Charismatic Icon

[he4rty]

Just a thought but when you hover the mouse over a faith icon it displays the Denomination name or belief, so if we do go for the new icon any suggestions on the wording it comes up with.

I.e

Charismatic

or

Spirit filled

or

something else.

[Simon Peter]

I would just use "Charismatic".

[JAS4Yeshua]

I would just use "Charismatic".
I agree.

[geetrue]

How about a cross inside of a heart ... for a charismatic icon.

The cross stands for Jesus and our heart's for Jesus get it ... :thumbsup:

Now for the colors, uh?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charisma

Charisma
The word charisma (from the Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) word χάρισμα (kharisma), "gift" or "divine favor," from kharizesthai, "to favor," from kharis, "favor": see also charism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charism)) refers to a rare trait found in certain human personalities usually including extreme charm and a 'magnetic' quality of personality and/or appearance along with innate and powerfully sophisticated personal communicability and persuasiveness. Though very difficult or even impossible to define accurately (due to a lack of widely accepted criteria in regard to the trait), charisma is often used to describe an (elusive, even undefinable) personality trait that often includes the seemingly 'supernatural' or uncanny ability to lead, charm, persuade, inspire, and/or influence people. It refers especially to a quality in certain people who easily draw the attention and admiration (or even hatred if the charisma is negative) of others due to a 'magnetic' quality of personality and/or appearance. Similar terms/phrases related to charisma include: grace (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grace), exuberance, equanimity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equanimity), mystique (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystique), positive energy, joie de vivre, extreme charm, personal magnetism, personal appeal, "electricity," and allure (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allure), among many others (http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=charisma). Usually many of these specific qualities must be present within a single individual for the person to be considered highly charismatic by the public and their peers.
Despite the strong emotions they so often induce in others, charismatic individuals generally project unusual calmness, confidence, assertiveness, dominance, authenticity, and focus, and almost always possess superb communication and/or oratorical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oratory) skills. Although the etymology of the word ("divine gift") might suggest that charisma can't be acquired, and despite the persistent inability to accurately define or even fully understand the concept, it is believed that charisma can be taught and/or learned. Others disagree with this assertion and maintain that it is an inborn trait and that it cannot be learned, taught, or 'gained.'

They left out the Holy Spirit reasoning, uh?

[Zacharias]

What about this: http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=90171

Baptism of water and of the Holy Ghost! And it's within the gif size limits. :)

[JAS4Yeshua]

What about this: http://www1.christianforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=90171

Baptism of water and of the Holy Ghost! And it's within the gif size limits. :)
Nice. :)

[talitha]

He4rty, I like "Charismatic"

[TasManOfGod]

Any use of the word "charismatic" would have to include all "Charismatics of which WoF and AoG and other pentecostals are included -I hope you realize this

[Zacharias]

Any use of the word "charismatic" would have to include all "Charismatics of which WoF and AoG and other pentecostals are included -I hope you realize this

We could call it "Charismatic - non-WoF, non-AoG, et." ;) :holy:

[robbymac]

How about "Fred"?

It would be a kind of inside joke... maybe?:scratch:

[talitha]

How about "Fred"?

It would be a kind of inside joke... maybe?:scratch:
bbbwwwwwhhhhahhahahhhaaaaaa!!!^_^

That reminds me - we do a song at my church that has the line "this is that - spoken by the prophet Joel" in it..... well, there was a typo on the singers' sheet, and it says, "....spoken by the prophet Joe" - so once in a while we joke about the prophet Joe saying this or that..........

:sorry: maybe you had to be there...... carry on, folks.....

[JAS4Yeshua]

Any use of the word "charismatic" would have to include all "Charismatics of which WoF and AoG and other pentecostals are included -I hope you realize this
This is for the icon, not for the forum itself. I think just Charismatic would be best. WoF wouldn't use it because they have their own icon. Pentecostals wouldn't use it because they have their own icon. This would function in much the same way as the "Protestant" or "Christian" icon would function. ;)

[TasManOfGod]

My point is that any icon which carried the title "chrarismatic" should not be only available by a forum which doesn't believe as most charismatics do. It would be like a breakaway group from catholicism claiming that they had the exclusive right to the title "catholic" and the Vatican could not claim use of it

[LeadWorship]

a forum which doesn't believe as most charismatics do.

How so?

[SirTimothy]

My point is that any icon which carried the title "chrarismatic" should not be only available by a forum which doesn't believe as most charismatics do. It would be like a breakaway group from catholicism claiming that they had the exclusive right to the title "catholic" and the Vatican could not claim use of it
I'm afraid to say that I think you'll find Charismatic belief in the mainstream. Really we should be upset that WoF claim to be Charismatic, not the other way around, as it's both scripturally and theologically deviant from true Charismaticism.

Tim

[zaksmummy]

Just "charismatic" sounds OK to me and I like the symbol.

[JoyToTheWhirled]

Unaware of the politics, as I'm new, but charismatic seems the best fit. I guess what I mean to say is - I don't define myself by what I'm not, so saying 'not-WoF' seems a bit redundant, like saying 'English-not Londoner' or something. Surely the very point of having a different sub-forum indicates a difference, and all the other forums don't have to indicate what they're not about?

