frequently .

6. If you take a stand over here on CF regarding biblical principals and God's word you can rest assured that you will be known as someone who is "self rightous" and doesnt understand "sinners". THis is what the IIDBers never understood. Just cause you stand up for God's word doesnt mean you think of yourself as perfect and holy. It means you have the "kahoonas" to look at all your own imperfections and ALSO at God's biblical perfection in the eye. not everyone has that courage.

7. If your a bible believing Christian (its amazing that I have to word it that way-shouldn't those things go hand in hand?) it is admirable that you are still here fighting the good fight. But you know what? in the light of eternity, CF doesn't really mean much. God has already said what His response will be for those who preach a false Christ and who throw His sheep to the wolves. I was flipping through the channels last night and found The Gospel of John movie.. Remember when Jesus was speaking to His followers.....

John 21:15-19
15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.


Are you in love with Jesus?

As we can see from the last few months, we can't stop it. Does God even want us to? Is CF taking all your time from God? from God's word? from your family? from unsaved people IRL that need to hear the good news? Please get on your knees and pray that the Holy Spirit will show you where he wants you. Is that at CF? Is is not at CF? each one of us will receive a different answer. I was staying here for my pride-which God revealed to me and that is why I have not been posting here.

Praying for all those who are told to stay at CF. :prayer:

[Sothron]

Why NOT? You broad-brush throughout this thread, WHY stop with him? After all, bad bad Candan IS A MOD over at IIDB!

Don't tell me hehre are good devils, and then there are bad ones ... ooooh n00!s!!!:doh:

Some people may be non-Christian and be intelligent, mature and responisble posters. Some people may not. The inverse is also true about Christians.

[IBLuke226]

HI Y'all,
I got an invite to come over to see some of what is being posted, and I have been absent from CF for several weeks, I was invited to another forum, I did a quick visit and left, and have not visited the one this is addressing,
Now after reading a few of the posts in this thread I will make this comment, each of us needs to make our own commitment to the Lord, He will be the judge in the end anyhow of all we have done, either through forgivness by our excepting His word and Honoring that, or by the rejection of it and then receiving the punishment we are all suppose to get. I will not make a judgement on anyone because I know that in His standards I am guilty of all, that is why the Commandments are there anyway, to show that we all are unholy and need to be covered by His Grace, and that is the reason for the Blood atonement, once and for all , not as it was in the tabernacle being done every year by a goat and scapegoat, But by His Blood only are we Saved, any other teaching is not going to lead anywhere but to hell.
thanks for the time

[Mary_Magdalene]

From what I have seen being posted on CF (about those not molding into the conservative Christian, white USA view), THIS site is pretty nasty itself!:sick:

What is conservative Christian, white USA? You mean, people can't be conservative Christians and a race other than white?? yikes. :eek: that was pretty racist Rochier. Not a very inclusive attitude...:doh:

i will be sure to inform my daughter (who is not white)and friends (who are not white) that they can't be conservative Christians in the USA! :doh:

[SapphireAngel7]

i agree with that. tis true!


anyway, a few things:

1. If you are in this thread and not a conservative Christian, kindly stay off the flaming. Thanks. :thumbsup:

2. Erwin can do whatever he wants. that is what God gave us 'free will' for. He alone will have to answer one day for his walk with Christ. It is none of anyone else's business.

3. God is not on CF anymore. The rules don't honor Him.
There is nothing biblical here. We can't FORCE erwin to walk the right way. Again, this is his decision and his responsiblity. YES! I am a sinner and make mistakes daily which I will have to answer to God for as well. That is why I need my Savior. The best thing for Christians on this site to do is pray for Erwin right now.

4. IIDB is a cesspool of blasphemy and disgrace. But, hey, it's ok. It is not claiming to be a Christian forum so who cares? But it would be nice in this new age of "openness" at CF that people who frequent that area would be upfront about it already.

5. If you ever see something at IIDB that is nasty from a CF staff member, be sure to save it to your computer as posts in the Elsewhere area tend to get edited frequently .