*Hopelessly naive emoticon*

[SirTimothy]

Unaware of the politics, as I'm new, but charismatic seems the best fit. I guess what I mean to say is - I don't define myself by what I'm not, so saying 'not-WoF' seems a bit redundant, like saying 'English-not Londoner' or something. Surely the very point of having a different sub-forum indicates a difference, and all the other forums don't have to indicate what they're not about?


No. It's more like telling an American who can't differentiate between our accents: "English--Not Australian."

[JAS4Yeshua]

I like syngers explanation the best. Since I don't remember where she posted it, I'll try to post it from memory.

You have baskets of fruit. One basket is for the apples. One basket is for the oranges. The last basket is not for apples or oranges, but for all the rest.

I know I messed it up, but I hope it gets the point across. We use non-WoF to show that we're the "rest" of the Charismatics.

[JoyToTheWhirled]

oh right, I get the fruit analogy, makes sense.

[geetrue]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charisma

Charisma
The word charisma (from the Greek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language) word χάρισμα (kharisma), "gift" or "divine favor," from kharizesthai, "to favor," from kharis, "favor": see also charism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charism)) refers to a rare trait found in certain human personalities usually including extreme charm and a 'magnetic' quality of personality and/or appearance along with innate and powerfully sophisticated personal communicability and persuasiveness. Though very difficult or even impossible to define accurately

Others disagree with this assertion and maintain that it is an inborn trait and that it cannot be learned, taught, or 'gained.'



;) :tutu: :help:

[SirTimothy]

;) :tutu: :help:
Why are you linking that? The english word Charisma has nothing to do with the word Charismatic, which comes from the same greek word, but means something different.

[geetrue]

Why are you linking that? The english word Charisma has nothing to do with the word Charismatic, which comes from the same greek word, but means something different.


Sorry :blush: I didn't know that ... I thought it had something to do with the heart ... Guess I'll back on out of here ;)

[Tamara224]

Sorry :blush: I didn't know that ... I thought it had something to do with the heart ... Guess I'll back on out of here ;)


Don't worry about it Geetrue.


FYI: the word Charismatic comes from the Greek root word "charis" which means grace.

The meaning of 'charis' from Studylight.org:


grace

that which affords joy, pleasure, delight, sweetness, charm, loveliness: grace of speech
good will, loving-kindness, favour

of the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues
what is due to grace
the spiritual condition of one governed by the power of divine grace
the token or proof of grace, benefit
a gift of grace
benefit, bounty
thanks, (for benefits, services, favours), recompense, reward
I believe that it is definition number 5 which has caused us to call the Gifts "charisms" and call those who use the gifts "Charismatic".

[he4rty]

I Interrupt this thread just to make you all aware I have opoened another thread for the purpose of posting

proposed-charismatic-icons (http://www.christianforums.com/t5757394-proposed-charismatic-icons.html)

As for the Original question I think Charismatic would be fine, because if you are leaning toward WOF/PENTECOSTAL doctrine then you would most probably choose that Icon.

[TasManOfGod]

I'm afraid to say that I think you'll find Charismatic belief in the mainstream. Really we should be upset that WoF claim to be Charismatic, not the other way around, as it's both scripturally and theologically deviant from true Charismaticism.

Tim
I am sure you will find that Kenneth Hagin since the 30's by whose contribution of equipping the saints world wide for the work of the ministry (ie the formal training pastors of spirit filled assemblies) would be appalled that they might be "outside" of the description of being "Charismatic"

[talitha]

I am sure you will find that Kenneth Hagin since the 30's by whose contribution of equipping the saints world wide for the work of the ministry (ie the formal training pastors of spirit filled assemblies) would be appalled that they might be "outside" of the description of being "Charismatic"
agreed.

[geetrue]

I am sure you will find that Kenneth Hagin since the 30's by whose contribution of equipping the saints world wide for the work of the ministry (ie the formal training pastors of spirit filled assemblies) would be appalled that they might be "outside" of the description of being "Charismatic"

Especially if he was still alive ... http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/smilies/rotfl.gif

But I agree he would be ...

[SirTimothy]

I am sure you will find that Kenneth Hagin since the 30's by whose contribution of equipping the saints world wide for the work of the ministry (ie the formal training pastors of spirit filled assemblies) would be appalled that they might be "outside" of the description of being "Charismatic"
Then again, perhaps the fact that most traditional charismatics consider his teaching heresy and abusing the very Word of God might come as a surprise to him too. Most people are appalled when their teaching is called heresy, even when it's true.

Tim

[Tamara224]

It is only the non believers who call Kenneth Hagin teaching heresy
Jesus said "signs and wonders will follow those who believe" Now signs and wonders have followed Kenneth Hagin . I have not seen any signs and wonders following the heresy hunters


TasMan... Get out.

Go to the WoF sub-forum. We started this forum because we don't want to debate with WoF people about this stuff. We're sick of it.

Seriously, this kind of stuff is not welcome here. We're sick of being called non-Christian because we think WoF is heretical.

[NewSong]

Sorry :blush: I didn't know that ... I thought it had something to do with the heart ... Guess I'll back on out of here ;)
My teacher said it did too! :)