6. If you take a stand over here on CF regarding biblical principals and God's word you can rest assured that you will be known as someone who is "self rightous" and doesnt understand "sinners". THis is what the IIDBers never understood. Just cause you stand up for God's word doesnt mean you think of yourself as perfect and holy. It means you have the "kahoonas" to look at all your own imperfections and ALSO at God's biblical perfection in the eye. not everyone has that courage.

7. If your a bible believing Christian (its amazing that I have to word it that way-shouldn't those things go hand in hand?) it is admirable that you are still here fighting the good fight. But you know what? in the light of eternity, CF doesn't really mean much. God has already said what His response will be for those who preach a false Christ and who throw His sheep to the wolves. I was flipping through the channels last night and found The Gospel of John movie.. Remember when Jesus was speaking to His followers.....

John 21:15-19
15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.


Are you in love with Jesus?

As we can see from the last few months, we can't stop it. Does God even want us to? Is CF taking all your time from God? from God's word? from your family? from unsaved people IRL that need to hear the good news? Please get on your knees and pray that the Holy Spirit will show you where he wants you. Is that at CF? Is is not at CF? each one of us will receive a different answer. I was staying here for my pride-which God revealed to me and that is why I have not been posting here.

Praying for all those who are told to stay at CF. :prayer:
AMEN! well said.

[Debi1967]

i agree with that. tis true!


anyway, a few things:

1. If you are in this thread and not a conservative Christian, kindly stay off the flaming. Thanks. :thumbsup:

2. Erwin can do whatever he wants. that is what God gave us 'free will' for. He alone will have to answer one day for his walk with Christ. It is none of anyone else's business.

3. God is not on CF anymore. The rules don't honor Him.
There is nothing biblical here. We can't FORCE erwin to walk the right way. Again, this is his decision and his responsiblity. YES! I am a sinner and make mistakes daily which I will have to answer to God for as well. That is why I need my Savior. The best thing for Christians on this site to do is pray for Erwin right now.

4. IIDB is a cesspool of blasphemy and disgrace. But, hey, it's ok. It is not claiming to be a Christian forum so who cares? But it would be nice in this new age of "openness" at CF that people who frequent that area would be upfront about it already.

5. If you ever see something at IIDB that is nasty from a CF staff member, be sure to save it to your computer as posts in the Elsewhere area tend to get edited frequently .

6. If you take a stand over here on CF regarding biblical principals and God's word you can rest assured that you will be known as someone who is "self rightous" and doesnt understand "sinners". THis is what the IIDBers never understood. Just cause you stand up for God's word doesnt mean you think of yourself as perfect and holy. It means you have the "kahoonas" to look at all your own imperfections and ALSO at God's biblical perfection in the eye. not everyone has that courage.

7. If your a bible believing Christian (its amazing that I have to word it that way-shouldn't those things go hand in hand?) it is admirable that you are still here fighting the good fight. But you know what? in the light of eternity, CF doesn't really mean much. God has already said what His response will be for those who preach a false Christ and who throw His sheep to the wolves. I was flipping through the channels last night and found The Gospel of John movie.. Remember when Jesus was speaking to His followers.....

John 21:15-19
15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My lambs." 16 He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." 17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.


Are you in love with Jesus?

As we can see from the last few months, we can't stop it. Does God even want us to? Is CF taking all your time from God? from God's word? from your family? from unsaved people IRL that need to hear the good news? Please get on your knees and pray that the Holy Spirit will show you where he wants you. Is that at CF? Is is not at CF? each one of us will receive a different answer. I was staying here for my pride-which God revealed to me and that is why I have not been posting here.

Praying for all those who are told to stay at CF. :prayer:
Go as God leads you

For a long time now I have stayed away from all this mess and on purpose because I was led away.... I was led in a different direction.

The other day though I had to really think about it and where God was leading me now and so I prayed. I was an activist and an apologist and I think I need to get back to my roots for God. I have stayed away from for it too long. May God help me in my journey once again.

[Miss Shelby]

4. IIDB is a cesspool of blasphemy and disgrace. But, hey, it's ok. It is not claiming to be a Christian forum so who cares? But it would be nice in this new age of "openness" at CF that people who frequent that area would be upfront about it already.

I post on IIDB frequently. :) Well semi frequently.

[Davidnic]

I guess for me if someone said: "Can you recommend a Christian message board?"

I would not honestly be able to say: "Christian Forums."

It's sad. It's simple. But it is not easy to face.

[Debi1967]

I guess for me if someone said: "Can you recommend a Christian message board?"

I would not honestly be able to say: "Christian Forums."

It's sad. It's simple. But it is not easy to face.
We do have mine to always revert back to but I would have to change the rules

[meh]

Just a thought--if I owned a website and there was another site where some people went to talk about me or my site, I'd sign up there lickety split with my name so nobody else could register with it and pretend to be me or something. I don't know why Erwin signed up there, but that's just a thought I had.

I read there. I don't post. I used to read the gossip. I also read there so if there was a problem on my team I didn't know about I could look into the situation and try to make things better if possible. I haven't read in awhile cause I just don't care anymore. But there are good people in the E thread just like there are good people here.

[Debi1967]

No more wiki insanity

all christians would be allowed

[Davidnic]

I guess for me if someone said: "Can you recommend a Christian message board?"

I would not honestly be able to say: "Christian Forums."

It's sad. It's simple. But it is not easy to face.

Some have felt that way for awhile.
Some feel it now.
Some think it is headed that way.
And some feel differently.

But really that is what I feel is wrong. If I could not recommend this site to a kid wanting to know about Christianity (within reason...like the debate areas are harsh and such..it is like that in any debate area)...then it is not what I signed up for.

And those that feel that way need to see if the Lord is calling them to stay and try to change that, or leave.

He will call some to do one thing and others to another in this case.

Do all with love and no ill will. No matter what we think is wrong here we must behave as is right with the Lord. Speak strongly...but without hate.

[stumpjumper]

Actually his definition is slightly but perhaps significantly different than yours: his take is that the site is a metaphysical site which would of course include religious topics and that particular thread does have some anti-CF feeling to it.

I will see for myself tonight if its this bad. Judging by the responses here I am going into it expecting NAMBLA quality filth so anything above that will be a bonus. I am of course hoping its not that bad.


I don't know how to find my way around, but I do know that many of our esteemed members are mods and members there, and I came across this (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/t172452) thread, completely by accident.

Boasting they've directly caused people to "deconvert"? I do actually want to know why someone who is a mod or member there would wish to be a mod or member here. Even at this forum we don't have a stickied list of people who have accepted the Lord... so why do they have one for people they've led *away*?

General Religious Discussions, the sub-forum RR has linked too (linky no worky BTW) is no different than General Apologetics here...

It's simply an apologetics forum and if you don't like apologetics and/or discussing your theism with non-theists then you would probably be best not entering into such discussions.

As an anecdote, I registered and started posting in GRD as a Christian before I ever registered at CF and have never "deconverted" from such discussions.

I actually did more questioning of my faith as a moderator in General Theology. The nastiness was generally much worse there than any thread at IIDB or even General Apologetics here.

[Mary_Magdalene]

Go as God leads you

For a long time now I have stayed away from all this mess and on purpose because I was led away.... I was led in a different direction.

The other day though I had to really think about it and where God was leading me now and so I prayed. I was an activist and an apologist and I think I need to get back to my roots for God. I have stayed away from for it too long. May God help me in my journey once again.

May God continue to bless you and your journey!! :hug: :hug:

[GraceInHim]

I actually did more questioning of my faith as a moderator in General Theology. The nastiness was generally much worse there than any thread at IIDB or even General Apologetics here.
very true

[Debi1967]

Hey are we allowed to advance outside websites or not anymore since we already linked to IIDB then I suggest you check mine out

I just changed the name and the rules

[stumpjumper]

In regards to IIDB, the site is owned by a board of directors IIRC.

They allow admins to run the site. Admins must be non-theists but moderators are allowed to be Christian or other religion in certain forums.

All in all, they probably couldn't care less about CF at the Admin and Director level and the only forum that has anything to do with CF is ~E~ which contains the CF refugee hideout thread which is composed mainly of disgruntled or concerned CF members.

IIDB did not make them that way, though, it was posting here in the past.

Maybe the new changes will make a difference or maybe they can make a new thread for you disgruntled conservative CF members :D

In the past, it was generally the moderates and liberals that had a bad experience here...

[sparklecat]

Many of the people who post in the CF thread at IIDB rarely go anywhere else on that forum. Myself included.

[stumpjumper]

Many of the people who post in the CF thread at IIDB rarely go anywhere else on that forum. Myself included.

Very true.

I like GRD, though, and no I'm not on the list of deconverts...

[kimber1]

wow, the drama and self superiority in this thread is astounding.. :D thanks for the entertainment :D

[Tonks]

IIDB has its own mini-CF complain thread...CF has its own mini IIDB complaint thread.

The mind boggles.

[Debi1967]

Originally Posted by RaggedRobin http://www3.christianforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=37007510#post37007510)
Originally Posted by RaggedRobin
CaDan

1) Is not Erwin a member over there ?
2) Has not ~E~ been used to gripe about CF by not only the membership that posts there (me included before I self banned) but also the Admins and mods?
3) Is there not a clipping service that was used against members over there over here when they posted here? IOWs posts from over there influenced how mods and Admins then dealt with members here?
Steve you said to ask I am asking for clarification
My client is late. ;)

1) We think so. There is an account named Erwin that signed up in November of 2004 and has made a total of eight posts. They were all made before the Admins did a big clean up and archive job in, I believe 2006.

2. Yup.

3. Yup.Take it up with CaDan now kimber ;):D

[Davidnic]

IIDB has its own mini-CF complain thread...CF has its own mini IIDB complaint thread.

The mind boggles.

Yeah. Thought that too.

That and that earlier there were over 20 people in this thread and all the wiki's had 9 combined.

Irony was just having a field day.

[Mary_Magdalene]

wow, the drama and self superiority in this thread is astounding.. :D thanks for the entertainment :D

thanks for confirming what i wrote in my post above. :P


See Christians! Stand for biblical principals and you are labeled "self superiority". lol....

[Debi1967]

You know what I find truly boggling they want the right to post on an anti Christian website as they see fit and what is more then use any information gathered there take it back here and then use it against us but when we have a fit about them posting there then that is just not right and we are infringing on them .....

How about in the first place if you want the two places to be kept separate then you shouldn't have been using any of our posts made there against us here in the first place but they did in th clipping service which many of the mods and admins took part in even the ones that were posting and complaining about CF because it was to their advantage to do so.

That is irony

[meh]

IIDB has its own mini-CF complain thread...CF has its own mini IIDB complaint thread.

The mind boggles.
I'm thinking of starting a thread to discuss this thread.


Ya know guys, say what you will and think what you will, but it occurs to me we're pretty much a family here and we ought to get used to it. I mean seriously. We follow each other all over the net talking about each other and then talk about the people talking about each other who then talk about us talking about them. And then we all end up back here fighting and carrying on and then sometimes a joke or a laugh will pop through.

We're dysfunctional, sure. But we obviously care, right? Otherwise we'd quit talking to or about each other?

[Debi1967]

I'm thinking of starting a thread to discuss this thread.


Ya know guys, say what you will and think what you will, but it occurs to me we're pretty much a family here and we ought to get used to it. I mean seriously. We follow each other all over the net talking about each other and then talk about the people talking about each other who then talk about us talking about them. And then we all end up back here fighting and carrying on and then sometimes a joke or a laugh will pop through.

We're dysfunctional, sure. But we obviously care, right? Otherwise we'd quit talking to or about each other?
What do we need further to discuss here in reality? Why this thread is here to begin with?

ETA- personally I think we need to stop gossiping about one another period and having outlets for it. It is not Christian which is one of the reasons I self banned myself to begin with from IIDB!

[Debi1967]

Exactly how many threads do we actually need to get to a point where we all realize that gossiping about one another is simply not Christian nor is it Biblical?????

2Co 12:20 I am afraid that when I get there I will find you different from what I would like you to be and you will find me different from what you would like me to be. I am afraid that I will find quarreling and jealousy, hot tempers and selfishness, insults and gossip, pride and disorder.

[meh]

What do we need further to discuss here in reality? Why this thread is here to begin with?

ETA- personally I think we need to stop gossiping about one another period and having outlets for it. It is not Christian which is one of the reasons I self banned myself to begin with from IIDB!
It was a joke. I'm very dry.

My point is why don't we quit.

never mind.

I'm done taking sides, that's all. I'm sick of it.

[rushingwind62]

IMO...there are those here who just want to to stir up crap and try to keep christians from uniting...That is understandable though because if we ever decided to stop this arguing and gossiping we would be a force to be reackoned with. As a matter of fact if we will lay down these works of flesh we would be unstoppable! But instead we chose to entertain the works of the flesh and entertain the thoughts of the enemy. In other words people, just let it go!!!

[Brimshack]

Edited at Moderator's Request

[Davidnic]

I think a thread like this. And others are bound to happen. Many people are frustrated with the new CF and the system for making the new rules and the general direction of the site.

You add to that the old and constant IIDB issue and you will have problems.

The last few weeks are so Animal Farmish that it is sad.

[tashiseisei]

Many of the people who post in the CF thread at IIDB rarely go anywhere else on that forum. Myself included.


Same here.

[Brimshack]

.....

[Debi1967]

You want to know what I see in reality ..... I see us so focused on some of the oddest things lately that we are truly losing focus on God and we are becoming more divided than we ever were before on this site :(

[Davidnic]

Frustration with the new system is understandable. It has plenty of snags as a system in its own right. What doesn't make sense is the outright hysteria connected with the reforms. No the forum has not instituted relativism. No it has not endorsed post-modernism. And no it has not in any way endorsed unbelief or non-Christian thinking. The only thing Erwin has done is changed the way that such judgements actually impact forum participation.

That change simply was not initiated by the crowd at IIDB.

Well I disagree with you on a bunch of your post. but I agree that I won't blame the IIDB boogeyman for everything. But no one can say just how much IIDB influenced Erwins decisions. Or any number of factors, for that matter.

My biggest problems at the moment are:

1. Pro-life issues
2. Relativism

But growing is that:

People who donate money still have a private forum but you can read the staff stuff so it is "transparent". I have a big problem with that.

[Brimshack]

Edited for consistency

[sparklecat]

It was a joke. I'm very dry.

My point is why don't we quit.

never mind.

I'm done taking sides, that's all. I'm sick of it.

I thought it was funny.

[SunMessenger]

Wiki + Wiki + Wiki = Wiki Magic



http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal.gif +http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal.gif +http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal.gif = http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/magic.gif
:swoon:

[porterross]

Wiki + Wiki + Wiki = Wiki Magic




http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal.gif +http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal.gif +http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal.gif = http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/magic.gif

:swoon:


:D That's excellent!

[Sothron]

I am looking here:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php

and I do not see a ~E~ forum?

[sparklecat]

I am looking here:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php

and I do not see a ~E~ forum?

It's only visible to logged in members.

[Debi1967]

I am looking here:

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/index.php

and I do not see a ~E~ forum?
You have to be a registered member in order to see that forum it is hidden from public view only registered members can see it

[Rep Daddy]

Hi!

Your friendly neighborhood ~E~ mod popping in here!

It seems there are a lot of concerns and a lot of misunderstandings about the CF threads at IIDB. Rather than trying to go back over this thread and respond to everything, I'll just throw the floor open to questions, which I will answer to the best of my ability.

s/ rigorist
Moderator ~E~ & WE&GP.

Can you give an exposition of this text?

Simply Un-Deconvertable

How can it be permissible?
He leaves us mega-miserable
The Calvinist thing is nonsensical
He's says we aren't biblical

He's a troll you'll report, he's a pestiferous wart
You're obliged to respond and there's no other choice
He used to look tame to me, but now I find him

Simply UnDeconvertable
Simply UnDeconvertable

His posting is irascible,
Yet simply unignorable
The trend is irreversible
That buzzard is unflappable

Hes a natural pest, and he gives us no rest
He's lost to our cause, we surrender because
He used to look lame to us, but now We find him

Simply UnDeconvertable
Simply UnDeconvertable

Simply UnDeconvertable hes so bad, there's no tellin where the lurkers went
Simply UnDeconvertable he makes us mad, this buzzard's got to go.


-- Ooooombuzzsman

[Sothron]

It's only visible to logged in members.

I logged in under a different username than this one and I still do not see it?

[sparklecat]

I logged in under a different username than this one and I still do not see it?

Hmm. Near the bottom, directly over the IIDB Feedback Forums subsection?

[invisible trousers]

You don't need an external conspiracy to explain the conflict on this board. When Erwin announced his changes, it wasn't the iidb crowd that spammed the forum with links to new sites. It wasn't the iidb crowd that began to rally with plans for keeping others our of their forums. It wasn't the iidb crowd that called others wolves or spiritual pedophiles. It wasn't the iidb crowd that outright lied about the meaning of Erwin's changes. And it certainly wasn't the iidb crowd that started mocking this site with signatures and avatars, etc. And it sure isn't the iidb crowd that objects to the mere presence of anyone else here or there, nor are we the ones whining over the lack of convenient categories for labelling people and shuffling them off into their respective categories.

If there is a major source of strife at CF right now, I would have to say that a number of conservative Christians bear responsibility for that strife. You have your concerns, fair enough, but the manner in which many of you have pressed the point is absolutely shameless. Many of you have made a conscious decision to oppose Erwin's reforms, and some to do so by using cheap shots and hyperbolic rhetoric. If that's your choice, then so be it, but take responsibility for that choice. You don't need an external enemy to explain the strife here, especially not when a good deal of it is the direct responsibility of your own choices here at CF.

If anyone glossed over what Brimshack said because he's an atheist, then hopefully you won't when a christian agrees.

[SunMessenger]

You don't need an external conspiracy to explain the conflict on this board. When Erwin announced his changes, it wasn't the iidb crowd that spammed the forum with links to new sites. It wasn't the iidb crowd that began to rally with plans for keeping others our of their forums. It wasn't the iidb crowd that called others wolves or spiritual pedophiles. It wasn't the iidb crowd that outright lied about the meaning of Erwin's changes. And it certainly wasn't the iidb crowd that started mocking this site with signatures and avatars, etc. And it sure isn't the iidb crowd that objects to the mere presence of anyone else here or there, nor are we the ones whining over the lack of convenient categories for labelling people and shuffling them off into their respective categories.

If there is a major source of strife at CF right now, I would have to say that a number of conservative Christians bear responsibility for that strife. You have your concerns, fair enough, but the manner in which many of you have pressed the point is absolutely shameless. Many of you have made a conscious decision to oppose Erwin's reforms, and some to do so by using cheap shots and hyperbolic rhetoric. If that's your choice, then so be it, but take responsibility for that choice. You don't need an external enemy to explain the strife here, especially not when a good deal of it is the direct responsibility of your own choices here at CF.

If anyone glossed over what Brimshack said because he's an atheist, then hopefully you won't when a christian agrees.
Perhaps the noise was so loud because the majority of the membership was shocked and unprepared for this type of change . Perhaps that was the biggest fault of all . The implementation was too drastic. Slower indoctrination may have achieved a better result...

Sun

[Debi1967]

Perhaps the noise was so loud because the majority of the membership was shocked and unprepared for this type of change . Perhaps that was the biggest fault of all . The implementation was too drastic. Slower indoctrination may have achieved a better result...

Sun
good point

[Debi1967]

I see a fair amount of Non-Conservatives that do not like the changes too, to put all the blame on CONSERVATIVE Christians is totally unfair

[CyberPaladin]

Perhaps the noise was so loud because the majority of the membership was shocked and unprepared for this type of change . Perhaps that was the biggest fault of all . The implementation was too drastic. Slower indoctrination may have achieved a better result...

Sun

Exactly right.

[Annabel Lee]

Have CaDan and I now clarified what ~E~ has been successfully used for

No

[Debi1967]

No
Sorry he gave clear and concise answers and he is a moderator there so then take it up with him if he agrees with me and not you

[SunMessenger]

I see a fair amount of Non-Conservatives that do not like the changes too, to put all the blame on CONSERVATIVE Christians is totally unfair
Blame does not fall on any member no matter what they may be labeled. The buck always stops at the point of origin. If there were mistakes in the plan or the implementation let the buck stop there. The members had no choice. The members reaction is only equal to the force that was set in motion and no more.

[rushingwind62]

Who's to blame? Who is to blame? That seems to be the question. I say, blame me. Blame me for not standing up to be the christian I ought to be. Blame me for not fighting for kingdom of Heaven. Blame me for not letting my voice be heard, for I whispered when I should have shouted. Blame me for not adhering to God's word. Blame me, for no one else will take the blame. Blame me, BLAME ME!

I see a christian website where everyone is wanting to blame someone else for the problems here at cf. Well there is no one else to take the blame, no one but ourselves. If every christian here at cf would let their voices be heard in the right places, we would make a difference!

[Debi1967]

Blame does not fall on any member no matter what they may be labeled. The buck always stops at the point of origin. If there were mistakes in the plan or the implementation let the buck stop there. The members had no choice. The members reaction is only equal to the force that was set in motion and no more.
I agree

[CaDan]

Can you give an exposition of this text?



-- Ooooombuzzsman

Don't mess with the Admins.

[Rep Daddy]

Don't mess with the Admins.

And pass that same advice on to rigorist as he visits CARM. :cool:

[invisible trousers]

Perhaps the noise was so loud because the majority of the membership was shocked and unprepared for this type of change . Perhaps that was the biggest fault of all . The implementation was too drastic. Slower indoctrination may have achieved a better result...

That in no way is an excuse or rationalization for how some conservatives have reacted to this.

I see a fair amount of Non-Conservatives that do not like the changes too, to put all the blame on CONSERVATIVE Christians is totally unfair

No, actually it's completely fair to state that some, if not many of the conservatives have acted in a rude and immature fashion in response to the new rules.

Which group of people accused Erwin of having false motives? Which group of people spammed CF with links to more "christ-centered" forums? What group of people called those we disagree with "wolves and spiritual pedophiles"? What group rallied together to make sure nobody not like them could join their special group in fear of infiltration and deconversion? (a fear of things which unsurprisingly never came to fruition) What group of people openly mocks the site in their signatures and avatars?

[Debi1967]

Umm oh friends of mine and the two peoples know who I am talking to can't we get along and place nicely together please

[SunMessenger]

Don't mess with the Admins.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/slap.gif

[Debi1967]

That in no way is an excuse or rationalization for how some conservatives have reacted to this.



No, actually it's completely fair to state that some, if not many of the conservatives have acted in a rude and immature fashion in response to the new rules.

Which group of people accused Erwin of having false motives? Which group of people spammed CF with links to more "christ-centered" forums? What group of people called those we disagree with "wolves and spiritual pedophiles"? What group rallied together to make sure nobody not like them could join their special group in fear of infiltration and deconversion? (a fear of things which unsurprisingly never came to fruition) What group of people openly mocks the site in their signatures and avatars?
Some Conservatives not all there have been some of us that have been trying to work within the wiki system thank you very much

[Debi1967]

Heck I Have Been Doing The Wiki System Here On This Site Since It's Inception......... I Am The Bloody Wiki Editrix Of The Wiki Project :mad:

[SunMessenger]

That in no way is an excuse or rationalization for how some conservatives have reacted to this.



No, actually it's completely fair to state that some, if not many of the conservatives have acted in a rude and immature fashion in response to the new rules.

Which group of people accused Erwin of having false motives? Which group of people spammed CF with links to more "christ-centered" forums? What group of people called those we disagree with "wolves and spiritual pedophiles"? What group rallied together to make sure nobody not like them could join their special group in fear of infiltration and deconversion? (a fear of things which unsurprisingly never came to fruition) What group of people openly mocks the site in their signatures and avatars?Some is not all and All is not some. Therefore it is perfectly fair to state that reactions are just that and no more. They are not war dances and battles just reflexes. Some well thought out and others not. The point being the members were railroaded into change and had no choice. I do not blame a single one for stating their opinion.

[SunMessenger]

Heck I Have Been Doing The Wiki System Here On This Site Since It's Inception......... I Am The Bloody Wiki Editrix Of The Wiki Project :mad:
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/images/smilies/tribal2.gif Sorry this reminds me of wiki for some reason . I could not resist. :) ;)